Full Metal Machinist! I'M READY!

@XenosFFBE

Ай бұрын

I kinda wished the Queen shot the missiles from her back. Or you stomp on the ground and a secret missile silo opens up and shoots them. Like how Doom does in MVC3!! XD The ability has a great name! A+++

Ngl all the new animations for MCH look pretty sick.

It's kinda funny because mch and brd both had aoe/single target disjoint issues but they only addressed bard. MCH is such an easy fix, too.

@KaedysKor

Ай бұрын

Not just easy, but _blazingly_ obvious, now that _both_ of the Overheat oGCDs are cleave attacks. Just add the CD reduction to Auto Crossbow, boom, done.

@rusttyphoon6068

Ай бұрын

@@KaedysKor MCH also either needs Queen having cleave or a new AOE battery spender

@KaedysKor

Ай бұрын

@@rusttyphoon6068 yep, and then +5 battery or something similar added to Spread Shot and Scattergun

Tool tip for double check states I’ve seen in other media tour videos. Looks like Gauss is getting upgraded to an AOE

@HalberdierHyperion

2 ай бұрын

They finally give it an AoE and Auto Crossbow still doesn't reduce the cooldown for it or Ricochet... Who the hell is designing this job that is being so stingy with AoE functionality?

@Mandoolin

2 ай бұрын

@@HalberdierHyperion Yeah, with this you might as well just spam the new heat blast for aoes instead of auto crossbow. Mindblowing design. :/

@1337penguinman

Ай бұрын

@@Mandoolin Actually, I wonder if the numbers don't make more sense that way lol.

@KaedysKor

Ай бұрын

Auto Crossbow is 160 per target. The new Heat Blast upgrade, Blazing Shot, is 220 to a single target, and then it also adds half of the damage of both Checkmate and Double Check, which is 160 to the primary target and 80 to secondary targets, for a total of 380 primary and 80 per secondary. So let's examine total damage: 2 targets Auto Crossbow - 320p Blazing Shot - 460p (+43.75%) 3 targets Auto Crossbow - 480p Blazing Shot - 540p (+12.5%) 4 targets Auto Crossbow - 640p (+3.23%) Blazing Shot - 620p 5 targets Auto Crossbow - 800p (+14.29%) Blazing Shot - 700p So Auto-Crossbow is worse at 3 or fewer targets, roughly equal at 4, and only clearly superior at 5 targets. Seriously, this is ridiculous. Auto Crossbow needs the CD reduction on it.

@Mandoolin

Ай бұрын

@@KaedysKor fucking lmao, might be copium but I really hope they noticed this so they can fix it

they should really make flame thrower useful in aoe. make it give you stacks of overheat, and then you can use it as if you had 50 heat gauge. so you can spam auto cross bow. basically you would use it when you have nothing else to do in AOE.

@1337penguinman

Ай бұрын

The damage it does right now really makes it too limited for using almost ever. All they would need to do is allow you to use it while moving and it would fix 90% of the issues with it.

I love the new animations

I really wish they allowed Crossbow to reset CD's on Checkmate/Doublecheck.

Why does Queen's attacks still not AoE? Flamethrower still being crap, and Auto-Crossbow not reducing gauss/ricochet timers... They are clueless when it comes to addressing MCH AoE issues...

@itsyaboymarcelluswallace

2 ай бұрын

Yes it really is an obvious oversight to make

Disappointing but unsurprising to see Flamethrower untouched for yet another expansion. Barrel Stabiliser changing to a buff combined with an extra Drill stack are wonderful QoL for heat management though.

@1337penguinman

Ай бұрын

Yeah, it's annoying as hell having to hold a hypercharge window because Drill is coming off CD too soon.

No changes to any of the major complaints, RIP

@chstens

2 ай бұрын

And what are the major complaints?

@JustShimothy

2 ай бұрын

@@chstens Disconnected aoe rotations vs single target, Wildfire being an awful 2 minute(it didn’t even get a second added to the timer you can put skills into for those weird fights like top where you have to manually wait to activate it as a second Ogcd just to fit 6 skills into it), ping issues for some people, flamethrower being nothing more than a emote and a meme

@chstens

2 ай бұрын

@@JustShimothy Yeah, alright. The same old.

@itsspookie

2 ай бұрын

​@@chstens yeah....those are a few major complaints..bio blaster and flame thrower are still.bad

I’m hyped for machinist! Hope they fix the aoe problems sometime this expansion as they’re very simple changes.

One note you missed is that Double Check, the upgrade of Gauss Round, is also now an AoE cleave the same way as Ricochet/Checkmate. So now _both_ oGCDs enhanced by Overheat are cleaves, and yet somehow, the devs _still_ missed the SUPER DUPER HOLY CRAP OBVIOUS change of adding the CD reduction from Heat Blast/Blazing Shot onto Auto Crossbow.

I think they should change Flamethrower to a turrent that shoots it's flames out and is available after using one of your heat moves. And by pressing the button again you can switch between aoe flamethrower and single target laser or something and as long as the turrent is there you get a enhance version of your aoe skill and single target combo.

@austin4990

Ай бұрын

As someone who plays LoL, i quite frequently see people saying "Turrent" instead of "Turret" and im normally not a grammar nazi but for some reason league has made me hate turrets so much i now have to inform people its turret, not turrent... and no im not diving under the turrets. I honestly dont know if its "turrent" in some other language if so my bad.

@ich3730

Ай бұрын

@@austin4990 ngl i have never seen someone say "turret" in league, everyone calls them "towers"

Not mentioned in the video from media tour build. Both double check and checkmate are AoE. Hopefully they give more AoE to skills in the final build.

Full Metal Machinist. They knew what they were doing there, and I love it

@Antwanismyfirstname

Ай бұрын

Even got Al there too

@ich3730

Ай бұрын

Seeing how none of the major issues with the job got adressed and all we got was shiny animations and a pun from 2009 they, in fact, dont know what they are doing there :D

I have a feeling MCH might get a mid xpac rework like PLD. Probably going to be my MSQ main for DT still, though.

Aoe seems like it needs help but I don't want it to just be the same regardless i like the idea of having multiple different combos for different situations

im happy but i would have liked a change to autocrossbow or at least let it reduce cd like heatshot and an aoe wildfire woulda been nice

Outside of making wildfire guaranteed direct crit & aoe Flamethrower has consistently been really bad. If they want to keep it just make it a gauge builder during downtime.

I miss MCH and AST from HW. Were actually fun.

With the potency of Double Check and Checkmate, it would be a DPS loss to use Auto-Crossbow over New Heat Blast assuming those charges were already spent. Should still be fun, but man they need to fix our AoE mess.

It would be cool to see every class universally get movement skills and speed up the mechanics at times so things can be a bit more fast paced at times, i think the movement in this game during combat really makes it unique but sometimes it just feels slow at least for basic stuff idk about ultimates and stuff

Probably still gonna be my least played Phys. Ranged, which... I mean it's fine, I don't hate it I just like BRD and DNC more.

@FPSEric

Ай бұрын

Haha it’s funny because we’re complete opposites. I’ve loved machinist since it was released but I find dancers, and bard boring.

I like that full metal field is a weaponskill and can be pumped by reassemble. I never like new big abilities to be ogcds because that usually means clipping animations and less feelgood (for me)

@TheLunarboy4

Ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to using it as the 6th GCD during wildfire windows, but using reassemble on it might be the better play

@Exponential_Entropy

Ай бұрын

It actually already does guaranteed direct crit hit. 0:58 Reassemble only falls off from using Heated Split Shot.

@maruhto3508

Ай бұрын

@@Exponential_Entropy oh i missed that

While I really wish auto crossbow would refresh your filler skills like heat blast does, one thing I did notice that I don't see anyone talking about is that both double check AND checkmate do AOE damage (in fact they're both the same move just with different names.)

@1337penguinman

Ай бұрын

Which is weird but i understand why they did it. Jank is kinda the name of the game for MCH anyway. Job really needs a full rework.

@TwoTwig

Ай бұрын

@@1337penguinman The job plays fine imo (against single targets) it just needs its kit tweaked to better deal with mobs like they did with Bard.

I think they should change the animation for Full Metal Field so that it shows the whole thing even when you use your next skill. having it show up for a second, disappear, then all the missiles and bullets come out of nowhere looks so unsatisfying

These numbers confirm that flamethrower is dead, right? It was already marginal when compared to spamming the aoe and then doing the aoe hypercharge, now that the hypercharge has got a boost and flamethrower didn't, the aoe is now, bio, spam aoe, do a burst, bio?

@1337penguinman

Ай бұрын

Chainsaw and Excavator in there as well, but yeah.

MCH is eating so good

I'm still gonna be playing machinist since I love the job, but I understand why people feel the way they do. This really didnt fix the issues people have with it lol

They missed a lot on what they should have added/changed to make the job better. Maybe they will update later in 7.0

@1337penguinman

Ай бұрын

Yeah, definitely needs a full rework. I expect it'll probably get one in 7.1 or 7.3.

2:13 600* not 700 (according to the tooltip u showed)

at this point they should just get rid of wildfire and overheat... and use the heat gauge to power up a flamethrower drone or something...

It has its own identity its good

I was kind of hoping we'd see what you talked about with the dungeon with more fights having adds phases. I feel like if they did this regularly it could allow them to do something like "melees are better at single target, ranged are stronger at AOE"and balance raids to account for this by having adds phases with mini DPS checks to give all DPS roles a time to shine in fights

@1337penguinman

Ай бұрын

Would definitely help with the knifes edge non melee DPS are teetering on where it's almost not worth it to bring them even with the buffs.

It's obvious why the AoE combo doesn't build battery. Why would AoE build battery when everything the Queen does is single target? That would make no sense whatsoever.

@ich3730

Ай бұрын

How about we make the battery interact with AOE then? Whats not making sense here is that 50% of the job's gimmicks are excluded from AOE. Its like devolving to lv50 whenever there are 3+ mobs on the screen.

The fact that auto-crossbow still does not give gauss/ricochet back... *facepalm and groan* I don't even use auto-crossbow anymore. IDK if that's the right way to do it, but I just feel like on trash pulls, that it goes much faster if I just use the single target to get back gauss and ricochet and use those more.

@HalberdierHyperion

2 ай бұрын

It's definitely way better potency to just spam Auto Crossbow instead, but... Yeah, the fact that both oGCD upgrades now have splash damage and Auto Crossbow doesn't make them come back faster is super cringe.

@ich3730

Ай бұрын

its also a weirdly primitive skill now with the new tech-y aesthetic. We over here summoning robots, shooting lasers, switching between pistol and pump-action, but for AOE we pull out a contraption that shoots arrows? xD

That Catboy still hits hard😸😽😼

AoE Wildfire/Queen is all I asked for, MCH could play exactly the same and I would’ve been happy but alas

@Qkochan3

2 ай бұрын

man remember when we had rook for aoe? and then they removed it for god knows what reason? at least rook lives on in pvp i guess

same as SHB same as EW, very glad to finally drop this job completely because Picto looks SO much fun.

Looks even cooler but complains, like for Summoner, are not addressed. It's weird, i don't know what to say about that, it's just weird.

I'm in the minority and actually enjoy how weird and different machinist's AOE rotation is. Adds more variety to dungeon gameplay for me

@Exponential_Entropy

Ай бұрын

They just need to make Queen attacks/Wildfire do AoE damage, even if they don't make Auto Crossbow reduce gauss/ricochet timers or keep Flamethrower in its shitty state. Using your battery on trash pulls to not overcap while it still does single target dmg genuinely feels bad. You'd think judging by the animations for Pile Bunker and Crowned Collider being impacts/explosion that it'd do AoE dmg...nope.

@hamptonwooster

Ай бұрын

@@Exponential_Entropy Yeah I agree that wildfire and queen need to have AOE fall off, that’s a no-brainer. I think they probably don’t have guass and ricochet reset during auto crossbow for balancing reasons. The updated Guass round actually does aoe damage now though! I actually like flamethrower because you don’t always use it but it feels good when you can throw it in near the end of a pull. I would want to be able to move slowly during it though

@ich3730

Ай бұрын

@@hamptonwooster What in the fuq would be the "balancing reason" for that? Clearing expert roulette 1 minute faster?

@hamptonwooster

Ай бұрын

@@ich3730 they do balance the AOE damage believe it or not. Criterion dungeons are a thing

Hot take: Stormblood MCH was my favorite. ShB MCH lowered the skill floor and gave it the coolest aesthetic, but it became a pain to play in end game for me

Full Metal Machinist with an entire aresnal of hits in an aoe is just too good I love the Barrel Stableizer stuff though No flamethrower changes/tweaks? MEH

Gauss round actually does get an increased functionality when it upgrades. It gains an aoe component just like Ricochet. The upgraded abilities are identical. So that’s kinda cool!

@1337penguinman

Ай бұрын

The fact they did that instead of just making it one skill and buffing the potency shows that the changes in 7.0 are just band-aids. Which makes me hope a full rework is incoming soon.

Why no wildfire changes, it’s literally the worst 2 minute in the game @-@

@HyouVizer

2 ай бұрын

Thought it be an aoe. you throwing bundle dynamite sticks at target

@JustShimothy

2 ай бұрын

@@HyouVizerfor real, I really just wanted it to dh crit and for its timer needed to put 6 gcds in to be slightly extended for fights like TOP.

@HyouVizer

2 ай бұрын

​@@JustShimothy goddamn that sounds badass, great idea

@itsyaboymarcelluswallace

2 ай бұрын

​@@HyouVizer it really should be esp since u have an aoe heat gauge move

@James-kv3ll

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. It literally makes no sense how the literal bomb doesn’t do AoE damage… wtf

They could fix the latency issue of Mach very easily by removing Gauss round and increasing the duration of hyper-charge by 2 seconds. But no. They refuse to fcking fix it.

Another expansion of flamethrower......yay.....

Flamethrower.

@ich3730

Ай бұрын

Its cool that MCH is the only job that comes with an exclusive emote!

As long as aoe is basically meaningless why are we upset the aoe rotation didn't change?

@jacobkern2060

2 ай бұрын

Because other jobs got QoL tweaks to make transitioning from AoE to single target more seamless

@trxyjxzy1075

2 ай бұрын

@@jacobkern2060 right but if the only time you use aoe is in dungeon roulette why does it matter? SE fight design has been stagnant since stormblood, when they release a raid tier where aoe matters I will be complaining about mch aoe right here with you. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

@ich3730

Ай бұрын

@@trxyjxzy1075 especially for braindead content like roulettes, its important for jobs to feel good. Otherwise players get bored/frustrated.

Queen should of been upgraded to a king robot that lets the machinist get inside the cockpit and handing out a completely new skill bars worth of abilities sort of like Moze's Iron Bear from Borderlands 3.

I love the look, but I really play a lot of casual content like dungeons and... the disjointed single and multi-target really irks me.

mch aoe cohesion still in the gutter i see

MCH will forever be the weakest raid job if it cant synergize with the 2 min windows. What’s the point of a 1440 potency wildfire that can’t be enhanced by my raid comps crit/dh buffs? Wildfire needed an animation change as well. There’s no visual reward for a skill that requires so much input. Wildfire detonations are hidden in flying text.

Honestly, I'd like to see them drop the Heat Blast/Wildfire spam in favor of reworking the non gun attacks into a ninja TenChiJin style combo system (which you can move during). Use heat gauge to switch on your multiweapon thing and then fire off three tiered attacks of escalating potency from three different button options: Single target, Line/Cone AoE, and point blank AoE. Afterwards, a big follow-up attack will occur, based on how many similar types of attacks you used, kinda like a cross between Monk's beast gauge with Samurai's Iai skills as finishers. -Single attack button: T1 Heat Blast (from the weapon thing) > T2 Drill > T3 Air Anchor. -Line AoE button: T1 A smaller attack, like a laser blast > T2 Chainsaw >T3 That new excavator attack -Cone AoE button: T1 Auto Crossbow > T2 Bio Blaster > T3 Flamethrower (Non sustained version) Each time you press a button, it advances to the next stronger tier, but you can only press three. To give you options, the detonation effect will vary in effect and intensity depending on how many similar types you did. So whenever you build up meter, you can just blast out flashy attacks with a big finish each time, rather than WIldfire's anticlimactic nothingness.

@ich3730

Ай бұрын

I like the idea of a NIN-like phase, because thats a good reason to implement the sniper rifle from PvP.

just as dissapointed with MCH changes as I thought they'd be no OgcD recharge on autocrossbow, no change on flamethrower....Wildfire still crap. Guess after the 4th expansion in a row i'll wave it goodbye finally.

Forgot to mention that Heat Blast gets upgraded to Blazing Shot at 68.

@anarcnamedjustin3451

Ай бұрын

Literally like the first thing he noted about it

They are STILL trying to figure some of these Stormblood job HUD gauges out... Still no AoE battery gauge or Queen or Air Anchor is unforgivable at this late date. Scholar fairy gauge still seems to be mostly pointless. And now Barrel Stabilizer, Manafication, and Living Shadow don't even interact with the job HUDs at all now. I'm starting to think maybe those people who said job HUDs were holding the game back in design were kinda right on some aspects, in retrospect. I'm still sad about Wildfire seeming like a vestigial organ now, when that was once the machinist's Fell Cleave dopamine that they lived and died for. They should have leaned into that, and they still could, but now it's multiweapon/tools and flashy satellite lasers at the expense of all else. I always wished Scattershot combo'd from Spread Shot too.

Heavy tf2

Gonna miss the jumping Ricochet animation. RIP =(

Once again missing the mark entirely on any and ALL issues and valid criticisms against the job. Its already been one of the most boring jobs in the game for the last 2 expansions. And seriously, there not even being a feigned ATTEMPT at fixing how terrible the class plays in mob pack/add phases is just downright depressing.

I still dont get why Ricochet and Gauss Round are separate. Just seems like bloat to me.

@PapaMidnite__

2 ай бұрын

Because weaving is fun😢

Damage still shit i see, amazing

yet ANOTHER expansion without machinist getting even a hint of a movement skill, jetpack when?

so basically the same as EW... not that I hate it but I wished for some changes maybe it's time for Bard or Dancer

I still miss HW MCH and the fact that WF is still the same sucks. I dunno mch used to be my favorite but alas... kinda boring now.

They really dont like mch huh?

AoE phases in dungeon bods fights always come across as lazy to me. Every Dungeon is basically two AoE pulls and a boss. A 3rd AoE pull says to me that they ran out of ideas.

@HyouVizer

2 ай бұрын

They need to go back to their dungeon layout designs like ARR. They had multiple hallways, directions to go, many mobs scattered all over, interacting with the environment to get a key item to unlock some place else etc. Expansion dungeons just linear path 2 mobs until boss, repeat two more times eh.

@epsilontheadvent477

2 ай бұрын

​@@HyouVizer I understand why people feel this way, but that ultimately becomes useless because you're never going to want to go the deviating paths. That's why they got rid of those designs in the first place. Instead of the ARR design, the should introduce more unique mechanics in dungeons, like Aurum Vale but less annoying

@HyouVizer

2 ай бұрын

@@epsilontheadvent477 stormblood bosses had really good mechanics even in dungeons, maybe go back to that

@foxyfoxington2651

2 ай бұрын

@@HyouVizer YoshiP gave an answer to this in another interview, but it's not very satisfying. Basically: A) Their entire pipeline is based on a formula (2 trash -> Midboss -> 2 trash -> Midboss -> 2 trash -> Final Boss) and changing it would mess with their development pipeline and resource allocation B) They're worried that dungeons that take longer or shorter than a set amount of time will upset people. The second of which is ironic given he kicked off the interview talking about how they need to get rid of the "fear of failure" (fear of upsetting players) when it comes to designing content. But it becomes clear throughout the interview that's very specific to 8 person raid content only. They can't change the way they do dungeons because it might upset people. They can't change the way they handle new jobs because it might upset people. It's frustrating, because the guy knows his game has gotten stale... But doesn't seem to have a path forward to get out of the rut.

Be honest Mr. Happy. How often have the devs actually made significant changes to job design after the media tour? Seriously. You might as well act like this is final for launch.

@ew275x

2 ай бұрын

IIRC they had a Samurai AOE they removed planned for endwalker and removed some of the Monks positionals

MCH skill animation sucks. The fact that our character pull out those big weapons out off our ass is so stupid lol

Can we PLEASE get the sniper rifle from PvP ;_;

aoe wise agreed meh lol