I love my Titan 13.5. I did modify the rudder because mine didn't track really straight. The stock rudder didn't seem to have much effect in the plus or minus 7 degree rudder movements. These all had the boondocks rudder upgrade. I skinned the rudder with .020" thick aluminum so it tracks really great now. I modified the prop too and got a little more speed out of the boat. I can cruse at a steady 4.0 mph for over 30 minutes and Im 67 years old.

You really work hard to bring the info to the people. Thanks!

You guys had way too much fun! Great informative comparison.

Going thru this right now trying to figure out which I want and this video helped a bunch. Thank you all for making it.

@HeadwatersKayak

2 жыл бұрын

For sure man. Hope it helps.

Great review! Thanks for showing all three. I bought the Titan 12 from Delaware Paddlesports in Lewes Delaware and really enjoy this kayak. The first upgrade I made was the Boondox rudder as the factory rudder isn't the best. I also just installed the bull nose prop that Native sells as an upgrade and this prop is much quieter. Love fishing the local ponds in this kayak.

Great review guys , this demo only leaves us to get on the boat ourself. I actually saw one of these kayaks for sale and was scratching my head for a while. It's nice to see another pedal kayak , I do like the stability and pedal system shown.

great video. thanks for the demo

Thank you for good informations

Thanks a lot for this great Video ...

Great video guys!

Thanks ,Great video I’ll go with the 12 I was leaning towards the 10 five, but after your initial review on the three kayaks I would go with the 12 Thanks, Ben

Great video guys! I’ve been saving for a 13.5. I’m 320 and 6’3” so max capacity of 600 lbs and the width is what I want. The Old Town PDL, XL, AND MK intrigue me, but I keep coming back to Titan!

@prynceal6762

6 жыл бұрын

Same here but im only 205 6'5"!! Coosa FD and Slayer Pro 13 just didnt do it for me!!

Great Video Dan

you help me a lot in making an important decision I've been looking at upgrading from a BKC 13 fishing lake Ontario and that's 13 and a half is going to be the ticket for me because I need the width for the stability when it gets a little windy and having my trolling motor on there when I'm fishing especially when I'm trolling that is absolutely amazing and it looks like the pedal drive would work with a person that has big feet I myself I've got a 13 shoe size and with this BKC the bottom of my foot kept hitting the bottom that looks like that wouldn't be a problem I really appreciate you taking the time to show all three and then is an advantages and the disadvantages That's 13 and a half is the ticket for me thank you very much

Just bought a titan 13.5 I'm a big guy 6 foot 1 300 and can stand in it with 0 issues. Never thought I could do that on a a kayak

I’d love to see a follow up and a category I feel you missed: paddling. I feel like the 13.5 would probably be the slowest given it’s width and weight. But maybe not for a big guy with a long paddle. I’m currently in a Slayer 10 and am thinking of upgrading but my Native dealer doesn’t currently have a Titan 12. Thanks for the content. Maybe I’ll stop by when I visit my brother in Pleasant Hill next month.

Awesome awesome awesome video.. Titan 13.5 was my original love when I first discovered pedal kayaks...havent purchased one yet bcuz I got stalled out demoing other yaks ...havent demoed the 13.5 yet but phuk it I want it!!

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

Prynce Al thanks for the feedback. I’m glad it helps.

One thing's for sure, you guys definitely know how to sell a kayak... 😎👍

Man I’m kinda regretting buying my outback. That thing is awesome

I would like to see bow hatch locks for the 12 and 13.

How long before we have power assisted pedalling like my push bike. Now I would buy that.

Sweet Yaks 😎👍

Nice kayak. I will get that

The one thing I worry about being a beginner kayak guy is the stability when you lean over to like land a fish ! But these don’t look like that would be a concern at all. Even though most times I’ll be fishing in shallower water is still don’t want to go over.

Greg's built like a gymnast. He could walk on mash potatoes. What is interesting about the "drag races" is how very seldom top-end speed is used in kayak angling. I suppose at the start in a tournament, you might want to race out to secure a location first; but, other than that, we all pedal around at a walking speed. At the front end of the video, all three of you can be seen pedaling out before the drag race . . . and you are pedaling at the same cadence, covering water at the same general speed. If a PA 14, a PDL and other pedalers were lined up with you? It'd be essentially the same thing . . . all moving along at a slow/medium or fast walking clip. My guess? The 10.5s will sell very well to customers wanting easier storage and for getting vessels to the lake and back home easier; the 12 will become the choice for competitive anglers, the 13.5 for the bass boat equivalency, guys who want to really carry out a lot of gear. Great video guys! Brad

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

Brad Reid I agree. Love the feedback thanks for watching and being a part of the conversation.

I just recently found your channel it’s awesome I was wondering if you’re still in Lodi?

please show me how to carry to kinds of car. example like small car or fam car or truck.. thanks for good imfo👍

I have the sp13 myself. Once you get a feel for the boat you can walk all over it too. Today I fished standing on the seat, tank well and the sides of the front hach. I'm 6'3" and 225 pounds.

@prynceal6762

6 жыл бұрын

Clifton Farmer Dang fa real? I am 6'5 205 and the SP13 was very unstable to me even with using a stand assist bar. But my balance needs improvement as well

@cliftonfarmer7342

6 жыл бұрын

Prynce Al yes your mileage my vary, keep in mind that I'm a young man in good shape and balance.

Daamn Greg... you`re in good shape !! :D

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

He's a B-boy on the weekends. *not an actual fact.

@a11an72

6 жыл бұрын

lol , yeah he must be ! :D

What are you’re thoughts on the 13.5 for coastal offshore use and beyond the breakers?

The ascend 12.8t would make a good stability comparison

such a great video

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

Yankee Tanker Outdoors thanks man. We’re having fun making them.

you can download Kayak Log, its a free app and it will show your MPH

Hello, can we use the Titan Propel 13.5 at sea? Thank you for your reply

They are great Kayaks, and not reasonably price for the average fisherman. Give me something to dream about though in the near future. great video keep its up

@Ozzypup1

6 жыл бұрын

I agree. They are very nice kayaks but very expensive. You could have a nice boat for what they cost. Most of the other people I ever see fishing on kayaks around my area have ones that cost less then $1000. Even the one I use is a vibe kayak that cost me under $800 brand new. And it does what I need it to do.

@kayakuprising5914

6 жыл бұрын

It's definitely something that has to take a backseat to your family budget, but if you can put a little bit away every month, it's doable.

@cup_and_cone

6 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind with higher end name brand kayaks they hold value extremely well, so you can resell them after a couple years and recoup a majority of your money and move on to something else. I see used Titans, Pro Anglers and Predators all selling for over 75% of their original cost all the time on Facebook marketplace and Craigslist. A lot of kayak shops also do financing now, so paying $100-250/mo is a lot more reasonable than a few grand upfront. A weekend kayak rental is $100+. If you're out on the water a few times a month, it financially makes sense to own.

That 13.5 is the first Native I think that's appealed to me. I think if i wanted a paddler I'd choose something else but for a pedal machine, I think that boat would fish.

I watch your side by side review videos. But would really like to see Titan vs hobie. I can’t decide between titan 12 and pa12

@rmedina8171

6 жыл бұрын

Same ones I'm trying to decide on

Man I'm looking hard at one of these. Just need to know can you put a torqueedo and a micro pole out the back??

I'm 100% getting a Titan 12 ASAP.

@CarolinaBassHunter

2 жыл бұрын

Tomorrow morning.

I'm 6'2" 285 and I currently use a Vibe Yellowfin 100.....any of these would be a massive upgrade for me!! No idea what I'll end up upgrading too. My biggest thing is stability.

@aaa3d473

5 жыл бұрын

SquirrelSmasher I flipped mine a bunch of times and thought it was just me. Got a bonafide rs117 and I’d have to try to flip it

Great Review guys. Which Native Watercraft pedal kayak would be good for the individual that wants to Bass fish primarily. But also have the option to get out on the ocean to go crab/ling/rock fishing? I'm leaning towards the titan 12 or slayer propel 13. Any suggestions?

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

Rich Dagsher yes both those would be the ones I’d say to demo.

Like matching weight of person to kayak length is very important ........ ? Is there a scale of sorts for noobs? Min advised length for weight?

I wanted to buy one but the local dealers don't want to mention the name native

How does the titan do in grass

12 is definitely the next yak i get

Great review. Ive narrowed it down to three ... lol

The Native 13.5 or or the Big Fish Kayak?

I'm going to have to schedule a test run!!

How would you compare this to a pro angler 360. I’m thinking about selling mine to get a titan

the thing is making the guy in the titan 10.5...., to fishing and casting stand up is possible to do it with the slayer 10...., the titan is amazing but is a big diference in the weight beetween both...., i can put the slayer alone on the top of the car but the titan is to much heavy for me......, can you fishing stand up on the small slayer like he do in the titan 10.5 or is a really big diference beetween both in the stability for that... wait for your answer..... thanks, love your videos

Witch kayak is the safest & durable to be in if you see an alligator .

Where are you located at in California? I’m looking at getting a Titan Propel, and I’m on the fence with the 13 and the 12.

What about using the kayak in bay Ocean chasing stripe bass

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

Jason Colon I suppose you could. Guys use Pro Anglers our there all the time. I’ve never done it though so I can’t speak intelligently about that. Longer is better in the bay and ocean I do know that. Also Greg had his in big conditions at Kentucky Lake and he said it handled everything fine.

How do most people transport them? Do they buy a trailor? It seems a lil heavy to throw on top of a car

@cup_and_cone

6 жыл бұрын

Trailer, truck bed, hitch extension bar, etc. You can roof mount if you're superman and have an upgraded roof rack.

JUst bought a Native Titan 10.5. Three trips out on the water and my rudder cable already snapped. The cable on my Propel 10 lasted 4 years before it broke. Three weeks is ridiculous and I suspect they put too small a cable in this heavier boat. The set screw design at the steering handle is not good. It is sawing through the cable every time that you turn the boat.

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

I agree after using it for a while, it needs to be upgraded. NAtive is aware and working on an updated system. It may not be as fast as some of us would like, but it will happen soon.

@charlietownsend3922

5 жыл бұрын

Just curious I'm looking at getting a Titan 10.5 as well Has native upgraded the rudder cable issue on the 2019 Titan 10.5?

These things are really wide, how fast can they actually go?

I noticed on the smaller boat I think the 10-footer you have like a CF number on it why do you have it on that one and not the other ones

@HeadwatersKayak

5 жыл бұрын

Ajw Ajw Greg runs a motor on his so he has to use CF #’s

@ajw007white4

5 жыл бұрын

@@HeadwatersKayak thank you

how do keep the rudder from getting damaged when dragging it?

@HeadwatersKayak

3 жыл бұрын

Side kick wheels.

If you had to pick between old town Native or jackson pedal whick one would you pick

@HeadwatersKayak

2 жыл бұрын

Ohhh, tough call: they all have their strong suit. Old Towns system operated the smoothest, Native is the toughest (mostly made of metal), and Jackson is the best in shallow water. I guess it would depend on what kind of water I was in. Given that it’s summertime and I’m probably going to try to hit the ocean a lot, I think my top choice at the moment of the three options would be Old Town; specifically the salty because of its ocean friendly design.

@HeadwatersKayak

2 жыл бұрын

Oldtown first Native second and Jackson never.

all three kayaks are good but that foot paddle isn't my choice of foot paddling. think I like the other foot paddle than this one.

What are the prices

Maybe a silly question but do they make them without pedal drive

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

Aaron Miller no not in the Titan Series.

What do you like better Dan the hobie pa or the titan or which drive do you prefer

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you asked! We’ll find out in a couple weeks. Teaming up with Bryan from Headwaters Redding CA to put the Titan head to head against a PA.

@fuenstock

6 жыл бұрын

Really interested in seeing the PA vs Titan comparison!

Hello, you think that the Titan propel 13.5 can support a person of 160 kg, at sea, calm of course

One thing I didnt hear mention of during the review was cavitation, I demo'd the titan 12 and cavitation was horrible! I heard the guy say it during the drag race but he didnt talk anymore about it in his review of the 12!!

@williambouchard4480

5 жыл бұрын

Cavitation is a problem, however Native offers a bull nose prop upgrade which I just did on my Titan 12 and it makes a world of difference.

I wish I could get my 13.5 to track straight lol

@dustinstanford1934

5 жыл бұрын

Boondox rudder problem solved.

Quanto custa esse caiaque?

@luisviera3482

4 жыл бұрын

2600

This is why I ended up with a 10.5.

I don't care for the Native, it doesn't look like a kayak... that's a small boat. But I'm 6'5" and weight 300 pounds so the big Titan is probably what I need. Or maybe a Jackson Big Rig.

Greg your yak looks funny with no rods or gear. Lol

You guys are in Cali?

@joesteen4605

6 жыл бұрын

Lol 5.25 out of 5.

@HeadwatersKayak

6 жыл бұрын

Lodi Ca. South of Sac right near the CA Delta

@joesteen4605

6 жыл бұрын

Headwaters Kayak Awesome. I live in Nebraska. If I ever make it out your way I’ll stop by the shop. Thanks for the great videos. Most complete reviews on KZread!

Dude lol. That 13.5 looks like you could put a small chair in the back for a second person lol

@cup_and_cone

6 жыл бұрын

You can. Same track system back there.

I’ll just go big or go home

Can't believe you have to register kayaks. Obserd.

Ok so now race them paddling, with the drives out of the water. . I'd like to see ease of paddling these boats....never know when you'll be paddling.

You are alway in dead flat water not wind or waves. Not a real test guys

I prefer sit in pedal propelled canoes than these sit-on-top-like-a-King-on-the-Throne garbage. They're designed for calm water.

American kayaks are built like boats, no longer resemble the traditional kayaks. Without the peddle drives, it'll be a bitch to paddle these