I'm ready...... Let the debate begin!!!! Citrine > Wisp

@hassanawada1736

3 ай бұрын

I stand with you

@trickyshift8901

3 ай бұрын

You're speaking the truth

@AstralWisp

3 ай бұрын

They're about equal in terms of support even as a wisp main i can't put either below #1

@decepticonsoundwave297

3 ай бұрын

Citrine rocking 4 good abilities instead of Wisp's 3

@AstralWisp

3 ай бұрын

just subsume roar or eclipse over mid gate & she's perfect lol Also citrine's 4 isn't anything crazy either so yeah

"what does wisp give you?" *neuron activation*

@WarframeFlo

3 ай бұрын

But gemussy

@the5thletter623

3 ай бұрын

⁠Counter argument: You cannot see the gemussy from behind, which is most of the gameplay

@ilovecotd

3 ай бұрын

this is so cringe

@Sku11zDude

3 ай бұрын

​@@the5thletter623true

@vornysamoyed6340

3 ай бұрын

Warframe players commenting gemussy under citrine is so cringe because you know none of them have felt the touch of a woman

Both sides are wrong. Everyone knows throwing Kahl in the gear wheel is the best support frame.

@EmvyBeats

3 ай бұрын

how do you throw Khal in the gear wheel?

@trivi7054

3 ай бұрын

​@EmvyBeats you have to get the ship from chipper and Kahl and his brothers are the ships air support u just need the ship and u can change the air support to the ship u r running

@mekanikose

3 ай бұрын

Counter argument citrine + wisp spectre. But kahl goon squad is gread

@NF89ye

3 ай бұрын

the music that comes with sevagoth's glaukus skin is all the support i need

As a Wisp main, I saw the thumbnail and was like, "What is this guy talking about?" and then got called out right away.

I love PLAYING Citrine, Wisp not so much. I do however love seeing a Wisp in the party.

@lrwkobra1

3 ай бұрын

I dont play wisp either, but i always want a wisp in party.

Citrine: nah, i'd win

@WarframeFlo

3 ай бұрын

Citrine superiority

I've always said that saying Citrine is a support frame is like claiming Octavia is a support frame... Technically true but you become the team carry anyway lol

@deathmetalalchemist5861

3 ай бұрын

supporting the team by killing most of the enemies

As a support main in most games; you have convinced me. Tonight I shall embark on the Citrine Journey

Loved Citrine from day 1, I'm just looking forward to more skins for her. I think fashion is where Wisp definitely has an advantage.

As a Wisp main, I love Citrine, but I find it hard to compare them, because they do entirely different things. As you say Citrine is the better support frame, because, well Wisp is not a support frame, she is a toolbox. Her play style entirely changes depending on your setup, making her a skeleton key to any content. I say this not to diminish Citrines worth but it's like comparing a Swiss army knife (Wisp) to a lighter (Citrine). You can do more things in general with a good army knife, especially if you're creative, even creating a fire, but there are certain things a lighter is just made for that an army knife will never be able to.

@WarframeFlo

3 ай бұрын

Honestly a good analogy

Newbie here. I think this is the build I'll be working towards. You explained it very calmly and well. Plus it's up to date. Thank you so much.

Citrine, the Support Tank Mage Gunslinger Melee Goddess

I remember I wrote off citrine after hearing about how annoying her farm was getting all those crystals. Then I got her as a pick in a round of steel path circuit. I became a believer that day since even running the default build I really felt both invincible and unstoppable

Dude I recently switched to a Citirne main and had no idea there was a new augment out for her. I need to pay attention. Thanks for the video now I need to play it half speed so I can follow!

mate, i just got Citrine. This came in the perfect time, amazing video. Thank you very much

great video, Citrine is my personal favorite of the frames that have come out in the last few years

I haven't looked into Citrine since shortly after she came out and builds then. I have mixed feelings hearing that the limit on her third ability of not hitting multiple enemies when you use AoE weapons got changed. It made sense to not encourage the AoE meta with how Citrine encouraged precise shots on the crystals with her fourth ability. On the other hand, it's very nice and makes her third ability much better and not my default choice to subsume over anymore

I do think that with your build there's little reason not to swap out stretch with archon stretch. Even if it is not reliable as a main energy source, the energy is a really nice passive bonus that you will feel in the end.

@Dark_Starvoid

2 ай бұрын

Also no reason not to swap primed flow for archon flow, just a tad bit more energy orbs wouldn't hurt anyone

hello Flo I've been enjoying all your videos so far. So will you make a Railjack guide and build now?

I was debating if I wanted to get Citrine or not, this video just sold me on her

I actually found the citrine farm quite enjoyable. Just either had a youtube video on or was doing it with a friend

So for Citrine a generally solid archon shard layout would be 2 green shards for corrosion stacks, 2 yellow shards for casting speed, and one flex shard for whatever you want? If that is the case, would a purple shard allow you to replace the equilibrium mod in your build (given that she produces so many health/energy orbs)?

I know you didn't, but I'm going to pretend you made this video for me after I asked for an updated citrine video. Thank for the great video!

Ahh yes, a true man of culture 💎 Spread the crystalline gospel, bruzzahs

@WarframeFlo

3 ай бұрын

Gems must be spread

Love your vids as always. You said something at the start that made me just like stop and think for a moment. "She doesn't even need a Helminth, that's how strong her kit is." This kind of makes me wanna ask. Is the Helminth good for the game, or would the game as a whole be better if Warframe kits were given way more focus and attention to keep each one relevant.

I do love Wisp, but lately I've been maining Octavia, Dante, and in higher levels, Yup! Citrine! I hated the grind to get her, but once i got her, it was super worth it.

I've always loved Citrine ever since I got the chance to test her out in the circuit, but I've never had the time for that grind. I can probably do it in one night, but I'll need a day of sleep after that lol. Also, love your videos!

@mihailnikolov5535

3 ай бұрын

I think with an average of 100 cyrstels per run (20 minutes) it's about 5 hours in total? Or roughly that.

That burston prime shredz

I do have to ask, I saw that you used Casting Speed and Corrosive Status Archon Shards, but what was the exact setup of said Shards? I'm using this build to help a friend with a Steel Path boss, and I'm wanting to get her as best as possible, thank you in advance!

I've tried citrine with unusual helminths like expedite suffering, not as bad as one might expect. definitely not meta but fun as hell!

There is a chance of Citrine parts drop in the mission too. Rotation C I think, like every 20 minutes (5 min for each round).

I have subsumed over her 1 with Nourish. And I subsumed her 3rd with pillage on another config. I find her 4th to good to subsume over, it allows you to kill Acolytes with bad weapons cuz of that crit buff lol

roar on 4th and run precision intensify i dont feel like her 4th is actually needed but can be used well also if you want something to take advantage of her priming then Cedo should be 1st or any melee with CO and yes as a support its better than wisp altho both in a team is awesome

Another great thing is despite your low efficiency on the build you can just lead enemies over to another enemy with a crystal on it if you have a decent amount of time remaining.

the citrine grind 💀glad i dont have to do it again already done it twice

Gotta build her today

It's better that the new augment doesn't slow the enemies affected by spread because that would suck for defence. You would have to hunt enemies otherwise. It's perfect augment as is.

9:05 sporothrix is so much fun on citrine, from 1% cc to 300% with 10x cd multiplier??? Also the enemies dont move so sniping is easier??? I think sporothrix + nukor are the weapons that get the most out of her 4

My favorite primary Tiberon Prime is a beast. Problem is you don't have enough mod slots to just make it work. If you build viral you don't crit hard enough, if you max crit you do nothing without viral. Either way you don't have a slot for a bane either. Enter Citrine's 4. Forget crit chance. Now you can get viral, bane and crit dmg, of which Tiberon has a high base multiplier. With Lavos new augment you can go the other route and forget viral cause you can apply it yourself in post.

I play both quite a bit but ima go Citrine. Maybe just me, with Wisp more times I can just put my motes down chill and be a bit lazy, Citrine make me feel more active/involved

I'm very glad I found this channel. Not gonna touch the Wisp vs. Citrine topic, though. I love them both! As for Shards, what would be recommended? Two Tau Corrosive and two Casting Speed are already in. What would the last Shard be? Tau Parkour (I'm NOT addicted, I swear), or something else?

@ddssrr1614

3 ай бұрын

Normal Corrosive shards x2 & 1 or 2 Tau casting speed shards & the 1 or 2 left Tau red for str. Or 1 casting & one parkhour as i have.

@rubencp93

3 ай бұрын

@@ddssrr1614 I don't feel like she needs Strength, so I'll just go Tau Parkour. Thank you!

@ddssrr1614

3 ай бұрын

@@rubencp93 I personally add some armor for survivability as my last shard. Tau blue

@mekanikose

3 ай бұрын

Theres no need to touch on citrine vs wisp cause why not have both. Having bith in the same mission means more buffs that makes the team doubly hard to kill if theres no one styanax or dante to share overguard

@ddssrr1614

3 ай бұрын

@@mekanikose Dream team Wisp Citrine Dante Styanax.

If you want you could use archon strectch which just takes her to the next level

I like both and switch between the sometimes, but I prefer Wisp with the invisibility for spy (the teleport abilty is also great), getting that much health plus healing and crowd control electricity (archon flow for regen) with huge fire rate increase is amazing. I like Citrine for the orb drops, the cool turret and healing plus increased dmg with crystals. I use wisp more as I can have chroma helminth on her plus augment with cold for more tanking or also eclipse for more dmg. I do like that no helminth required for Citrine and Wisp 😬😬 bye bye 4th abilty.

Imagine if she had an augment that made her crystal move with her Theyd just have to shut the whole thing down at that point cuz she'd just be the best Frame ever

My favorite frame. Shes such a good support

me an intellectual: Dante, the overguard is just a dont get into jail free card, you can build his book to deal a load of damage or to primer enemys while it syncs to your attack and you can get status chance. His kit is just insane and even barely modded he is stronk.

Where does the Recrystalize mod drop? There's nothing on the wiki yet :c

I mean they re two of my favorites and if you are constructing a team of 4 I would want one of each

Replaced her 2 with nourish and combat discipline, works well with her 3. You can even go semi afk with one spectre.

Gave her the aura that takes strength away and gives it to allies just to make her even better support

She is such a good frame

How the catalizing shield work i dont understand that like the shield gating what i have to do 😅?

enjoying boar prime and strun prime with atomos. Weapons that can hit multiple enemies just rip them alive with her 3. and 4 mass spreading now is so useful.

@yenchey3270

3 ай бұрын

Kuva Drakgoon on Citrine is absolute heaven

what's your fashion frame?

I used to be a Wisp main, but since Citrine’s release I’ve played her NONSTOP. (Until Dante bc he’s just so damn fun)

Possibly one of the best users or the Archon mods.

a small note at 1:15 citrine isn't available from the circuit you will actually have to push through her incredibly tedious and horrid farm to acquire her gl

If you go health tank you can easaly go insanly far even in endurence so you dont realy need shieldgating

What I find that nobody notices or mentions, is that her 3 has effectively infinite range. As long as you stay within the crystal's circle, any enemy, no matter how far away they are from you and the circle, will get status procs from the crystal if you shoot them.

Tbh i think stacking citrine with wisp or trinity is the play for a ton of mission types.

She is *VERY* versatile, I use her 1st and 3rd in pretty much any defense, survival, or stick together mission and her 2nd is great for hp and damage resistance then her 4th is good for crowd control and disruption when you need it most. And I can totally agree that she is better than Wisp 😉

whered you get that helmet?

Just a question, why not subsume the 2nd off bc of the infinite shield gate?

@InfernalAkuma

3 ай бұрын

Because her shields also benefit from the damage reduction her 2 has , meaning it takes that much oonger for her shields to deplete than if she didn't have it active

What about the achon shards?

I would keep crystalize on Citrine if her best weapon for crystalize Sporotrix and it's augment wasn't buggy still.

I just got her and was surprised how unpopular she seems to be. Support Tank and red crits for everyone? Winner

whats that ephemera? it look sick!

Awesome! Hope to see you do a Void Cascade Run with her one of these days if possible!

@WarframeFlo

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely

Citrine isn’t that bad of a frame to farm. Just use Titania fly around and collect those crystals and just watch a video on the side if u like. Pretty chill farm

Citrine mains rise up!!!

with the new augment, citrine can keep her full kit. wisp's 4 just isnt good/fun enough to keep. however, my preference with citrine is using breach surge as her 4 and playing a noncrit laetum xD

Bro, what is that burston build xD

Wisp and Citrine both have quality dumpys

We all wait for the prime

flo smells like crystals... rock

tip for farming her, u just gotta do a mission type that gives u a currency which u can exchange for her its called platinum ez.

@enjoythelegend

3 ай бұрын

that's not even the worst farm, you don't have to waste plat on her.

I feel like that goes to Harrow fr, but Citrine is amazing

I am an oberon and trinity main. Oberon is my unkillable warframe and also my best support frame. Legit level 9999 enemies cant kill him with me standing still. and my trinity is my solo nuking frame.

Dante laughs at both

i play a lot of citrine and have learned the following: i dropped equilibrium for one tau purple equilibrium shard and have been using it for weeks and can honestly say it is NOT worth it. you really want the full bonus equilibrium. also, archon vitality is not needed for anything other than a roar+ gem build using a heat inherit primer. a lot of people act like that mod is mandatory on her..

Yessirrrr

Citrine my beloved, probably my favorite generalist frame

What if i use new elementalist mods 😮

I am ashamed that I used to be a Wisp Main but switched to Gemussy!

Bro woke up and chose war 😂

Heres my take on the debate Arcane blessing on citrine is like icing on the cake granted wisp easily gets it at the same time though dmg reduc is peak on citrine And it just has so much more fun than just gliding for invisibility somehow I don’t feel so exposed when I use her

Having negative efficiency isn’t a bother cause of her 1

Citrine 3 + Cascadia Empowered on Kompressa go BRRRRRRRRT

@WarframeFlo

3 ай бұрын

DAMAGE

You are right but i still play tryn

Citrine is not available from the Circuit tho...

finally someone else said iy

I get that overall citrine is better, but in endurance runs she just gonna get eaten alive. Wisp’s passive and her 2 make survivability much more viable. Her 3 is still very good. Her speed and shock mote are very effective in high level mission, and you can replace her 4 with what you want from helminth.

@alexandreboudteault-leblan3815

3 ай бұрын

Breach surge is absolutely busted haha, the fact that you can have breach surge and any damage buff you want on her at the same time is enough for me to main her. And I agree that wisp survivability is out of this world. And you don’t need fire rate or attack speed mod on her, so thats a free mod slot for more damage.

wwhen next stream? W vid

@WarframeFlo

3 ай бұрын

Soon

@CheweyRocco

3 ай бұрын

TM

I like to go fast so I just enjoy wisp more.

I will now farm this warframe.

@mihailnikolov5535

3 ай бұрын

Update, I got her, she's awesome!

Farming her from circiit? How? I thought she is there not farmable

Support Citrine > Wisp Utility Wisp >Citrine Since Dante is mentioned a lot I will discuss him briefly. Dante can kind of do it all. He just depends on what you give him and what you take away. Looking at it from a more archetype view. Dante is a summoner. Depending on his summons he gains different archetypes he can lean into. This is amplified even more by which pet, spectre, crew member etc that you summon. For example with just a HOUND alone Dante can have 9 separate distractions on the field. While others can have several of those targets from the hounds, the difference is Dante is so cast heavy that the uptime is built in and he can easily keep his energy levels up due to a combination of innate long duration of abilities and tome mod buffs. Citrine is better at buffing and de buffing as a whole. Wisp can provide buffs but is better at providing a variety of utility effects such as blinds, drawing aggro, stealth etc. Trinity is a cleric and is flat out support Nekros seems like a summoner but is more of a Necromancer My two cents. 😊

wouldnt adaptation be better on her instead of catalyzing shields, for 99% of content anyways?

Citrine is good, but. U still need energy for support. So If u do mistake and lost energy (don't pay attention and spam, murmur enemy) u can't support, wisps flower still stay on ground, buff stay on u for decent time. Wisp have much more CC and inv frames. Citrine supporting work much less on boss like encounters without ads, and we can get more of this in future. DR work less on scaling, and u mention it.

@InnocentiusLacrimosa

3 ай бұрын

You are just grasping for reasons. There are so many ways to get energy: pizza, operator, citrine's own abilities, mods, companions that a single mistake will not doom you.

10s in bro did not just say that