Thanks for sharing! 🥁👍

I realize I'm SUPER late to this party...but I think the real test of a tom mic is in the way it deals with off-axis sounds. You could do the same test but with a crash/ride behind it. Hit the cymbal and then do some drum hits. I can tune, EQ, and head-selection a drum to have the right sound in front of the mic. The stuff behind the mic is always a bit hit or miss (or, more realistically, a bit hit too hard)!

@bangdrums

4 жыл бұрын

I feel ya. The amount of bleed will also depend on the room and the skill of the player so its kinda hard to simulate all that.

@DontWorryImAPilot

4 жыл бұрын

@@bangdrums But objectively easy to quantify in an informational way. As easy to quantify as direct hits are. If the skill of the player is hard to simulate and that makes the bleed test irrelevant then I'd argue striking the drum is irrelevant, too. Are we hitting dead center? Are we playing with a loose grip or a tight grip? How does that slightly off-center play into the polar pattern of the mic? In a test environment it's easy to hit the center but in actual application? Where's the floor tom in the room? Are we in a low-end null? I agree with you. That test wouldn't give us a definitive answer...but it gives us an idea. If the two mics are set up and one is 3db quieter in bleed from a cymbal above then we have a probable winner. If one has a resonance at 3.5kHz and the other doesn't then we've got an significant bit of info to move forward with. All that said, it's your channel and I SUPER appreciate everything you've got here. I can't wait for the next thing you put out. I'll be here watching (and probably not commenting because what started out as me trying to encourage you and thank you descended into something where - no matter what I say - I can't seem to make it sound as appreciative and non-aggressive as I feel)!

@bangdrums

4 жыл бұрын

DontWorryImAPilot no offense taken and thank you for your comment. You put way more thought into this than I did.

Really appreciate this video. I can’t hear a difference, so this is useful to know.

@theDeathJoy

3 жыл бұрын

To me the E604 has a fuller sound in the decay.

@mikefarr6205

3 жыл бұрын

@@theDeathJoy ultimately, they both don’t sound great on floor toms. I ended up getting the Audix D4 and it’s wayyy better. Got the e904 for snare and it sounds really nice. And the e604 is nice on rack tom.

@theDeathJoy

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikefarr6205 I agree. I'm a sucker for Audix mics on drums. I have read quite often people eventually leaning away from the D4 to the D2 though. They say the D4 is a bit too much on the lows.

@mikefarr6205

3 жыл бұрын

@@theDeathJoy oh haha. That’s the whole reason I went with the D4. The Sennheisers and D2 can’t quite reproduce the lows well enough for my tastes. But to each their own. :) They really all are great mics. And the nice things about the e604s is that they are pretty much indestructible. Mine have taken many direct hits over the years and keep on rockin. Cheers!

@zolitariglussey6302

Жыл бұрын

I think we're all DEAF so it's hard to hear but I did notice a difference on the FT...

We use the 604s for tracking, love them but would want the sen 421 for floor toms.

They sound really similar, because they use the same mic capsule model. However there is a difference. Because the shell is made of much stiffer aluminium, the 904 captures the transients way better. That's why it has "more high end". It just reads the wave faster and sharper.

@bangdrums

4 жыл бұрын

einjarjar the casing of the e604 is made of plastic.

@einjarjar

4 жыл бұрын

@@bangdrums Yeah. That's why it doesn't capture the transients as sharply as the stiffer cased 904. Btw, This info came from a Sennheiser rep. when we grilled him about these mics and how they are very similar.

@BjorgenEatinger

11 ай бұрын

Exactly the same thing I was going to say, just less "boomy" overall. Nice clean, tight sound.

Its a small difference, but the 904 has a smidge better detail and better transient response. The 604 sounds like its already compressed, no sharp attack.

E904 has a bit more articulated attack, E604 is a bit smeared on the transient. But both are very similar sounding

Could you do another comparison of e604, e609 and perhaps Audix mics, shure SM57?

@TempoDrift1480

2 жыл бұрын

I bet he could if you buy them all and send them to him. I could do it too.

they sound so exactly the same that when I jumped around the timeline I couldn't tell them apart. Made me wonder if the e904 is really just new housings with the same capsules and electronics.. That would explain the lack of push for the newer 904s.. hmm..

@bangdrums

4 жыл бұрын

For me they're identical.

@snapascrew

4 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer the cheaper 604 to the 904... the 604 seems to always work without issue where as I’ve seen 904 with loose buzzy grills more than a few times.

@renesupersonic

4 жыл бұрын

@@snapascrew what about the e504??? i just purchased two 504's for 100$. they look like the 604 but with silver grill instead of black.

@bangdrums

4 жыл бұрын

Thats the predecessor of the 604. Nice deal!

@BjorgenEatinger

11 ай бұрын

Similar sound yes, but different attack and transients. The e904 is simply better.

I think the 904 is a bit brighter

more mids on the 604, e904 is more 'flat' 'hi fi' sounding, think I'd choose it

I think for a FT the 904 is the way to go and I currently have 604's..... I'll probably buy 2 904's for my FT's!!!

Well that settles it: I’m saving some money and getting the 604s.

@m.merriman7692

Жыл бұрын

They sound basically identical to me. Metal vs plastic housing is probably the only difference here. Maybe some different off-axis rejection which isn't tested in this video.

@zolitariglussey6302

Жыл бұрын

don't save, RACK UP THE SWEETWATER CREDIT CARD!!!

@The_Lilac_Estate

4 ай бұрын

I wish I could get the f***in credit card. My credit is trash.

604 is more sensitive. 904 covers up a lot Of what I wouldn’t want on a recording

Sennheiser 421, Shure beta 98, Audix d2, all have a better sound on toms, but they are more expensive too!

0:03 --- 0:23 --- tom 0:45 --- 1:05 --- flor tom

Identical

the 904 has more depth, but the e604 is better because of the seafood

@zolitariglussey6302

Жыл бұрын

Seafood? like wet taco groupy chics?

I've never understood why people like these.

@johnhennessey5

3 жыл бұрын

What a useless comment, are you gonna elaborate or are you just here to crap on the two mics that are the focus of the video? You’re the type of person that talks just to talk

@pheachshorbet916

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnhennessey5 These mics have a dull sound to me. They are, in my opinion, the worst option for toms among the brand names. However, they’re probably the most popular. I made the comment because I can. I’m so terribly sorry you did not find it productive. I also made the comment because I am curious if anyone likes these mics for a particular reason. Finally, I made the comment out of frustration with the public. Kinda like I don’t understand why people buy Windows computers. Who made you the productive comment patrol anyway? Why be bothered?

@AllenMarkel

3 жыл бұрын

@@pheachshorbet916 You made the comment because you're a troll who has nothing better to say. You could have recommended another mic and said something constructive.

@pheachshorbet916

3 жыл бұрын

@@AllenMarkel I recommend the Audio Technica ATM230. The Shure SM57 works great too. However, if you can find the old Audio Technica ATM25, those are incredible. ...Feel any better about my contribution now?

@Snoogleheimer

3 жыл бұрын

@@pheachshorbet916 I've used those mics you've mentioned. They are very average. These mics are superior.

they are both not good aound