This album, Calculating Infinity is a real landmark in this area of music and influenced countless bands that followed.

@jonathanolson1185

2 жыл бұрын

Can't agree more. I know that a lot of people enjoy the stuff with Mike Patton, but this will forever be my favorite DEP album.

nothing better live than DEP ending their set with Sunshine the Werewolf straight into 43%

@MegaBrandOn

2 жыл бұрын

DEP put on some of the most intense and stimulating concerts I've ever seen, especially when the mic gets shoved into your face and you have to scream "Price for her" several times into it. I've seen them probably a dozen times, and it never got boring. Greg musta saw me singing along, because he dove over about 8 people, laid across them,.and grabbed my head, shoving it into the mic. I will never forget that moment.

@jimbowwww

2 ай бұрын

Chill out colin

Yknow….there’s an album by them with Mike Patton on vocals. Yeah. The singer from Mr Bungle!

@Deathbybigmac420

2 жыл бұрын

Under the running board

@moatfloater

2 жыл бұрын

irony is a dead scene

@daveb1274

2 жыл бұрын

piglatin

@moatfloater

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveb1274 that's just one of the songs on a 4 track ep

The opening and ending sections are actually the same. It comes back around at the end. Also, they didn't just "play" these songs live. Their live shows, especially in the early days, were absolute mayhem and are still the stuff of legends. DEP didn't invent mathcore, but they are by far the biggest name in it, and this track is their original BIG show stopping song. Great way to start the week. Looking forward to hearing Botch, Deadguy, Coalesce, Ion Dissonance, Into the Moat or whatever else you might have planned for this week.

@ambassadortourettes753

2 жыл бұрын

I back you up on your listed suggestions 👌He definitely needs to do a Botch song 👌Can't leave out KISS IT GOODBYE 🤔 however, I wouldn't really consider them MathCore...

@bonesanddarkness3552

2 жыл бұрын

@@ambassadortourettes753 One of many bands that helped to build the sound.

@ambassadortourettes753

2 жыл бұрын

@@bonesanddarkness3552 Most definitely 👌 I was lucky enough to get to see them Live 👌When they opened for BOTCH and was their second to last show ever 🙄 DEP had yet to put out their second album and they just got their new vocalist 👌They played a cover of Rebel Yell 👌😂Was amazing... I have been fortunate to live in Olympia WA and got to see BOTCH play dozen of times by proxy 🙏it was very sad to see them go 😭

@jonathanolson1185

2 жыл бұрын

Holy Shit, did you just recommend an Into the Moat song? Niiiiiice. In my opinion an amazing and overlooked Mathcore band. I think I still have an ITM t-shirt somewhere haha

@bonesanddarkness3552

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanolson1185 Your goddamn right I did. There are bands that laid the foundation for mathcore in the 90s. There are bands that solidified the sound in the 00s. There are bands that carry it now. BUT Into the Moat landed right in the middle of the post-Botch boom and expanded on it. Unique and worthwhile.

Hoping for some Behold! The Arctopus (although I'm not 100% certain they fit in the "core" category).

I remember hearing this back when it first came out. I was weaned on the most brutal death metal on the planet, when I heard this my world flipped. Death metal sounded like a chihuahua compared to the pit bull viciousness this album had…this is a classic!

i saw dep live, i got my eyebrows burned off by Greg blowing fire. then someone stepped on my face. hey, review mathrock band This Town Need Guns "Left Align"!

@jonathanolson1185

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. DEP, Converge and The Chariots have some of the most insane live shows ever. My old band had the honor to open for them and I'll forever remember when Greg climbed into the rafters, FELL ON HIS HEAD, split it open, then proceeded to wipe the blood all over his face and continue the show. He got stiches afterwards. Damn I miss that hardcore scene so much.

What Dillinger reminds me of the most in a harmonic sense is composers like Stravinsky or Bartok but with everything cranked up to 100 all the time

@SaintBeatrix

Күн бұрын

It’s got the driving but super choppy odd rhythms but also the tonal dissonance (rather than atonal) as they’re not composing with the twelve tone system or anything. it’s all still within the tonal framework just bucking every single established “rule” of it.

This track specifically I feel like is the seminal track of mathcore that really defined the genre for decades to come. Cool to see some good analysis even if it's not your cup of tea.

YES 🙏🙏👌👌This entire album should not even have spaces between songs 🙄This album is basically The Reign in Blood of MathCore 👌 I might have listened to this album more than all Slayer albums combined... ✍️

I didn’t like this when I first heard it. After three listens I loved it. Bought the album, and it became my favorite album. Period.

it makes me so happy to see your channel pop up with certain bands from time to time =) =)

The live videos of these guys playing are CRAZY. The Furnace Fest 2002 video looks like a warzone.

And oh dang for The Performance aspect. Check out some live videos. These people thrashed around like a fish on land, tore venues apart and breathed fire live and still hit those notes.

*Insects* by Psyopus! Now that’s math metal at its best!

@BlueCrayon77

2 жыл бұрын

Insects! Dang typos! hehe

@jonathanolson1185

2 жыл бұрын

Yessssss Psyopus is crazy. And yeah Insects would be great. Glad to see someone still remembers them!

@MegaBrandOn

2 жыл бұрын

Psyopus, too much sliding, I saw them and wasn't impressed. I swear all the bassist did was slides the whole show

@user-pi5ir5mm3r

3 ай бұрын

This is better that’s fs

its cool to see experts explain the music i loved as a teen/twenties... back then there were no resources so there was a whole mythology around this band for my lil group.

My favorite song by this band is on Calculating Infinity, not sure if it's Jim Fear or Sugar Coated Sour, with Destro's Secret and 43% Burnt as other elements in the top 4 of the album itself. Edit: Clip the Apex, Accept Instruction is probably the craziest song on the album though maybe not seeming so on the surface.

You're right, they are really dense. I remember trying to learn a song on the guitar...30 seconds felt like 2 songs by an average metal band.

Dimitri Minakakis. Ben Weinman. Brian Benoit. Chris Pennie.

@isaackmojica8302

10 ай бұрын

The true PIONNERS!!

This was my introduction to DEP. Needless to say I wasn't ready for it back then either... to a large extent I STILL don't feel like I'm ready for it! LOL Funny thing is that I was also getting into Meshuggah at the same time as both bands were getting called "math rock/metal" and that sounded interesting to my pretentious teenage brain. I ended up loving Meshuggah, but DEP has remained one of those bands I struggle with despite my admiration for their talent and originality. Their later albums were definitely a bit more accessible, often even with a handful of songs that bordered on pop (!), but this album/song was them at their most aggressive and chaotic.

@CriticalReactions

2 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine this being a great introduction to the group unless you already enjoyed this kinda music, and then maybe still lead with something a little lighter. 😅

Oh and you have to check out Botch of course too!

@CriticalReactions

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, Botch is on the way! And The Chariot certainly has a chance of showing up this week as well.

@stephaneficara4501

2 жыл бұрын

@@CriticalReactions Oh Yeah, Botch ! That's a good choice for sure, We Are The Romans is still by the top albums of that era. I hope you have some Frontierer on your mathcore list ! "The Molten Larva", "Bunsen", "Tunnel Jumper"... the list goes on forever.

Love this song

I seem to remember commenting your first Dillinger reaction, maybe on farewell Mona Lisa, saying you gotta check out the pre-puciato, pre-ire works stuff. Regarding the fade out, feel like that was so 90s. The way they played and ended it live was great in comparison.

@UrBeat06

Жыл бұрын

Now do something from the EP with mike Patton as vocalist. The vocals there give it another feel all together that you don’t get with either the records of Minakakis or Puciato. Maybe, when good dogs do bad things.

Mathcore! You HAVE to check out The Chariot! I'd recommend "David de la Hoz" (not the music video version. While great, it's recorded life for the video and is different than the studio version)

@MegaBrandOn

2 жыл бұрын

The Chariot was alright, the OG singer of Norma Jeans second band. Honestly it doesn't compare to DEP, but I do love his voice. For anyone who likes DEP, it's def worth a listen tho.

Yo!!!! Mathcore finally made it…and I’m back for it! Dillinger is great. Not always my cup of tea, for, I’m sure you know what reasons. This is off one of their older albums. I find this one a bit more raw and abrasive. Kinda reminds me of BTBAM and their lack of respect for changing sections. Tbh, I’ve never really figured out this kind of “grindy” Mathcore. To me, this song was like being thrown into a tornado and you just gotta ride it and be ready to see a flying cow, a house, a tree, and then the wicked witch of the west! What I did enjoy was their use of brief pauses to add a moment of “coming up for air” before getting trashed by another wave. There were also some dang dissonantly groovy parts (especially the end). That fadeout was the last “screw you listener” 😂 The tripping point was cool. That’s another great “visual” effect to the auditory experience. Thanks Bryan!

@CriticalReactions

2 жыл бұрын

I might have to steal that "being in a tornado" idea because it perfectly sums up exactly what I feel in songs like this. Just gotta enjoy the ride and be ready to hear anything. :)

@mythosspecialist1352

2 жыл бұрын

This is my favorite album by them, but I can't not laugh at that analogy. Thanks, my ribs were hurting for a good minute. Got me right in the heart man

The intro and intro are what's called a breakdown in hard-core music. It's funny you call it a resting period because live it's when people go off the hardest.

I just realized about the end of the lyrics: "While that sting can last a million year." Maybe, not that non-sensical according to the endless ending of the song.

My you are a brave soul

Might want to also check out The Number Twelve Looks Like You. "Gallery of Thrills" and "Like A Cat" are good songs to start with. I'm not even a huge fan of mathcore, but it's fascinating stuff when it's done for the sake of diversity of sound and not just to be obnoxious.

I had never paid much attention to mathcore until I saw them opening for a melodeath band at least 10 years ago (bad combo, by the way), and realized I was missing out on something interesting. They are extremely good live, which is not a given.

Absolutely love Dillinger . . . After Mike Patton. Their work prior just wasn't weird enough I guess?

Nice! This is the perfect week for more car bomb! Check out blackened battery!

Nearly the whole final half of the song are all ideas that appeared earlier.

just guessing BEYOND THE BURIED AND ME and MARS VOLTA are going to be big requests after this reaction

@bottlemanic

2 жыл бұрын

Between*?

When I tell people this is my favorite band, they can't understand why. When I try to explain how technically skilled this is, they can't hear it. Organized chaos, like what goes on in my head! Nothing will ever compare to DEP.

@kylewadejohnson

8 ай бұрын

This is exactly how I felt when I listened to btbam for the first time back on the silent circus

@ProgrammedForDamage

7 ай бұрын

My brother calls it unlistenable, but I beg to differ.

This song is perfect as is.. Dillinger is God 🤘🔥

DEP's Under the Running board ep is great.

Hirsch Effect need to be in that week. Lifnej would be finde.

@CriticalReactions

2 жыл бұрын

:)

Do some Locust!

Honestly I'm just not as much a fan of early Dillinger. I really feel that they improved over time and went out on a high note with One of Us is the Killer. They really channel that manic energy into a much more cohesive package with more reasonable transitions between sounds. This album, Calculating Infinity, was early on and firmly planted their flag in the formation of the genre, and you can't ignore that, but they definitely grew as a group.

@progperljungman8218

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@makjak111

2 жыл бұрын

One of us is the killer isnt their last album lol

@azithoth6860

2 жыл бұрын

@@makjak111 you're right. Forgot about Dissociation, I never did give it a proper listen. One of Us is far and away my favorite

@loucifer9618

2 жыл бұрын

Honeysuckle off Dissociation is by far one of the best songs I've heard from them.

@SpeedOfThought1111

2 жыл бұрын

well they definitely CHANGED as a group, as every member was replaced, sometimes more than once, except for the lead guitarist...from what i remember there was originally a keyboard player that paralyzed himself in a car accident too

You definitely need to do more dilinger because they don't play the same style...I mean you can tell it's Dillinger, but setting fire to sleeping giants, unretrofied, parasitic twins, mouth of ghosts, widower, dead as history, black bubblegum, milk lizard, calculating infinity, dead as history, one of us is the killer, dissociation... it's not all chaos. There are related projects too.. giraffe tongue orchestra, black queen, killer be killed. Also, I think a lot of us who were around at the time found Dillinger because of sunshine the werewolf... nudge nudge wink wink. Ps the people recommending tool songs are dicks. Pneuma is exciting for us because it's new and there's a drum video, but it's not the best song on the album. You should listen to eulogy.

Yeah, now show this dude tdep lives 😂

Love the channel! Just fyi, the “chill section” at the end is definitely a breakdown 😂 it’s actually the least chill part of the song. You should watch a live performance of it, literally pick any of the top 50 on KZread and it will be a way better performance than most bands could ever dream of having. Not hyperbole.

Calculating Infinity is as raw and relevant and futuristic as it was in 1999. I pushed you too far. You pushed me too far. You had to push me... so... far...

This song is an adrenaline dump

2024 do u like tdep yet ..... u Should :)

@CriticalReactions

14 күн бұрын

Not generally. They tend to have some cool ideas but the sound they choose to channel those ideas through is a bit too aggressive for me usually.

@_knifeprty

13 күн бұрын

@@CriticalReactions i respect that tbh Definitely not a bad for everyone but theyre my personal number one hejhgheh

Outro.. Its a breakdown/mosh part lol. Zero chill.

i love them but i hate what metal has become. i call modern metal dog music because it deals with arpeggios and screeching frequencies that are at the limit of human hearing

@tinflesh

2 жыл бұрын

What bands are you referring to by the way? Because I can DEFINITELY see bands like Rings of Saturn and the whole aliencore scene to be sounding very over the top sometimes😅 But I’d say there are still loads of modern metal bands that are insanely technical yet still musical! kzread.info/dash/bejne/Znt2u5RxfLe4Zs4.html Definitely check out FF:) these guys are absolute masters

@steezydan8543

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure you don't just have hearing damage? I play two whole steps down in C and most of the bands I listen to downtune as well.

Yes it is called controlled choas or however people want to spell that word. Anyway once you truly understand all time signatures and tempos then the skies the the limit as the old folk say.

Very annoying yet influential album. Lmao.