Oh my gosh, I just found the original video of that circus mass. Novena Solene | Entrada da Bíblia - 3º dia - dia 05 de Outubro de 2012 I thought the video maker inserted that circus music!

@margaritotrevino2810

7 жыл бұрын

GuineaPigDan this Mass was World Youth Day 2013. The accompaniment was March of the Gladiators and from what I understand from a Brazilian friend of mine the song has a very different connotation there than it does here.

@alyannaderequito5065

6 жыл бұрын

Is that allowed?

@airasanias6047

6 жыл бұрын

It is impossible that the music is like this in that catholic mass it is prohibited by the Vatican to use circus music in it and why is there no crozier held by the bishop

@vinodsailes7921

6 жыл бұрын

Guineapigdon - you can now go to your wash places to contemplate about the next item called guineadog.

@guillaumesoucy5159

6 жыл бұрын

Margarito Trevino It's not only the circus song... It's also that procession with the caroussel, that weird structure with people swinging on it, the roller blading angels... so sad.... the Church does not recongnize sacred anymore.

I am Orthodox and I know that a typical Catholic mass is not like the one portrayed in this video... The Orthodox liturgy here is a hierarchal service. Though the Orthodox liturgy is quite beautiful , this is not a typical service...Let's be kind to our Roman Catholics please.

@the-chillian

7 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Catholic mass shown here is also hierarchical. It's taking place in the second-largest Catholic basilica in the world. But yes, it's far from typical. Although, I always found perfectly ordinary masses shocking enough, with sufficient abuses to embarrass any Orthodox.

@user-yf5bd3tj6p

7 жыл бұрын

Keri Grandalski 💖💖

@rajkiranthomas3579

6 жыл бұрын

Dont be judgemental. You dont know whole Orthodox liturgies.

@donnaroberts9119

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for standing up for a true Mass of all time.

@huahua5928

Жыл бұрын

IMO the Traditional Latin Mass is by far the most beautiful form of worship.

You compared absolutely typical Orthodox service with an absolutely not typical Catholic service, and it is not nice on your behalf.

@StratKruzer

4 жыл бұрын

Except there is NO Orthodox service to compare with that.

@cetebecuvak8836

4 жыл бұрын

In every orthodox church its typical

@cyril9245

4 жыл бұрын

Yes and that was not an entrance,it was a procession after the mass so they were wishing everyone and tell bye ,and at the end they made it look as if it was a procession

@snorkijevka

4 жыл бұрын

this is chatolic church singing in Croatia... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fm17rNafXafRnco.html

@johannscoins657

4 жыл бұрын

StratKruzer No, there are examples to be found in liberal parts of the Orthodox world

I'm Eastern Orthodox and I know that isn't what the Catholic Church looks like.

@kuyachamp7618

4 жыл бұрын

The guys should've took a video from Vatican or other basilicas churches

@evangelosnikitopoulos

4 жыл бұрын

But the fact that it's possible says a lot.

@johannscoins657

4 жыл бұрын

Nice to see someone who does

@TheCleanTech

3 жыл бұрын

@Bloreen Kobux all Eastern Churchs used to be Catholic

@TheCleanTech

3 жыл бұрын

@Bloreen Kobux the Lantin mass is a better representation Catholic theology , and Cathilic tradition. The new mass is a simplified version , and can be said well with reverence, unfortunately we find to often liturgical abuses creep in to the new mass , more or less depending on the parish. I'm one of many Catholics who are heart broken over this . I pray for the Bishops to correct these problems.

I'm a Catholic here in the Philippines and it's more better to attend a mass here in my country because the churches here still follows the traditions way back to the spanish era and it's more peaceful and sacred.

@GreekOrthodoxChurchRblx

Жыл бұрын

Join ark of salvation orthodoxy! Reason why catholic church illegimate: 1.why theres is god like leader? Why they don’t accept christ as leader but pontiff? 2.its not agreed that rome is sovergin by ecumenical council. 3.all bishops must be equal,theres no leader like main bishop.

@RS-tp3uu

Жыл бұрын

@@GreekOrthodoxChurchRblx Jesus left Saint Peter in charge

@GreekOrthodoxChurchRblx

Жыл бұрын

@@RS-tp3uu no god always leader St.peter didn’t left him

@Europesigma

Жыл бұрын

@@GreekOrthodoxChurchRblx actually say with the original church

@Europesigma

Жыл бұрын

@@GreekOrthodoxChurchRblx some Catholic chirches oare more traditional

I am an italian Catholic Cristian, and I have something to say about that. This video isn't objective at all: you are trying to manipulate the public. You are comparing the liturgy and worship of an Orthodox Church with the one of a veeery weird brazilian Church. European Catholics would find blasphemous and extremely inappropriate this wild cerimony, so it's unfair to portray a faith of Millions people with a ridiculous collage. For sure you have never seen a Catholic worship. Plus, you should be ashamed as a Christian for incite hatred, rather than find and promote the common points between our Churches. Greetings

@chiaraz.3004

9 жыл бұрын

***** I can give you my own explanation, even if I'm not a theologian or an historian. Catholicism as well as Christianity is a global widespread religion, so during centuries, it adapted to the local cultures. For this reason you can find multiple and different versions of Catholicism. Maybe in that area of Brazil, people are very festive or fun-loving, so they created a carnival-like Liturgy. Of course I'm horrified, but what do you expect, an intervention of the Inquisition, or an excommunication? By the way I think it's completely ignorant to compare a little crazy situation with the Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which is a much more bigger reality. I have attended many Orthodox ceremonies, and I have never felt any distance or discrimination. How many of you can say to have experienced the different? Happy Catholic Christmas, and to the Orthodox friends, we will celebrate the January 7th :)

@HoboBob

9 жыл бұрын

I would agree that the intent of this posting is unfair.

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

Chiara: I have seen garbage like this in American Catholic Churches.

@allies7184

9 жыл бұрын

Thomas Carney Not in U.S. Churches.

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

Allie S: try Milwaukee WI with "Liturgical Dance" under Weakland. Clown Masses all over the nation. "Buddhist" Masses in New Mexico. I have seen it here in the USA.

I truly respect Orthodox Church. However, things showed in this video in comparison to Orthodox Ceremony do NOT happen in Catholic Church. Please share the truth insead of falsehood and at least go see the Catholic Ceremony prior to putting your beliefs in public.

@henzlarry8965

3 жыл бұрын

Oh orthodox priest have sin they are able to marry but chatolic priest doesntandnit was said by the bible that you shouldn't. Compare me to a person serve only me forever and ever

@chrispalo7028

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously these things DO happen in Catholic churches.

@0hhtecMusicianTheNotecianHero

2 жыл бұрын

@@henzlarry8965 that's Donatism (a condemned heresy) and forcing priests to be cellibate is a western innovation.

I am a Roman Catholic and I must say that this is not the true catholic divine liturgy, but a liturgical abuse. Unfortunately, it happens more frequently than we would like. But liturgical rules, if correctly and faithfully followed, would produce a ceremony very different than this one showed in this video. And it is totally unfair with priests faithfull to the liturgy as prescripted by the Catholic Church to show this video as if this abomination were happening in all catholic temples. I am a testimony that it is not.

5:35 Looks more like Rio's Carnival than a Bible Procession. I've never seen anything like it at Catholic Cathedral.

@ngulminthang

9 жыл бұрын

The Gospel on a circus Ladder and people swinging around it. I think they have crossed the limits.

@wes6363

5 жыл бұрын

That's because it's NOT Catholic. This liar uses a Vatican II, heretical "mass"

@Katholikos78

5 жыл бұрын

@@wes6363 uh Vatican II Novus Ordo is a valid Catholic Mass. You must be a Latin schismatic?

@wes6363

5 жыл бұрын

Steven Wright - No, I avoided the schism by retaining the Catholic faith.

@wes6363

5 жыл бұрын

Steven Wright - I don't like to spit in the face of Christ, so i don't attend Vatican II anti mass

As we say in french : "comparaison n'est pas raison". Orthodox chistianity isn't just russian (and specially this one, the one of Moscow's Patriarchate...) and Catholicism isn't only this brazilian show. ;-)

@Isphanian

10 жыл бұрын

The difference is that you see these pathetic shows in every continent of the Earth in the Papist World. You don't see that in Russia, nor in Jerusalem, Georgia, Serbia, etc...

@alentejaneiro

10 жыл бұрын

What do papist want ? To go on ruling what they consider beeing their world. What do the New Evangelical churches want ? Make money and end with the Papist power. Do you think some Orthodox Churches aren't looking for gold and power too ? Sorry, but about some o'them, I don't think they just seek for purity and holiness...

@user-et8vm9cc3t

4 жыл бұрын

@@alentejaneiro They are all human institutions and as such will all have flaws and scandals.

@0hhtecMusicianTheNotecianHero

2 жыл бұрын

@@alentejaneiro our Church isn't a house of cards unlike the papacy

@Brother_Piner

2 жыл бұрын

@@0hhtecMusicianTheNotecianHero That’s because it toppled centuries ago.

I'm catholic but I've never seen like this before .

@alipiofernandes1

8 жыл бұрын

+John Smith That are video from the charismatic group here from Brazil.

@rajkiranthomas3579

6 жыл бұрын

Now you see wierd things happening in your Church

@mirkomelbourne

2 жыл бұрын

Unbelievable

orthodoxs and catholics we are all brothers in our lord Jesus Christ!!! God bless all of you !!!

@tinamak8011

8 жыл бұрын

amen

@giorgiamiranashvili4734

8 жыл бұрын

never say this anymore as orthodox i say that catholic are not christian and it is heresy

@transman2056

8 жыл бұрын

+Giorgi Amiranashviliil I'm catholic , I love God

@lonels

8 жыл бұрын

true orthodox real cristian and true way catholick is nothing

@ragingbull8024

8 жыл бұрын

+Giorgi Amiranashvili,the Creed your talking about is NOT written in bible.Its man made,not god made.

"Children of God,all one family".How can such a video help to promote unity and true Christianity?

This is obviously a very biased, unfair comparison. The Catholic Church has very beautiful liturgical rites, some basically identical as the ones celebrated by the Orthodox. There has been a lot of liturgical negligence here and there, unfortunately, sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that we also celebrate the Divine Liturgy (Mass) in ways that are unique and extremely beautiful.

@CristianoUniversal

8 жыл бұрын

Чварков Ђорђе - Well, you can either show where Rome supports liturgical abuses like these or else just look like a person of a big mouth and no idea of what he's saying.

@CristianoUniversal

8 жыл бұрын

***** - Sure.

@pupak7433

8 жыл бұрын

Juan Salinas Rome supports it by not excommunicating the bishops who perform these abuses.

@CristianoUniversal

8 жыл бұрын

Чварков Ђорђе - I can only let the responsible men (even if among them are the Pope and bishops) give account to God for their way of serving Him. You are being very judgemental and are committing the mistake of generalizing.

@freedomtowerinUS

8 жыл бұрын

+Чварков Ђорђе The issue is that he compared an Orthodox Liturgy to a Catholic service, not a Mass, and that's the obvious clear part about it. That "Gospel procession" never took place during a Mass. Secondly, if you read Vatican 2 documents and the Mass liturgy, then you'd actually realize that Cardinals and Bishops do not support or encourage a Mass like this. Thirdly, devotions to God are not lame in any light. Regardless of what religion this is, criticizing someone's worship of God is childish

I am neither Orthodox or Catholic but I have attended services of both confessions. Its sad that whoever put this together created a propaganda piece for the orthodox church at the expense of the Catholic faith. Shame on you!!!

@anninoschristoforou3442

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/eXqF2ch9k8faiZc.html

@kuyachamp7618

4 жыл бұрын

@Joshua张志鸿 That's cute.

@kuyachamp7618

4 жыл бұрын

@Joshua张志鸿 Go eat your batsoup.

@MS-Hussain

4 жыл бұрын

Don't fight brother's. Read a copy of Qur'an and understand what god's message for humanity is. All prophets have the same message. The message is there is no god but Allah (God) and Muhammad is his prophet. Similarly for other prophets. But as time passed people changed/mixed/ added/substracted bible and moved astray. So a new prophet comes.

@benblake479

4 жыл бұрын

@@MS-Hussain the Quran is corrupt.

I am A Orthodox myself with Serbian background. I've attended a few Catholic masses and I must say that sadly The Catholic Church has lost its way. From 1052 you have lost your way of the teachings due to power and greed. Europe once had four popes at the same time vying for power. Since then it has been a steady decline to a point where it is a joke. You Catholics need to get back to the true teachings of the apostolic church or leave her and come back to the one and true apostolic church which is Orthodoxy. Just my thoughts. May God guide you back to the original church, Amen.

@danielmp-007

10 жыл бұрын

Orthodox or catholics same difference. They both practice IDOLATRY, and follow human traditions that are not Biblical. There is only one Leader of the Church and that is Our Lord Jesus Christ, and not some human performing satanic rituals. (Hebrews 4:14, 15)

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

Dalia Thompson The Orthodox are not idolaters. Idolatry is specifically condemned by the Seventh Ecumenical Council. If anyone at an Orthodox church dares to attribute to an icon or a saint the worship due to God alone, they are anathema (excommunicated and accursed). Indeed the Greek word eikon differs from the word eidol, in that an idol is an image that is to be worshipped, whereas an eikon is any representational art (think about the icons on your iPhone or your PC and you get the idea). Historically, the Jews themselves used images in worship, and like the Orthodox, did not worship them, but venerated them, the most prominent examples being the sculpted Cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant, and the rich iconography excavated at various ancient Jewish synagogues, such as at Dura Europos in Syria. The idea that any use of imagery whatsoever is idolatry is of Islamic origin; the Byzantine Emperor attempted to ban icons in order to make a peace gesture to the Muslims, which failed, and the Seventh Ecumenical Council condemned him and the iconoclasts as heretics; at the same time, there were idolaters in the church as well, who did worship the icons, and did things like scratch off bits of paint and mix it in with the Communion wine, and they were also anathematized. Martin Luther, most Anglicans since the 19th century, and indeed most Protestants share our views on this subject. Protestants tend to use stained glass windows as iconography; Roman Catholics prefer statues, and we prefer paintings, but the effect is the same: to represent on Earth the heavenly realm above. That this is permissible is because the incarnate Word became Man, Jesus Christ, and thus to reject icons is to reject the reality of the Incarnation, for men did see God the Word, the Son of God, Jesus Christ, with their eyes.

@Whykleisha

10 жыл бұрын

God COMMANDED the use of images for HIS glory only. He never said anything about making images of Mary or dead people and then worshiping them. You Catholics and Orthodox go around your church making out with your heretical "icons." Repent and believe in the true God. You only need to seek salvation in Jesus Christ and accept Him as your personal Lord ans Savior. Idolatry is condemned in the Bible and in the 10 commandments. You only need to repent and accept Jesus as your savior and Lord. It matters not how much you kiss and make out with your idols but you will never find salvation in them. Salvation is only found in Jesus Christ ALONE.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

Dalia Thompson As I said in my previous post, we do NOT worship any icons, even those icons of Jesus Christ; worship is due ONLY to God the Holy Trinity. Anyone who worships an icon in the Orthodox church is subject to excommunication. We venerate icons of our saints in the same manner you venerate photographs you may have of your deceased relatives, but we do not worship them. We ask for their prayers, along with the prayers of the living, but we do not pray to them, and we do not believe they have the power to answer our prayers, only to pray for us, as they are members of the Church Triumphant, and they can pray, just as members of the Church Militant can on Earth. Anyone who worships a saint, or who worships an icon, even an icon of Jesus Christ, is anathema.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

IAWC - Support Persecuted Christians Lastly the Orthodox Church entirely agrees that salvation is found through Christ alone, and that Mary was in need of this salvation as much as anyone else; it is some Catholics who believe Mary to be the co-redemptrix (although even that is not the official doctrine of the Roman church, as much as their official Mariolatry must make the good Lady blush).

Thank you fore posting. I am a Roman Catholic who attended Orthodox Masses while on St George Island, Alaska. I was truly impressed with the Clergy and also my fellow worshippers.

I am Orthodox , and the mass show here is unfair because it is a daft charismatic guitar mass in central or South America. But even the Tridentine mass pales to The Divine Liturgy . Also this is a Hierarchal Liturgy .

Simply gorgeous. The Orthodox Mass leaves me yearning for the Face of God Creator/Redeemer... Thank you for posting.

@samuellin9865

Жыл бұрын

Catholics have Eastern rites too

The purpose of this video was to mock people. Notice how the poster didn't put up a video from the Vatican or any proper Catholic Cathedral Latin service.

@ayiosgeorgios5487

8 жыл бұрын

I do agree this is perhaps a biased representation regarding modern Roman worship... never the less... it exists and is allowed. The problem isnt trying to find a more "traditional service" in regards to the Vatican... The problem les within the Vatican itself.. It is a fireign religion void of historical and preserved Christian Truth.

To make a real comparison you should compare the orthodox with The Catholic Church in Rome, because in Brazil we live in a situation that our bishops doesn't quite obey Rome, culminating in stuff like that.

@anninoschristoforou3442

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/eXqF2ch9k8faiZc.html

@TheRealRealOK

4 жыл бұрын

Lara 1 Nah, clown masses are valid in Papism.

@Brother_Piner

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRealRealOK The fact that you call it papism, and not Catholicism shows your bias. Only those who hate the church and will do anything to slander it call it papism. Use real terms, I’m not calling Orthodoxy “patriarchism”.

@mariorizkallah5383

Жыл бұрын

@@Brother_Piner it is papism, since you follow the pope

I attend Orthodox church and I want to say this video is horrible. No one should make such a video, there is nothing respectful about it. There is no competition between anyone venerating, and the mere thought of anything such as this video makes me want to smash my computer into pieces.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

I do in part agree with you, although I think the poster of this video was trying to warn the Orthodox of a dangerous problem the Roman church is wrestling with, which is at risk of infecting our own communions. There is always a danger in polemics of degenerating into nationalism or triumphalism, but I don't see that here; I rather see a video that looks to me like it can serve both as a valuable warning to the Orthodox, and as a wake up call to Catholics. When you see the profoundly negative reaction Catholics have at seeing this video, when they realize such gross impiety is occurring routinely in their church, one cannot help but feel that this video might contribute positively to the very important effort on the part of the Catholic church to reform itself, and purge itself of the Modernist heresy, which is certainly a prerequisite for the full reconciliation between them and the East, that I am sure that we both desire.

@CPRamos

10 жыл бұрын

IAWC - Support Persecuted Christians I agree with both of you. As someone that attends both forms of the Catholic Mass Ordinary and Extraordinary, I very much acknowledge I've seen liturgical abuse in the Novus Ordo, so yes, if strict rules are not observed bad things can happen at times. No faithful person who wants to give reverence to God would, or should accept that. At the same time, this video is just to mock the few instances where rubrics are not followed. It's very prideful and arrogant on your part to whomever posted it What's really unfortunate is you give no respect to your fellow Orthodox who do not condone or defend the point you're trying to make. I hope Catholics as well do not do this with protestant liturgy, it's equally as demeaning and I as Catholic would not want any part in it. Not in Gods name.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

CP Ramos It should be noted that it has always been legitimate to mock heretics. St. Irenaeus hillariously satirized Valentinian Gnosticism in Against Heresies. St. Elijah, whose holiness got him direct access to Heaven in a chariot of fire, openly ridiculed priests of Baal. The liturgical abuses depicted in this video are blasphemies, as bad as anything taught by Valentinus, and deserve nothing less than mocking and condemnation. Thus, its entirely wrong of you to describe this video, which does not even comment on that which it depicts, but merely presents excerpts of actual occurences, as prideful or arrogant, given that in the grand scheme of polemics, this is rather mild. One would be entirely justified in going far beyond the mild criticism this offers, in regards to liturgical abuses (and as a delightful example of such heresiology, take a look at the blog "Bad Vestments.")

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

IAWC - Support Persecuted Christians I should lastly say that the idea that it is somehow unchristian to make fun of, ridicule or lambast non-Christian religions or heresies is a novel one; both the Bible and the Patristic tradition are full of valiant saints who defeat, through firery and at times very humorous rhetoric, the enemies of God.

@CPRamos

10 жыл бұрын

IAWC - Support Persecuted Christians Well if your Tradition teaches you to mock others to change their hearts, so that it will bring them to the Truth of Jesus' Gospel, then that to me speaks for itself. And my point completely flew over your head. Catholics like myself who attend the Tridentine Mass never see anything remotely depicted in the video, and never will. So the bias and mockery presented in the video paints things with a very broad brush. Furthermore, I doubt the fiery ideological justification you mention would apply to Catholics of the Byzantine Rite who use the divine liturgy. Of course you'll say that's because they conform to your Orthodox standards. If these types of videos brings joy and justification to your heart and mind then feed off it lol You can learn some humility by reading what Michael Lunz wrote,he'll bring more people to the Orthodox Church as well as the plight of the persecuted Christians in the Middle East and Africa, than the ideologue factions of your church.

i watched up to 1:31 and then realise you aren't interested in a general comparison... just anti-catholic anti-anything not orthodox. you chose the most solemn patriarchal entrance, but the most relaxed archbishopric entrance. thanks for increasing the gap in christian unity.

@ajosephcirene

9 жыл бұрын

thedoctorplusone Not sure who your post was meant for but I totally agree with you on everything you said and you said it well.

May our Sovereign God gives us divine wisdom, grace and true repentance!

You could have chosen a proper Pontifical High Mass in the Tridentine Rite as your Catholic example instead of that circus show.

@TheUlrix

3 жыл бұрын

Such Circus show is Roman chatholic church in Brasil that forbid tridentina rite

@kaizarchan

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheUlrixHe took some of the worst examples of catholicism practices that is in Brasil (again)...

@OrthoFireCrusader

2 жыл бұрын

Most of catholic masses are a circus show, every local Catholic Church I go to is like this

@mariorizkallah5383

Жыл бұрын

@@kaizarchan hmm lets see what is taking place in rome, oh whats that? pope francis places an idol on the altar? interesting

@Nicholas-bc3qt

11 ай бұрын

@@mariorizkallah5383why are you being so uncharitable? Do you feel like a good witness to the Romans? Before I converted to Orthodoxy, I attended beautiful Tridentine Liturgies and was in a large community of faithful traditional Roman Catholics. A lot of us convert to Orthodoxy. By God’s grace I never encountered someone like you. Only Orthodox who were very so sympathetic to the plight of Traditional Catholics.

As an American Roman Catholic and an attendee of Mass in both the ordinary (Novus Ordo) and extraordinary (Latin/Traditional) forms (and several Orthodox Masses of family/friends of the Greek and Ukrainian Rite...), I find this portrayal of Catholicism in particular to be appalling and grossly misleading. In my 30+ years attending thousands of Masses in many US states, Canada and many Catholic churches in several European countries as well as one in China when I taught there, I have NEVER attended a Catholic Mass conducted in such a way! This video does NOT in any way that I have ever experienced depict the actual and true liturgical practices that takes place in a Catholic church... Anyone who watches this video, please take note it was created in a very purposefully biased way. To accurately understand and witness the common "liturgical practices" of either the Orthodox or Catholic church, go to a Mass at each church on your own and talk with the parishioners (laity), religious (sisters, brothers, deacons and priests. Relying on such a faux perception as this is highly misleading and manipulative. Praying for 'theomimesis' who chose to do this...

As a traditional Roman Catholic, I object strongly to this unfair portrayal of our faith. Many a Pope since Vatican II has issued statements in condemnation of the type of nonsense here. It is something we have a big problem with, but if you would simply show the true Latin Mass, preformed ad orientem as it was intended to be, you'd realize our liturgy is also very beautiful. And as far as the sex scandals go, keep in mind that, while indictments are handed out often, comparatively few arrests are made. There is no proof Catholic priests are more guilty of child molestation than any other group. A good lawer can get a ham sandwich to appear before a judge. And the lawyer is ALWAYS a Jew. I don't think I have to explain to my separated Orthodox brethren what it's like to be targeted by those godless people.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

There is another longer video that shows a more balanced comparison of the two liturgical traditions. This video is basically comparing a sort of "Worst of Catholicism" to a typical Orthodox service. That said, the point, from an Orthodox perspective, is that before we can make progress with ecumenical dialogue, Rome needs to get her liturgical house in order.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

***** I highly agree, and I think the Roman Catholic church is moving in that direction; thanks be to God!

@Gestr3482

10 жыл бұрын

***** First of all, it is not incumbent upon us to change a shred of our doctrine. While our liturgical house has fallen into disarray due to the subversion of Jews, homosexuals, Freemasons, and Communists that have infiltrated our seminaries, our Doctrine has remained. You 'orthodox' preach a lousy doctrine, which is why you tolerate evils like contraception, and Russians practice abortion at truly cataclysmic levels. Your Marian teaching is wrong, and you must renounce it. She was conceived immaculate. If this is not understood, then she is not the Ark of the New Covenant. But Luke makes it clear, using OT types, that she is. ABSENT THAT UNDERSTANDING, THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT FULFILL THE COVENANT. A denial of the Immaculate Conception is close to apostasy. Every other teaching is ok by us, in my opinion. You don't want the filioque, don't use it, like Eastern churches that aren't in schism. But don't tell us it's a heresy. We believe in Consubstantialism. As I understand it, so do you. That given, not saying 'filioque' is just a point of emphasis. Look, the fact is you all can't get a council together, so it follows that you don't know how to define heresy. I'm sure videos like this make you all feel very warm and toasty inside, because you can take some Brazilian parade and make it seem like this is what Catholics do everyday, when Russians preserve a very beautiful (and, near as I can tell, unproblematic) liturgy. But, the truth is your doctrinal house is as disordered as our liturgical.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

DemilichFan From my standpoint as a member of the Syriac Orthodox Church, I do not object to the immaculate conception of Mary, but I would say that she was as much in need of salvation by Christ as anyone else. The Syriac Orthodox Church officially believes in the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary, which is not unreasonable; if Enoch and Elijah could ascend directly into Heaven, then surely Mary is deserving of the same honor. If she was not taken up into heaven, either before or immediately after death, then one finds oneself with the rather pressing question, as to where are her remains?

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

DemilichFan I should also say, that the only Marian devotion in the Roman church that I consider to be problematic is that to the Immaculate Heart; devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus strikes me as Nestorian, and devotion to a body part of a saint, aside from a preserved relic, is utterly bizarre.

Having been raised Catholic as a child but returning back to my Orthodox Christian roots, I cannot deny the deep reverence, respect and power that comes out from an Orthodox liturgy compared with a Catholic mass. You certainly see that the Orthodox Church has kept all its traditions with great pride, whereas most of the Catholic Church has modernised quite alot of itself to remain 'popular' with changing times. I also find that people of the Orthodox faith tend to fast and really uphold their beliefs alot more than Catholics in general. I am not saying that one is better than the other, they are both Apostolic Churches and I deeply respect both.

The Orthodox liturgy was truly beautiful! To be in the presence of God is awe inspiring!

This is not representative of the Latin rite of the Holy Mass! I think the Divine Liturgy is beautiful but our rite is beautiful too and I do not see the real Roman Latin rite in this video!

@orthodoxchurch7466

8 жыл бұрын

+TheSwissMan95 Complain to Vatican II, not to us.

@turinderiv

8 жыл бұрын

+Orthodox Church The Novus Ordo of the Roman Rite can be beautiful too!

@Naora92

8 жыл бұрын

+Orthodox Church please read motu proprio "summorum pontificum" of Pope Benedict XVI :) Vatican II not forbidden the Latin Mass ! NEVER ! This is beautiful catolic Rite!

@stefancazacu4131

8 жыл бұрын

+Natalia Marfik hey I'm living in Moldova Orthodox .I want to talk to someone you may even want to know how you are thinking how to spend liturgies is absolutely trivial to believe in Catholic liturgy 's circus

@stefancazacu4131

8 жыл бұрын

+GangPrakStur ok make you one video

Obviously this post presents a complete distortion of the picture, there are many similarities between Orthodox and Catholic liturgy and churches yet each has apostolic succession and many unique difference/fundamentals - what we see here is not an authentic comparison and perhaps deliberate... + Deacon Athanasius (Orthodox Christian and repenting sinner)

Where i can find the full Orthodox Liturgy from the video?

hahaha... I'm Brazilian and this is here next to where I live... but you put this was so unfair with this... you change the song in it.... it is Our Lady of Aparecida Sanctuary.... and this maybe have happened in 12 October... our Lady day and children's day in Brazil too... so please... be honest when you try to do a video... now I have a total different vision of Orthodox folks... I used to think that you are serious but after it I just have too thanks God for being Roman Catholic by Jesus and His Mother and Mine! have peace...

@alexanderpanin888

7 жыл бұрын

Man, take it easy. This video is just a joke (not very good one) on the Internet. With love and respect, Greek Orthodox

@SirAdrian87

7 жыл бұрын

Regardless of which song he used what happens after minute 5 is not normal and does not belong in any church

@danilothatsme

7 жыл бұрын

Delta De Venus OK... 1st: This children dressed like angels and the other stuff are NOT common.. This is the first time I see something like it. 2nd: like I said before, in Brazil Our Lady's day is 12nd October and the children's day is 12nd October too.. and 3rd: yeah! that was just the Bible entering... I mean, maybe they tried to do something theatrical there... why not? why not just a time? as I said, I never see something like that in masses from here, maybe in that day they did it. So comparing one random footage and pretending that in ALL CATHOLIC MASSES this happens is kind of shameful :) so as you said: Jesus Christ! And I keep on the church that Christ himself created! Have a nice day and a (late) merry Christmas ;)

@leonlionheart5927

7 жыл бұрын

@Danilo ramos Well, yes it is unfair to manipulate videos in such way, I agree. But also would not be fair to think because one minor kid who make this video to think all orthodoxian are like him. Your statement "thanks god for being Roman Catholic" makes you look arrogant and superior over your sisters and brothers in Christ. Do you don't think so? Sometimes I see the behavior of christians then I think christians are not much better than muslims. This would be very sad. However, take care and may you have a good life!

@user-xc1fq2qy8y

6 жыл бұрын

Danilo Ramos no the song is unchanged and please read the description of the video

I am Orthodox now, but was raised RC. I left party because of Vatican II. Of course, I had a few other reason to leave. (Yes, I am an old man.) I remember things getting a little wild after Vatican II, but not this wild. I tend to agree that we should have some way to confirm if this was something that really did happen at an RC service.

@marcosleaoteodosio5496

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, yes. This outrageous mass happened in Aparecida Basílica. Since Vatican II, masses in Brazil kept going worse and worse, some kind of woke religion took control of the once known as Una Sancta Catholica et Apostólica Eclesia...😢😢😢

Nonsense... if you are going to compare something do it honestly. This is just wrong !

@arthegor

10 жыл бұрын

I love how you comment is right but still the real comparison in in the comments not the video lol

I am chatolic but I never seen the mass like in this video. What mass is that? In what chruch?

I have never seen the Holy Mass celebrated like that.It is time the message of Our Lord.the message of love and reconciliation,is what really matters,not comparisons in practice.God is love!.

Catholic practices really tend to differ from country and cultures. From the Catholic practices in the video, it could be only be applicable to Brazilian or South American Catholics due to the fact that many elements of the local culture has been infused into the Order of the Mass. Orthodox practices would stay the same no matter where you would go. So it would be ridiculous to actually compare due to the fact that the Catholic Church would differ slightly from culture to culture while...

Should have compared a traditional latin Catholic mass with the Orthodox service. This is a joke, comparing a post Vatican 2 one (especially a really nutso "liberal" one) with the Eastern orthodox, which never actually had any Vatican 2 style changes. I was hoping to see a comparison of the core beliefs as practiced in a mass. No such luck.

@russianchristianity

Жыл бұрын

Especially with the Orthodox service with the Patriarch present. It's like an exceptional thing given the size of the church

This is why I've chosen to be Russian Orthodox and not Roman Catholic.

@KingElrosTarMinyatur

9 жыл бұрын

ObnoxiousAgnostic This video is not Catholic, it is protestant...

@Xavier-vy6md

8 жыл бұрын

+WanderLink orthodox divine liturgy*

What's the name of what they're chanting when the Patriarch steps out and makes the sign of the Cross over the congregation?

@orthodoxchurch7466

7 жыл бұрын

Ispola Eti Despota

I live in Chile a mostly catholic country of South America and yes, I have watched ridiculous things in the Holy Mass. Old women singing out of tune cheesy songs, weird dances, and all that. The sad thing is that in Latin America the only apostolic church known here is the catholic, so they say it's the "original, preserved church that Christ founded". It's all they know. They don't know that exist the even more preserved and the only original, the holy Catholic Orthodox church.

@the-chillian

8 жыл бұрын

+Magda Abdulmasih Well. To be perfectly fair, old women sing out of tune (and loudly) in churches of every confession the world over. You can probably go to some animist chicken sacrifice in the middle of Africa and find an old woman chanting out of tune and out of rhythm.

@khaterrehs.6485

8 жыл бұрын

+Lytrigian I wish I could "like" your comment a hundred times. So funny and very true!

@mehariyasu5707

8 жыл бұрын

Lytrigian It's true, but not in a serious byzantine church choir

@the-chillian

8 жыл бұрын

Magda Abdulmasih It most certainly is. If you think otherwise, you cannot have heard very many Byzantine-rite church choirs.

@panolete

8 жыл бұрын

+Lytrigian your comment it's really true and....funny ;)

I understand the Romans do things differently than we do; however this is not a fair apples to apples comparison.

@arosado8563

9 жыл бұрын

well said. BTW for those who dont know some Eastern Churches are in Union with the Catholic church. I love icons.

@ottotheweinerdog676

9 жыл бұрын

Icons are central to the veneration of Christ, the Blessed Mother, and the saints...they are I believe essential to traditional Christian worship

@arosado8563

9 жыл бұрын

Roman Catholics are one of the Rites of the Catholic Church.

@arosado8563

9 жыл бұрын

+Jacob Good that would fall in line with Orthodox Theology. We do consider ourselves the Catholic Church and so does the rest of.the world. These are little difference s I hope to see reconciled in my lifetime. We have much more in common. The Saints, Apostolic Succession, The Blessed Mother and most importantly Our Eucharistic Lord. I make the sign of the cross when I pass an Orthodox Church. One time I even venerated relics in an Orthodox Church while in Uniform. The people where happy to have us. The Orthodox bishop had no problem with us venerating the relics.

@arosado8563

9 жыл бұрын

+jacob good we were all one before the Major Schism. The East broke away. The filioque can be understood correctly with both interpretations. The Pope is Infalliable only when speaking ex cathedra on faith and morals. Using the term heresy does not help in the Ecumenical movement. Many positive steps have taken place on the last 50 years.

Hi...can i know why there is some nun wear white head cover and others wear the black one??

Pleeeeease! Help me find this song from the first video with catholic! With words "los alegria", this one! What the song is it?

Very poor comparison between 2 churches.

Ahahaha why so many dislikes??? 😂😭 Long Live Orthodoxy 🙏🏻☦️

@jakekOK

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe because people understand that God is not a religion

@indraduru70

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahah because the video is just a lie😂 This is the real catholic liturgy kzread.info/dash/bejne/rJeDts2bmM-reco.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/fX5tprygn5fIcrA.html

How do you get the Greek letters?

Which Orthodox Church is the one in this video?

As one of the posters below stated, Rome does indeed need to get her liturgical house in order, and I say this as an unapologetic Roman Catholic. That said, this video is a joke and the poster cannot be taken as anything other than a troll for presenting the worst excesses of the post-Vatican II Roman Church as the norm. It isn't, despite all the troubles we are having with liturgical abuse

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

That was me actually, and yes, I agree, the video is trolling. There is a longer 11 minute video that offers a more balanced comparison.

@heydrewskie

10 жыл бұрын

But see, this is such an American plague, both North and South. But in Rome, and most parts of Europe, true reverence still exists. That's the issue with the Novus Ordo; not that it necessarily was meant to be Modernist, but many parishes with a heavy Protestant force locally affected the Mass. That's why the Latin Mass is the better form. Though BOTH forms are valid, the Latin mass leaves no room for error, irreverence, or liberalism. But I agree, these abuses need to be addressed and dealt with, along with the lack of Catholic identity and devotion.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

I do agree with you in general, but with one exception: some of the most severe liturgical abuses recorded have been in Europe; there is a priest who does "Circus Masses" in Switzerland, and meanwhile the archidocese of Cardinal Schonburn, an ultra-liberal figure, is a haven for all sorts of irreverance of the same sort experienced in the US.

I'm Orthodox and I will admit that this is a poor comparison. An accurate comparison would have been a Russian Orthodox Patriarchal liturgy at Christ the Savior in Moscow with a Papal mass as St. Peter's in Rome.

@TheRealRealOK

4 жыл бұрын

TDZ Exactly.

Where do I get the songs from the orthodox practice?

i am curious about what is being venerated at 0:45 of the video?

@lorenzoc.b.9809

8 жыл бұрын

Probably they are relics of a saint. Orthodoxes love relics

I'm Roman Catholic. I have gone to many Divine Liturgies. I love both Rites. I'm appalled at this video. Do you really believe that Our Lord Jesus Christ would approve? How can one judge a persons faith by the style of their worship? You can't. So you make a film of one Catholic Mass that's chaotic and judge the Catholic faithful? If you are an example of an Orthodox faithful. Why would I want to go?

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

Are you out of your mind? Lex orandi, lex credendi. "How you worship, how you believe." If you debase your liturgy/worship you debase your theology.

@Gumboz1953

9 жыл бұрын

Our Lord Jesus Christ would approve of anything that brings us closer to Him. While I think the Catholic service was weird, I doubt that the Orthodox rite is much better. It's a bunch of old men in funny costumes, separated from the people -with the congregation just spectators. I doubt that's what He had in mind at the Last Supper.

@WitPST

9 жыл бұрын

This is not catholic Liturgy! Compare traditional latin Mass to orthodox Divine Liturgy and you will see that both rites are saint!

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

S4andy63: I have seen Masses like this in California, Mexico and Illinois. The Catholic Church has divorced itself from its Holy Tradition and is adrift. Now we have a Modernist Pope who puts down traditional Catholics.

@Master_Blackthorne

9 жыл бұрын

Gumboz1953 I really don't think you understand Orthodox Worship--how can you from a few minutes of video? BTW, do you know the music they're using in the Latin Mass is called "The March of the Gladiators?" It's used in circuses! There is no piety or humility when you debase worship with that secular noise.

This video is biased to Orthodoxy. I am Catholic, and I'd never seen a Catholic liturgy like this before... Show the real Catholic liturgy that they may know the truth.

@anninoschristoforou3442

5 жыл бұрын

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I am a Roman Catholic and I am appalled at what is depicted here as the practices of the Latin Rite. In my 52 years on this earth I have never ever seen anything this outrageous. It is displays like this that give Catholicism a bad name. The Protestants that have commented here are having a field day. Outrageous, simply outrageous.

You have to add the keyboard layout. If you use windows go under "Settings"=>"Control Panel"=>"Regional and Language Options". Under the "Language" tab choose "Text Services and Input Languages". From there you can add additional the Greek keyboard. When you do that a Language bar will appear at the bottom of your desktop tray where you can easily change between English and Greek. :)

I was going to say that, to be fair, you would need to compare similar services from the same culture. Say, RC in Greece compared to Orthodox in Greece, and both, say, a hierarchical liturgy for Holy Thursday. Then I saw that....thing.....in the RC service. I was raised RC, kind of remember the Mass in Latin. Fully as reverent and inspiring as the Orthodox Liturgy (should be, since both are the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom).

Im Catholic and ive never seen such a Mass before... if you want to do the comparison for sound purposes just put the papal Mass for example, i see no need for this comparison and especially the way it's done here, we are both Christ's Church and soldiers, we are ONE as the Father Son Holy Spirit are ONE! †

@RomanCatholicTruth

10 жыл бұрын

The "mass" in this video is the new mass, which is not Catholic, it is the new mass which is invalid. The scary part though, is that most of "Catholicism" celebrates the invalid new mass! We must inform people to return to the Holy Tridentine Mass.

@tinaine1

10 жыл бұрын

Roman Catholic Truth This is NOT the "new mass"... I go to mass almost everyday and have never seen such a circus. Obviously this video was produced to ridicule Catholics and sublimize the Orthodox. Hasn´t 1,000 years of hatred and distrust been enough? Isn´t about time that ALL Christians began following Christ´s wishes?

@brumm3653

10 жыл бұрын

Roman Catholic Truth circus or not, it is still valid. please get out of your little schismatic sect, and fight for the church *in* the church.

@theleastofpilgrims3379

10 жыл бұрын

B Rumm It's certainly not schismatic for a Roman Catholic to prefer the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Mass, and to attend such masses as provided by their legitimate diocese under the instructions of Summorum Pontificum, issued by Benedict XVI. It is however certainly schismatic to attend those masses celebrated by SSPX, or the sedevacantists, or any number of other traditionalist groups, many of which are anti-Semitic. The SSPX in particular, with its chic website and premium private schools, has turned religious intolerance into a luxury brand, and no Christian of any denomination should have anything to do with it. I myself am not Catholic, but I routinely attend the Tridentine Mass as celebrated in my local diocese, as I love the beauty and elegance of it, and am a liturgical enthusiast. Interestingly enough, as a member of the Syriac Orthodox church, I am even allowed to take communion. The Catholic church ought to reform the new mass so that it exhibits the same solemn dignity as the Tridentine mass, by celebrating it ad orientem, discontinuing lay eucharistic ministers, using more traditional music, and clamping down hard on liturgical abuse.

@RomanCatholicTruth

10 жыл бұрын

tinaine1 It's the new mass, it's just an extreme version of it, it's still the new mass, the invalid mass of Satan.

That Bible procession was pretty ridiculous. Where did you get it from?

Papists stop complaining about the video. That is your official Liturgy now

This is not an unfair comparison. In fact less than 1% of Roman Catholics worldwide attend the old-style Latin Mass. Most Catholics today have never seen the Traditional Latin Mass. Most Catholics, the overwhelming majority, attend the Novus Ordo which is extremely plain, with the priest facing the people like an actor on stage, and the music usually insipid guitar pieces. In contrast, the Orthodox Divine Liturgy is always a solemn occasion, unchanged for the past 17 hundred years, always chanted with sung responses, always with incense, always with the Priest facing in the same direction as the people, ad orientem. The Roman Catholics are always interested in Aggiornamento, which means "updating." The Orthodox prefer traditions that are indeed timeless and beautiful. So it is not biased and it is not unfair. One can easily find similar videos of Roman Catholic Liturgical events very similar to this with the Pope himself participating.

@panolete

8 жыл бұрын

+James Thornton it's unfair because I've never seen kind of things ever. it's like a festival with clowns, etc inside of the temple when a liturgical celebration is going on..... Never ever. I'm from Chile where catholicism is majority and you may find a very simple almost poor liturgy with a couple guitars and chorus and just a priest or even a deacon ...

@Lyokoheros-KLPXTV

8 жыл бұрын

+James Thornton I not agree. Ok, maybe about(rather than less) 1% attend old-style Latin Mass, but in most greater cities it's available, it's not something, which happened "practicaly never"(like someone could deduce from Your comment). And what more... in my parish(and all in what i was in my country(Poland - whre catholicism is also majority of course)) such thing like in this movie NEVER happened. This doesn't look like catholic mass, it looks rather like protestant parody off mass(this what happened by protestant isn't mass - practicaly they have no priest, no liturgy, and no transubstantiation... in what they even don't belive(as far as I know)). Ok, maybe there are guitars in Novus Ordo Mass, but definitely not allways. In my parish there are 5 mass in Sunday(+1 Saturday in the evening) and the guitars plays only in two of them(or one, I'm not sure about mass at 10.00 a.m). So usually there are no guitars. And im sure, that even if somewhere(this propably was in latin America, acording to this what language i could hear(sound like spanish or something like that)) in the Catholic Church happend such protestant-like pathologies such things also happened in Eastern Orthodox Church. So it should compare pathologic Mass in Catholic and Southern Orthodox Church or normal mass(Novus Ordo or old-style) in both churches. Not pathologic Mass in Catholic Church with normal Mass in Eastern Orthodox Church(if it even was a normal and not extraordinary solemn Mass...). So this video is VERY unfair. It's only need to not be blind to see it.

@pokya-anakrantau8845

8 жыл бұрын

I fully agree with you

@pokya-anakrantau8845

8 жыл бұрын

I fully agree with you

orthodox the only and true religion with many proves! 'just' go to 'Holy Mount' Athos in Greece........ i'd say a much more but just dont feel like its right time and place to do it...

@skugricdonji5896

8 жыл бұрын

+Uros Djorgovic i think that orthodox christianity has keeped original rite, like Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandrian, Constantinople churches.

@homeyvansmack2345

8 жыл бұрын

+skugric donji I want to learn more about the Orthodox Church, but don't know where to start.

@zaidtaimeh1306

8 жыл бұрын

+Homey Van Smack try visiting an orthodox church, and ask for a priest or a bishop, and tell him or ask him what you want and he will help you

@homeyvansmack2345

8 жыл бұрын

+zaid “ByzantineOrthodox” taimeh We have Greek Orthodox near where I live. Is there much difference between the Orthodox denominations?

I find it ridiculous that people always use the most reverent versions of videos they can find for the Orthodox part and the most irreverent videos for the Catholic part.

So its confusing that either we go Roman or Orthodox Church

votre religion ne vous enseigne t-elle pas la charité chrétienne comme la plus grande des vertus ? Puis je vous rappeler que le démon est aussi appeler "le diviseur" et qu'il cherche tout simplement à diviser les chrétiens. Par ce genre de vidéo vous vous mettez au service de sa cause. Prions les uns pour les autres et regardons avec bienveillance nos différences loin des excès des uns et des autres (comme ici) par amour pour Le Christ Jésus Notre Seigneur.

Shouldn't the first caption be "KGB agent Mikhailov enters the church"? And, everything you show is also practiced by the church that is the TRUE recipient of the baptism of the Rus', The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.

@MegaTipdog

9 жыл бұрын

Thomas Athanasius Thomas, you are so right. This is a faked together production of a Russian Orthodox liturgy with as Brazilian non liturgical celebration of National Children's Day and festival day of Our Lady of Protection Immaculate Conception. As I exposed in another blog that has been removed from here, the circus music has been superimposed to suggest a circus. It does not fit. Russian Orthodox have convinced themselves they are the Second Byzantium and Third Rome. The Catholic is going more Christ being honored by Christ honoring His lowly. Which "circus" rows His boat.

@MegaTipdog

9 жыл бұрын

TGene ciarlo Oh yes. By the way. The Creole celebrating in St Peter's is the case in point of Catholicism allowing Creoles to honor God right at Mass. Get over yourselves everybody!

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

Gene ciarlo You lie through your teeth! That was a Mass in a real Catholic Cathedral!!!

I understand people having different styles of music and worship and all, but don't you think making a church service indistinguishable from a carnival might be overdoing it?

This is what happens when church services of any kind become entertainment. People may complain that this isn't a typical example of a Catholic mass. Maybe not. But it is a disgrace that it could happen at all. It certainly didn't happen in an Orthodox Church, and I guess that the real point.

قال الله سبحانه وتعالى :(( قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ تَعَالَوْا إِلَى كَلِمَةٍ سَوَاءٍ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلَّا نَعْبُدَ إِلَّا اللَّهَ وَلا نُشْرِكَ بِهِ شَيْئًا وَلا يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضًا أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ فَإِنْ تَوَلَّوْا فَقُولُوا اشْهَدُوا بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ )) صدق الله العظيم .. سورة آل عمران .. الاية (64)

@GreekOrthodox7

3 жыл бұрын

Quran is garbage and Muhammad the fake prophet is in hell burning forever.

This video is unfair. It is a shame that the Novus Ordo is susceptible to this. However, I have seen very nice Novus Ordo masses. Even though I still am not for the Novus Ordo personally since it's an oversimplification of the liturgy, it can still be nice. Thankfully the Latin mass is making a huge comeback in the Roman rite Catholic Church.

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

ὁ κατέχων Actually the Latin Mass is making a comeback but not a huge one. This present Modernist "pope" hates anything traditional. "Pope" Francis is the embodiment of Vatican II.

@user-pl7cr7vj5g

9 жыл бұрын

Thomas Carney Vatican II was actually a pretty conservative council. But, can you elaborate on how Pope Francis is a modernist?

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

ὁ κατέχων Vatican II conservative?? It was a revolution in the Church!!! Ambiguous documents and it completely changed Catholic worship!!! As for "Pope" Francis he hates anything traditional and his actions and words prove that. He puts down tradiational Catholics, he has dismembered the traditional Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, and wants, through machinations in the so-called "Family Synod" to welcome homosexual couples into the Church.

@user-pl7cr7vj5g

9 жыл бұрын

Thomas Carney Actually, it changed mass very little. It was the 1969 missal which was a complete revolution in the mass. The missal we call the Novus Ordo. Explain how he has put down traditional Catholics. Also, I looked into that Fransiscian thing a while ago. I forgot the exact reason why he does not allow them to do it anymore. But it had nothing to do with him hating the traditional mass. And when did he ever say he wants to welcome homosexual couples? He is obviousley against it. He even said one time that transgenderism is like a nuclear bomb! I suggest you stop being in schism, and join the Church.

@user-pl7cr7vj5g

9 жыл бұрын

Thomas Carney Yes, I realize that. You are misquoting him. He did not say that, he said that we should move into a more modern form. This is merely his opinion. Also, a statement from the FFI, " Many of us-I would hope most of us-Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, welcome the Holy Father’s intervention into our life and trust fully that Holy Mother Church knows exactly what she is doing, even when the journalists do not. We entrust ourselves to her care, just as we do to the Immaculate." They also stated that what the Pope did was specific to a problem they were having within the FFI. He was not contradicting Benedict. Can you give me links to your other claims which I had not heard about ever.

We orthodoxs should not interphere with the poor unbaptised pope slaves. We should not even greet them at all,not even a word. The only thing we can do is to pray for them to return to the mother church and save their souls,or else they are doomed. Hard but thats the truth,God bless all.

@vasileios6301

9 жыл бұрын

***** Read what our fathers say about how to treat heretics and then talk. Its our duty to avoid them,love them and pray for them but avoid them. Love is not always behind kindness but also on things that seem rude to others.

@vasileios6301

9 жыл бұрын

***** Unbaptised people cant be saved,or else it would not matter to follow orthodoxy. Lets get serious,no orthodox people will be saved,we pray everyday for them to return to one and only Holy Catholic Church which only orthodoxs follow.

@vasilios4840

9 жыл бұрын

true words vasilios 👏

@MZONE991

9 жыл бұрын

Vasilios one passage from the bible is enough to destroy your hateful comment And you know the passage I'm talking about "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

@vasileios6301

9 жыл бұрын

+tactical “assault” plunger Love my enemies,but not love herecies. Pray for heretics to return to Jesus,because with Pope are with the devil. Simple as that

Guys, is this really the norm in catholic church? All the skating Angels and pillars with "acrobats" and etc?

The music at ~7:00 is most apropos for the invalid Novus Ordo Mess; it truly is a 3-ring circus!

The style of worship is very important...because it expresses the way you feel inside of yourself...its your composure ....if one is in peace or agitated. if one is in contemplation or out of it. There is a huge difference.

how about comparing orthodox service and the Traditional Latin Mass?

@ToddMRicker

10 жыл бұрын

Maybe due to the fact that the Traditional Latin Mass is not what MOST Catholic Churches use. Everyone keeps referring to the Tridentine Mass trying to prove a point, when it doesn't even apply. But I would also go to say the choice made to show a Catholic Mass does not apply as well. I have never seen such a service or anything similar to it during the time I was Catholic. By the way, yes I am Orthodox. Personally I would go to say the OP is trolling, so my best advice to everyone here is; DON'T RESPOND. As for all those who keep talking about the Traditional Latin Mass, well I would say it's time to go take your church back, and if it chooses to stay the way it is, you will always be welcome here in Orthodoxy.

Do the Orthodox take holy communion?

Спасибо большое за видео. Посмотрел и поблагодарил Господа, что являюсь Православным христианином!

@KSST-111

2 жыл бұрын

Catholic Church is the true Christian

@user-sw8bm4ri1k

Жыл бұрын

католики истина!

RESPECT ! GREETINGS FROM SERBIA!

I am a Protestant - yep I m headed home to the true roots of our faith.. Orthodox holds the true catholic faith. I can see this is a mere rare and crazy example of how the Roman West has lost its way.. of which much was inherited by us Non-Catholics in the West after the 16th century.. The Orthodox East has kept itself true and pure despite any short comings.

The video is a giant logical fallacy. You cannot judge a faith based on a liturgy that is really not representative of the catholic liturgy. There may be some sort of difference in liturgical rites in some countries but it is too specific to represent the catholic liturgy as a whole. This kind of specificity is never generalizable. Even in research methodology, the kind of sampling used here is biased sampling. Why not choose the liturgical rites at the Vatican City instead?

@sandraalves6435

9 жыл бұрын

Ryan James Gaspar I agree , they chose the worst example of liturgy , I am Brazilian and see, for example the liturgy of the Mass at the Monastery of São Bento in São Paulo would see as the liturgy is well made.

So, I laughed at the Brazil video - herein lies part of the problem with the Roman Catholic Mass since the Second Vatican Council. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (many western Catholics refer to it these days simply as 'mass', and with a small 'm') is no laughing matter - Christ was not throwing a dinner party, and what the Apostles witnessed hardly gave them cause for celebration. Since those events, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass evolved continuously in solemnity and beauty. Since the Council, however, it has degenerated into a man-centered sentimental community service. In many Catholic Churches, the priest stands facing the people and with his back to the Tabernacle in which the Blessed Sacrament resides - this is man-centered instead of Christo-centered; in some, the Tabernacle isn't even in the Sanctuary but, tucked away in a corner as if less important than man. In many Catholic Churches they no longer have the 'Bix Six' candles representing other six Sacraments (the Blessed Sacrament is the first). In the Novus Ordo, the congregation no longer watch the priest's actions at the Holy Altar - instead, they are distracted by singing songs. The consequential loss of faith is fueling the catastrophic tide of lapsation. The resurgence of the Usus Antiquior (the old rite, known as the Tridentine Rite) appears to be attracting souls to return. Let us all pray for our shepherds, and for guidance from the Holy Spirit. +

Orthodox all ways !!!

No fair, guys. There are tons of other videos from the present day of the Tridentine Latin Mass. You couldn't have picked footage from those instead? I think it'd make a better comparison.

you only chose a video that does not represent the true catholic liturgy because you do not use a video of a solemn mass in the basilicas of saint peter in the vatican

Roman Catholic procession with the bible is not true,

@eritreanwithbalkanorthodox9069

5 жыл бұрын

Fuck you bibl is 100% true

Cannot deny that these things have happened in the west. Hopefully this video will open some people's eyes to how bad the abuses really are. Now, it would be terrific if you were to show the best you can find of Latin-rite services so people can have a comparison of how beautiful each liturgy really should and can be.

@ryanl5817

11 ай бұрын

latin mass is all but banned

@paulgrady7531

11 ай бұрын

@@ryanl5817So it would appear, at the moment. But the FSSP (where most of the movement is going on) is VERY robust, and I am hearing reports that many dioceses are still allowing Latin Masses to quietly continue. Time will tell what God has in store for the Church's liturgy.

Thank you. many years to you as well.

All though this video is not very objective, it shows how deep Roman-Catholic Church has fallen, allowing such circus rituals to take over in some places.

I understand that the Catholic mass here portrayed is not the usual Catholic mass but , the very fact that those stuff happened in a Catholic church itself is ... a disgrace

@baoduong2203

8 жыл бұрын

As a Christian that attends Catholic Church for over 25+ years. I've never seen anything of this in mass. Especially at 5:35 time stamp. I'm literally mind-blown and surprised to see this. I'm watching this and thinking "what am I watching?!"

@jeremytan5297

8 жыл бұрын

+Bao Duong idk what's that , but one thing I know is that there is no difference between a circus freak show and that .

@baoduong2203

8 жыл бұрын

Exactly, from my experience, every catholic mass is always very strict. The Same boring strict liturgy. I haven't seen a circus freak show like the one in this video.

@rocochap21

7 жыл бұрын

As a life-long Catholic I have to admit I am very embarrassed by this mass, in particular the 'gospel procession' part. I presume the circus music was not part of the actual church service, but even without it the "procession" was embarrassing and inappropriate. We have definitely gone wrong somewhere when this codology is taking place in the Catholic Church, even if it is in a Spanish speaking culture.

@Metallion-ol8bc

7 жыл бұрын

rocochap21 I agree with you, yes is in latin american culture but these aren't spanish speakers, these are portuguese speakes from Brazil.

This is an unfair comparison. Why are you comparing a traditional Orthodox service with an non-traditional/non-Latin Mass? There is no comparison.

@standev1

8 жыл бұрын

sakor88 You should stay in the Church for the truth and for salvation of your immortal soul, not leave it over liturgical issues. Anyway, you can be Catholic of Greek Rite (like I am) and enjoy both beautiful liturgy and the truth.

@oldwest517

8 жыл бұрын

+standev1 What kind of an infallible "Vicar of Christ" would have allowed all of the post VII nonsense? Liturgical matters are not peripheral -- "lex orandi lex credendi est." And what kind of Pope would allow this stuff? It is right there on video recording -- and I've heard of many such examples.

@standev1

8 жыл бұрын

oldwest517 I encourage you to read what infallibility of Pope means and what it doesn't mean. A lot of people misunderstand this dogma.

Is it correct to compare the greatness of the Orthodox liturgy with such an abuse in the Catholic one? This example of Catholic liturgy is simply not was should be taken as an example (or maybe for what not to do).

I'm watching this video, alongside many other videos, for educational purposes, to differentiate between the theology of the Catholic church and Orthodox churches. But, it seems as though the editor of this video is an orthodox christian, because the Orthodox Liturgical practices he uploaded seem very tranquil and relaxed, whereas the Catholic ones, were practically Brazilian carnivals!! Come on, why not show these venerations from the Vatican itself, or any other major European Parishes?

Why not have an actually Latin Mass instead of the vernacular? It would've been a better comparison because the official liturgy is the Extraordinary form

Make an unbiased comparison with the tridentine mass, this is not who the catholic church is.

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Robbins The Catholic Church is mainstream protestant today. I

@nomadfromkarlsruhe8259

9 жыл бұрын

the catholic church is dealing with a lot of problems today, but there are a lot of underground true catholics that secretly run the protestant headed dildos. currently we have an agenda to make the non-faithful baptised leave the church out of anger and then rebuild from the little faithful. mind you, when I say little, I would like to emphasize that there are enough of us to make an impact. The things that resemble protestantism are not truly catholic, and they will be soon ridden out.

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Robbins Since the Council of Trent and especially with the new Code of Canon Law signed by JPII in the 1980s, more power than ever before has been put in the papacy. The Faithful...many are confused, even more LOVE the NO as a form of entertainment with the no-requirements pseudo-Catholic Church we have today.... it's going to take a non-Modernist pope with BALLS to fix the problems....we have not had a pope with REAL BALLS since Pope St. Pius X.

@nomadfromkarlsruhe8259

9 жыл бұрын

and many catholics, real catholics would agree, but at the time being, I have my reasons to be faithful to St. Peters chair, and I have faith that the holy spirit will guide the next pope to bring back the ways of old.

@Garbanzo884

9 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Robbins What if the Cardinals DO NOT listen the Holy Spirit?? That happened in the election of Pope Alexander VI, who literally bribed his way into the papacy with his harem and illegitimate children!!! The camerlengo of that election said, "Let us dispense with the Prayers to the Holy Spirit because we already know who the next pope is going to be." This is documented. Tell me the Cardinals are going to listen.

That isn't a real version of catholic rite... Where is the Organ?

I am a Catholic but I never seen any "Mass" similar shown in the video.. Btw, if one is not following Peter (Rome) how can he consider himself a Christian??

@gmac8586

9 жыл бұрын

Mark Lim CHRISTian means you follow CHRIST. Where in that word do you see the name Peter? Please read 1 Cor 10:12. Did Peter die on the cross for you? Were you baptized in Peter's name? No it was Christ. HE is the only foundation and is the One we should follow!

@marklim6452

9 жыл бұрын

G Mac Probably you should read the whole Bible and learn the whole salvation story

@marklim6452

8 жыл бұрын

***** G Mac And who told you what the Christ did 2,000 years? His Apostles/disciples. Refusing to follow the Apostles and their successors, and their authority, is refusing to follow Christ. And Christ said to His disciples, he who hears you hears me and the Father who sent me... Christ likewise said to His disciples "Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you." 22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained." And Christ said to Simon, which He Himself changed to Peter, "feed and tend My lambs/sheep". Anyone not under the care of Peter is not a follower of Christ. Simple as that. Look for it in the Bible and learn the salvation story. If you detached yourself to the teachings of the Apostles, you detached yourself from Christ. Without them, what you are following is not Christ, but yourself (and probably that Ancient Serpent in the Garden)

I am Melkite Catholic, which is Orthodox (lots of tradition), but under the authority of the Pope. I was raised Roman Catholic, though, and I have never seen anything like the spectacle in this film. It really isn't fair. You could have made your point just as well by comparing a formal Orthodox ceremony with, say, a regular Christmas or Easter Mass in the United States. By the way, we all have opinions as to which service we prefer, but which one would Christ really prefer? The old men in funny costumes, separated from the people-- , or the congregation (men, women, and children) clearly having a good time and happy to be there with Him?

@pupak7433

9 жыл бұрын

Another uniate traitor... How you even dare to speak to us, you allied with Latins who slaughtered us. Disgusting.

@ajosephcirene

9 жыл бұрын

Чварков Ђорђе How sad that you should write such a comment.

@ajosephcirene

9 жыл бұрын

Чварков Ђорђе May God forgive you.

@iStouts

9 жыл бұрын

ajosephcirene I can't believe some people. Чварков Ђорђе is neither Catholic nor Orthodox because of the way he speaks. Neither Church accepts this behavior and hopefully he can one day see his problems.

@pupak7433

9 жыл бұрын

iStouts Roman-Catholic Church are murderers, and pope is a leader of pedophiles, it has nothing to do with a way how i speak to uniate whores.

This is NOT catholicism.

Bias are you?