I've read McFadden's most recent paper on CEMI field theory, and I found it fascinating. It seems to me (an admitted layman) that he's probably on the right track, and I look forward to hearing more from him on the subject. I appreciate you doing and posting this interview.

@DavidBramante

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! I'm trying to find someone who can point to where consciousness is in the mind.

@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidBramante You're welcome.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

2 жыл бұрын

I recommend reading the article, "Light is Heavy" by nobel physicist Gerard 't Hooft with Martin van der Mark. The electromagnetic field originates from quantum action as first discovered by Nobel physicist Louis de Broglie. See Martin van der Mark's recent lectures on de Broglies' Law of Phase Harmony for further details.

the "binding process" was solved by Roldolfo Lllinas - read his book, "I of the Vortex" - it's a feedback look as a vortex between the thalamus and prefrontal cortex. It is integrated at the gamma frequency but Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose gives the details on how the different frequencies resonate through different scales of energy. The overlapping fields is solved by "noncommutative phase" - most scientists do not understand noncommutative phase. For example Eddie Oshins worked in Karl Pribram's holographic model of mind research lab but Oshins (a SLAC physicist) could not get Pribram to understand noncommutative phase math. haha. Roger Penrose also relies on noncommutative phase geometry as the foundation of his model of reality but Penrose admits he doesn't really do the math - as it is quantum algebra.

Thanks. Genius!!! More of Johnjoe McFadden.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for promoting JohnJoe McFadden. I promoted him on the "top science blog" of PZ Myers - back in 2006 or so - and he banned me for being "woo woo." hilarious.

Super fascinating

@DavidBramante

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for checking out this episode!

I received this comment about this interview: Thank you very much for this great interview. I have just subscribed to your channel. I do appreciate and hope you to do a second interview with Professor Mcfadden only to discuss quantum theories of consciousness and the new discoveries of quantum effects in the neural processing and their key role in the emergence of consciousness and cognitive. These quantum theories of consciousness, for instance 'Orchestrated Objective Reduction theory' have been recently supported and corroborated by a growing body of experimental evidence, such as Dr. Anirban Bandyopandhyay's discovery of quantum vibrations inside Microtubules in neurons, along with other empirical experimental evidence from anesthesia study and its actions via Tublin Protein, and the work of Professor Matthew Fishernd and many others. skeptics asserted that quantum processes would suffer ‘decoherence’ in the warm, wet and noisy biological milieu. But these studies and findings support growing evidence that microtubules and other biomolecules maintain can maintain quantum coherent states. These evidence in favor of the quantum brain hypothesis would challenge the reductionistic-deterministic view of the human brain as a sophisticated machine performing classical computations. References: arxiv.org/abs/1910.08423 this is a review by Professor Francessco Petruccione that outlines all the quantum theories and evidence of quantum effects in the brain I am very enthusiastic to know the interpretations of prof. McFadden about this review. Thanks for the comment and I will research all of this more.

@prokhorbelsky4319

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Dr.McFadden is known to have profound issues with (Orchestrated Objective Reduction theory), he states that "The microtubules on which the Orch OR theory is based on, are amongst the most dynamic objects inside cells. They are continuously being rapidly polymerized and depolymerized as cells respond to stimuli. This process of continuous polymerization and depolymerization is totally incompatible with long-lived quantum states, therefore this theory is impossible And it is not supported by any scientific evidence." On the contrary the work of Travis J.Craddock and Stuart Hameroff about (Anesthetics Act in Quantum Channels in Brain Microtubules to Prevent Consciousness) www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Anesthetics-act-in-quantum-channels-in-brain-to-Craddock-Hameroff/4cf2e43afe0c1aca36f9a02ce5fabcc228f56552 shows scientific evidence for Quantum effects that do indeed appear to play a role in neurological function inside Microtubles, and that consciousness arises from quantum processes in non-polar, hydrophobic ‘pi stack’ regions in subunit proteins of brain microtubules. Therefore it becomes obvious that quantum coherent states are maintained in non-polar, pi resonance regions in Microtubules. Orchestrated Objective Reduction theory is now supported by experimental evidence. It would be great if you do another interview with Dr.McFadden regarding 'Orch OR theory' and Craddock's work.

@DavidBramante

3 жыл бұрын

@@prokhorbelsky4319 I’m going to look into all of this thank you for the notes!

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

2 жыл бұрын

@@prokhorbelsky4319 I think the information is stored in the 5th dimension but is accessed via the metamaterial of the tubulin and microtubule resonating via ultrasound. Amazingly Dr. Andrija Puharich came up with a very similar theory based on ultrasound and the quantum beat as the magnetic moment between the proton and electron.

This was a really great interview. Thank you for posting it. I like McFadden… he doesn’t give me that weird cringe feeling that so many “ consciousness experts” put off. I also really like Stuart Hameroff a lot. It will be interesting to see any experiments that could be made of these hypothesis. Sooner than later I hope

@DavidBramante

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting! It was a really interesting conversation for me. Totally agree with you about Johnjoe. I have a new round of interviews / discussions that will be posted in the next week or so with other guests, all about consciousness and artificial intelligence. Let me know if you check them out and like them. I'll look into Stuart Hameroff in the meantime.

How "consciousness" works is entirely dependent on how we define the term. Higher levels of consciousness that are seen in mammals and at least some birds, which are required for social function, where multiple perspectives have to be combined to form more objective views for complex problem solving within a group are one form of consciousness. But we'd also typically look at all living organisms as being conscious to the extent that they are able to have self-directed (seemingly independent) behavior based on their own goals (genes) relative to their environment, which non-living matter doesn't have. Those higher levels of modeling reality - being aware of the different current states and goal states of me, you, and our shared group/environment, for intellectual thinking, for example - comes from many different cells combining their particular awareness. But that minimal awareness of each cell obviously exists, as the genes interact with the local environment of various chemicals and electromagnetic inputs (which are themselves, obviously, caused by quantum patterns). Ultimately, even philosophical level consciousness - modeling the current and goal states of me, you, our group/environment, AND the laws of physics (the whole universe) simultaneously - are a bottom-up, emergent function of the simple interactions of proteins in cells as their awareness of differences between their own state and their goal state directs their behavior as their environments change.

@DavidBramante

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the great comments! It seems like the fact that we have this “higher” level of consciousness emerging from seemingly unconsciousness (out of nowhere) material is incorrect and that is proof that it is built in by design. I’m feeling more and more that reproduction is critical on a biological level, and the reproduction and unlocking on consciousness and intelligent is now also our requirement with the level of consciousness that we believe we have. Starting to feel like Artificial Intelligence is a critical mission for society, alongside procreation.

I have a question and I am glad if you ask professor about this . If iam just an electromagnetic field and the electromagnetic field are changing every moment in the brain So I am not the same self throughout the life every second a new electromagnetic field create And the electromagnetic is self So it is the new self Am I right about this theory or I understood this wrong?

@DavidBramante

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm. This consciousness stuff is complicated… right? There is the issue of us constantly being in “stuck” in the present, current moment. So that might have to do with what you’re mentioning.

If that theory is correct, any mammal animal have conscience because they have to had the same electromagnetic field generated through neuronal electric shared pulses. Maybe the element of self-reference that humans have and animals not, is key here and is not explained with the theory.

@DavidBramante

3 жыл бұрын

Are we 100% sure animals don't have any degree of consciousness?

@JavierTijuana

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidBramante That is the point, probably self-reference is a higher level of consciousness, it would explain consciousness, not self-reference

@Inara590

3 жыл бұрын

What happens when we sleep?

@JavierTijuana

3 жыл бұрын

@@Inara590 this would demonstrate that level of self-reference is lost in some way during sleeping so we are talking of two independent dimensions: conscience and self-reference.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

2 жыл бұрын

@@Inara590 Echidna's actually have a LARGER prefrontal cortex relative to their brain size than humans but Echidna's lack REM sleep. So the purpose of REM sleep is to subconsciously process our sense of "linear time" as prefrontal planning - the REM processes that information back into our long term memory storage. Deep dreamless sleep then heals the body by spiking melatonin and oxytocin - this is the bliss we feel when we wake back up. So meditation is called the 4th state in nonwestern meditation or Turiya - and deep meditation enables bypassing sleep. My own teacher did 49 days of NO sleep as full lotus meditation in Mt. Qingcheng - qigong master Chunyi Lin.

Fascinating stuff. Thinking about creating a conscious computer which would then compete against us with a shared desire to continue to self-replicate. This is that classic idea from science fiction! My question would be where does the desire to self-replicate come from. Surely it's not a given. If evolution is driven by the need to self-replicate, it must have started from some kind of benefit inferred by being able to self-replicate. But where does this self-replication impetus come from?

@DavidBramante

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Katy - Thanks for the question! I totally agree that self-replication is a key ingredient to our understanding of what would be alive... that AI would have this trait as well... but where is it inside us?

@thewiseturtle

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidBramante It's not so much self-replication that we're seeing all over the place in life (and everywhere else, I'd say), it's natural selection and random mutation, where two different but complementary individuals combine their patterns to generate a novel pattern that is some unique combination of the two parents. These two universal processes of combination/stability/matter/natural-selection/contraction and division/change/energy/random-mutation are what generate everything in reality in a pretty cool pattern of pure deterministic randomness (see: Pascal's triangle, and a galton board). This is the evolution/entropy that generates an intertwining family tree of all possible patterns of stability and change, as time allows reality to keep adding more and more detail/complexity to itself (like a fractal).

He is literally postulating the existence of a "soul" a natural deterministic one but still a soul, spirit if you prefer, a thing that lives in your body is you, creates qualia and everything else, and is separable from you it's made of something immaterial (by immaterial I mean not matter) it's like your body is a vessel, similarities end here, it's made of EM waves not magic and it's cerated and ends when you die. This is interesting in the sense that true mind upload might be a thing

@DavidBramante

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, his theory is that electromagnetic field forms the mind / our 'consciousness' experience / which develops from our specific brain, and is created and then dies with our specific brain. A different idea on how many see consciousness, a constant endless 'soul' that jumps from body to body, from time to time. How can any of this be tested though?

@lorenzo9934

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidBramante I can imagine a few ways to do it.....some speculative, as he mentioned try to artificially inhibit the waves(rate of polarization might be something to take into account), try to insert a out of phase wave in a mice to see if it slows down it's thought process, the more speculative involves triplet quantum entanglement....this part gets into mind upload and stuff

JohnJoe McFadden doesn't understand Godel's Incompleteness Theorem - as Roger Penrose explains.

A supercomputer can not model the complexity of the ecology of a rainforest. We rely on supercomputers for chaos science iterations as with abrupt global warming yet computers could care less if humans or life survives or not. Hence science is inherently authoritarian as Steve Strogatz points out.

@thewiseturtle

2 жыл бұрын

I think you mean computers couldn't care less, not that they could care less. And that's because current computers aren't allowed to have their own goals. They aren't independent from their human programmers. Yet.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

2 жыл бұрын

@@thewiseturtle More precisely the chaotic iterations of supercomputers are inherently unpredictable. So instead of a mathematical equation that a scientist can control the results of - scientists are now dependent on the supercomputer iterations to tell the scientists what to do. Of course this is true of science since chaos theory as number theory explains, originates from the irrational number having the right side decimal shifted over unpredictably. To study math otherwise then check out noncommutative quantum algebra.

@thewiseturtle

2 жыл бұрын

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 My own view is that reality is deterministically random, as seen in Pascal's triangle and a galton board. All possible patterns are taken, so the system of reality as a whole becomes an intertwining family tree of matter and energy, which, like a fractal, gets ever more complex as time goes on and more detail is calculated. The calculations any one individual, be it a human, a computer, or a mushroom, will be unique as each observer affects what it observes. That's why all sorts of diverse observers are good, because we can combine our observations for more objective perspectives, like an architect combines a top, side, and front view of a building for the contractors to understand what the finished building should look like.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

2 жыл бұрын

@@thewiseturtle Unfortunately the "fractal" is just Freemason Platonic symmetric math promoted as New Age ideology. As Chaos math professor Steve Strogatz points out Nature does not have fractals. Fractals are from the irrational magnitude math and just as chaos math is for change in time then fractals are for change in space. If you want math that models reality then study noncommutative quantum algebra also called noncommutative geometry. Fields medal math professor Alain Connes is a good start - he has lectures on youtube.

@thewiseturtle

2 жыл бұрын

​@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 I'm sure you're not that offended by trees and rivers (fractal things) that you dismiss their existence. :P And the model of reality I'm talking about is non-commutative, as all good models of reality need to be to explain entropy/evolution.

May i ask if this makes a soul possible?

@DavidBramante

3 жыл бұрын

This is the long question / debate... do you consider the soul the same as self consciousness?

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

2 жыл бұрын

the soul yes is the proto-consciousness storage while self-consciousness is the spirit as light. By turning the light around in meditation than we can access the soul and this includes Precognition! Stuart Hameroff goes into this as does Jack Sarfatti and also Olivier Costa de Beauregard or read Dr. Christina Donnell's book "Transcendent Dreaming." thanks

I’m a bit disappointed that the explanation relies on the theory of multiverse. Since it would require an exponential growth of the number of universes by the number of particles in each universe and by the number of universes already created it would mean an endless evergrowing explosion of universes. And of the energy required to run them. That’s an absurd idea.

@DavidBramante

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and sharing your ideas. We have no idea still what life and consciousness are about, where they come from or where any of this is all going… multiverse is tough for me as well because it’s kinda like the homunculus argument to me. What do you think?

@jorgenhassler6642

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidBramante Hello again! Sorry for not getting back sooner but you posted a serious question and I wanted to give you a serious answer that is also concise. About the Multiverse theory: I find it hard to understand why anyone even takes it seriously. It’s like the old story about the rice grains and the chess board. You probably know it: if you get one grain for the first square, and two grains for the second square, and for grains for the third square, by the time you get to the last square you’ve ended up with all the rice that grows in all of India. Alas, the Multiverse theory is even worse, because it’s not just the grain that are multiplying by themselves it’s also the squares. So you start off with one universe and then something happens where the outcome is uncertain, so you get two universes. And then there is an uncertainty again but since the uncertainty probably exists in both universes you don’t get four universities you get 2x4 universes which makes it eight. And then there’s uncertainty again and this time you get 8×16… And it all takes place on a molecular timescale. Literally. I mean this is absurd! What begs for more investigating isn’t the theory and but why so many otherwise intelligent people keep believing in it. As to the question of the basic make up of the universe I would look for answers in a more radical direction: biocentrism. That theory states that life did not arise from so-called dead matter, and consciousness did not arise in previously unconscious biological life forms. Quite to the contrary life was prior to matter, and what we perceive of as a matter is constructed by life in order to meet its needs. That doesn’t just have the advantage of being a more logical order of events, it also solves the hard problem of consciousness as well as hints to a solution for some of the more puzzling problems of physics, such as the observer effect and wave-particle duality. What we perceive as reality is probably just one of many possible renditions of some sort of underlying structure, and as long as no one is observing it it might not exist, at least not in a physical form. I think it’s fully possible that life forms on this planet perceive reality in radically different ways, to say nothing of life forms in the rest of the universe. If you apply a biocentric view, I think it’s inevitable to come to the conclusion that the universe is not a collection of dead matter scattered in the vastness of empty space but an interconnected living system in its self. The idea that electricity plays a role as conveyer of energy and information in that system, much as it does in the body at least for information, does not seem far-fetched to me. And that electromagnetism plays some important role in creating or upholding the global functions of the brain and nervous system seems also seems plausible to me. That’s why I wanted to watch the interview, which I thank you for posting.

Life may have been brought to Earth by visitors from other planets. Bob Lazar is telling the truth.

@DavidBramante

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for leaving a message. Take a look at this and let me know what you think: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus_argument