How to get your first coding job: coderfoundry.com/jobroadmap

3 Ways to do it - 2 yr vs 4yr 1:20 - 4 Year Program 1:38 Masters Program 1:52 College is all three 2:05 Self Taught Learning 2:15 CS wasn’t relevant at the time 2:50 Most popular - love it or hate it Coding Bootcamps - built for creating people who can code on the things we need tomorrow - CS wasn’t always for what we needed tomorrow - Closer to what employers want - 8-9 Hours p/day for 12+ weeks. 3:55 Primary Focus - 1 Stack, project based 4:18 Which is best - All three work 4:36 Personal Experience 5:00 I’ve used all three methods 5:20 Which works? 5:48 Don’t listen to the noise 5:55 All three are working 6:05 Which is the best way for you 6:32 Everyone who knows how to code is employed 6:55 We don’t care where or how you learned 7:04 If can make the product or service work, you will always have a job 7:44 Economic Mobilizer - Mobile in pay, location, and in job - No longer stuck 8:15 Primary Differences 8:33 Bootcamps are relatively inexpensive 8:44 Both CS and Bootcamps - same Junior Dev job 9:20 Self taught - least expensive of them all 9:45 I want you to worry about this one thing...Online Bootcamps 9:55 Bootcamps are immersive, in person - Coach, Mentor to unstick and encourage you. 10:27 Online Bootcamps is watching but lacks 20 yr. veteran teaching you how to code 11:09 Bootcamp = 12 weeks before first job vs 4-6 years for CS grad 12:00 Employers May pay for CS degree after you’re hired 12:11 Bootcamps win argument in time to job 12:25 Bootcamps are highly regulated for VA and GI Bill in terms of completion rate and employment rates 13:17 Online Bootcamps self report 50-60% completion rate - direct correlation to live support. 13:40 CS degree college completion rate - 28% change degree before completing - 50-60% complete CS degree (dude to time/life factors) 14:20 Completion rate for bootcamps - 80-85% 14:50 Instructor, coaching, mentoring drives completion rate 15:02 Regulatory standards ensure higher outcomes 15:30 Advice - Learn fast, learn quick, get a job and get paid. 15:50 Best option I can take...take free basic courses on JavaScript, do not over learn. Spend weeks (Not months or years), then take that skill into a full-time immersive bootcamp (part or full-time). Learn from an instructor and get a job, then jump to a CS degree program (maybe paid by employer). Get CS degree after you’re employed. 16:47 BEST top-secret way to use all three. 17:00 Still want help, go to coderfoundry.com/jobroadmap. 17:13 Good luck, and keep coding!

@HashimWarren

4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant!

@bolajiadeyoola2281

4 жыл бұрын

Good man!

@HashimWarren

4 жыл бұрын

Wow! Thanks!

@kme3894

2 жыл бұрын

thank you!

"Don't over learn" was the guidance I needed. I have been learning basic JavaScript (including html/css) and I am starting a local bootcamp here in Kansas City in a few months. I have been pressuring myself to study and learn as much as possible so I can get the most out of the bootcamp but it's felt wrong. Thank you my friend!

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

Adam, you’re welcome. Good luck on your learning journey.

@adammac125

4 жыл бұрын

@@CoderFoundry thank you. Been through several of your videos now and it's providing a lot of clarity on how to shape my career, what I really want out of it, and how I can make a positive impact. You're the man!

@israelguillermo2387

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Mac hey Adam, I am on your same boat and I’m also starting a local bootcamp in Overland Park KS. Would love to connect through discord or through LinkedIn!

@hjjbjbjbjb

2 жыл бұрын

I live out of Kansas City too. Which coding school did you end up going to around here? (If you don’t mind me asking).

@chills1884

2 жыл бұрын

@@hjjbjbjbjb I'm attending KU BOOT CAMP in a month what about you?

It’s interesting when you brought up in the video “all over the world we are pushing coding.” In one of my Econ courses we got into the topic of automation and whether there will be jobs in the future. My teacher said that there will always be jobs but as we have seen in the past jobs change over time. To use his words he said “ In the future there will be people who own the robots, people who build the robots, and people who fix the robots.” Of course that’s an oversimplification but I think he makes a good point. In the future coding will just more and more prevalent. I’m an economics graduate and almost every job I apply to expects you to at least been exposed to code and prefers if you have written your own code. Sorry for the long winded comment but what you said made me think of my teacher.

Not sure how I didn’t see this video a year ago, but I did self taught for a year before signing up for a boot camp. Great advice here.

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Best advice I’ve heard! I’m going to do just about that. Do boot camp first, get a job and then pursue my CS- Bachelors Degree at a University🤗 Thank you so much! 😊

Best advice ever! I just did a master degree in Business Analytics and woooow a previous bootcamp in Data Science or Data analytics would have been incredible choice. Excelente advice: 1. Do pre-courses online and learn as much as you can 2. Go for a Bootcamp 3. Fin a job 4. Work and Study for your college education (hopefully employer will pay) 5. Be student debt free with TON of experience. This is something I wish to know before entering Uni.... Thanks for this fantastic video!

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm glad it helped.

Wow! I think this is the best analogy and advice I've seen on KZread

The difference is that with a degree you can get to management, I am self taught senior engineer but I hate humanities and soft skills dealing with people, good thing I'm making enough to do my start up and retire before 40

@recklezz4

3 жыл бұрын

How you got that first job?! Would be fun to hear that story.

@vinzer72frie

3 жыл бұрын

@@recklezz4 Nothing interesting about it, just like all hiring they needed certain skills and I had them. Of course the first job is always shitty poorly paid and too much work but its worth it just as soon as you have little experience all doors open. The market is just heavily under supplied they don't have the luxury to demand degrees and I can tell you this as employer too, last year I was lead in a project and I needed to hire people desperately but nobody met the criteria if there was any candidates to begin with. To this date no one ever questions me about a degree and hr people always give me funny looks when I say my price and that I don't hold a degree lol

@recklezz4

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinzer72frie haha good to hear! Thanks for sharing.

I study Comp. Engineering for the past 5 years, being on the last right now. The last thing you would ever expect from university attendance is guidance. I consider myself selftaught in many ways and most of the cources. I lost the opportunity of a free bootcamp with guaranteed job after it and I still regret it sometimes. A bachelor's degree though, will take you much further for sure. I've seen the "1 secret portfolio project" video, the bugtracker and I still find hard to get my head around building a solid portfolio. That's because, since I've scrached such diverse topics in bachelor and haven't implemented most of them, I don't know where to start from. If someone needs a job market ready solution quickly, bootcamps may be the solution, for now.

@monikkc3015

4 жыл бұрын

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@UnixBro

3 жыл бұрын

What is the name of the free bootcamp ?

Currently doing all 3 at once, and its working out great!

Great guidance and advise by all standards...I really enjoyed the latter part... Your summary hits the nail right on the head... Thanks 👍

i've started coding at the age of 15 got my masters degree in cs spec software engineering at the age of 24, and now i'm a lead software dev at the age of 32.

@el5880

4 жыл бұрын

FISS007 how’d you start @ 15?

@FISS007

4 жыл бұрын

@@el5880 Games programming =) and yeah i was 15 at the time ^^

@SP4NKH4RD

4 жыл бұрын

@Akmal Ruslan no, I'm 35 and I didn't start until I was 30. There's no age limit.

@numanhussain6080

4 жыл бұрын

I mean if you're like 110 it might be hard to get a job......

@FISS007

4 жыл бұрын

@Akmal Ruslan not at all ! just jump and swim :)

The best way is to learn. Just learn. Learn Everything.

I never see Information Technology degrees put into the mix for software engineering Yeah, we don't get those algo's but we get a lot of programming and project-based learning experience that you can argue you can get from bootcamps or from self teaching, but those resources you can only get from a 4-year college experience Plus, with being at a college, I can still get those traditional CS class structure along with my IT degree Obviously it isn't for everyone, and for those who solely want to get into software, you do have to take some hardware classes, but if you stick to those software tracks, it's another option Mileage may vary, obviously

I did my Software Engineering , and i learn C# (.Net) Microsoft Certified. ASP.net ASP.net MVC and Core totally self tough now thinking to learn Xamrin. for future will go to boot camp.

This was excellent advice. Thank you! Really liked your summary at the end.

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Im glad it helped.

I wanted to go to a daily boot-camp to learn C#, but the only one in my city (or even country now), has a 3 hour per day course, 3 times per week, for about 12 weeks. I was very skeptical about that, but the employment rate for the graduates were high, so I might as well give it a go, it's only 800 euros.

@UnixBro

3 жыл бұрын

Where do you live ? What is the name of the bootcamp as I am looking for a cheap bootcamp?

@Jellyfish60

3 жыл бұрын

@@UnixBro lithuania, it was Vilnius coding school

This guy is so real about industry. Years into c.s. degree and so much in his yt videos is new to me. I feel robbed by the education business tbh

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Coder Foundry is having to provide online bootcamps for the same price as the on-site immersive, and I'm considering it for the July - Sept session. How do you feel about online bootcamps now that online is the only option? If it's not the same experience, and it's new to your platform, why would I want to do it for the same price?

Wonderful video and encouragement thank you!

I find that, after experiencing 2 out of the three options, the messing component to really prepare a developer for a job is learning the supporting environment. You learn the language and in some cases how front end and back end work together. The big “surprise” when you finally land the first Dev job is, Agile management, scrums, sprites, GIT, automated testing frameworks, automated documentation frameworks, so on and so on. There is so much more than just knowing the language. Colleges or online learning don’t prepare you for this. I’m not sure if boot camp do or not.

I think the only problem of having the degree is the cost, everything is on internet, if someone needs experience there are a lot of open source projects to help and improve your experience.

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

The downside to the degree is both cost in terms of $ and time.

Bootcamps also compete with each other which incentives them to provide a better service.

You're the best! Thanks for your advices. I really appreciate it, you're honest, clear and you made me think in a better way. Thank you :)

I think that the 2-6% completion rates for online (self-taught) courses is very misleading, and can't be directly compared to the other completion rates you give. The reason for this is that a lot of people use these courses in order to try something out, without the intention of persevering. Contrast this to the person that has shelled out thousands (or tens of thousands) of dollars for a bootcamp or degree - these are (mostly) people that have made a commitment to persevere. If you managed to seperate out the people that were serious about developing their skills from the ones that weren't, you'd find that the completion rates for the online courses would be much higher (though still behind the bootcamp / degree, due to the cost factor also serving as a motivating factor). I think that the 'motivating factor' of having a tutor or other students physically present can easily be overstated.

@CrimsonKing666

4 жыл бұрын

I'm agree with you, I tried to learn about machine learning in one year and it never worked in the online programs, now I'm doing a master in machine learning in the OMSCs in georgia tech and the pressure and tutoring is making me learn.

@isoaxe

4 жыл бұрын

@@CrimsonKing666 I was actually considering that myself. I might DM you in the future to see how you got on and find out what you thought of it, if that's ok? What experience did you have going into the course and how long have you been doing it for?

I think computer science degree plus bootcamp is excellent result.

I think in the end everyone self thought but the only difference is boot camp you have some to review your stuff guide you and can get you a job computer science same thing but don't help to get a job I'm a self thought programmer I use sololearn leetcode and discord talk to people who are professional help me out too. I ask questions just finished learning python now I'm learning C++ just when you are self tough only you can motivate yourself to keep going.

Self taught is the worst. No outside verification of skill besides the interview. Hiring manager needs projects done so can settle. Good devs are applying at BigTech

I have an A.S. in IT with some college programming and now i'm studying C# on my own

Really curious as to how you got the data for the so called completion rate of people who are attempting to be self taught. How did they pile a group of people to find that data? The people who don’t complete it are not going to be out bragging about how they didn’t complete it. How would you even know who to ask that question to? And completion DOES NOT equal employment. I’ve known several people who never finished their boot camp because they got hired before they even finished it and I know one person who got hired before they finished the online course they were taking.

I like the idea of being self-taught, but that didn't work out for me motivation-wise. I'm poor, so a coding bootcamp was out of the question for me when free college is an option for me via need-based grants. Lots of general education and low level computer science courses I'll never use like Hardware and Operating Systems. But hey, I'm told that knowing such things will make me a better software engineer.

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t think a bootcamp is out the question. We offer a program that allows you to pay nothing upfront and you pay once you get a job. coderfoundry.com/launchpad

@ex0stasis72

4 жыл бұрын

@@CoderFoundry ya, I just noticed that on the website just now. That's pretty cool.

@froylanrodriguez54

4 жыл бұрын

@@CoderFoundry what happens if one fails to complete or pass the bootcamp?

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

One probably wouldn’t be there is the first place. We are very selective over who we let in. We take into account multiple criteria for entrance including grit factor.

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

@@froylanrodriguez54 So great question. For us we need you to build all the projects and pass the class so that we can get you a job. If you fail does mean you will never work in the industry? No. It means you will have to additional work beyond the bootcamp. Having said that we work very hard to make sure that you get all the support to pass. But we cannot guarantee you will pass our program. Also, we have have 2 week policy that you can drop and receive a full refund or cancel your ISA or loan. Call us to get more details if you are interested in attending.

How do you think we approach bootcamps these days with almost all of them going online?

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

I think most schools are online. Ours is virtual meaning live instruction and full time interaction with the instruction staff.

What are your thoughts on traditional bootcamps offering a remote option, like hackreactor?

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

As long as it’s the same product and you leave the program with a professional portfolio that can get you a job, then great!

I heart you so much. Thank you for this. *hugs*

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

We appreciate the kind words.

So what I am most curious about in regards to the differences between slef taught, bootcamps, and CS Degree is the difference in career advancement opportunities. I imagine the biggest advantage of the CS degree over the bootcamp and self taught is advancement opportunites because of the degree. Are supervisory positions, management, etc. more available across the board or is it equal across the board?

@CoderFoundry

Жыл бұрын

I have never been held back because of a lack of a cs degree. The software field largely is based on what you can do not where your education comes from.

Is it a good choice for a person who has just graduated from high school to enter a bootcamp rather than college because I don't work well with books and I'm more of a person who learns from practical teaching. Because I have this subject which I did in high-school called Computer Applications Technology (CAT). It is divided into two sections. Theory and Practical In the practical half, we didn't need to study, only practice. I excelled at that, I was the highest in the grade with practical, I even got 116/150 for the final exam However, on the theory side, I didn't do good, that requires you to read and study. I got 52/150, which pulled me to get to 56% for my final mark If it was only practical, I would have gotten 77%, but theory pulled me back University requires you to read and study However bootcamp, you just need to do the work directly which gets you job ready if I'm not mistaken

@CoderFoundry

8 ай бұрын

We code from day one in the bootcamp.

Thank you so much

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome we are glad it helped.

The guy with finance degree giving advice about what's CS. Take that on its own merit folks.

@CoderFoundry

2 жыл бұрын

A finance degree, a software consulting company and a bootcamp :)

I am a senior computer science student, and all I'm saying is don't go waste your 4 years of your life. College of engineering will give you depression and anxiety. 4 years cost around 50k school + living expenses. I am almost done, wish me luck👋Thank you for the great content in your channel👍

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

Good luck in your career.

Last time I checked half the CS grads from BCIT in British Columbia, Canada are not hired in a computer related field. You won't even get looked at if you don't have a degree from a recognized accredited school, HR will automatically trash your resume. Bootcamps might work in the US, but don't say that they are effective in any other job market.

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

Name checks out :)

@angryoldcanadian3905

3 жыл бұрын

@@CoderFoundry its basic experience in this market. I went to BCIT for computer systems in the 90's. Canada is a completely different job market. Degrees are everything. Job prospects are also low in the CS field. This is why I retrained as a Materials engineer. I know multiple people in the field, and it is a difficult field in Canada. One friend of mine is now doing help desk work after almost 30 years as a Database programmer. Your experience is based upon the US market, and like many Americans, you believe that your country's job market is similar to others.

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

@@angryoldcanadian3905 Fun fact we are interviewing 4 recent grads from our bootcamp for a role in British Columbia.

@angryoldcanadian3905

3 жыл бұрын

@@CoderFoundry good luck. My guess is that they won't be working longer than a temp workers. I live here and found the exact opposite of what you are telling everyone to be the norm. Edit: A brief examination on indeed for programmer jobs in BC, over half require a university degree and those that don't are temp contract work.

awesome video!

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andre.

Question. What is the point of going back and getting a CS degree once you’re employed and have real world experience ?

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

It can get you higher management positions in some companies, if that’s a route you want to take, or just for personal achievement.

Very interesting compareing thnx

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome Jondi.

I am taking a Web Development Cert. program at Devry University Online and has to be the worst education I've ever experienced. Now that I've wasted my money there I'm about to go to a bootcamp. I'll be spending the same amount of money without a 4 year degree! Sucks but I feel it's still a good investment in myself. Any thought? I see it as having a 4.0 GPA and then graduating from a bootcamp should get me into a great place.

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

It’s a smart move. A bootcamp gets you on a fast track.

Hello. So your launchpad program cannot be done online ? That program has to be in person ?

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

The launchpad program is available for our virtual students too. You just have to be in the US (citizen or permeant resident).

Self-taught + computer science degree

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

Good combo!

One disadvantage to a degree- most universities and colleges are not equipped to deal with people with math difficulties, especially considering that higher maths are stressed to a ridiculous extent compared to actual usage. (It has also been cited as an intentional barrier for women and minorities.) I see boot camps as the 'vocational-ed' version of code education.

Do you understand it’s important that the university needs to have the CS bachelor acredited to be able to apply for a master’s in computer science???

I think your fundamentally biased on this topic if you own a bootcamp.

@CoderFoundry

Жыл бұрын

What is your opinion on this topic?

The most controversial topic in 2019

Does code foundry accept the GI Bill?

@CoderFoundry

4 жыл бұрын

Not currently. I wish we could be we have several other payment options like ISA and loans.

Dundee.... How does anyone follow you... A 17 min video that could have been a 5 min vid. I put you on 2x speed and I still had to skip ahead... Honest criticism here. Besides that.. thank you for the over cluttered but somehow still ok content

@CoderFoundry

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks?

Online bootcamps are horseshit. Amen.

@byrongibby

4 жыл бұрын

Also, if you can afford a CS degree, do it. Campus life + knowledge for knowledge's sake > getting a job. Do any bootcamps discuss the Church-Turing thesis?

Great guidance and advise by all standards...I really enjoyed the latter part... Your summary hits the nail right on the head... Thanks 👍