Really wish they would add the Cerberus and the axe to outbreak

@georgepig3745

2 жыл бұрын

I think they added the Cerberus to outbreak If not I am confused

@aname6771

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgepig3745 they didn’t

@dianaxhercooles

2 жыл бұрын

they will not add them to Outbreak beacause the Story from Outbreak plays before Mauer der Toten and after Firebase Z, so there is no reason to bring Wonder Weapons to this Mode, because they don't "exist" at that point of time or so...

@Princeify

2 жыл бұрын

@@dianaxhercooles I think outbreak is somewhat out of time cause the Easter Egg is definitely before Mauer but they've added audio logs and stuff into outbreak that's from after the events of Mauer. Two that come to mind are Weaver congratulating Requiem for their bravery while under Kravchenko's command and Carver visiting Raptor-1 in the hospital fter being rescued.

@motosmith600

2 жыл бұрын

@@dianaxhercooles outbreak takes place after firebaze z all the way up to the end of forsaken

5:30 that 1hp clutch tho

First person I’ve seen who put the explosive CBRS mod so low on the list, Nevermind below the laser mod. Interesting take

@christopherobrien4002

2 жыл бұрын

I just came down to the comment section to comment that

@michaelzhang9806

2 жыл бұрын

The default CBRS is the best, with the explosive one being a close second and the shotgun and laser one are just bad.

@christopherobrien4002

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelzhang9806 yeah I’m assuming you just did CRBR-S mods here bc explosive still ranks below the ray gun and rai-k

@michaelzhang9806

2 жыл бұрын

Christopher O'Brien yeah, in terms of base wonder weapons I’d without variants I’d put the Chrysalax as the best, with the Cerberus are a second, then the Ray Gun and RayK with the D.I.E being last. Not because it’s bad but because it’s just not that good compared to the competition. Also, the Ray Gun and RayK could be swapped but in my opinion the Ray Gun is better since it has splash and higher damage.

@drakestrong6587

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherobrien4002 just commented this and the fact that the fire shockwave is the same as the regular one but with something like 3x the damage

You forgot to add Pats hot sauce as an honourable mention. Looked pretty effective when it shot into your eye

@fluxfy7177

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao this tier list is a April fool's prank

@SlimShadyZA

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao I watched Pat's video of him returning back to the Z house, it's amazing

@neroblackstone4350

2 жыл бұрын

@@SlimShadyZA who slaps hot sauce like that?😂 where I’m from, hot sauce is noticeably more liquid/watery than any other sauce

@SlimShadyZA

2 жыл бұрын

@@neroblackstone4350 To be honest with you, I don't know why🤣🤣🤣

Some weapons, like the Milano you mentioned, have a open bolt delay. When the trigger is pulled, bolt goes forward chambering the bullet and firing it and that causes the delay.

For the axe, you have to upgrade your melee stuff to regain health, and it does regain shield I don’t think you have to upgrade melee for that, and it has unlimited ammo, because it’s an axe. In my eyes I see it as the best wonder weapon in Cold War, and we have different opinions, people need to remember we have our own opinions

@jeremielerat8899

2 жыл бұрын

I love the axe so much, the fact that you collect ammo for the different variant by using the other variant is such a good mechanic, also the other function of the axe variant where you can throw a beam that can linger is so op

@anunknownindividual1714

Жыл бұрын

Chrysalax will never be the best wonder weapon and Rai K-84 literally does that all day long without a problem

@clayplay7102

11 ай бұрын

@@anunknownindividual1714 bro with chrysalax you are basically invincible if melee is fully upgraded

@Selene.s-death-dealer

10 ай бұрын

​@@anunknownindividual1714 bro the Rai K-84 you just gotta get lucky that your timing on shooting the orb is 100% accurate or your dead. with the chrysalax fully upgraded melee that can take you to round 100 or beyond and your basically invincible. the Rai k-84 will run out of ammo and the zombies will be to tough to kill which means no ammo no clue what you're talking about.

So glad the DIE got its upgrade! It honestly improves outbreak and die machina so much

@Agent8ofthesquidbeaksplatoon

Жыл бұрын

Yeah when the health cap was 30,000 and it was a two shot on high rounds but now since the health cap is 60,000 and the die does 30,000 on max pap on high rounds the die is a two shot just like it was on launch

I love the mauer der toten power room high round strat, it’s so much fun. The CRBS has got to be goated, it is literal aimbot

The Halloween event in zombies has a type of chest that is a jack-o lantern that drops from zombies,that literally gives free pack-a punch and free wonder weapon,you get max pack a punch for free.

The chrysalax gun has an ability that explodes zombies and does infinite damage so its #1 for me just for pure damage

@ZephyreWasHere

10 ай бұрын

How do you do it

@Selene.s-death-dealer

10 ай бұрын

I've never witness the chrysalax gun to do infinite damage sure takes A LOT of ammo to take out a small horde I prefer the axe more.

@italliancanadiancommunist4556

10 ай бұрын

@@Selene.s-death-dealer use the gun, it sometimes explodes which instantly kills all zombies in a radius regardless of rounds. it doesnt take alot of ammo at all

@Selene.s-death-dealer

10 ай бұрын

@@italliancanadiancommunist4556 alright but for now I will stick to the one and only thumper

I don't know what it is, but the Rai K 84 just hits different with me. It might be in my top 5 wonder weapons of all time

@bozzmovez695

2 жыл бұрын

I always felt like the rai k didnt do much damage espcially against orda but the slow mode is the best mode of the weapon for high rounds and holdout

@charlesxcalibur

2 жыл бұрын

@@bozzmovez695 i think they should do what they did with the crbr-s where the bullet doesn't even need to hit the zombie to kill it and it can whizz by the zombie and damage it. And the damage should be increased a little

@Tsareena54i

2 жыл бұрын

Thats bc it is in the top 5 ww of all time. All the other ww are shit without ring of fire after round 55

@bozzmovez695

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlesxcalibur sorry for the late reply but yes the rai k needs more damage round wise in order for me ro actually use it. I still havent even played the new map to get the new wonder weapon yet

@davidn.2555

2 жыл бұрын

It is my favorite as well. Especially now it's back to its full potential of clearing a hoard on one shot.

The die shockwave is insane for outbreak and killing bosses super fast, you have to give it a try. Easily my #2, behind the crystal axe 😅

@TheCleverJoker

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean electrobolt or base variant? Electrobolt is way better than shockwave.

@Jspjhabitpasici

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCleverJoker no, not anymore cause die shockwave can be pap so it kills zombies in 2 shots max and it have alot more of ammo than before, you should give it a try at high rounds it is way better than die electrobolt

@concon-nu7uu

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jspjhabitpasici iirc all the die variants can be pap'd

I'd put the axe over the Cerberus because of that healing factor, it's just that good. Gives you armor as well

@Geyrider

Жыл бұрын

Also it has unlimited ammo

@youtubeaccountserio2633

9 ай бұрын

Ammo is not really an issue in Cold War zombies

@ricktheweeb5382

9 ай бұрын

it actually is i cant tell you how many times ive run out of ammo with my melee weapons

They also changed the ammo mag count for the Pack-a-Punched hauer. 20 to 17. That was a long time ago

The crystal axe also heals armour

note: the chrysalax savager and packapunched variants seem to grant armor on every kill, similar to upgraded frenzied guard

@samrivera7473

2 жыл бұрын

It does which is why I think it’s the best one

been subbed since around cold wars launch, keep up the good content

great content!! keep it coming

The trigger delay on the normal bullet weapons is added for realism as they are open bolt

"I hope they carry on with these types of wonder weapons" - Vanguard, "Let me ruin it quick"

Just because of the fact that its impossible for you to die before round 46 on Forsaken because of the Chrysilax having the ability to heal you and your armor after every hit I would for sure put the Chrysilax above the CRBR-S

I would consider all the mods to be part of the CRBR-S and it's variants to all be one weapon. Usually the variants are different. But in the case of that map picking up a mod will grant it to you and give you ammo. Which makes it mechanically different then the others. It makes it more usual in certain aspects because of the fact it can refill ammo.

Yes my favorite COD Zombies KZreadr uploaded

I didn’t spend a lot of time on Mauer and only used the CBRS once so I don’t really have much of an opinion on it being where it is. I personally enjoy using the ray gun most obviously for nostalgia and it just makes me happy when I’m in the high rounds and the ray gun is still actually killing when that has never been true. But I’m sure if I had more time with the CBRS I’d agree

@elijahzamora3733

2 жыл бұрын

yes trust me you would agree just think of a ray gun with double tap and twice the damage and twice the fire rate that’s the cbrs the cbrs is amazing i love it

The should have detached the outbreak mode from the rest of the story so we can use all Wonder Weapons in outbreak.

@bradking420

2 жыл бұрын

They could have still put them in but we are dealing with lazy developers...

@squ1dz814

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradking420 it not down to lazy developers. The whole game is story based. Outbreak happened after DM anf FBz but before mauer and forsaken. Teams that went to the ural mountains do not have access to those weapons nor do they know they exist. That is the reason we wont see them in outbreak. Treyarch have already stated in a previous interview a few weeks back.

@bradking420

2 жыл бұрын

@@squ1dz814 they still could have put them in outbreak especially since the story is done and over with. Just like playing as Maxis in Forsaken makes no sense and should be impossible story wise you can still do it. Same with the D.I.E WW it shouldn't be able to be pap but now it can be since they simply made it possible.

@squ1dz814

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradking420 But thats the point. The story might be finished but the maps still follow the story. Not everyone has completed it, there will still be people buying it now. You can't just change a story after its finished. The story is the story and treyarch are sticking to it. Adding those 2 weapons will not match anything in outbreak, will make it too easy and will not make sense when people are still yet to complete legion. Story comes first I'm afraid bud. PAPing the die doesn't affect the story in anyway. You're missing the point that the time outbreak is set and will always be set the cerbrus and the axe do not exist and won't exist.

@bradking420

2 жыл бұрын

@@squ1dz814 but with all the other inconsistencies this would be one of the least and not one people would complain about. I get what you are saying but it's a game, they can do anything with it to make it fit. Like the portals, that could easily explain why they appear. Things have been brought in from other times and dimensions so a schematic for a weapon or the weapon itself could make it through.

My go to loadout for round 100 is noob toob with shatter blast, raygun, and etool

The Crysaxe is first in my opinion because not only does it heal you it also repairs your armor so you actually become unkillable while using the melee it's absurd I think it's probably a contender for the most overpowered wonder weapon in COD zombies history I can't think of any other weapon that makes you unkillable yeah the thunder gun and the apothicon servant had infinite killing potential but they had ammo problems you can't run out of an axe swing

@angler7345

Жыл бұрын

after round 44 its effectiveness plummets and becomes more of a problem than a solution, I have got to 200 on each of these maps and I can confirm I dropped this wonder weapon in a heartbeat as soon as it round 44 because you are either going to die in a corner or take 500 ears swinging in the open to get past one round from 50+

@Selene.s-death-dealer

10 ай бұрын

​@@angler7345 after round 50 I rely on C4 and Semtex grenades and only I use the axe if I have maxed out ring of fire and the ray gun my load out gun wise for round 50+ I had the Hauer level 3 pack a punch the axe level 3 pack a punch and same with the ray gun and get armor and all that I train the zombies in Any town west right by the tv store in that big open lot Armor station nearby and a crafting bench I get all the salvage I can and I use the axe and the ray gun till round 45 then from 45 to 60 I use ring of fire with the axe and ray gun and start using C4 it's real tricky to get to that bench mid round 55 so then I use those black hole grenades those kasimirs or whatever and just rely on explosives from round 60+ as well as the ring of fire it can get really hard very quickly setting up I also don't start the Easter egg cutscene so box hits are crucial I didn't get the wonder weapons in forsaken till round 40 so I kept using the Hauer I still rely heavily on that shotgun.

Thanks Mayt

Yikes I have never didsagreed with one of your lists more but still love the vids keep it up

Thx for the video, I’mma buy Cold War now

I'd actually like to say that I found the rocket variant of the Cerberus to be significantly more useful than the blazer. In circumstances when I need to revive my teammates (Im primarily a support), having the rockets to spam at my feet without taking splash damage creates a GIANT buffer for me to work with. The blazer also just... doesn't have that much utility or train/horde melting ability? Like yeah it's great for getting rid of big shit like Soldats and Megatons, but so is the base Cerberus. Honestly think it should've been placed lower on the list, but that's just me.

Thermophasic D.I.E is excellent at deleting the Megaton in the early - mid rounds. However it drops off QUICK. Once you get to around round 50, you're much better off getting the Electrobolt instead. That might even be stretching it

@KushGenie

2 жыл бұрын

Use the D.I.E shockwave and ring of fire

@LaBossBrown

10 ай бұрын

With 2 people doing Easter egg I like thermo and he has electro. Cus it deletes the megatons

i’m not a huge zombies player and what not and i have no idea what most of this is but love the content

The Electrobolt DieMachine melts the black chest pink orbs in seconds on outbreak making it pretty awesome now. Can open black chests in no time.

@asie2717

2 жыл бұрын

Use the reg shockwave upgrade its one shit for black chest

@travisscottlover911

2 жыл бұрын

@@asie2717 one shit

That CRBRS Blaze glaze is insane

Rai-k not useful in outbreak? It's actually extremely useful especially in holdout.Instead of trying to kill 3 megatons, just slow them down with the blast.With the buff,it does a better job at killing zombies.

@pipedup

2 жыл бұрын

100 percent the rai-k is my go to wonder weapon every outbreak game They just buffed all the wonder weapons so now that secondary fire more is even more effective

The packed poison variant of the d.i.e got my me my first die maschine round 100

try the electric DIE machine on the Orda... its a straight killer. I think it should have been hire on this list.

The first one is quite good now idk if it's changed and one of the variants shreds and let's you run at like sonic speed while shooting

Absolutely crazy that you say the thermophasic die is the worst. It literally one hits bosses until round like 40, and then it 2 hits. Thermo is amazing

I 100% agree with this list

Wat makes cbrs even better is that u can refil ur ammo to max just by picking up the ammo mods, wich drops pretty commonly

@ricktheweeb5382

9 ай бұрын

only reason i use them tbh

the dead immolator is one of if n on the best weapon for killing bosses you have NO idea how good it is

Did you forget the m79 , famously called the thumper is the best wonder weapon , cause when you pair it with phd , and an ammo mode it’s ludicrous, even on bosses

@fluxfy7177

2 жыл бұрын

It's not a "wonder weapon" due to being able to tier it up

@fluxfy7177

2 жыл бұрын

But it's the best weapon in the game for zombies

@mreggsplays2080

2 жыл бұрын

how is the M79 a Wúnderwaffe?

I love the rai-k could it have been better? Of course, but the design, the look I think was a nice surprise

Will you start doing rankings of all bosses or wonder weapons or maps in all of Treyarch zombies???

underraated the swarm, if you train, up till round 40 ish, 2 bursts kill an entire hoard.

Great list but i like both the shotgun and swarm variant better than the base CRBR-S

my tier list CRB-S #1 RAI-K #2 that one stupid axe in forsaken #3 D.I.E Shockwave #4

How would you rank the Cerberus comprared to the other games?

The Ray Charles joke had me cracking up

@sin6736

2 жыл бұрын

You’re the only one

Nice😁

the ceberus original is a gun the gets double tap, truly deserving the title of number one

I think the trigger delay you're talking about it's sprint to fire time

If you’re playing Outbreak, the electric DIE variant literally deletes the Orda.

The electro bolt is by far the best die variant

U can also press lt l2 with crystal axe and it’s shoots soemt similar to rai k turnado

ok so when it was first out is allowed so the die fire variant could one shot the red megaton on die maschine up to round 70 the gas and ice are below the fire

D.i.e electric upgrade fully packed is legit the best gun in the game.

My personal list 1 - CRBRS (laser varient the shit can pass through a entire horde) 2 - CRBRS base 3 - ray gun 4 - the cristalaix 5 - die electro bolt 6 - die nova 5 7 - the rayK84 8 - die shock wave 9 - CRBRS ( tracking bolts thing ) 10 - die fir burst or what ever it’s called 11 - CRBRS shoot gun variante 12 - die cayofrez Feel free to start a war under this comment

@fluxfy7177

2 жыл бұрын

Not really a war but I'd put nova above lighting maybe that's just because I'm bias

@Am-ugly_af1

2 жыл бұрын

@@fluxfy7177 the nova is only good for the EE in die machine and the electro bolt is good for both die machine and outbreak

Recently the ray gun feels like it falls with pack 3 after the 20's

The toxic die machine is pretty op if you train the zombies into a narrow area, and use its alternate fire while zombies are in the cloud. I got to round 100 super easy with it

gas variant with pack a punch 3 is opp

The D.I.E variants all have infinet ammo, the should take the top 5 spots.

If the fire D.I.E had the napalm burst tear affect it would have been better

You should rank all the melee weapons, I’m a knifer who knows way too much about the stats and wanna hear how my opinion stacks against the pros :)

@sawyerdonnel6985

2 жыл бұрын

Which one do you have most fun with? Say on outbreak for example

@notgabriel8624

2 жыл бұрын

@@sawyerdonnel6985 on Outbreak it’s no contest the Sai’s. The mobility alone is amazing and it really changes how you navigate the maps, whether it be chain sliding or jumping really far off buildings. I tested it on Ruka, with PHD and Staminup I was able to chain slides ALL THE WAY across the map from one side to the other. Only disadvantage is it drops off in damage, while other melees at the max upgrades will always one shot basic zombies, the Sai will two shot at that point. But since you can use Shatter blast to wipe hordes you’re only really going from carelessly op to just as careful as other the melees with big hordes.

die cryo variant is really good for coop

I know this is almost 2 months later, but I still think when I had the CRBR-S it wasn't good round 34+ same as the Chrysalaxe, its 2 swing kill round 34 and up. Adding them to outbreak would be nice though. Since collateral is post-mdt it should be technically added.

The chrysalax has too much of a drop off its great but if youre high rounding forget it

@Selene.s-death-dealer

10 ай бұрын

The axe with ring of fire and explosives is high round strat

we aint gon talk about that accuracy at 12:56???

I think the axe is the best because you can just camp with stims be because the axe repairs armor so you can just camp somewhere and go to round whatever I camped near the wonder fizz and got to round like 40-50 and got the axe the ray gun and the orien 777 to packapuch 3 also got all of the perks not to mention it’s very easy to get yurt do trails you should get it in the first legendary or second you should get it.ps the cerbius is better then the ray gun on every thing except nostalgia

My top 3 ww for outbreak 1.Rai k 2.Die electrovolt 3.Ray gun

@mecxu761

3 ай бұрын

This is also my top 3 ww list but it's for round base for me

Because the “worst one in your classification” is from DOOM, via PlayStation original gun as is the three headed “abomination” if none of you has seen the movie “doom” with what’s his nuts that also played on Reddick with Vin diesel. then they mixed the Halo Shotgun, via the first halo or second. It’s been a minute. the delay on the trigger was on doom too, the BFG charge up. I know only because it was the first game I ever played at 4 and that was 23 years ago.

If you aren't carrying the joltsurge on outbreak what are you doing with your life. It destroys the black chest orbs almost immediately. Not to mention the orda

Lol I can start with the axe or CRBR in any map lol

9:38 the electric variation should of had the shock aoe

How can you put the ray gun before the d.i.e you can literally go infinite rounds with the d.i.e.

M76 was actually really good but only if you have phd slider.

Easy for me. 1. Rai K 2. Ceberus 3. Axe 4. Ray gun 5. D.I.E

How is the ice day over the fire one

The real know the gas die weapon is the only way to go for the die machine EE 😆

1) I think the cryo die machine is better than the gas one 2) I kinda like the delay it makes it feel like it has a bit more power, like it has to charge up for a sec

@mecxu761

10 ай бұрын

Nah it's not it take 2 long to kills in high unlike the gas one which u can kill an entire hoard of zombies in like 1-2 shots with the sucking

Epic Ray Charles ioke

I love the chryslax don't know if that's how you spell it but the wonder weapon from foresaken

@Fireangel4204

2 жыл бұрын

Crystalaxe

I wish they would would make it so u can get any wonder weapon in any map

Yall forget the electro-bolt can murder a orda in outbreak in just seconds.

Btw the crsyl axe repairs your armor

Finally

I think the fire vveriant is slightly better than the ice. But a good list

Fire die was so good for elites in 40+

I think seeker should be higher on this list bc of the dps it does on special zombies

I agree with most of the list except I would put the axe in no 1 and Cerberus in no 2. The fact that the axe insta kills up to around round 40 and if you have max melee you just never die. Also The DIE (no mod and electrobolt) are really good because they are also technically infinite ammo. You didn't mention in your video but the electrobolt does more damage the longer you are holding the trigger (up to a cap) but the dps on it is insane. All the DIE variants are infinite ammo and I think a very underrated part of the weapon is the slow it does to all the zombies (including hounds and elites). It scales with health so it's basically viable no matter the round. edit: added some more info

@mecxu761

Жыл бұрын

yeah but the ice & fire die aren't good in high rounds

I tried getting round 100 on mauer and I found it very hard after round 55 the WW just wasn’t killing them fast enough and ring was helping a lot but after that ran out it was very hard

@jayquickscope4446

2 жыл бұрын

After your ring runs ppull out a semtex throw it at the window with no barrier and if that doesnt fill it whip out a war machine and fire one shot and it should be full again then switch back to the wonder weapon and have lt-53 kazmir grenades for panick situations

@luckhyy6968

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayquickscope4446 oh so after 55 your just relying on ring I wasn’t really using anything apart from the WW which I was doing wrong thank you

The ray gun, in my mind, should be better any other gun, but the WW of the map should be better

"...sort of has the same problem as Origins, where you build the wonder weapons, but you dont necessarily use them a whole lot during the game itself..." WHAAAAAAAAT!?!?!?!?!?!? Bro if you didnt actually hardcore play Origins, just say that Chop...the process of building and upgrading one of the Ultimate Staves is the absolute main reason to keep coming back to Origins bro

I think the shock wave is better than electrical

I agree with your list CBRS is the best Wunder weapon but it’s a shame is not on outbreak 💔💔

It depends because against legion not everything is effective

I think the D.I.E is the best now with the pack a punch

I know these are all opinion based but I am itching to say this Given that I have gotten to 200 on each map, I can say this this whole list is literally a "The Giant" mindset The only wonder weapon and I mean JUST the weapon on its own without the need of having a second gun that can comfortably wreak havoc is the Rai K That gun is slept on more than anything and really should be the number 1 spot in a ranking cold war wonder weapons video. The fact that it is the only wonder weapon that can wipe hordes out on any round blows weapons like the chrysalax out of the water because we all know nobody is rocking the chrysalax or electrobolt at 50+ unless you like spending 50 years to get past a round on 70+ CRBRS is one of the only guns that can show something compared to it, and Ray Gun can somewhat do it, but neither of them hold a candle The Thermophasic has been criminally dogged on as that is one of the only 2 wonder weapons (Rai K respectively) that can instantly kill, sure it isnt a good camper but if you are a training guy then why dog the fire variant? it is so dumb I dont mean to sound harsh in this comment but infuriates me when the best guns are just seen as trash compared to guns, people really should think about how effective it is in the long term, and not "I got to round 30 so easily with this gun" Overall this is an L tier list, Chrysalax should be way lower, Thermophasic should be way higher or at the very least higher than the Ice variant, and Rai K should without doubt be the number one spot.

@mecxu761

Жыл бұрын

-Finaly someone who didn't talk trash about the rai k it's by far the best ww always one shot hordes & slow down bosses it's very as soon u very fast & know how to switch between all modes fast -The die nova 5 & electrobolt are the best for high rounds then u have base die shockwawe & thermophasic are decent then cryo is the wosrt ww overall the dies are decent -The chrysalaxe is garbage after round 45 it's way too overrated -crbr s & ray gun are so good & kill very fast

@Selene.s-death-dealer

10 ай бұрын

Chrysalax is good till round 100 but you desperately need to rely on ring of fire without killing yourself

@mecxu761

5 ай бұрын

​@@Selene.s-death-dealer Using RoF just show how bad the ww is

@Selene.s-death-dealer

5 ай бұрын

@@mecxu761 100% agree with that a ww should be good even without ring of fire. I haven't done a round 100 run in like 4 months but I go for 50 minimum. I'm. It trying to use wonder weapon's anymore I'm trying to get dark aether camo for my guns almost there. Snipers are going to give me a very difficult time 😅 I'm currently working on my assault rifles. Other wonder weapon's are good just got to know the strategy they are meant for the Chrysalax is meant for running into hordes or camping legitimate ass off in a corner but the abominations will tear you apart other ww are either Training or camping like how cod has always been.