Amazing how Cliffe has been doing this his whole life! Please don’t ever stop.

@junkgum

Жыл бұрын

Just a duty for Christians. We want hope, and we believe that God is love having power to provide while desiring us to understand his love and so we share the Gospel.

@epicofgilgamesh9964

Жыл бұрын

​@junkgum380 Yeah, I wouldn't call the Biblical god, loving. *This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. *It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! *Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.*** ***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.* The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice. *And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page. *If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.* www.evilbible.com/ Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector (A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".)

@herywong77

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I am a big fan of his works

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@junkgum Fascinating What kind of love permits the killing of children ?

Cliffe inspires me to get out there and proclaim the gospel. If I had an ounce of the knowledge and patience and he's shown for over 40 years doing this I'll have done a good job. Would love to meet you someday, a true legend of Christian apologetics.

@residuejunkie4321

Жыл бұрын

*If Cliffe knew scripture at all he would be warning you about the supernatiral changes in it.*

@briarpatchson3039

Жыл бұрын

​@residuejunkie1237 If you, read the Bible for yourself!!! You would realize how FOOLISH YOU REALLY ARE!😠 ✝️Romans 1:22-32 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

@drewbidoojitsu-gj8fu

Жыл бұрын

​@@residuejunkie4321can you please elaborate? I don't clearly understand your statement.

@residuejunkie4321

Жыл бұрын

​@@drewbidoojitsu-gj8fu*A lot of end time prophecies are being perfectly fulfilled which the vast majority of believers are totally unaware of! And this one is key to understanding all the rest.* Amos 8:11 “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:” Amos 8:12 “And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, (it was "south"), they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.” (KJV) *The first verse was written about what has already happened because there are no longer ANY HOLY BIBLES ON EARTH!!! They've ALL been supernaturally attacked in fulfillment of prophecy. And the second verse was written about when the films that document the bible changes are no longer able to be seen, which are the ONLY place on Earth where God's TRUE words can still be found without Satan's words mixed in, there and in written lists like the one at (amos) (8) (.) (org). So investigate this now because soon, they are going to cut the lights!* *I had studied and memorized scripture out of the same bible since 1961, and began seeing changes in it that I couldn't explain in 2014. Then in 2016 I got my first computer and finaly found out why and saw that there were other true followers of Christ that "prove all things" like we were commanded, who had found proof of what those verses originally said in the KJV just like I remembered....so I watched HUNDREDS of them over the last 7 years!* *Many prophecies are being fulfilled right now that only a tiny few are aware of. We all had previously misinterpreted them because we didn't consider that they could happen supernaturally. For those of us who can see this, it's the most exciting and faith strengthening thing that's ever happened in our lives!* *As a very effective tool for saving others from this "strong delusion" I saved some of the best films for showing many of the most important changes, and for pointing out all of the scripture that was written about this in my playlist which you can find by typing into KZread (PROOF OF BIBLE CHANGE RESIDUE JUNKIE ). I don't make films or money with my channel btw.* *I pray that many more will be blessed with eyes to see this incredible proof of the validity and accuracy of God's prophetic word, and how close we are to our Savior's return!!!* *PLEASE share that playlist because it's bringing strayed believers running back to God and they are writing to tell me so! Halleluyah!!!* 👉❕👉 *Whenever anyone is reading **_ANY_** bible now without knowing a **_LOT_** about what the thousands of supernatural changes in it are, Satan is laughing his tail off! And here's why, he understands why rat poison is 100% effective. It's 99.95% corn. Rats can't resist it and it kills every rat that eats it! They won't eat it if there's enough poison in it that they can taste it. He could have changed all the words, but then everyone would notice and quit reading it.👉👉👉 And he wouldn't have changed what he did if it wouldn't bring people to Hell!!! There are changes on every page of the KJV, more than any other translation...go figure. So if you aren't seeing changes on every page, you're doing exactly what Satan wants, eating his "rat poison"! I haven't opened my bible, (a KJV) that I got in 1961 and cherished my whole life, in over 6 years and will never read another one the rest of my life. I learned so much about this that I can't even LOOK at it now without getting a creepy feeling like looking at a Ouija board or a voodoo doll or something! 👉I give everybody the same advise, first watch all the films in my playlist which you'll find by just typing in (proof of bible change residue junkie) for a good understanding of how this is perfectly fulfilling many end time prophecies which we had all previously misinterpreted and to receive a 1,000% increase in faith,👉 then print out the PDF brother Tim has at his KJV restoration project at (I have to write this website in code or skroo tube won't post this comment!) amos ate dot oh are gee, of a long list of the changes that have been documented.👉 And then instead of reading any bible, watch as many of the other videos those channels have made on this as you can before the lights go out and Amos **8:12** is fulfilled too. That way you'll only be reading God's words instead of a mixture of His and Satan's. There'll be time to read Satan's rat poison later if you still want to.* *God bless!!!* ❤✝️💪

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯. AMEN 🙏❤️👊. Hell isn't emotional blackmail and horror for Eternity but punishment for our sins in the Will of our Eternal Creator God. Atheists seem to think that God cares if we know that He exists or not obviously don't understand why the last book of The Bible is called Revelation because He finally reveals Himself to the whole world. Jesus The Christ of Nazareth (Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) is The Son of The Living God came to save us from the Eternal consequences of our sins. I'm glad brother Cliffe Knechtle addressed that Evil is finally given what it deserves in Hell so Evil doesn't win. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

The last guy simply had the gospel all confused. We dont get salvation by doing good, we do good because we were saved. Thats the whole point of grace, thats what seperates Christianity from every other belief

@user-xc6ub5qb2m

3 ай бұрын

yes 100%. i couldn't agree more :)

Wish you good health Pastor Cliffe, God bless you. Love from Philippines❤

Hi Dear Bro Cliff, Greetings from India. I have watched several of your videos. Thank you so much for preaching the truth without getting offensive at these brainwashed young students. They need to face the truth of God's Word or they will continue to believe in all kinds of lies cleverly invented by cunning people. Please continue strong. Greetings to your son also. - Genie Cliff

Happy Belated Fathers day Pastor Cliffe and Pastor Stuart Knechtle MAy God bless your Family

My favorite line from Cliff: “If there is no God”

I love these videos, i love how sometimes its physically noticable that the Holy Spirit is slowly convicting people as they try to describe socialized morality and then listen to Cliffs rebuttals, I can almost literally see it in their face how the obsurdety slowly creeps in to their thoughts. I sometimes wonder how many people walk away saved because of how the Holy Spirit works through Cliff while he talks.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

They’re just ignorant to the arguments. Cliffs argument for objective morality is actually stupid

@squeaksohko5863

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 oh really? So sexually molesting a new born baby isn't objectively immoral? Do you mean to say in certain cases it's completely ok?

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@squeaksohko5863 Well, it could be objectively wrong to sexually molest a baby You don’t require a God to make that claim

@squeaksohko5863

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 but if you leave it up to human concepts then there is no objective right or wrong, moral or immoral. Only subjective and dependent to what culture you grow up in. In one culture it's completely ok to fly a full plane of innocent people into a building full of innocent people. In another culture it's not ok at all. Do you see the dilemma there? Who sets the moral standard? Why did a handful of countries go to war to stop Germany from burning Jews alive but nobody is doing anything about Russia vs Ukraine or the atrocities happening in Korea, China or the middle east nations? Why was it necessary to intervene in one case involving taking people's lives but not others? I guess it just depends on what the benefits are, or who is in charge, right?

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 Could be? It is morally wrong to do so. Stop playing intellectual games when you're not competent enough to do so and enough with the mental gymnastics on an Olympic level 😂

It's sad that students can't even begin to have direct questions!!. Thank you Cliff for your joyful devotion for Lord Jesus Christ.

@NeverEndingStar

Жыл бұрын

even one question opens up for a seed to be planted though. Cliffe is a vessel of the Lord. Although we see heated discussions, it's really good he is having that discussion, something might be calling out in that person and Cliffe could be answering, glory to Jesus.

NOW! THAT'S A CLASSIC!!! May Hashem keep and continue to Bless Cliff and His Family.

Cliffes sarcasm is hilarious 😂 “mhm” … “yea” … he is intrigued on how people will try there very best to deny God even if they sound crazy and they know it 😂

@BrilliantBinsOcala

Жыл бұрын

They just try to back him into a corner, and when they can’t they just leave instead of truly considering cliffes words. It’s sad but true..

@johnnieparker4465

Жыл бұрын

It isn't sarcasm it's him technically being astute

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@BrilliantBinsOcala EXACTLY 💯

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@BrilliantBinsOcala They’re just ignorant to other objections to cliffs stupid argument that without God morality is subjective All Cliff is doing here is begging the question fallacy What cliff does is a flip flop He starts out by asking for evidence of a consistent moral foundation then he flips the script to “I believe” beliefs and claims God is the only answer. It’s a nice trick that frustrates the white belts but a very dishonest Christian apologetics sophistry

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 With or without God morality can be objective and subjective

This dialogue was just a couple of months after 911. What a great opportunity for Cliffe to share how there is no objective morality without God. May all the victims and survivors of 911 find peace in Christ. (Matthew 11:28) "Come to me all you who weary and burdened and I will give you rest." 🙏

@scottm4042

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmitchell-tv5yf I'm sure God has reasons independent of what we think. But, we can see good that can come out of tragedy. This can be considered evidence for believing in God, though not proof. For example, Joseph (in the Bible) endured being sold as a slave by his brothers, and being wrongly put in jail, to later be in the right place to save many people from famine. He said later to his brothers, that what you meant for evil, God meant for good.

@mbrum3230

Жыл бұрын

So if the hijackers said jesus forgive me and a passenger didnt...did the hijacker go to heaven and not the passenger.

@scottm4042

Жыл бұрын

@@mbrum3230 God is the Judge of people's hearts, and our sincerity, humility, and faith. God knows if people are praying to the True God, or to a fantasy (a false god). It could be possible that a hijacker converted and repented, however, it is unlikely as it would go against their belief, as they believe that Jesus never died on the cross, or rose again, a core necessity of the Gospel (see 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4).

@scottm4042

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmitchell-tv5yf To the first point, I said "God knows", not mere mortal man knows. Man could be praying to false gods, if he is trying to get help from a false god who doesn't exist, ie. Idols, they end up wasting breath, praying to a stone, or a tree, etc. Everyone has faith, but only those who believe in the "Truth" will be benefited by their faith. If the object of their faith, is not True, they have been following a fantasy, that is like a vapor. It is there for a moment then is gone, like our earthly life in this body. Our body is like a flower that blooms then withers away, and is gone. But our soul lives on. Where will it be? Heaven, or hell?

@scottm4042

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmitchell-tv5yf And to your second point, anyone can say they believe, but not truly believe. Matthew 7 says that many people will stand in judgement and call God Lord, but He will not accept them, because they were not doing His will, and He called them workers of iniquity. So, in trying to understand this verse, it seems they were relying on their own good works to save themselves, instead of coming to God through faith in Jesus Christ death for their sins, His burial, and resurrection. They were trying to earn heaven, on their own merit, and there is none righteous. So, Hitler could say he was a Christian, but not be truly saved. He would be playing the role of a hypocrite. The Bible says, God is not mocked. If people are playing games with God, God knows, and they will be judged. All sins are judged. Either the sins are forgiven by Jesus, or man pays for them himself.

This ministry is Doing great and great 👍🤗

Man, that last guy was really looking to push some buttons. That smart aleck look on his face made me cringe. I don't think I would've had the patience like Cliffe had with that guy. Edit: the guy also doesn't seem to understand what a gift is. He thinks that a gift is something that has to be obtained through doing something. But last I checked, gifts are offered FREELY by the one giving the gift. If we had to do something to obtain that gift, then it's not a gift, it's a payment. Eternal life is not a payment, it's a gift freely given by God.

@JohnfromCro7

Жыл бұрын

Wow so nicely said. God bless you

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Exactly ☺️💯. Well said dude 😎

@classicaldisc1170

9 ай бұрын

You have to believe in God = Paid . I don’t think God will care if you believe in him or not as long as you aware of your actions. How can a person who did the best actions for everyone and himself all his life go to hell only because he didn’t believe in Jesus, and there is maybe many others who doing way worse than this man but they go to Heaven for believe in God. 😂 How can you believe that the judgement of a God won’t be fair and be worse than a human been made rule. That is just pathetic, i could be Christian but nobody will make me believe that God judge humans beens like monkeys.

@Hedgehogsupremacy

5 ай бұрын

@@classicaldisc1170 It’s not that Hell is punishment for rejecting Jesus. I don’t see it as that. Hell is separation from God, and God is the epitome good. If Hell is separation from God, it is also separation from all good. That’s why Hell is bad. Not because God wants to punish you, but because God is all that is good, and Hell is separation from Him. He takes your free will seriously and will respect your decision on Judgement Day.

@classicaldisc1170

5 ай бұрын

@@Hedgehogsupremacy So you said i don’t need to believe in him and i still have an out of the hell free card ? that sounds better so i won’t believe in him then.

Without lies atheism dies

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmitchell-tv5yf That's not true actually it was religious dogmatic groups not theists because Wiccans/Aesir/Nordic religious people persecuted Atheists just as any religious group did also Atheists have persecuted theists and Christians for a long time too SOOOO YEAH

Cliffe is doing this since over 20 years that’s crazy.

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

FACTS since before I was born 23 years ago

@vargodinson

Жыл бұрын

@@justingary5322 this video is even older than me hahahahahahaha

Love this guy 💪🏼💪🏼

The purpose of God is, to be GOD the only true GOD. Their can only be one God, who is true. John 3:16💝🕊️

Cliffe thank you brother. My brother in Christ

@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs

11 ай бұрын

Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead

I'm blown away by that man in the green plaid shirt. Absolutely blown away

i love these so much

God bless you good man

Watching his Q&A, i learnt a lot of god as well as improved my communication & debate skills.

*I'm 70 now and have read only the exact same copy of the King James Bible my church gave me in 1961. (This does not mean I was a King James onlyist but now I'm glad I never read any others or I might not have noticed the changes as quickly.) I had memorized many scriptures from it through the years. Then in 2014 I started seeing changes in it that I couldn't explain. I have an exceptional memory, for instance I can draw a detailed picture of my baby stroller. I had never owned a computer or heard of the "Mandela Effect" back then. But after being given my first computer on 2016, I finally found out why I had been noticing all of the oddities that I couldn't explain. I then started diligently studying what should actually be called the ''Daniel 7:25 Effect''. That's where God said He would give the antichrist the power to "change times and laws'' which we now know meant (history and scripture plus laws of physics). We're seeing many end times prophecies being fulfilled SUPERNATURALLY! This is some of the "lying signs and wonders" that God told us He would give the AC power to perform which would even deceive His very elect, if it were possible in 2nd Thessalonians chapter two!* *God said in the end of days, (NOW!) that He would send us a famine for hearing His word in Amos **8:11** and that He would give the antichrist the ability to do this in Daniel 7:25. In Daniel 12:4 & 12:9 He told him to seal his book until the end days. He told John **_not_** to seal his book because the end time is at hand in Revelation 22:10. One of the Greek definitions of seal in Strongs concordance is “to protect from Satan”. He also told us to write His words in our hearts, which meant memorize, if not word for word at least the essence of what was written, because He knew this was going to happen.* *God commanded us to "prove all things", and people **_better_** obey Him, especially on this subject. I urge you to research this. There are many brothers and sisters making videos about the changes with more proof of what was originally written and I have lots more about this in my playlist 👉 which can be found by typing in ( proof of bible change residue junkie )* 👈 *I've continued to study scripture and have grown MUCH closer to Jesus by learning what Satan has been changing. Soon Amos **8:12** will be fulfilled too, and the only way it can happen is by not being able to see these videos that document what used to be written in our bibles.* *_May God bless all who read this with eyes to see this incredible faith strengthener, and how close we are to our Saviour's return!!!!_* *P.S. Everyone is going to learn about this one way or the other. I'm just trying to keep as many people as I can from hearing Jesus explaining it to them at the Gate.* ❤✝️💪

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

You've been spamming these messages for over 10 years

@residuejunkie4321

Жыл бұрын

@@justingary5322 *NOPE, 7. And I am because every minute that the world remains unaware of this will mean more people will spend eternity in the Lake...with **_you!_* 🐷👋👉🔥

@seanhillery1231

Жыл бұрын

@@justingary5322the new “versions” have been spamming nonsense for hundreds of years now- where’s the outrage?

@jadonnava7696

Жыл бұрын

@@residuejunkie4321 hmm you really gotta look at the scriptures more. You just condemned another person to hell. You sir just blasphemed the name of God by taking His place as the ultimate judge. Condemnation if reserved for the LORD to decide. I can tell you need to read your scriptures more because you 2 verses and base and entirely strange theology based off of it. If you want to bring in an interpretation of the Bible that deals with end times, you need ALOT more than 2 verses. This type of eschatology is pitiful and disgraceful to all of the sincere bible students out there. I await your response and hope the word pierces your heart.

It's a gift in a different way work on your own gift that the lord gives you be fruitful don't hide your gift under a mat ..

I love your amazing mind Cliffe. I pray you live for much longer, I will also see you in heaven. Thanks to the free gift of eternal life from the Lord Jesus Christ

Hope you see this Cliffe. Much love my friend... you really make a difference

This is amazing

AMEN

Legend says the red shirt girls hand is still raised till this day

@vtchevalier

27 күн бұрын

I wonder if she ever got her question asked haha

Ur the best mr cliffe

This was pretty intense 😂😂😂

Last guy "I've got no promises of an after life...I'm not even sure if I want one." The second part is exactly how too many think but it's so honest.

@Christendom88

3 ай бұрын

This is what nihilism has done to many people today. They've convinced themselves there is no God, and that the idea of eternal life is some kind of unbearable torture. So, they would rather seek annihilation. This is the work of the enemy. People allow themselves to become a vessel for the devil and his influence.

I take my hat off to cliffe to answer the onslaught of some really stupid questions. I'll gladly listen to how you convince them I tried it and its not for me.

Cliffe rocks!

@7:53, The universe is eternal. Then why is it winding down?

“If in going to the same place than Hitler for not believing in god that’s kind of suck” 😂😂😂😂 he kill me with that one

@20:55, Jesus asked "why do you say I'm good, there is none good except the Father".

@DRPenha

Жыл бұрын

Jesus said, God. As he was called good master.

@IBenZik

Жыл бұрын

@@DRPenha Mark 10:18

these students are in their early 40's now.

@YeshuaMyGod

Жыл бұрын

Imagine they had a big 'Where are they now?'. Would be the biggest channel in apologetics.

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Probably

Exactly bro, "that's my personal philosophy". U just admitted it

Those kids all need Christ's help big time.

I believe the frisbee boy has a distorted view of who he is. He speaks of "good" but doubts God, how is it possible to know "good and evil " with out a standard which to measure " good and evil"? Cliff tells a story I really like of yeheil denoor the guy who fainted at the trials of Adolf Eichmann, it is a very good illustration of who we really are as humans, our best is not good.

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

Hey denton, how you doing, .. i thought the frisbee chap explained himself pretty well, that standard that you mentioned was drummed into you from the moment you were able to comprehend your mother telling you "no" as a baby .. that's where it starts, it goes back millions of years. All mothers ( and parents) want to protect their babies, so they will let them know when they are doing something that is detrimental to their well being.

@dentonhahn2907

Жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk I am well, I hope you are to. I disagree, I do think a little of how we are raised plays in to it but not all of it. I remember feeling bad for something I had done and my parents had no idea, that is not them drumming it in to me, but my conscience convinced me I was wrong. I do not think there are millions of years as you say but thousands maybe, I don't hold to the darwinian evolution theories, I think it has died out long ago. I do believe the evidence is there was a beginning, there was a global flood, man have in some ways evolved, (not from primates or animals,) there is one race (human), and there is evidence of a God that is very obvious, morality is just one piece of evidence.

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

@@dentonhahn2907 The highest seats of learning in every major University across the world, including Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Princeton etc etc, all teach evolution denton, there is no major university in the world that teaches an alternative scientific theory that I'm aware of. Does this prove God does not exist?, no, but it increases my doubt as to the Bible version of events. When did the dinosaurs roam the planet do you think?

@dentonhahn2907

Жыл бұрын

@bonnie43uk yes they do it is the most excepted religion. The problem is they ignore facts, just like saying dinosaur and humans didn't exist at the same time, it is foolish beings there is very good evidence they did exist together, like fossils of human and dinosaur foot prints together. Evolution is true, in a sense that men have grown in knowledge, which is exactly what the Bible says. But it is absolutely foolishness to compare human with animals there is no relation at all. Have you looked at the genome project, and those who worked on it?

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk Of course you're defending the atheist and agnostic

Funny how you watch and watch and they're are really no original questions. Mostly ppl grappling with the same moral dilemmas but trying to frame them from their own personal angles..!! Like Cliff said we need to humble ourselves two receive God's gift of eternal life..!!

if we could comment on ads, they wouldn't show them anymore.. CHANGE MY MIND

Amen

If the threat of Hell is terrorism, then all choices are terrorism. The very concept of choice ceases to exist if some choices aren't better or worse than others.

What year is this? He looks much younger. Love these videos.

@andrewunthank3521

10 ай бұрын

2001

@andrewunthank3521

10 ай бұрын

2001

When you build a country with a system of law, social contracts, and values it is impossible to do so with a philosophy of free will and intrinsic value being an illusion. You need moral accountability for peace and cooperation, we cannot just throw up our hands and tell people to live for justice and peace if they are illusions with no value or real consequence, they can’t be illusions.

@briarpatchson3039

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, Why God gave us the Bible!!! Thomas Jefferson wasn't Christian, but yet look at the things he wrote.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

Well, there’s no reason why it’s impossible for people to build a society based on philosophy of free will and intrinsic value being an illusion. Seeing how there isn’t a contradiction in your proposition above you’re simply wrong.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

Are your Gods moral values based upon arbitrary whims ? Or do you know the reasons for the biblical values dictated by your God ?

@boltrooktwo

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 You are arbitrary, objective reality as explained by God is not. People believe the evidence for God because what God explains is found in objective reality as laws that people can test. You seem to demand others acknowledge your arbitrary values even though you don’t have a claim to creating life or organizing planets like God does, you are nobody’s God. You do this so much so that you accuse people who believe God is correct and not you as the worst labels you can give them. You don’t show you understand what an illusion is, illusions have no endurance when under pressure and fade away like they were never there. Job 33: “27 He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not; 28 He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light.”

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

I mean ok but human moral systems fail in terms of politics and social systems. AMEN 🙏❤️👊. Hell isn't emotional blackmail and horror for Eternity but punishment for our sins in the Will of our Eternal Creator God. Atheists seem to think that God cares if we know that He exists or not obviously don't understand why the last book of The Bible is called Revelation because He finally reveals Himself to the whole world. Jesus The Christ of Nazareth (Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) is The Son of The Living God came to save us from the Eternal consequences of our sins. I'm glad brother Cliffe Knechtle addressed that Evil is finally given what it deserves in Hell so Evil doesn't win. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

Would be better if you let the whole thing play out instead of cutting it before the issue is addressed

The guy in the green shirt hurt my brain to listen too. Contradictory statement after another

🎉❤

What a dangerous thinking on the US campus these days.

Some of these people's mindset I'd so sad it's insane 😪. I'm thank God I didn't go down mentally.

for once appreciate the dude at 12:00 being consistent lol.

Everyone is playing mind games. Trying to get philosophical points and using "gotcha" tactics. It doesn't matter what Cliffe or anyone purports to believe. What matters is, how you live your life.

22:30 he’s been talking to a lot of Catholics , we don’t buy our way into heaven sir

@peterwallis4288

10 ай бұрын

Neither do they.

The chick in the red shirt was in another one of Cliffe's videos from a few months ago at 14:07

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

What is the source for Gods “righteousness” ? You made the claim Going to run away again ?

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 What are you talking about? Nobody's running from you Jason nobody 😂. Go back to your LACK OF BELIEFS WHATEVER THAT MEANS 🤔🤣

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@justingary5322 Well, it certainly looks like you’re running here Justin dodger Is God the source for Gods righteous and Gods will ? Because that would mean Gods righteous is based on Gods arbitrary conditions Gods will is arbitrary Gods character is arbitrary By definition the Christian God is an arbitrary being With an arbitrary character and arbitrary will Say something to defeat my hypothesis Or run away again and prove me right AGAIN that you run away when your beliefs are intellectually challenged

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 Being Intellectually challenged is why you're a cynical atheist trolling Christians in the comments section of KZread videos 😂. I've already defeated you because you have self defeating arguments

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 How can God be arbitrary? SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. You defining your own definition of things is why you don't know anything. Keep playing games trolling yourself

AMEN 🙏❤️👊. Hell isn't emotional blackmail and horror for Eternity but punishment for our sins in the Will of our Eternal Creator God. Atheists seem to think that God cares if we know that He exists or not obviously don't understand why the last book of The Bible is called Revelation because He finally reveals Himself to the whole world. Jesus The Christ of Nazareth (Yeshua H'Mashiac The Messiah in Hebrew) is The Son of The Living God came to save us from the Eternal consequences of our sins. I'm glad brother Cliffe Knechtle addressed that Evil is finally given what it deserves in Hell so Evil doesn't win. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

do you have any doubts about the stories in the Bible justin?

@josh.b0lt

Жыл бұрын

This is absolutely amazing! Keep letting God move through you and many great things will happen!

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk Yeah but then I look at the evidence of God's Existence and The Bible's validity

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@josh.b0lt Hopefully I will

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk Doubts don't equal cynical unbelief towards Christianity and theism for no good reason

Mr. Green Shirt = Bonnie! He's got no idea... but he's absolutely sure of himself! 🤣

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

I'm not absolutely sure of myself at all Jesse, my mind has lots of doubts about lots of things. Do you have any doubts about things you read in the Bible Jesse?

@jessebryant9233

Жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk So it's all just an act then and you're nothing but an unthinking troll? I appreciate this rare moment of honesty from you, Bonnie!

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

@@jessebryant9233 do you have any doubts about things you read in the bible Jesse?. I have degrees of doubt depending on lots of different factors, eg, when it comes to supernatural claims I tend to be highly doubtful, but claims about everyday things like reports of a crash on the highway, I can check that out in various ways.

@jessebryant9233

Жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk Why are you acting as if what I said in the original comment here isn't what I said?

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

@@jessebryant9233 In your original comment you said I had no idea, but that I'm absolutely sure of myself, i told you I wasn't absolutely sure about a lot of things. I'm reasonably sure the God of the bible exists only in the mind of Christians, but I can't be absolutely sure. I asked you if you have any doubts about the Bible jesse?

Why not the full video? Or was that the end?

YAHUSHUA HA MASHIYACH, THE MESSIAH SAID TO THOMAS: BECAUSE THOU HAST SEEN ME, THOU HAST BELIEVED: BLESSED ARE THEY THAT HAVE NOT SEEN, AND YET HAVE BELIEVED. JOHN 20:29 KJV

Wonder where that last guy is at now

That guy claims to be a good person. Walk him through the ten commandments and he will show himself he's not. That guy lives by self righteousness and claimed he only helps those he chooses and loves, what about all the rest?

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

Hey cower maker ✝️ Made anyone bow down to you today 🤷‍♂️ Larz Man • 1 day ago @Jason Noble I believe in free speech, I also believe you wouldn't say that to my face. You can act all tough but when it comes down to it you would cower. I have entertained so called tough guys and they all walk away they are all mouth

@larzman651

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 how are you this afternoon Jason? Chipper I see.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@larzman651 Great 👍 Just heading out with the boys on my modified CR500 for a ride to the lake. The wife’s taking the Polaris with a cooler full of beers and hot dogs for the at the lake. We managed to stuff the paddle boards in the back seats. Have a great day “cower maker” ✝️💪🏿 Cheers 🍻

@larzman651

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 you too have a wonderful day , make sure to wear your gear , be responsible and have a wonderful weekend

@Wrestleroftheyear

Жыл бұрын

You follow all 613 commandments? Or just the first 10 and you ignore the rest like most Christian’s?

That one Guy saying that if God was a human being he would kill him himself, ironically that already happened 2000 years ago on the cross of calvary

frizbee boy is Bonnie

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

that's a compliment my friend, i thought he expressed himself very well.

@stinkymolly1

Жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk you are blinded by your own ignorance. you may need professional help

The guy who ended at 13:23 I dont understand how he can even say "I dont want to see animals hurt and I feel compassion for people" while saying he has no free will. If you have no free will than literally nothing matters and the train of life will keep on chugging. Lay in your room and use all your money to sustain your habits for as long as you can and then die. Because theres no meaning to life.

It's the theist who views this life as merely a "test" for eternal salvation that sees this life as meaningless outside of passing the "test". I feel sorry for all those believers who lead such empty lives.

@wojtex2011

Жыл бұрын

What is that you are living for

@wojtex2011

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmitchell-tv5yf For Jesus and everything He said, as i see the evidence for his credibility as mr. Cliff says, what is the evidence for solar eclipse being a good guiding force?

@wojtex2011

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmitchell-tv5yf Thats the question

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

HUH WHAT 🤔😕😑🤣?

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

I don't care about what's the meaning of Life because anyone can have their own meaning I'm concerned about the meaning of Existence

For the last brother, Jesus is not asking you to follow him is obligatory thing, it's a choice you've to make whether you should follow him or not? On top of that, why need of Jesus Christ is important in your life? What he believes is his morality defines him good, making his mind being human superior than other human mind? If every human walk according to their own moral development mind, it'll become relativistic...that's why objective morality by God is embraced which is superior mind then entire world, that's the reason people believe in Creator, intelligent design. Who knows what is right for the design he made. Lord Jesus Christ is wonderful example for every mankind, who walked on this earth as sinless man and said be holy as I am holy, and he said 'I am the way, the Truth and the Life.'

*Miracles and Apotheosis in the Ancient Mediterranean World* *"It should first be noted that miracle stories are not uncommon in the literature of this period.* Ancient people believed in a world permeated by the supernatural and readily accepted stories of miracles and believed in stories of visions and visitors from the world of the divine all the time. *Even very sober and sometimes sceptical historians like Tacitus will pass on accounts of miracles that he clearly accepts and expects his audience to believe as historical.* So when we read stories of how the emperor Augustus was miraculously conceived by the god Apollo, or how his birth was presaged by a new star in the heavens, or how Julius Caesar was seen ascending into the heaven after his death or how Vespasian healed lame and blind people who asked him for a miracle, we accept that these stories represent the kinds of things ancient people genuinely believed about great men. Or we accept that they are at least told to indicate that the man in question was great. *What we don't do is accept that simply because people believed these stories they must mean that they really happened.* And this is even when the stories are presented to us by a very careful historian and given to us as verified fact. Take Tacitus' account of the miracles of the emperor Vespasian: "In the months during which Vespasian was waiting at Alexandria for the periodical return of the summer gales and settled weather at sea, many wonders occurred which seemed to point him out as the object of the favour of heaven and of the partiality of the Gods. One of the common people of Alexandria, well known for his blindness, threw himself at the Emperor's knees, and implored him with groans to heal his infirmity. This he did by the advice of the God Serapis, whom this nation, devoted as it is to many superstitions, worships more than any other divinity. .... And so Vespasian, supposing that all things were possible to his good fortune, and that nothing was any longer past belief, with a joyful countenance, amid the intense expectation of the multitude of bystanders, accomplished what was required. *The hand was instantly restored to its use, and the light of day again shone upon the blind. Persons actually present attest both facts, even now when nothing is to be gained by falsehood."* (Histories, IV, 81) Tacitus was closely connected to the court of Vespasian's sons and successors, Titus and Domitian, and so in a position to know the "persons actually present" and to consult them long after Vespasian's death "when nothing is to be gained by falsehood". He was also a very careful historian who scorned those who took rumour and stories as fact without checking them against sources and eye witnesses and who condemned those who "catch eagerly at wild and improbable rumours in preference to genuine history" (Annals, IV,11). *Despite this, I don't know anyone who would read the account above and conclude that the emperor really had magical healing powers and genuinely used his supernatural abilities to heal people.* The fact that even a judicious and often sceptical analyst like Tacitus accepted this story shows us just how readily people in the ancient world accepted claims of the miraculous. *One form of miracle that was widely believed in was the idea of apotheosis, where a great man is physically taken up in to the heavens and raised to divine status.* It was claimed that Romulus, the founder of Rome, underwent this process and later appeared to his friend Julius Proculus to declare his new celestial status. The same claim was made about Julius Caesar and Augustus, with supposed witnesses observing their ascent into the heavenly realm. Lucian's satire The Passing of Peregrinus includes his scorn for the claim that the philosopher was taken up into the celestial realm and was later seen walking around on earth after his death. The Chariton novel Callirhoe has its hero Chaereas visiting the tomb of his recently dead wife, saying he *"arrived at the tomb at daybreak"* where he *"found the stones removed and the entrance open. At that he took fright."* Others are afraid to enter the tomb, but Chaereas goes in and finds his wife's *body missing* and concludes she has been taken up by the gods." If you want to read how the resurrection legend grew over time, read the below article by Tim O'Neill who is a former Christian and has been studying the scholarship for over 25 years. *Answer* What-evidence-is-there-for-Jesus-Christs-death-burial-and-resurrection/answer/Tim-ONeill-1 - Quora You can also read the below article by a former Christian apologist on how he agrees with the mainstream scholarship that Jesus was a failed apocalyptic prophet. *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"* Also, how cognitive dissonance possibly explains early Christianity. *“The Rationalization Hypothesis: Is a Vision of Jesus Necessary for the Rise of the Resurrection Belief?”* - by Kris Komarnitsky | Κέλσος - Wordpress *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"* *"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Are Stories in the Bible Influenced by Popular Greco-Roman Literature? - The Doston Jones Blog"* *"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"* *"February 2015 - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* - Isaiah 53 *"Jesus and the Messianic Prophecies - Did the Old Testament Point to Jesus? - The Bart Ehrman Blog"* *"Jesus did not fulfill any messianic prophecies - Reductio Ad Absalom"* *"Jesus Was Not the Only “Prophet” to Predict the Destruction of the Temple - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*

*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:45 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

last guy is definitely in TKE. sorry to judge but so obvious

If God says freewill is a choice between life or death which is also Heaven or Hell, it’s freewill because God says it is. Who is anyone to argue with God the Almighty all knowing. The evidence is everything and His greatest reward eternity with Him. Isaiah 45:9 “Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker-one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘He has no hands’?”

You notice how the student is asking about Eternity, but when Cliff convicts him about Eternity, he switches to the "here and now". And, the student puts his actions up as the standard of good. How foolish!

The last guy didn't understand grace by faith. Good deeds alone don't get you to heaven.

To be SAVED according to our apostle Paul, you must BELIEVE/ TRUST that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins,was buried,and rose again on the third day,and He Shed His Blood as payment for all of your sins forever,( you personally).Romans 3:25” Faith in His Blood”.

Poor guy was just too full of himself to acknowledge his need of Jesus. Wonder what he's like now 22 years on?!

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Maybe 🤔

Part two. God has elected to completely destroy all traces of sin. Therefore He will not destroy a soul in hell until it recognises how wrong it was to rebel against its creator’s good advice and commands. Presumably those who led decent and noble lives but neglected to love God will be destroyed quickly, because we assume that with their lack of great defiance to God they will quickly admit their error. However we can also assume that there will be some in hell cursing God and their end will be slower until they eventually allow themselves to face the truth. Of all that is important in our lives there is nothing more important than we ensure we are not in a state of rebellion to God when we die.

does God have a purpose? never thought of that before. i would think it would be to love. snice thats what the trinity has being doing forever

@Wrestleroftheyear

Жыл бұрын

Imagine thinking that a deity who literally designed the worlds meanest, ugliest, harshest torture chamber ever has a purpose of “love” 🤧

To answer the big question on God's purpose: my testimony starts at a vision from God stopping suicide and it was about his intent: to create maximum love and beauty. Also (something left out of this Hell debate) that Satan takes souls to Hell as he wants them separated from God. By contaminating their souls they cannot be taken to a Holy Heaven. Lastly the main point I have learned from Christ is that to follow him not only secures eternal paradise as a free gift, but that it is the best way to establish Heaven on earth. For all atheists assuming they have arbitrary moral beliefs, they would still be better met by following Jesus than using their own or societies guidance.

I feel sorry for Cliffe because those students are not very nice / polite towards him!

Cliffes pal Ethan Chandler was arrested on sex abuse charges. When you see these people.....RUN!

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

HUH WHAT 🤔😕😑🤣?

First mistake… “the meaninglessness of life”. There is no meaninglessness unless one’s mind is primed to think there Is a meaninglessness to life. But it does NOT have to be thought of in such a manner. Back in the 1990s I “trolled” Christian AOL group forums and one of the major existential themes was “the meaning of life”. To me the answer was self-evident… “to live”. And not just live but living in human communities and how best to do that. That should be one of those main themes of life taught to every child. Nothing else is really needed. The fact so many people can’t see that is evidence they’ve been improperly prepared for life in human communities. “We live what we learn.” It’s rather odd to miss that because life is one of those natures that’s right in front of our noses. It’s so obvious it’s too frequently overlooked. There need be No other reason for life. Unfortunately, it seems Cliffe (among many other theists) appears to be one of those seeking some meaning that doesn’t exist or even needs to exist. It is rightly claimed (like many other species in the animal kingdom) we are “social” creatures. Our connection to other human beings is what gives meaning to life. If one is having difficulty making that connection they don’t need a god, or spirit, ghost, angel, etc. they just need help from others in finding the connection. Considering we all exist in a material universe, any connection must also be firmly grounded in the material universe. No supernatural needed.

You don’t think You got that right

10:45 dude is using a lot of words to deny himself of choice.

Natural compassion??? Has this guy ever read history?

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

Whatever you do in earth even if you did good. You’re still a fertilizer even if the next generations benefit from your good deeds or logic. They benefit from it and you’re still a fertilizer. That’s the logic of that unbuttoned shirt dude.

Who defines yellow, beauty, taste, or good? Cliffe is stuck on language, which is just a way to communicate ideas. He seemed to be confused with concepts and material things. Cliffe have you ever been convinced of something and were later shown to be wrong?

@medicisounds1384

2 ай бұрын

Wrong. Morality is immaterial. The color yellow isn't. Also beauty and taste are subjective so no one defines but yourself. You could like the taste of rare steak but i could like it well done.

Part one. There is the temptation for some to reduce life down to a one liner. I have been tempted to do this. And I have succumbed to the temptation because I say this with my one liner. “Do not die in a state of rebellion to God.” But you might say why do we have to obey God? And it’s a good question. Here is the answer. God has taken a risk with your life because He knows there’s a reasonable chance that you will disobey Him. The risk is this. God knows that if you don’t obey Him, He cannot give you eternal life because you’ll be out of harmony with that life. We could liken this to a hardened criminal. There is something wrong with him. And because of the wrong that’s in him, it’s humanly impossible for him to feel an affinity for good and decent people. He is not in harmony with them nor can he be unless he abandons his wrong life and embraces the right life. God instructs us through His spokespeople. The prophets and Jesus Christ and holy scripture. God says that He has made us for eternal life which is our’s if we get into harmony with that life. And as decent people are in harmony with the good laws of the land we too have to obey God and His laws. You might say “why”. Ok it goes like this. If God has always existed and has created everything we must assume that He is a lot smarter than us. We cannot deny this conclusion. It’s logical. Therefore if God gives us a bunch of advice in the form of commands and we don’t take it we are not being very bright. God says we have to change. If fact He is telling us that we have to quit sinning or disobeying Him. He explains why. It’s everlasting life or zip. For those who elect to disobey God there is no plan B. They dip out on everlasting life which is the only life God has created them for. Hence the risk God has taken with your life. He has allowed you to be the master of your own fate. It’s your choice. He can change you and remake you but only if you give Him permission to do so. You are in the driving seat of your own life. It’s called your will. You free will. It’s because you are free to choose. And that’s the risk God has taken with you. He can do everything for you except be you. He cannot decide for you. But if you don’t choose wisely He has lost you. And that is the risk God has taken with your life because He has given you the autonomy of a freewill. And this is a necessary key ingredient in order for you to function in the promised life whereby you become an eternal being. The smart move is ensuring that we are not in a state of rebellion to God when we die. God knows best. We have established this. And whilst on first sight from reading the scriptures it’s seems that God punishes souls in hell in perpetuity, it’s clear even to atheists that no God would ever do such a thing. And upon a very careful examination of the scriptures the atheists are right because those who rebel against God get destroyed there.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

Does God want everyone to free will choose him ? Can God fail ?

@paulwilfridhunt

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 You and I might fail. But it’s impossible for God to fail. Nor does God want you to lose your soul. But that’s up to you Jason isn’t it. It’s your choice. But your preference has been up till now and perhaps forevermore, to die in rebellion to God expressed in the form of atheism, a self deceit that you prefer because of the nourishment you receive from preferring to defy God. In all rebellion there is power. Maybe this preference is so strong in you Jason so enjoyable so preferable that you’ll hold fast to it to the bitter end. But maybe not. Who knows.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@paulwilfridhunt I would say if God can’t fail then my choices have no bearing on Gods desire for me to choose him and I will choose him because God can’t fail and I will be saved no matter what my position is now. God can’t fail right ? But you said something interesting You said atheism is “Self deceit”… I don’t believe in any Gods Not believing in any Gods is “self deceit” according to you Now, that’s interesting because I would like to know the logical inference’s you use to establish my “self deceit” Can you articulate it to us atheists Paul ?

@paulwilfridhunt

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 God cannot fail but you can. Don’t get the two mixed up. You are using crazy semantics. Self deception is very powerful. There are many examples of it but the atheist example is the relevant one so let’s stick with that. Your deception is founded upon your preference. It’s your innate preference for God to not exist. And this preference which you may or may not be aware of has consequently inflated you. You are not being reduced by the greatness of God which is a good and healthy reduction. And with all self deceptions you don’t realise this because you don’t want to. In all rebellion there is power be it just a smidgen that a child obtains from defying its parent or the power the Nazis obtained by rebelling unjustly against other nations. You are in a state of rebellion. You don’t know it or see it or realise it. But you have a problem in humbling yourself to God because you don’t have or want to have the humility to do it. You are very proud of yourself. And this pride or the desire to maintain it is actually preventing you from actually realising the obviousness of God’s existence. Because in order for you to recognise the existence of God you would need to simultaneously jettison the sense of inflated self worth you have acquired by not being diminished by God’s greatness. And that’s more important to you than anything. So much so that it is preventing you from being able to recognise the obviousness of God’s existence. Perhaps you are very much like the fallen angels for whom repentance is an impossibility, because they love the elixir of the power from rebellion more than repentance. However repentance is actually possible for you but not without God’s help. God will help those to repent who have the wherewithal to obey Him, perhaps even unbeknownst to themselves.

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

@@paulwilfridhunt you said "your innate preference for God to not exist" , I can't speak for jason obviously, but atheism is simply not believing in the existence of a God or Gods, it's not a preference to not want God to exist... if God exists, how does he present himself to us? I can envisage a God in my own head that I would very much like to exist, like a supernatural protective father who has our best interests at heart, and who intervenes to prevent us from harm, etc, .. that sounds like a pretty good God i could believe in, but that God is a figment of my imagination Paul.

guy with green shirt-talks a lot, says nothing

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Exactly he's playing games

@jackalsgate1146

Жыл бұрын

What is: shirt-talks.?

Really trying to milk this video huh. Ads every 3 minutes. And I'm supposed to believe that this is a Christian speaking.

@andrewunthank3521

10 ай бұрын

Is it a sin to have ads on a video? Must have missed that commandment.

You have to stop ? Because you think nothing borhinged into everything

I quit at the false dichotomy

Cliffe is sooooo full of shog dite

My answer to anyone who says we have no free will is that, well, there's no reason for me to take anything you say seriously, including about whether we have free will. You admit that you are just a sockpuppet of determinism and therefore when you speak, you are just having a vocal spasm that is, as CS Lewis put it, "no more capable of rightness or wrongness than a hiccup or a sneeze." Which means that making truth claims about free will or anything else is impossible because truth is utterly foreign and inaccessible to us because there is no such thing as thought or reason, only stimulus and response. This idea is utterly unliveable once you leave the lecture hall or dorm room rap session, which is a compelling piece of evidence that it is false.

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

Cliffe makes arguments from ignorance fallacies over and over again. Cliffe can conceive, believe or acknowledge a thing, so it is impossible. Dumbing down opposing arguments and purposely misunderstood others' arguments to keep his beliefs alive.

@KolyaUrtz

Жыл бұрын

I'm afraid you are delusional and have no idea what you are talking about

@TTGLKami

4 ай бұрын

Example ?

where does morality come from?, that's a great question, as far as I can see, it comes from us, we work out what is beneficial for society and what is harmful, humans are social creatures, it's in our interest to cooperate and help one another. There are lots of other animals on the planet that do exactly the same, and work as a group to achieve a goal. It's not too difficult to work out a basic system of morals to maintain a cohesive society. If animals can do it, I'm sure we can, to an even higher degree.

@curiousgeorge555

Жыл бұрын

Why do we have such an intensely strong reaction when we see even small injustices? If all we are is an accidental lump of cells, we wouldn't have such a strong reaction and possibly no negative reaction at all. As for animals cooperating, seagulls will steal food from a weaker seagull in a nano-second.

@JohnCashin

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Tom. You'll no doubt have noticed that there is this reoccurring theme among many theists here, including Cliffe that basically says "hey, you atheists, if there is no God, then there is no ultimate moral lawgiver, so morality would then be just a matter of opinion and what's to stop one person from believing that it's good to kill people and another from saying it's good to be nice to people??" and I get it but there's a couple of problems with that argument. Firstly, it doesn't tell us whether or not a God actually exists. This "if there is no God, then there is no ultimate moral lawgiver" etc argument is just an argument for why believing in God gives us a better sense of there being some kind of higher order we can appeal to as opposed to a world where every human being's opinion is equally valid, it's not giving us any reassurance that this God/ultimate moral lawgiver REALLY exists. Secondly, even if, for argument's sake, there IS a God, if this being exists outside of our space and time and is invisible, intangible etc to us and he doesn't talk to us all directly, face to face and doesn't tell us if we are correct or in error, then this world is as good as if there was no God anyway and we are getting exactly that very moral chaos of one person's opinion versus another's that there would be if there was no higher being than us humans. This is a world full of moral disagreement we ALREADY live in, so even if God exists somewhere, he's not stopping that anyway. This channel is a case in point, there's nothing to stop one Christian from claiming one interpretation of the Bible and another from disagreeing with them. Does God come on here and sort it out and declare who is right and who is wrong? If only. Where is God to settle all of the many moral disagreements we have as human beings? Nowhere to be seen, which is the whole problem. I only wish there was a God who would show up and give answers but he doesn't, so he might just as well not exist even if he does exist in some other realm somewhere, it's useless to us here. All we've got is some book called the Bible which is supposedly God's word and guess what? Yep, you guessed right, we can't even agree on the interpretation of what it says, so that is also useless and only adds to the confusion.

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

@@curiousgeorge555 I've never claimed we're "an accidental lump of cells" .. to quote Cliffe "I do not know". The origins of life itself is still beyond the scope of science. I wouldn't say I have an intensely strong reaction to a small injustice, i can certainly make an informed decision as to the actual small injustice, but it's certainly not intensely strong. Yes indeed, seagulls are scavengers, that is their nature, but they will also fiercely defend their chicks from predators. It's the same as a violent criminal who will not think twice about pulling a knife on you to get your wallet, .. that same violent man may well treat his only child with love and tenderness. The vast majority of human beings on the planet are not violent criminals who want to steal your wallet, .. go out into the street tomorrow and see how many want to attack you in some way, .. they probably want the same as you george, a nice quiet life. stay curious George 🙂

@bonnie43uk

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnCashin well explained John, any Christian is free to read what you've just written and take you to task on it ..i guess Cliffe would say "there is more than enough credible evidence for the gospels, all we have to do is read Matt Mark, Luke and John, and all will become clear", but that's the problem, it doesn't become clear for non believers, it just becomes more cloudy.

@JohnCashin

Жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk Exactly Tom. It's not as if God himself is going to come to me or you and say via his supreme divine authority "JOHN, TOM, I DECLARE BY MY DIVINE AUTHORITY THAT YOU ARE BOTH IN ERROR". If only he would. Oh, no doubt, one or two Christians with no more divine power or authority than we have will probably tell us that here but all we ever get from the God they believe in is unbroken 24/7 radio silence and empty air, the exact same radio silence and empty air we would get if there was no God at all.

Give Me The Dumbest Answer You Can…

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

“Without God moral values are necessarily relative” Cliffs dumbest claim

@peterberr3888

Жыл бұрын

​@@jasonnoble7302 You disagree with the statement "Without God, moral values are necessarily relative". You therefore agree either that: A.With God moral values are necessarily relative. Or: B.Without God moral values are not necessarily relative. Or: C.something else Please pick A or B or C and lay out your claim in simple steps for us.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@peterberr3888 It’s not the case that without a God law giver moral values are necessarily relative A not God source could account for objective values by definition Therefore it’s not “necessarily the case” that without God morality is relative by definition Cliffs loves his slogan taking points ✝️ If his interlocutor points this out he just claims “I believe bla bla bla” and dodges the objection

@peterberr3888

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonnoble7302 surely a "not God" basis "by definition", would just be someone elses definition. If "not God" then someone else has to define it. This would only shift the definition to someone else and when people disagree with it, there will result a plethora of personal definitions rendering such an approach relative on a social or cultural basis or, subjective and individual in the limit where the individual believes they have ultimate moral authority.

@jasonnoble7302

Жыл бұрын

@@peterberr3888 Irrelevant Opinion doesn’t matter What matters is there’s no contradiction between a not God source like a quantum field or an alien thing and objective values God values or relative values is not a true dichotomy Surely you can see that Peter

Front: At Some Point, You Will Be the NEXT PERSON on Earth to DIE. Back: Sobering thought, isn't it? You may not have realized it, but every second, two people die. What happens then? Is there a Heaven and Hell? Are you "good enough" to get to Heaven? Look at the Ten Commandments. Have you ever lied or stolen? (regardless of value) Ever looked with lust and therefore committed adultery in your heart? (see Matthew 5:28) You may see these as "no big deal" but God takes them seriously. He is Holy and said, "be Holy, for I am Holy." God sent His Son, Jesus, to live the perfect life we never could. He took God's wrath on the cross for sinners. Jesus took the punishment of His people’s sins against God, then He rose from the dead. Cry out to God for mercy, confessing and forsaking your sins. Put your trust in Jesus (rather than "good works") to save you. Read your Bible daily and obey what you read.

@JohnCashin

Жыл бұрын

Correct, yes, we will all die one day, that's a fact, you'll get no arguments from me on that one. The problem is that any claims about what happens AFTER death are currently unfalsifiable because of the very fact that it is AFTER death. Just to expand on the point further, let's say for argument's sake when we die, there will be nothing, no Heaven, no Hell, no existence, absolutely nothing. Now would any of us be able to prove that there is absolutely nothing after death when we die? No, we couldn't, because, If there is nothing after death then there is....nothing. We couldn't say after we die "ah, so now we know there's nothing", of course, we couldn't say that because if there is nothing after death then there will be nothing to experience and we won't exist at all, so how could we say anything? It's only if there will be SOMETHING after death that we will then know when we die but until we do die, we won't know. Oh, we can guess, we can wish, we can hope and we can take Pascal's Wager and roll with Christianity in the hope it's true, sure, but we can't know if there is anything after death until we're dead. How can we be reasonably expected to make a decision about things we can't possibly know about? Presuming they do exist, again for argument's sake, well, we've never seen Heaven, we've never seen Hell, we've never seen Jesus/God face to face, and we've never seen Lucifer/Satan face to face, and yet we're supposed to make these vitally important decisions on these matter based on the word of an ancient book that has multiple interpretation potential?? Doesn't that seem just a little bit mad? 🤔

@justingary5322

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnCashin You're right about that we don't know but if there's a God then He does know so we're not in the dark about Life after Death

@JohnCashin

Жыл бұрын

@@justingary5322 Sure...IF....IF there's a God then that being will know, yes, I agree but WE won't know, so we ARE in the dark by definition, unless this being confirms it directly to us, as in he comes face to face with us and confirms it, as opposed to supposedly inspiring a collection of writings that we have to try to decipher the meaning of.

Here is the answer that Cliffe is missing. The word for "eternal" hell is aion and can just mean age. In Matthew 24 the disciples ask Jesus what will be the signs of the end of this world. World is aion here. So you gotta keep in mind that certain people had motives geared towards keeping people afraid of burning forever and making you pay $ for your own salvation. Luke 16 mentions a gulf. There is a good side and a bad side. Think to yourself. How could we enjoy heaven if all of the goody goodies are on one side and right next store there's a boiling pit of lava where people are not just burning for billions of years, but trillions upon trillions of years. How could a loving God allow that? And how could we enjoy heaven if one of our loved ones didn't make it? No, after the 1000 years they are blotted out. It's as if they never existed. Gone from our memories and gone from our lives for good. They burn up like fat to a spiddle and the smoke of their ashes go up forever and ever. Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”God is a consuming fire and I'm not saying He is that lake of fire, but he indeed can destroy the soul. Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 1 kzread.info/dash/bejne/kWujmLd9ZN2aiMY.html Taking the mistranslation out of hell part 2 kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWZm18uYe72occ4.html Shepherds Chapel God the consuming fire and hells fire kzread.info/dash/bejne/mmZp07SOabqYmMo.html

First, prove there is a god. You can not.