But why should any of this information processing, unified or otherwise, be accompanied by subjective experience? You can clearly build machines that solve H5W etc. but do they “feel/taste/etc.”? CS oriented discussions always miss this point! Unified scenes don’t need to be _experienced_ in order to be processed.

It is defined in the talk and in this paper: Distributed Adaptive Control: A theory of the Mind, Brain, Body Nexus that I published in 2012 with a follow up in the 2012 ASSC conference. Essentially it says that in order to act (how) the brain must solve 5 questions: why, what, where, when, why. Hence H5W

Interesting talk. What a shame that it was filmed so poorly, just focussing on the man and not showing the images he is pointing at. The notion that our consiousness is a continuous loop of see, interpret, intent and act seems not new or surprising. I will look up the articles to get a better understanding of what Verschure adds to that.

That high pitch noise is driving me and my cat crazy.

I obviously do not doubt Libets conclusions, they are very clear, very precise and conclusive... there is no free will in the common understanding of the concept. If someone else can predict with accuracy in advance the thoughts and actions of an agent using a map of that persons brain function then that agents free will is illusory... However this leaves an unanswered question... modern computer games rely on very fast actions... often time many times less that 500ms.... some actions must be pre planned and rely on taking an action so fast that the user could not possibly be responding within that time frame. Also actions specifically in strategy computer games result in a response from the game that is non linear... in other words the game does no behave in a straight line...of thought... its responds to actions of the user... just like the real world. So in such a game if I plan n attack an initiate it, and during such an attack I must respond to defenses, and those defenses are occurring every 50ms ... then I must respond more or less in real time... Are computer gamers psychic? lol... or are they the only folks with free will?

@bh8104

7 жыл бұрын

Those can be done unconsciously, assuming a certain level of game play has been learnt. From input to processing to output, there's no need for conscious control, just concentration. That is also why some pro gamers esp Asian train by playing countless hours in an attempt to codify as many kinds of responses into their procedural memory.

@mickelodiansurname9578

7 жыл бұрын

Tay B.H. For sure... I was sort of thinking out loud in type. Obviously conscious decision making is turned off when presented with a repetitive task. After all there is a simpler example... which is nobody looks at the pen when writing something...they always look at the paper!

@incognitotorpedo42

6 жыл бұрын

Or like playing a piano. The pianist doesn't have to think about which note to play. It's not a volitional thing. There are a great many things that we do that are handled "in hardware", rather than being done by brain software.

Thanks, indeed I also found it in the video :)

Sir we are young! I can hear 16kHz

How can you define cons when you don't know what it is ? and can it be that the defined 'machine' cons is totally different to the brain cons and has absolutely nothing to do with it?

What's the H5W problem? Google doesn't know about it.

continuing from below; using a car and the driver as an analogy to the brain and consciousness, i hear paul describing a very sophisticated, intelligent car, but not the driver. even if he succeeds at making a 'conscious' car that reacts to its enviroment and makes choices (lower animals do this), its still just part of the car. there still is no driver. his conscious car will never ponder why am i driving? why cant i walk today? i love driving or i hate driving. this is the driver of the car.

@geoffbanks6197

3 жыл бұрын

You assume there is a driver! perhaps it is just the noise of the motor who is the driver. The car goes up a hill, the sound of the motor changes, now cons gets louder, you wake up and think you are driving.

Your hearing range doesn't go above about 16khz then.

Consciousness solves the H5W problem, or does the H5W solves the consciousness problem?

Me and my cat can't hear it

A clear pick for TED.com

for me the lecture is a little confusing. was he saying that the brain generates consciousness, and therefore they can make conscious machines by emulating the human brain? if this is the point i dont see it. for those of us that believe consciousness is seperate from the brain and simply works through its limitations, no machine can have human like consciousness, like sapience or wisdom. first i think he has to define consciousness, is it matter based or non matter based? then go from there.

@geoffbanks6197

3 жыл бұрын

or an over-rated side effect of brain activity? caused by matter but not related to matter.

If Google doesn't know about it, it doesn't exist.

you will not easily find the leading edge in google.

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