"The Toll Roads" published statistics should include statement of how many obviously errant motorists entered the system. A way of realizing an errant entry is by recognizing motorists who twice pass a single toll plaza in opposite directions within the time reasonably required to reverse directions utilizing the first available road exit/entry pair. ... Such detectable errant entry is not forgiven, the toll operator demands payment.

Why wouldn't you rewild the area and allow native species to return. like bison, up to and including a full natural ecosystem and not promoting beef fHARMing?

@mevans2005

2 жыл бұрын

Bison are hard to manage on 23 acres next to a biker bar and suburbia. Do you own bison?

@emrservice

2 жыл бұрын

@@mevans2005 If it's such a small patch of land, it's not really much of an experiment in the first place. Instead, it's an animal exploiter's wet dream. Just deflection that doesn't address the global concerns animal agriculture presents. Oxford University concluded that we would use 75% *less* agricultural land. Even taking into consideration the animal "industry's" biased estimates of 50-60% (agri land considered not arable) that still leaves 15-20% of current cropland free to rewild, regenerate..... More if we get creative with growing plants, perhaps indoors in former animal buildings.

@mevans2005

2 жыл бұрын

@@emrservice OK, I hear your point of view. However, what about wildfire mitigation? It is much cheaper to have livestock (whether it's cattle, goats, sheep, horses, whatever) clear invasive nonnative plants like 12 ft high black mustard than it is to either mechanically remove the plants with a lawnmower/weed wacker (plus the diesel/gasoline needed) or the other option most nature preserves in this area have used historically was to pour herbicides on invasive plants. Also, this specific plot of land has never been and never will be cropland. Rewilding is great. They tried it on this property. All that happened is a lack of animal and plant biodiversity and the vernal pools dried up (habitat for the endangered fairy shrimp). What are your ideas to deal with the wildfire risk, lack of plant and animal biodiversity, and fire fuel load? I'm specifically talking about Southern California, not any other place in the world. I'm all for rewilding. But not sure it would work next to a biker bar, two churches/monasteries, and suburbia. Interested to hear your opinion.

@emrservice

2 жыл бұрын

@@mevans2005 Why are you insisting that this land must be used for something? If it burns it burns. FIres are natural and part of the natural ebs and flows. the only reason they are problematic is because of buildings nearby. So what then? Pave over it to be certain? This is not about anything more than profiting form an unprofitable bit of land. A fake set up to make it look like cattle fHARMing is somehow going to save the world. By mass, only 4% of all land animals are wild. 36% human... 60% are "livestock". It's completely absurd to keep making up excuses for doing the same old thing and pretending that it works. We have destroyed the planet. You're simply advocating for more of the same.