I bought a 2001 phase 2/MK2 VTR last year. Had it modded, remapped, lots more and love it! It's mint for its age!

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Good to hear you're keeping one on the road! Hope you will enjoy it for a long time.

Meteen na deze video geabonneerd! Wat een kwaliteit, genieten om naar te kijken!!

Love this quality content from Europe and true enthusiasts! keep going guys!

@SoontobeClassics

4 жыл бұрын

Thnx! We are editing the next to videos right now.

I am an owner of a Saxo VTS 16v since 2006! I love this car

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Good to hear other people enjoying their Saxos as well.

Just love that body kit on VTS mark2. At the moment I'm building a Saxo 1,4 VTS version for budget close wheele challenge. Looking forward to have some fun on the track together with a bunch of randome drivers and cars!

Greta video, very tempted to get one of these in the coming weeks!

The Citroën Saxo is the best car ever built! Breakdowns are very rare and the comfort is high.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jordi! It is true that the cars are pretty reliable. Next to that they seem to have combined handling and comfort like not many other brands have been able to. It sticks to the road, without being uncomfortable.

@Grandpasaab

5 жыл бұрын

True! Breakdowns are rare, and if they break they are easy to get running again, in my 2 years of ownership (ph1 1.6 8v with 89hp) i had many things (mostly rust) Gearbox cracked main issue, it still runs great with a gearbox swap, did the swap with 1 friend and basic tools including clut kit :)

Great video! I have a 1.1i Asics from 2001. Not the sportiest... But back then, and still today... 60HP on that weight makes it go rather nippy! The chassis is pretty much identical to that of the sport models and therefore, if you do nothing but fit some alloy's with a little wider and lower profile tires on it like I have, it is absolutely no less fun in corners! (14" and not too wide, don't forget it does not have the widened wheel arches) It puts a lot of modern cars to shame in corners! I would go for a 16V if I wouldn't spend all my money on the 1989 BX 19 TRI that I have as well... So if you need to go cheap... I paid €400,- for my Saxo in pretty good condition, it has done just about 280.000KM now, with very little maintenance so far, and even less to come... and I am absolutely convinced, you cannot buy a car today, for less than 500 euro's, except a 106, that offers this combination of handling and comfort... And is this much fun to drive... It really has a character, and I drive it with as much pleasure as I drive my BX. Though be it for different reasons ;-P

Great! Happy to see another video, looks like a really fun 90s hatch, would be cool to see it against a clio 16s or williams. In my mind the coolest 90s hatch, jean ragnotti clio rally videos are the best.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

That would be a cool test! I've almost bought a Clio Williams a couple of years ago, but went home with a Saxo VTS 16V instead. Never regretted it, because the Saxo was great. The only dissapointment is that the value of the Clio Williams has gone up sixfold in the meantime, while the Saxo has only doubled in value...

quality content as usual

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

I wasn't disappointed!

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that!! :-)

Great video like always ! The Saxo is a great little car and like you said she so close to the 205 gti spirit . It's a shame that Citroen do not keep that sport spirit in there cars today . For me the last car they made that's worth talking about is the C2 vts after they screw up ! Ds3 with a bwm motor ???? And with all the problems that it had . In France the only car brand that's is really in to making sport cars today is Renault . Yep Sebastien Loeb and Citroen but naf all for the customers . Sorry but i'm pissed off with french car brands that forget what made them famous 205 gti , ax sport , bx sport , visa mille piste ......... And today they do nothing to keep that little flame alive . I really regret the 90's . But love your videos

Great video man!

Still owner of mk2 vts ✌

Nice video! Proud dutch owner of saxo ph1 with the lowest 1.6 8v engine (89hp 135nm from 99), own the car for almost 2 years now, still in love, car will go soon on the dyno because the guesses are it will reach ofer the 100hp, to confirm it ofc it will get on the dyno, The reason why the saxo is faster than the 106 to the 100 is because Citroën wanted to beat the 106gti acceleration, The 106 is lighter than a saxo in general, Citroën wanted to beat the 106 GTI and went for a gearbox that could go in second 100, just to beat the 106GTI, the 106GTi loses his time to shift from 2nd to 3rd just to reach 100. (correct me if im wrong) this is what i heard and actually can confirm, my 8v gearbox cracked, have now a 106 GTI gearbox on my saxo 8v, i can confirm the gearbox is shorter than my usual 8v box! I am a dutchie to, if your intrested in my Saxo let me know! Would love to see my Car on your channel!

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

i Always nice to get to know other Saxo fans! I'm curious to know the dyno results. The 16v gearbox is not the same as the 8v gearbox, so I understand the difference. But I haven't found a reliable source that can confirm that there actually is a difference in the gearbox between the Saxo VTS 16V and the 106 GTI. What I do know, is that the 106 GTI is slightly heavier than the Saxo VTS 16V. Just check the data. The Saxo's hood/bonnet for instance is a lot lighter than the 106 GTI's hood/bonnet. Especially on the ph1 Saxo, because of the shorter metal hood/bonnet with loose plastic grille instead of the integrated grille on 106 and Saxo ph2. You really feel the difference when opening either of them.

@Grandpasaab

5 жыл бұрын

@@SoontobeClassics Good to get a reaction! I did some research and according to the gearbox identification numbers the Saxo and 106 share the same gearbox codes. No idea about the Saxo and 106 16v engine if these are the same, perhaps these have a slightly different ratio? I can confirm that a Saxo ph1 bonnet is much lighter than a Ph2 saxo bonnet. My Ph1 Saxo from 99 went on the dyno and the results are shocking, as u know the ph1 8v has 89hp and 135nm from factory, my car has around 200200km and is almost 20 years old. The results are, 107.7hp and 167.87NM at the wheels and the engine has 125.6hp and 189.07nm. Shocking results for a ph1 8v!

Nice video!

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Semmi!

Wat een geweldige kwaliteit weer! Een tip voor de volgende keer is om het volume van de muziek iets lager te zetten.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Dank voor het compliment en de tip! Blijft toch lastig om een goede mix van geluid te vinden die op alle soorten devices even goed klinkt.

Sick video about this little awesome car! My uncle just got one and he's going to restore it, 167k kms on the clock 😁 Oh and in Portugal the 16V VTS is called the Saxo Cup !

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

96jpaulo thanks for your compliment! Nice to read that your uncle is going to restore it. Saxo Cup; that’s a good name for such a fast car!

@96jpaulo

5 жыл бұрын

Soon to be Classics i think it sounds way better than vts 😅 he also bought a blue 106 gti when they were brand new! Sold it years ago but i remember that car as a true bullet in backroads, it was my first sports car experience in life aswell! I'm a car guy thanks to him 😁

great....very very great..!!!!!!

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

LOL. Thank you!

het verschil tussen de 106 gti en de saxo vts kwa acceleratie zit hem in de versnellingsbak de saxo vts heeft een langere 2e versnelling als de 106.

Nice video.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! You have a nice Saxo as well! It looks pretty quick :-)

The reason for the difference in performance stats is that the 106gti was measured with more weight on board, e.g., fluids, full tank of fuel etc I believe

Where is this guy now. Amazing man

@SoontobeClassics

2 жыл бұрын

I’m back.

I bought two from new, loved them. Drop them 60mm bk 45 front (i think..) green induction kit Oz rims and a straight through stainless. I miss the flames coming out of the bk when dropping down at roundabouts. Fun times.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

I've had 6 of them up until now. Really enjoyable cars indeed.

Hahaha.. great video as usual mate.. You always manage to capture the cars souls... Too bad here in Indonesia we don't received any Saxo.. the last Citroen here was the BX... Which is I love them very much.. ( I own several of that brand.. BX 16 TRS, BX 19 GTi, BX Sport Replica , BX Break TGS, CX Pallas Mk 1, GSA Pallas and GSA Break.. ) Well.. in my opinion Citroen have better aerodynamic, better weight saving ( they have known use a fiberglass and plastic materials in their body components.. ), better gearbox, better technology and also I believed Citroen traction better ( if I use Michelin tyre are far better than Peugeot 405 SRi compare to my BX 19 GTi in a drag race situation )

Great channel! Looking forward to new videos. Greetings from Germany

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Danke sehr Billy from Germany!

2:31 ❤

Apparently the faster 0-60 time of the Saxo vts over the 106 GTI is due to the Saxo having a very tall 2nd gear - so no need to change up to 3rd to hit 60 (mph).

@SoontobeClassics

2 жыл бұрын

Strangely the parts catalogues do not mention any difference in parts 🤔

@fabiovelez

8 ай бұрын

@@SoontobeClassicsoriginal engine and gearbox are exactly the same in both cars

i love the sound of the exausts, does anybody knows what exaust is?

@SoontobeClassics

2 жыл бұрын

The red and silver Saxo both have the standard exhaust. The blue Saxo has an exhaust from Oreca.

Heb net een 16V gekocht met 212000 km heerlijk bakkie.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Cool Douwe! Lekker van gaan genieten!

@gemaskerdebeuker8511

5 жыл бұрын

@@SoontobeClassics haha inmiddels 2 weken verder en de problemen stapelen zich helaas op.

The difference between Saxo 16v and 106 16v are 3: - Saxo has tires 195/45 r15 with a lower rolling than 185/55 r14 of the 106; Better traction! - rear anti-roll bar in diameter: Saxo 21mm and 106 22.5mm (to compensate for the difference of tires) - Saxo is lighter

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Ph1 Saxo VTS 16V was produced and delivered with 14 inch (Toulouse) wheels and 185 tyres, so the same size as the 106. Ph 2 Saxo VTS 16V was also produced and delivered with 14 inch (Toulouse) wheels and 185 tyres at first. It was possible to order 15 inch (Indianapolis) wheels with 195 and in later modelyears these 15 inch wheels became standard for the Ph2.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

The anti-roll bars make the handling of the Saxo more playful, but still does not explain the faster 0-100 time.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

The Saxo Ph1 weighs approximately 15kg less than the Peugeot 106 with similar engine. This is a nice fact, but is not enough to explain the big difference in 0-100.

@stefanovanbuuren8667

5 жыл бұрын

@@SoontobeClassics Sum this to the larger tyres with better traction and less rolling. We have the result :)

@FicaGTI

5 жыл бұрын

@@SoontobeClassics Subscribed. Most probably are little bit different gear ratios between the 2 cars. As Clarkson mentions in 1997 Top Gear while testing saxo that car has long second gear and there is no need to shift in third up to 60 miles per hour. Here is episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6ubutCtgK6rgqQ.html p.s. are this cars for sale?

The Saxo has a high 2nd gear therefore it gets to 60 at the redline of 2nd unlike the 106 that hit 60 at the mid range of 3rd

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your explanation. Are you really sure about that, or have you heard or read that? The reason I ask this, is that I've also read it. But if I search for car parts, I cannot find a difference in the parts needed for a Saxo gearbox or a 106 gearbox with similar engine.

@LorenzoClara97

4 жыл бұрын

@@SoontobeClassics it is the difference between r14 and r15 rims

Cool vidéo, i like to drive my saxo 16v every day. And the parts are not expensives. I keep a saxo 16v 80k km for the value. I think to buy a 106 gti but no place unfortunately.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! So you have two Saxo’s? Cool! It would be cool te have a 106 GTI as well.

@Pitof2001

5 жыл бұрын

@@SoontobeClassics yes a 2000 and 2001, two phase 2, but L3 and L4. Blue Mauritius.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

@@Pitof2001 Nice!

The sunroof on the phase 1 saxo (silver) does it open all the way back like the phase 2?

@SoontobeClassics

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it does. The first owner wanted an electrical sunroof, but the factory only offered a non-electrical sunroof. So he decided to have a non-original sunroof placed after delivery, which could be operated electrically. The sunroof in the phase 2 is an original factory sunroof that is operated by hand.

@SoontobeClassics

4 жыл бұрын

He also wanted cruise control, which the factory didn’t offer either. So he had that built in afterwards as well.

As I understand it, the difference between the 106 GTi and Saxo VTS' acceleration times was purely down the way the tests were conducted. Citroen gave it hell for leather in the tests, as they wanted a mid-7's 0-60mph time (they actually stated 7.2secs to 60mph, but 7.7 to 100km/h (62mph), as that's when the change into third gear happens. As a result, the VTS had quite a high insurance rating in the UK (group 14), despite the fact that 'VTS' didn't really carry any issues with insurance companies. Peugeot, on the other hand, had opted to label their car a GTi (Citroen could have done this too, as they had previously used 'GTi' many times, but chose VTS anyway). Because a 'GTi' would carry an higher insurance risk, due to the issues with thefts or accidents in the 1990's, I've read that Peugeot made three changes from Citroen's tests. Firstly, they did the tests with a full tank of fuel, not half like Citroen. Secondly, they had a passenger, unlike Citroen. Thirdly (and crucially), they changed into 3rd gear BEFORE 60mph. Being that a gearchange can lose you anywhere between 0.5-0.75secs on a 0-60mph dash, it would easily be enough to add up to a second to the Saxo's time. And it worked, because despite the fact it was labelled as a GTi, the insurance rating was actually LOWER for the 106 than the Saxo VTS! The reality is that they're all the same in performance terms. Same gear ratios and engines etc. Only differences are trivial, like anti-roll bar diameters, dampers and interior specification (106 is marginally heavier, as it uses slightly heavier, better quality materials in the cabin). I can't tell you that's all fact, but that's what I've read from various sources, and it makes sense, because all Peugeot's cars in the 1990's achieved very low insurance group ratings. I remember the 306 1.9 DTurbo was only group 5 - same as a 1.1 Citroen AX!

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your extended response Richard! Those are all the same things that I have found and that I considered to be plausible. Just like you, I couldn't tell that it was all fact, but there were many various sources. On the other hand, there were also many sources telling that the gearbox or gear ratios were different (including Jeremy Clarkson in Top Gear) but I happen to think that that is not true. They are probably the same, but due to desirable outcome they have tested and registered the performance differently.

@SDH-g8g

5 жыл бұрын

@@SoontobeClassics The gear ratios are the same, for sure. There are only a limited number of gearsets in the MA boxes. The ratios are the same as an AX GT, or 106 Rallye, or any of the sporting options (excluding the Saxo VTR). It's only the final drive that differs.

@SDH-g8g

5 жыл бұрын

As regards the Clarkson piece, I'd say there's nothing more relevant in the piece than him highlighting it can do 60mph in second. It doesn't have a particularly tall 2nd gear, it's just the final drive was chosen to allow the ratio to achieve 60mph in 2nd gear. The VTR would too, if didn't hit the rev limited 1000rpm earlier!

Ik heb een Saxo 16v gehad. (Nieuw gekocht en verkocht bij een km stand van 226k kilometer) ik herinner mij dat je met de saxo de 100 kon halen in z’n 2 en dat dit met de 106 alleen in z’n 3 kon. Dat maakte het verschil. In de praktijk niet echt vastgesteld.

Hi, where did you find the video archives of the cup ? By the way nice video

@SoontobeClassics

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I just wenst looking a lot of youtube videos and found different clips there and edited those all together. Thanks for the compliment!

@carsracing5901

Жыл бұрын

@@SoontobeClassics oh ok thanks. I m trying to find as much archives as possible 👌✌️

"we don't have budget for that" yeah right that's convenient so you get to drive it :P

@SoontobeClassics

2 жыл бұрын

😁

Hello if I am not wrong a Saxo is 70 to 80kg lighter than a 106. But however, a friend of mine had a 106 gti and stock it was definitely faster than 8,5sec to 100. 0 to 100 times on french cars are sometimes wrong.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for trying to help me out. I’ve also looked up te difference in weight, but it seems that the Saxo is only 15kg lighter. That shouldn’t make such a big difference. Possibly the 106 GTI is actually faster than Peugeot claimed.

@Pitof2001

5 жыл бұрын

I find informations on "netclub la sax" but it's french forum. But you have saxperience forum in english, you know ?

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

@@Pitof2001 I've looked on French forums, English forums and Dutch forums. Some people claim that the gearbox is different. Others say that the gear ratios are different. But it seems those things are the same as well.

Nice! What about a xsara vts edition?

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Those are very nice and fast as well! I have a ZX 16V with the same engine, so it would be nice to compare those :-)

@foxkomodo

5 жыл бұрын

i have the xsara vts 2.0 16v.... but in Argentina eheheheh

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

@@foxkomodo Cool! Then it will be difficult to drive them on the same road :-)

The difference between 106 s16 and Saxo is only on paper. There is difference in CO2 emission but in real life it depends of how fast you drive and on which gear ;)

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe that is true. I still hope that someone actually knows the real reason for the difference. In real life the fastest car will probably be the one with the better driver :-)

@safesclart

5 жыл бұрын

I thought i read somewhere that it was the gear box, VTS had a Longer 3rd gear??

Waarom niet in het Nederlands en Engels ondertiteling.

@SoontobeClassics

2 жыл бұрын

Terechte vraag! Op de eerste plek omdat Nederland een klein landje is. Ongeveer 1 op de 30 viewers bij Soon to be Classics is Nederlander. Ten tweede zijn Nederlanders het gewend om snel ondertiteling te kunnen lezen, maar in de meeste andere landen zijn ze dat niet gewend; men kijkt daar normaliter naar films in de eigen taal. Dus met Engelstalige films is het publiek veel groter dan met Nederlandstalige films.

I dont understand why this car never apears on racing games, apart from GT2.

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

Me neither, but probably it has something to do with the fact that not many people outside of Europe know these cars. They weren't available in Asia or America. It seems that race-game developers primarily select cars that were available on several continents.

@sVsWR24

5 жыл бұрын

Hope it starts to change. I have one but, its the 1.4 8v VTS

@SoontobeClassics

5 жыл бұрын

@@sVsWR24 Also a nice car! I had a black 1.4 8v VTS in 2003. I think it's an ideal car for younger people; it's a nice an quick car, but still really affordable to insure.

@LorenzoClara97

4 жыл бұрын

Sebastien loeb rally evo and Richard burns rally with mods like rbrworld; cz or real rally. They are present from the 106 n1 106/saxo n2/a6, 106 kit and saxo s1600

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