Comparing Chet's and Wemby's Freaky Rookie Seasons | J. Kyle Mann

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When two players set out on their NBA journeys at the same time, their narratives have a way of remaining entwined well after their rookie seasons have passed. Victor Wembanyama of the San Antonio Spurs and Chet Holmgren of the Oklahoma City Thunder are no ordinary rookies, both because of their phenomenal physical measurements and because of their immense feel for the game and talent to play it. They’re squarely at the top of their class, jockeying for supremacy. In this video, The Ringer’s J. Kyle Mann takes a look at how their situations compare and what the future might hold for these generational players.
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  • @ARRosey
    @ARRosey4 ай бұрын

    "Viciously back-cut by a giraffe" 😂

  • @don_brodka
    @don_brodka4 ай бұрын

    Dude, I was not prepared to hear Tjarks' voice. I haven't heard it since he passed away. Did not expect to tear up this early in the morning watching a J. Kyle Mann video! Great work as always!

  • @WhalesWatching

    @WhalesWatching

    4 ай бұрын

    Literally came here to say the exact same thing. I was so not ready to hear his voice, but as the tears well up, I am grateful to have ever heard such a special person to begin with. To this day, I still remember hearing his last pod on NBA University with J. Kyle Mann. Wow, thank you for that.

  • @onekidarmy

    @onekidarmy

    4 ай бұрын

    If it comes up again, I really wouldn't mind more of that. He was so smart and ahead on his picks, like Jaren Jackson maybe being better than Ayton. He was right about that and I think about it often

  • @LLDRv

    @LLDRv

    4 ай бұрын

    I think Tjarks is still alive. It is just a conspiracy that he is dead.

  • @pd9020

    @pd9020

    4 ай бұрын

    same, that kinda hit me like a truck. in a good way though

  • @alstocko

    @alstocko

    4 ай бұрын

    Again, I came to say the same thing. Was not ready to be this emotional at work

  • @mattmonterrey5638
    @mattmonterrey56384 ай бұрын

    RIP Johathan Tjarks

  • @LilShrooms
    @LilShrooms4 ай бұрын

    man I miss Tjarks. I listened to him on the pods just since lockdown started, and I hadn’t even been listening for that long when I heard the news. He had not only some of the best analysis but an amazing sense of humor and a really funny, distinct voice. RIP

  • @victornouvel5273
    @victornouvel52734 ай бұрын

    as a french dude, i've watched a looot of US content around wemby and chet, and this one clearly stands out. Perfect nuancing of their statlines given their two teams, how they differently score and impact ball games, good takes on what they can evolve as players and a most importantly a deep appreciation of those two future/actual faces of league. great video thanks

  • @hubertrapinat348

    @hubertrapinat348

    4 ай бұрын

    La même frère on en avait besoin de cette vidéo

  • @loichervier7206

    @loichervier7206

    4 ай бұрын

    100% d'accord: cela etant Vic est le ROTY clair et net 😆

  • @lorenzo6777

    @lorenzo6777

    4 ай бұрын

    How’d you get your English to be that good, man?

  • @ThatTallGuy55
    @ThatTallGuy554 ай бұрын

    So good to hear Tjarks' voice man. He is sorely missed.

  • @Skooppoopity
    @Skooppoopity4 ай бұрын

    Damn, the Tjarks' cameo. I miss that man so much. Always a treat to have a J. Kyle Mann video

  • @basketbear18
    @basketbear184 ай бұрын

    There is nothing better than a J Kyle Mann video

  • @sashibrownjr.83
    @sashibrownjr.834 ай бұрын

    Not exaggerating when I say this is the best sports content on the web right now. Salute to you Mr. Mann! The only creator that I routinely go out of my way to re-watch past videos of

  • @amartojitbasu4411

    @amartojitbasu4411

    4 ай бұрын

    His Luka draft class series is goated af

  • @Irfanhill
    @Irfanhill4 ай бұрын

    Giannis never expected to be "viciously back-cut by a giraffe" that really took me off guard! XD

  • @michaelbrady3903
    @michaelbrady39034 ай бұрын

    I have a feeling seeing Chet Holmgren as a spurs fan is going to feel a lot like seeing dirk back in the 2000s. I’m gonna hate his guts… but respect his game… when he retires… lol

  • @CaiusDiplodocus
    @CaiusDiplodocus4 ай бұрын

    Chet is definitely amazing but he is almost 2 years older than Wemby. Also all Wemby's life changed during the draft , he has to adapt to a new team, new country, new culture, new basketball and he is doing more than all right. Wemby has a really good mental strength. We will have good years watching them playing against each other.

  • @Collindunks
    @Collindunks4 ай бұрын

    Common J Kyle Man banger Rip Tjarks

  • @itstoddclark
    @itstoddclark4 ай бұрын

    Another J. Kyle Mann banger

  • @garrettbaker6481
    @garrettbaker64814 ай бұрын

    “Soft massive hands to cradle the ball” and then just fucking breezed by it😂😂😂

  • @johnny852
    @johnny8524 ай бұрын

    Was absolutely surprised to hear Tjarks’ voice come up. Had me tearing up by the end.

  • @anirudhaacharya7873
    @anirudhaacharya78734 ай бұрын

    Babe wake up J Kyle Mann has posted a video

  • @toddmentch
    @toddmentch4 ай бұрын

    Exceptionally well done video doc, thanks!! RIP Tjarks

  • @irjake
    @irjake4 ай бұрын

    I didn't expect a random basketball video to make me tear up this morning. Rest in peace Tjarks, we miss you.

  • @colinhannah3515
    @colinhannah35154 ай бұрын

    another incredible video from the best in the basketball video Biz. RIP Tjarks gone, but never forgotten.

  • @LarsMarkson
    @LarsMarkson4 ай бұрын

    Keep em coming mr. Mann!

  • @bballlarchive

    @bballlarchive

    4 ай бұрын

    You'd better bet your behind I will

  • @fisheye375
    @fisheye3754 ай бұрын

    That girafe got brakes😂😂😂

  • @owendachisen9203
    @owendachisen92034 ай бұрын

    not only have I been *waiting* for this video, but it was still somehow even better than I could have imagined. truly thoughtful analysis in every moment crafted with a lot of care. thanks as always J Kyle Mann

  • @renaudsechet69
    @renaudsechet694 ай бұрын

    2 aliens that a worth a double ROTY crown, wembanyama for the best stats, and Holmgren for the impact on his team stats

  • @andrewcamarillo5728
    @andrewcamarillo57284 ай бұрын

    Great video Kyle. Very cool to hear Tjarks, miss him.

  • @pizzaburgerparty
    @pizzaburgerparty4 ай бұрын

    Been waiting for this man. Knew youd come in clutch❤

  • @rcast1986
    @rcast19864 ай бұрын

    Ugh this is so good. You guys are exceptional at what you do.

  • @SwaySensei
    @SwaySensei4 ай бұрын

    Really appreciated the fairness and objectivity of this video. Most people will favor one or the other, but you did a great job of giving us objective analysis, and we can decide who we prefer or even more shocking…appreciate both.

  • @shadowblakemasterson
    @shadowblakemasterson4 ай бұрын

    It's always a joy to hear this man talk hoops. Looking forward to the next one. RIP Tjarks

  • @BenlshTracker
    @BenlshTracker4 ай бұрын

    I really hope Chet and Wemby own the league and become arch rivals for years to come. What a blessing it is for us to witness their simultaneous ascension.

  • @sneakrzzz8669

    @sneakrzzz8669

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah Fr. The only problem is I don’t know if Chet will ever get to shine offensively playing with a future star and a mvp candidate

  • @Faisaltm2
    @Faisaltm24 ай бұрын

    Great work as usual

  • @OpenYourEyes16
    @OpenYourEyes164 ай бұрын

    People saying they’d take Chet right now if trying to compete haven’t been watching Wemby closely. He’s been giving fringe All-NBA production for just over a month now despite being in a terrible context.

  • @PiriakaTrackwrecker

    @PiriakaTrackwrecker

    4 ай бұрын

    They're both absolutely bonkers. Why compare?

  • @shepardice3775

    @shepardice3775

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@PiriakaTrackwreckerBecause of the context of rookie of the year. Not to take anything away from Chet because he is definitely a special player, but Wemby is clearly just better. that's all there is to it.

  • @MattDaddyFatStacks

    @MattDaddyFatStacks

    4 ай бұрын

    @@shepardice3775they’re clearly in different situations. Wemby would not space the floor nearly as well for the Thunder. Stop with the hyperbole

  • @PiriakaTrackwrecker

    @PiriakaTrackwrecker

    4 ай бұрын

    @@shepardice3775 cool story. If it were possible I'd love dual winners. I'd prefer Wemby to win anyway, despite being a Thunder fan, just so we don't have people crying over his redshirt year.

  • @coreyshafarman8918
    @coreyshafarman89184 ай бұрын

    It’s been since the early 2000’s since we’ve had a great big man rivalry. So excited to see these two go at each other over their careers

  • @Mister_Mass
    @Mister_Mass4 ай бұрын

    I love Wemby but I think the media coverage of him compared to Chet’s has been a bit biased due to Wemby’s game being more colorful lol. Fair enough, but what gets lost in all this is how GOOD Chet also is! I think this post does justice to both players without being too much bias 😂. Kind of basketball analysis and content I appreciate. I subscribed 😉

  • @sneakrzzz8669

    @sneakrzzz8669

    4 ай бұрын

    Real shit

  • @uuh4yj43

    @uuh4yj43

    4 ай бұрын

    any team would love to have chet as a piece right now, he is the definition of an impact player and he is going to get better! i dont see him having his own team but surely he could be the second best player on a contender.

  • @indnganksta
    @indnganksta4 ай бұрын

    Damn. RIP Tjarks. Good to hear the voice. He had the best commentaries.

  • @kylelanger8611
    @kylelanger86114 ай бұрын

    The king returns

  • @yessinegourar5691
    @yessinegourar56914 ай бұрын

    man i loved the Tjarks J. Kyle Mann podcast

  • @joeyh31
    @joeyh314 ай бұрын

    J Kyle Mann still the most underrated KZreadr

  • @zenyth9130
    @zenyth91304 ай бұрын

    bro that scoop layup wemby does from the ground is 🔥 it's nearly unstoppable

  • @a-j.2002
    @a-j.20024 ай бұрын

    1. That unexpected guest gave me the chills. 2. I think Chet is awesome, but I'm confident this is going to be a Melo vs Bron kind of rivalry, meaning "not much, beyond their rookie season". Wemby is a goat tier talent. DPOY candidate already.

  • @joshuahorchler644
    @joshuahorchler6444 ай бұрын

    Another bang! Great shout out to Tjarks!

  • @jacobwalker8730
    @jacobwalker87304 ай бұрын

    That interview at 9:32 is insane. Look at that little child's baby face on top of slenderman's frame.

  • @IScarePeopleInAirports
    @IScarePeopleInAirports4 ай бұрын

    Please post more regularly J 🙏

  • @OmnipotentSpud
    @OmnipotentSpud4 ай бұрын

    They both added size so quickly, too. It's like their in an arms race with each other.

  • @joshb.1118
    @joshb.11184 ай бұрын

    Its a great rookie class.... appreciate both

  • @musicchannel5095
    @musicchannel50954 ай бұрын

    Saw Kyle O Mann and hit that ‘like’ before even watching the video 🔥

  • @tylersurgery6865
    @tylersurgery68654 ай бұрын

    wow amazing video

  • @1979eweiss
    @1979eweiss2 ай бұрын

    J Kyle Mann, you’re my hero

  • @99dfresh
    @99dfresh4 ай бұрын

    Holy shit this was good content and energy

  • @bandaid52
    @bandaid524 ай бұрын

    Yo why did I tear up when I heard Tjarks voice man holy shit... 😭

  • @PiriakaTrackwrecker
    @PiriakaTrackwrecker4 ай бұрын

    Lovely to hear Tjarks, rip to a real one. I was gonna say, what a time to be alive but it seems a bit distasteful. But it truly is, and it's clear that John already saw it before all of us.

  • @TyDyck
    @TyDyck4 ай бұрын

    ive been tryna find 6:15 forever thank u

  • @JohnSmith-eo2yx
    @JohnSmith-eo2yx4 ай бұрын

    5:46 This is the underrated piece of his game, as you said. It can be deceptive because of his fluidity and abruptness, this is the freakiest thing I've seen him do. He's moving like Steph curry off the ball, but with the goat catch radius. It's going to be over once he dials in the decisions and chemistry with his teammates.

  • @KoussailaDebiche
    @KoussailaDebiche4 ай бұрын

    0 comparison between a generational Talent a talented rookie At this point Wemby proved so much more in a team struggling.

  • @siphillis
    @siphillis4 ай бұрын

    The crazy thing is, Wemby has more obvious room to grow, and more time to grow as well. He's spotting Chet a whopping twenty months and an entire year around an NBA team, and he's still basically tied with him in impact metrics. This is the difference between an All-NBA fixture and a perennial MVP candidate.

  • @catman-du8927

    @catman-du8927

    4 ай бұрын

    Why do people think Chet being so injured that he had to sit out a year is somehow a benefit?

  • @tinyteemo
    @tinyteemo4 ай бұрын

    j kyle mann, nothing but quality

  • @blakewest5162
    @blakewest51624 ай бұрын

    Get this man his own channel PLEASE

  • @discobassgroove
    @discobassgroove4 ай бұрын

    The league is so stacked it’s insane

  • @WhoJahBless
    @WhoJahBless4 ай бұрын

    MORE J KYLE MANN VIDEOS PLEASE

  • @Lalambz
    @Lalambz4 ай бұрын

    i hope one day in their careers. they team up! their practice/scrimmages will be insane!

  • @liamgibbons5266
    @liamgibbons52664 ай бұрын

    Paul Reed mentioned 🎉🎉

  • @jack4l815
    @jack4l8154 ай бұрын

    The best in this business

  • @donttalkaboutmymomsyo
    @donttalkaboutmymomsyo4 ай бұрын

    J.Kyle, love the videos, what is your opinion on the take that the rest of the spurs players seem to ignore wemby very often. Do you think thats fair or overblown?

  • @carterholm8257
    @carterholm82574 ай бұрын

    Oh damn....got some little old tears welling up. Miss you Tjarks! I know I'm not alone in this sentiment, but he was the best!

  • @Lunalander
    @Lunalander4 ай бұрын

    Tjarks 😭🙏

  • @dimelo58
    @dimelo584 ай бұрын

    This the perfect title.

  • @210Deek
    @210Deek4 ай бұрын

    Not even a competition anymore, Wemby is the ROTY and should have been on the all star team instead of AD!

  • @Shahidaprynce
    @Shahidaprynce4 ай бұрын

    RIP Tjarks

  • @jared33edwards
    @jared33edwards4 ай бұрын

    The next Magic/Bird type of rivalry?!?

  • @seamusmarpaung131
    @seamusmarpaung1314 ай бұрын

    Tjarks the Sharks, i miss the man 😭😭

  • @abiolaolayinka2023
    @abiolaolayinka20234 ай бұрын

    I AGREE!!!!

  • @eddsworldlover
    @eddsworldlover4 ай бұрын

    Good vid, but you can't count Wemby and Chet as being in the same draft class and say its one of the best ever just bc they're both rookies. Chet was literally drafted in 2022 lmao

  • @classthoreau3541
    @classthoreau35414 ай бұрын

    Every fan needs to be treating the basketball gods right because if these two have long, healthy careers we could legitimately be looking at the next great individual rivalry in league history. They both have the potential to be that good, and they clearly don’t like each other all that much. There are so many ifs, but what started as tongue-in-cheek hyperbole now feels possible: they could be the next Magic v Bird, the next Wilt v Russel.

  • @stevieboymkii
    @stevieboymkii4 ай бұрын

    From what's been seen so far I would have to say that Chet is great but Victor, he's amazing.

  • @horsiloggaming200
    @horsiloggaming2004 ай бұрын

    ROTY+DPOY=WEMBY

  • @desertedham37
    @desertedham374 ай бұрын

    banger

  • @bookaufman9643
    @bookaufman96434 ай бұрын

    Chet is going to be a really good player but I think Victor is going to be a top three player within 5 years if not sooner. If they had decent point guard play in San Antonio the dude would be averaging 25 as a rookie.🎉

  • @benjaminlockhart8932

    @benjaminlockhart8932

    4 ай бұрын

    Hell yes, I love Victor Romano!

  • @bookaufman9643

    @bookaufman9643

    4 ай бұрын

    @@benjaminlockhart8932 I'm partially disabled so I have to do everything speak to text but normally I go back and check to see if Google printed everything out correctly. I'm going to fix that but that is fucking embarrassing. 😂

  • @benjaminlockhart8932

    @benjaminlockhart8932

    4 ай бұрын

    @@bookaufman9643 Don't fix it, it's great and you're great too! 😎👍

  • @ccmcglade
    @ccmcglade4 ай бұрын

    Chet is somewhere in between Joel and KD: has Joel's post and mid range game, with KD's size and spacing from deep. Special, and somehow only the 2nd best rookie.

  • @uuh4yj43

    @uuh4yj43

    4 ай бұрын

    thats high praise lol i see him more of KAT than a kd, with some much improved defensive chops.

  • @GustavoSilva-ny8jc
    @GustavoSilva-ny8jc4 ай бұрын

    0:19 I hate them but i gotta admit is exciting. They're doing stuff people thought were impossible.

  • @eriksports
    @eriksports4 ай бұрын

    Shout out Tjarks ❤

  • @bajafilth143
    @bajafilth1434 ай бұрын

    We got brandon miller doing his thing too

  • @diogoiki6317
    @diogoiki63174 ай бұрын

    Teared up hearing Tjarks...

  • @jacksonjones2220
    @jacksonjones22204 ай бұрын

    🙏🕊

  • @the9thinning1
    @the9thinning14 ай бұрын

    les gooo

  • @dmedilicious8488
    @dmedilicious84884 ай бұрын

    7:18 there will be blocks

  • @skarletchaos
    @skarletchaos4 ай бұрын

    TJARRRRRKKKSSSSS❤️❤️

  • @runningsuperska
    @runningsuperska4 ай бұрын

    Whichever one can last the longest without their bones disintergrating will win the match-up.

  • @natekong3596
    @natekong35964 ай бұрын

    Chet and Wemby have similar builds but their plays are vastly different. Chet is spreading the floor and hunting for mismatch. Vic is scratching and crawling in the paint to position himself and attack whoever it is in front of him.

  • @davorbeljan4369
    @davorbeljan43694 ай бұрын

    Was this done by a Spurs fan? Supposed video about Wemby vs Chet was 90% talking about Wemby.

  • @jayemare
    @jayemare4 ай бұрын

    Chet Holmgren's biggest achievement is being compared to Wemby

  • @CalumAtkinson
    @CalumAtkinson4 ай бұрын

    TJARKS! 💚💚💚

  • @nikkomarcocabuhat3155
    @nikkomarcocabuhat31554 ай бұрын

    like Chet more, more of an old school type, also he does not back away from physicality

  • @Sethsters
    @Sethsters4 ай бұрын

    3:30 That was a 7’4 shammgod. What even is life?

  • @boredmonkeyproductions1015
    @boredmonkeyproductions10154 ай бұрын

    I miss Tjarks.

  • @williamscarcia7903
    @williamscarcia79033 ай бұрын

    Tjarks :(

  • @kostastube2010
    @kostastube20104 ай бұрын

    If they both stay healthy, we just might be lucky to have a decade long rivarly like Magic vs Bird. The last 10 years have been disgusting (with the exceptions of Jokic and Giannis winning, as well as Curry yet again without KD) and Lebronze and KD that made the superteam era are to be blamed.

  • @colindempsey470
    @colindempsey4704 ай бұрын

    I'd have Wemby #1 in my trade value ranking

  • @the9thinning1
    @the9thinning14 ай бұрын

    Tjarks ;__;

  • @wake_jenner
    @wake_jenner4 ай бұрын

    No offense to the ringer but they need to let you upload back up on the dime drop. The audience is way lager on that page and it gives your videos a place to stand on their own. If you just advertised you were a ringer guy while posting on that channel I think you would get way more exposure.

  • @kylem03000
    @kylem030004 ай бұрын

    "Rookie" season for Chet

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