Love your shirt Patrick... 🤟😜 Nice disscusion, love hearing about your process when you are creating your esseys...

I remember Peter Jackson saying something similar about HFR, saying that after working with 48fps so extensively on The Hobbit that he would now always notice the subtle strobing/flickering in 24fps footage. Unfortunate that he and Ang Lee seem to be souring themselves on the traditional frame rate, as cool as HFR is in certain scenarios. At least Jackson's tech obsessions led to the very cool They Shall Not Grow Old!

Amazing commentary, could listen to these two talk for hours

That shirt is amazing. I want the same one!!

@JonathanChute

4 жыл бұрын

Well you can't, that one is his

Oh wow, did not expect to suddenly hear the voice of David Chen. My favorite channel and my favorite writing podcast collide!

This was really cool Patrick!! Would love more behind the scenes stuff! I'll watch pretty much anything you put out at this point.

Great stuff, please do this again love to hear you and Dave talk

This was FANTASTIC! Yes please more of these!

Thank you. Very interesting and I look forward to the next one.

I think this is a great idea, I wish more of your video essays had commentary discussions like this, and that more video essayists did stuff like this, I'd love to watch them.

Yes more, please. I love a good Behind the scenes or Documentary

This is the best episode of NPR's Fresh Air I've ever heard. I wouldn't mind hearing more of these conversations for future (or past) videos.

I was so happy to see David Chen in the thumbnail! I love that dude too.

I love this! I have listened to the two of discuss movies for so many hours of my life and I love every team up you have. More Chen/Willems please!

Loved this, please do more, as often as you deem practical.

Really enjoyed this... Provided a deeper/additional context to reflect on the video in an interesting and helpful way. Would be awesome to have one for every video release! Thank you for all your work!!

I loved this. Would be excited to see more like this for sure.

Wow this is a really nice video. I would love to see more of these video's! Thankyou Patrick and David!

I love this type of video commentary! Looking forward to more expansions like this :)

I'd 100% listen to one of these for every video you make, really interesting and really well done.

Keep on making these, quite nice to hear David Chen again (A Cast of Kings was the best!) and the behind the scenes from Patrick is very interesting. Thank you sirs

I have loved this and would LOVE for there to be more!

You and David make a great combo, I have not listened to the Slashfilmcast for years but it was great having Dave's voice in my ear again, strangely nostalgic!

This was amazing. More talks between Pat and Dave, please!!! You are both in-depth, polite, well-reflected, and show good on-air manners: ex politeness, letting each other finish, staying on topic etc

I would absolutely watch more videos like this! More please!

Really enjoy your conversation with David. Going to watch the Starwars one now. Keep up the good work Patrick.

I working in the VFX industry and thinking about the philosophy of the picture a lot. I think that the main reason that VFX doesn't age well in most time (compared to animation) is that is trying to be exact, even more than that - hyper-realistic. One reason is technology is not perfect, the second reason is trying too hard and doesn't leave place for the imagination of the viewer. I believe that second reason is even more important than first. All is back to Rembrandt and his technic of lost edge: the shadow of a person blending with the background, leaving the dark side to be filled with viewer imagination. Today most VFX creators are more technicians than an artist. 4k 60fps razor-sharp videos, working against viewer imagination leaving less and less to imagine, breaking the connection between the viewer's brain and the picture. One of the reasons why in Harry Poter most of VFX ages good is how much in the darkness, fog, and low contrast of the picture is hidden, how much is leaving to be filled. I think not enough people are aware of this subtle connection between picture and imagination.

This is great! Please do more stuff like this.

Definitely love these longer form discussion. Feels like the Appendices to the videos themselves. Just lacking some obscure Elven shit :)

This is the type of video i didn't know i needed, I could watch this stuff for days!

If you can handle it, I'd love to see these for your videos moving forward. Interesting observation about hand drawn animation and timelessness. When the technological hurdles of making an animated film were overcome in the first couple decades of that medium, the emphasis of the creators soon became style and technique. The technological hurdles of making something look realistic in CG are massive, so style and technique has always had to sit backseat to whatever the tools would allow them to do. Until recently. I think most of the technological mountains have been conquered, so creators can just freely make an animated film in whatever style best fits the story. Which hopefully means we get more things like Into the Spiderverse.

That Sweatshirt! ... LOVE IT!

Fantastic discussion. Absolutely more of this Good Content, please.

Really enjoyed this.

A lot of Gump's success was from the boomer nostalgia. The music and times of their youth. And very sentimental.

I dig this, you could also upload it as a podcast

I've always just sort of viewed Forrest Gump as a comedy. I mean, with simple but well meaning man blindly follows the advice of others and ends up living one of the most fascinating and fortunate lives imaginable. Its insane but I do love it.

I thought this was great, and I can't wait to see more of these!

NEED THAT T-SHIRT !

I forgot that I subscribed to this channel. I'm glad I did.

More please lads.

Is Patrick's shirt available from the merch store? Asking for this comments section

I just read The Idiot by Dostojevskij and it's kind of a deconstruction of the Forest Gump character. The thought was to write a story about an entierly good person, but he fails and hurts the people around him because of his niceness.

Yes. More of this.

How do I get that shirt haha.

10/10 shirt! Super Yaki forever!

more please

I wonder if Patrick or David have watched Renegade Cut's take on the Frank Grimes' episode. He saw it as a deeply conservative episode, and I think I can definitely see that ethos in the script of Forrest Gump, which punishes the more progressive of the protagonists while rewarding the titular character, who accepts the status quo with wide eyes and innocence.

Clicked for the shirt stayed for the great discussion. Zemeckis is one of my personal favorites. So much more than Spielbergs buddy. 😆

The Witches (1990) the special effects are by Jim Henson it was his last movie! Very underrated film imo

I think the only director who's gotten "lost" in a tech rabbit hole and come out with movies that still put story in front of the tech is Steven Soderbergh and his iPhone experiments.

@brunopackardhill3296

4 жыл бұрын

I think he sees them as means to an end, the fisheye effect the iphone gave bits of highflying bird bugged me though

@tatehildyard5332

4 жыл бұрын

David Lynch and Lars Von Trier I think also got some great mileage out of their digital cinema experimentation.

Agree on the Simpsons thing, Armen Tanzarian is definitely the jump the shark moment. I think the Frank Grimes episode is actually the Simpsons briefly going back to its roots - the show was founded on showing a more normal, flawed, and relatable family and ripping on American culture. The show went on so long and got so popular it became American culture and the family is no longer as normal or relatable, so Frank Grimes takes that role and rips on The Simpsons itself.

Patrick, the video and your take on Zemeckis’s career is dead on. But thought Allied was really underrated.

What do you think about Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, the Sony CGI film?

What's with the contrasting sound quality?

I disagree with Patrick about directors losing themselves with getting obsessed with tech. IMO it's great, because any director can focus on making "great" films or films that will make a profit for a studio, but very few have the power to experiment, and it's a big part of movies. Like maybe the 60fps 3d stuff won't work, but I'm glad Ang Lee is trying it, because who else is given that rope to do it? We can't just think of cinema as entertainment sometimes we need the weirdos to push the medium forward not just with story/characters but where it actually matters, in the tech. The day cinema stops pushing CGI, cameras, etc is the day it dies. We know damn well movies like Marvel/star wars don't do that anymore. Which is why Lucas hated the new trilogy. Which why all marvel films have looked the same for ten plus years

26:40 That is EXACTLY the reason he did it this way. It seems ridiculous, because if he actually mo-capped the actors and had them there on a set, all he really was changing was the lighting and the set dressing and that sort of thing.

Yes, more like this.

5:50 yea that subconscious thing is how I imagine Christopher Nolan somehow decides that every protagonist in his movie must look like he does, dress like he does, have his slicked back hairstyle..its a bit weird, obviously theres costume and makeup people involved ,but i reckon he just always gives them the same notes...not like...he should look like me...but he should look like a suave british gentleman with a good sense of dress and slicked back hair...

@exhermit

4 жыл бұрын

I guess he’s broken that trend with Tenet then

Erm excuse me good sir. Could you kindly inform us on how to acquire that shirt? The world is saddly lacking good Rian Johnson t shirts and I, my sister and many others well...we freaking NEED it OKAY?!

You need to do a Bong Joon-ho Retrospective

If a technology allows us to bypass a several hundred person crew for lighting, grip, rigging, Set Dec and a minimum 5 to 10 person camera crew, then I'm all in.

Its oddly surreal to see David after him being a disembodied voice in my earbuds for over a decade.

NICE. SHIRT.

More commentary tracks

Found out some interesting details about Witches remake it will take place 1969 or 59 in Georgia and will be staring an African American child in the lead

@tristanhartup4936

2 жыл бұрын

I smell heavy-handed allegories with those decisions.

It may not be that dissimilar to 80s albums by 70s artists. Rod Stewart knows what a great sounding record sounds like, but compare "Maggie May" to "Young Turks." Eventually the technical people are engaged in all this stuff and directors rely on these people so heavily they feel like that they have to keep up.

You should do a similar video about Sam Raimi.

this is a cool room.

@babinsk2

4 жыл бұрын

also do more of these please

Just send me a timestamp when they talk about what lies Beneath

@harrymarkandjohn

4 жыл бұрын

8:00 - the discussion is not long though...

@mrflipperinvader7922

9 ай бұрын

@@harrymarkandjohn thank you

Your sweatshirt... lol

I miss Michael Mann :(

David’s voice does not match his appearance..... Still love his Super 8 shirt though

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Maybe I should make a video on this, because it's something I tend to babble on about. In short. You are completely wrong about Forrest Gump. And if your where right about why it was successful, it would hardly have been successful outside of America, where, remember, nothing at all was booming after the war except for in Germany and Japan, and there isn't much love for American nationalism to be found, because it's gross. Yes, Forrest Gump, the conforming simpleton, has no idea what's going on yet somehow does great in every decade. The book and the film shines a light on the absurdity and satire of life in general and American society in particular. It's not an endorsement in any way shape or form of conformity. That the story should be an ode to the American dream seems to me to be quite a funny blind spot of the American psyche. If anything, it could be a mild precursor to Roy Andersson's 2000-2014 film trilogy. People definitely knew that and saw/felt it that way when it was originally in theaters. At least outside America. Otherwise it just wouldn't have been the international hit it was. The problem today is that now when we [and this is where I realize a very important word concept doesn't exist in the English language, but it basically means something like "to live oneself into something" or maybe "feeling oneself in something"(no, not quite empathise, and definitely not sympathize)], we might mistake that for someone manipulating us into agreeing with a point of view, but this isn't Facebook or a piece of propaganda; it's art! That's the faulty logic that leads people to conclude that 'Joker' endorses or condones violence. Because the film maker is effective in immersing us in his made up world. It's also a mistake to try and find "the one single message" in such a movie. Its scope is way too broad for that. Save that excercise for short films and blockbusters. Now I'm wondering if this missing word concept of "living oneself into something" is the reason there are so many frequent and silly art related controversies in English language countries.

your voice sounds AI generated

Because neither of you lived through the 60's, 70's, or 80's, and BARELY experienced the 90's, you just don't have a frame of reference for what Forrest Gump was, or what it meant to people... so you sit there and say it's about conformity, and that it's a "greatest hits reel" of the 20th century. First of all, when Forrest is a boy, he's chilling with Elvis. So right away, it's not a greatest hits reel of the 20th century, since it skips the entire first half of the 1900's, and doesn't even try to touch on WWII (THE biggest event of the 20th century) or Korea. Secondly, most movies have multiple themes, so the conformity thing is possibly (probably?) true as a theme, even if it was at a subconscious level for Zemekis. But what the movie really is about, what it's main purpose is... Catharsis. The 50's and 60's were tumultuous. The 70's were a drag, as Watergate taught us that our government has lots of corruption. The 80's were a hellscape of cocaine, bad hair, and Bon Jovi, not to mention the whole "Reagan Revolution," which just blew chunks. So what you missed, not having gone through all that, was that Forrest drifts through these horrible events, but EVENTUALLY comes out the other side mostly OK. Which is how we all felt in the 90's. We'd just been through 30-40 years of shite, and we felt like we made it out and were gonna be OK. So Forrest is the audience, but the main idea isn't conformity, but just about how we all felt in the 90's... that we'd been though bad times that we had almost no control over, and those bad times were finally over.

@richardrude2819

4 жыл бұрын

Sure but if Forrest is the audience, doesn't that mean Zemeckis also says that the audience didn't do anything to influence how things turned out? As you say Forrest drifts through these events without any kind of real agency. I think that would be an utterly condescending way of looking at a time that saw people stand up for civil rights or against the Vietnam war. The movie treats those who actually fought injustice horribly if you look at their stand-in, the character of Jenny while it celebrates those who apathetically sat on the sidelines.