awesome video guys!! Thanks!

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks for watching! AJ

Hi! Thank you for this great video. Can you help decide between the magenta plus and the cadorna barista? I want to go with the wand so I can get as close as possible to professional machine froth/ micro-foam. This, and getting a high temperature drink are my two priorities. I drink mostly cappuccinos and lattes. Are there any other machines out there with professional wands? Thank you!

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi mc, You are welcome. The Magenta Plus and Cadorna Barista are fairly similar in capabilities. Some key differences... The Cadorna has a longer manual steam wand. With the extra length you will not struggle to reach down to smaller amounts of milk in larger frothing pitchers. In my experience the Cadorna produces coffee drinks a slight bit hotter than the Magenta. The Magenta stores one version of each drink while the Cadorna can store 4 custom versions of each drink in the user profiles. The Gaggia Accademia and Babila have a frothing wand in addition to automatic frothing from an attachable mik carafe. I prefer the wands on the Magenta/Cadorna to the shorter stick wands on the other Gaggia machines. Hope that helps! Marc

Comparison videos are some if my favorites. Pointing out chich machine has room for a travel mug is really helpful. Are the bean hoppers removable for cleaning on any of them?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful! The hoppers are designed to be removed on any of these models. AJ

Hi guys, appreciate your channel and reviews. I am on the verge of buying one of those machines. A bit hesitating between Magenta Prestige and Codorna Milk... User profiles are not important to me. If you select latte, setup same coffee and milk amount/temperature and use same beans, will you notice any difference in taste/temperature, etc? Also curious about material quality and durability of inside mechanism? Thank you in advance!

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Sergii, Thanks for the question. The internal components (brew unit) extracting the coffee are essentially identical in the machines. The Cadorna has more precise control of grind size with 10 settings. The Magenta has 5. In my experience the Cadorna produces a slightly warmer drink at high temperature setting. The internal brew unit mechanism is very durable. We get regular reports of 15,000+ brew cycles in machines using this brew unit with routine maintenance of cleaning the group - run under room temp tap water, lubrication of moving parts and an easy to do annual deep cleaning and gasekt replacement. Comparing the matewrial quality of thge 2 machines the Cadorna is a level up from the Magenta with a more solid/premium feel. Hope that helps! Marc

Hi Guys Great videos and thanks for all the information. I would like to know which model between the Magenta Prestige and the Cadorna Prestige would you suggest for me and the wife, irrespective of the price please Regards

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Lee, If no worries on price then I'd go with the Cadorna Prestige. Nicer user interface, Water reservoir slides out the front and a more premium feel to the case and buttons. Marc

I’ve had my classic pro for a year now and I haven’t made a great espresso yet and I use it every day I always use fresh ground beans I’ve tried all kinds of different espresso beans. No matter how fine I go with grinding the beans it comes out fast doesn’t matter how hard I temp it. I’ve tried different baskets still the same. Sometimes I get a little cremma I just don’t know what to do any help would be great

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Glen, Thanks for the question and I'm here to help. Producing crema comes down to the right bean, getting the grind size dialed in right and being consistent with other variables. For easy crema production choose a classic Italian style bean blend. Coffees like Lavazaza Super Crema, Maromas Orphea or our own locally roasted Crema Wave are all capable of producing "Crema Buckets". You did not mention what make/model grinder you are using - hopefully a decent burr grinder that allows for very precise changes to grind size. If not familiar with the dialing in process here's video tutorial on that: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIONmaZpYtGac9o.html I recommend using the double shot non-pressurized filter basket in your Classic Pro. Here's another video showing my complete process making a flat white on the Classic: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZagm6SqeafVqaw.html The keys to success are good beans, proper grind size and consistency. Marc

I've been thinking about moving on from my Gaggia Classic to a Super automatic. In the Magenta or Cardorna, is it possible to grind my own beans on my Sette 270 then put them on the automatic machine to get better tasting espresso or would the grinder in the settings in the automatic machines suffice for espresso and americano drinks?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Isaac, Thanks for the question. It certainly is possible to grind your beans separately and use the bypass doser. That said, I do a couple of Americanos everyday on a Cadorna here in the studio. I find the built in grinder does just fine for those and I have no shortage of outboard grinders to choose from. Understand you give up some control going with an automatic machine as compared to a semi-automatic like the Classic. On the flip side you gain a lot of convenience and consistency. Marc

I’ve had an Acedemia for 10 years. Would you recommend that above one of these? I do like the temperature control feature these have over my old machines never quite hot enough coffee.

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi Trip, Thanks for the question. Yes, the Accademia is Gaggia's top of the line machine. The latest 2022 model makes the best espresso I've ever had from a bean to cup machine and is my daily driver in the studio. Here's my video with an in-depth look at the 2022 Accademia: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nI6LtZVxj63NlZc.html Marc

How would you compare the Cadorna Prestige and a DeLonghi Dinamica Plus, pro and cons? Thank you 🙏🏼

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Marco, I haven't done any testing on the Dinamica Plus yet, but feature-wise the two machines are pretty similar. They both have comparable drink options, color displays, and custom user profiles for saving individual drink preferences. The Dinamica Plus adds app connectivity for customizing and monitoring your machine from a smartphone, which is a nice feature. AJ

Is it advisable to use mildly pre heated milk in the Cadorna milk to get a hotter milk based drink ?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi RV, If you like a hotter milk drink that's an option. Marc

Have you tried the Pannarello Wand with the Cadorna Milk? My wife wants the ease of using the milk attachment but I'd still like to try to improve my latte art skills. Will that give us the "best of both worlds" or at least something close to that?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi JT, Yes, The Latte Art P wand will fit on the Cadorna Milk: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-latte-art-pannarello-wand-147430150 Marc

@linux452

Жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, i have a question, how to mount "latte art panarello" to Cadorna Milk?

are those all can pull same shot quality of espresso ? what is the coffee strongth mean 1-5 ? what is the coffee size used in 5 ? is it 24gram or 12 gram ? can't till what to choose

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi SA, Thanks for the questions. All these machine have the same internal brewing mechanism so potential shot quality is the same. the coffee strength range of 1-5 adjust throught the dosing range of ~7 to 11.5g per brew cycle. Set to a strength of 5 you'll get ~11.5g. Choose a 2 cup coffee beverage or a flat white on these machines with that drink available and the machine does 2 grind cycles automatically for a total dose weight of up to 23g. Weights are averages as some beans are denser than others so yeild more weight in a given volume. Hope that helps with your decisions! Marc

I really like these features, but I'm only hesitant to buy because we are regular iced coffee drinkers here in CA. Without an iced coffee feature, how would you recommend getting a strong, coffee forward iced drink? I normally drink cold brew or shaken espresso and hubby likes iced Americanos.

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi Marcia, There is a Delonghi machine which has an iced coffee function but I'm not a fan. It operates in the same way as other bean to cup automatics but uses a lower internal brewing temperature. The result is under-extracted and sour to my taste. For iced drinks I recommend using bean to cup machines normally and brewing over ice in glass or brewing ahead of time and allowing drink to cool before pouring over ice. With either of those methods you can maintain strength using ice cubes made from coffee if desired. The Jura Z10 is the only bean to cup machine I'm aware which makes a true cold brew using unheated water in the brewing process. It makes cold brew on demand in minutes instead of the 12 plus hours typical of the cold brew process and the flavor is excellent. It's a premium level machine and does all the regular hot beverages plus drinks like espresso, Americanos and more using the cold brew process. Learn about he Z10 as I try those drinks and more in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zp6am9GeqarLn6g.html Marc

I really like the Cadorna Prestige, because it makes hot milk based drinks. That is why I would choose it over the Jura. The saved user interfaces are not really important to me. What I do really like is the option of the wand with the auto milk container, but just as an option. Does the Babila or Accademia make the milk based drinks as hot as the Cadorna? The hot milk based drink on auto pilot is very important to me!

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Elise, Milk from the Cadorna is a little hotter than from the Babila or Accademia in my experience. If you like a really hot milk drink then manual frothing is the way to go. Manufacturers design auto-frothing machines to produce milk in the sweet zone of temperature so it rarely exceeds 150F/66C. As you are aware both Babila and Accademia have both a carafe and manual wand for milk. If you want hotter milk drinks without the manual frothing then the Cadorna is the way to go Marc

Hi. Are all of the Cadornas the same other than number of drinks? Why does the Plus cost more than the one with the milk carafe, not the Prestige.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they are all the same aside from the milk systems (wand vs. milk slide vs. carafe) and drink options to reflect that. The Cadorna Milk is currently on sale, making it cheaper than the Cadorna Plus. I don't know if this will always be the case. AJ

If all you drink is americanos, which would machine would be good for that? Sometimes I make a milk drink, but not often. Are they all comparable for that use? Also, would you recommend a gaggia or jura d6 machine? Which brand is best?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Kara, Thanks for the question. I'm at least 50% Americanos for daily coffee consumption. I use the Gaggia Cadorna for those at work. The lowest priced Magenta does them as well and there's no difference in quality between the 2 as internal brewing is identical for all practical purposes in those machines. If you have multiple people or want to save multiple versions of a given drink go with the Cadorna. If it's just you or you and someone who drinks the same drinks the Magenta has you covered. As for milk drinks it comes down to how you want to prepare them. If it's pull the milk carafe out and push a button and machine does the rest go with either of the Prestige models. If you want to froth for yourself and maybe go to latte art quality the Magenta Plus or Cadorna Barista Plus are the way to go. The Jura D6 is an older model - You get more for your money with the Gaggias. Marc

@kararobertsongordon2532

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so very much for the information

Interested in the Cadorna Milk. Can you tell me how many cups can these machines make in a day?

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi ST, Often when asked this question it's because someone is considering using in commercial service. Understand that is not an intended use for the Cadorna. That said, it's not unreasonable to use in an office etc and do 30 drinks per day. It can certainly do more than that. Marc

Nice video/ Thanks. Ive got a question. Ususally I drink double espresso and I want to know, in what machines it will be real, tasty and the best double espresso? Im wouring about 11 gramms of coffe beans per portion. Is iy enough? Thanks

@KAndruxa

2 жыл бұрын

i usually use light roasted beans

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi AR, Thanks for the comment and question. On these (and most other) Gaggia machines the maximum coffee dose per grind cycle is ~11.5g. On these machines if you want a true contemporary style double shots it's best to program a single shot to produce a liquid volume in your cup of 20-30ml. Then select 2 cups when you make your espresso and the machine will grind and brew 2x automatically resulting in a total coffee dose of 12-23g depending on your strength setting. FYI I consider a contemporary double dose to be 18g. You'd get that at a strength setting of ~4 on the machine - but adjust to your preference. A traditional Italian style double uses 14g dose. For best flavor with light roast beans use the highest temperature setting and finest grind setting to start. If you should get bitter flavors at finest grind back off a notch or two coarser. Hope that helps! Marc

@KAndruxa

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for your answer! Now I am a delonghi user, but want to buy a new machine. That’s why I’m looking for smth new for me. How is espresso on this machine? Is it quite strong? Or maybe you can recommend the other one, which will brew twice for x2 espresso automatically?

Hi guys, is the quality of the automatic milk frothed the same on the Cadorna and the Magenta?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jamal, Thanks for the question. Automatic milk frothing is essentially identical on the machines. Marc

Hello WLL team, I'm debating between a Cadorna Milk, and Magenta Prestige. Aside from the integrated milk and the profiles, is there an actual quality different in the drinks between the two? Is the Cadorna Prestige a huge upgrade (currently a $250-300 difference in price)?

@Wholelattelovepage

4 ай бұрын

Hi jf, The internal brewing mechanisms are nearly identical. Difference is in drink selections, UI and how milk is prepped. Marc

Is there any machine that has both a manual wand and a milk jug?id like to get one that gives me the choice of a manual froth or auto.. any ideas? Can you manual froth with the cadorna milk? Or does one have to upgrade to a baliba? What about other manufacturers?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi l, Thanks for the question. Gaggia is the only manufacturer with steam wands on select machines. If you want both wand and carafe out of the box go for the Gaggia Babila or Accademia. On the Cadorna Milk you can pull off the Cappaccinotore frothing device and attach the Gaggia Latte Art Pannarello Wand (sold separately). That wand allows for both automatic and manual frothing: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-latte-art-pannarello-wand-147430150 Marc

@lampshade7463

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks marc!

@YuukaS9

Жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage what option would you choose on the menu for it to do manual frothing after you attach the wand?

@gururajsridhar7314

Жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage what option do you pick on the menu for it to do the manual frothing? same question as Hoai Trang

Can you help decide between magenta prestige and cadorna milk pls?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi AA, Would help to know what features are important to you. As demonstrated in the video the machines are fairly similar in drink capabilities. Major differences: Cadorna more appropriate if multiple people will be using the machine and they'd all like to have their own customized drinks saved. Beyond that, the Magenta Prestige has the detachable carafe while the Cadorna Milk uses a pick up tube for milk and the Capp in Cup system for frothing. The Control panels are similar but I prefer the soft touch buttons on the Cadorna machines to the touch sensitive buttons on the Magenta. Hope that helps! Marc

Question on the Gaggia Cadorna Prestige ground coffee shoot. As my wife only drinks decaf can I fill the bypass shoot up with decaf and the machine takes out what it needs to make one drink or do you have to put the correct amount in everytime you use the pre-ground shoot? Thanks Jason

@Wholelattelovepage

Жыл бұрын

Hi Jason, Thanks for the question. You need to put the correct amount in each time. Marc

Can I use soy and almond milk, there’s never mentioned of diferente types of milk? Thank you

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi PR, Thanks for the question. Yes you can use non-diary milks. Here's a video with information on using a variety of non-diary milk types kzread.info/dash/bejne/nINtzpmodbHXYbQ.html Marc

@pepirodrigues3843

2 жыл бұрын

I’m allergic to dairy products, I always like milk until I was not allowed, the question is can I use soy, or almond milk in this machine, thank you for your help

@pepirodrigues3843

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much, now I can pick a Mac

Does the Cadorna (10 grind settings) grind finer than the Magenta (5 grind settings)? Or is the range from coarse to fine the same between them?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi B, Thanks for the question. Minimum grind size and grind size range are essentially the same on both machines. The 10 settings just gives you more precise control of grind size within the range. Marc

@Benjamin-lw1lc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for responding. Very helpful!

@zmacuable

Жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage This is exactly what I needed to know and I'm impressed you knew that, kudos guys

I use dark roast beans they are usually very oily. I read somewhere that oily beans don’t work well in fully automatic anyone have experience?

@TDace25

2 жыл бұрын

I have a Capresso Infinity Plus grinder and bought Starbucks espresso roast and they were very oily and noticed way more build up using it after only once. Not buying again because of it.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Correct, we do not advise using oily beans in super-automatic machines. They can cause build-up and performance issues. AJ

"You know, and if you like it big..." I feel like I'm watching mid-90s QVC. This is why I came here.

Cadorna Prestige or De Longhi Dinamica Plus? Best Regards

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi s, Thanks for the question. I'd compare the features of the machine and picked based on what is most important to you. IMO the Cadorna Prestige has a more powerful and contemporary user interface. Marc

@sterandazzo

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the answer. I searching a automatic machine for my office which produce a very good espresso and also very good microfoam for the cappuccino. At home i use a e61 dualboiler. Best Regards

My question is, which one will brew the gummy bears and candy corn?

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, the Gaggia Classic Pro obviously! AJ

But how good are the espresso shots from these??

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jason, They are very good. Compared to semi-automatic machines you do give up some potential quality for the convenience and consistency of these machines. Good shots start with then beans of course but in my experience these machines produce a better shot than what you'll get from mass market coffee shops but not as good as what you'd get at a specialty cafe made with care by a barista with real skills. You do have control of grind size and coffee dose but do not dial in grind size or time/weigh extractions like you would on semi-autos. Marc

The video did not show the consistency of the milk after being frothed from the auto frothers, so it is very misleading.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Louis, Here's a video focusing on the Cadorna Prestige with closer detail of froth quality kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYykybJwYJiycpc.html

@louisd95714

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you, I will look at the video.

Gaggia or jura? I cant decide

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi ec, Tough decision! In general, you get similar features at a lower price point With Gaggia machines. Marc

The pursuit of great espresso ends here. We dont care anymore. Let the machine make it. I give up. Gaggia Magentis please.

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

Hi KK, Well the automatic machines are consistnet and convenient! Marc

If the point has to be made to someone that these machines are better than Nespresso or Keurig, they’re a lost cause anyway…..

@Wholelattelovepage

2 жыл бұрын

There are a lot of lost people out there drinking really bad coffee every day. Some just need to be shown the way. AJ