It's a shame that the ten commandments didn't include the protection of children from clergy

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

The bible itself is pretty hard on the kiddies. They can be murder when the village you are invading doesn't surrender. Except the virgin girls who you can keep for yourself. Boys teasing a bald prophet get torn apart by she bears. Abraham's son is almost gutted to prove a point. And many more.

@benavraham4397

2 жыл бұрын

The Tora specifies that the homosexual act is an "abomination" and specificies the death penalty for such act.

@borissirobjones7960

2 жыл бұрын

I'm an atheist. But please don't think for one moment that all people of faith think that it's OK to abuse children. It happens.

@freedomisbrightestindungeons

Жыл бұрын

In the defense of the Christian’s They don’t claim to be perfect, they state they are imperfect but are trying to better themselves

@benavraham4397

Жыл бұрын

@@freedomisbrightestindungeons CHRISTianity claims that the Messiah ("Christ") already came. After that, the whole world should have been perfected, so WHY is there still sin?🤯?🤯?🤯

Wow, I never knew Stephen Fry could be so harsh and still be charismatic. All my respect to Stephen Fry!

@union310

2 жыл бұрын

Fry fears God, that's his problem

@1ouncebird

2 жыл бұрын

@@union310 Oh you've so nailed it union310. Stephen Fry just cowers his way through life with his "problem" of thinking critically when he could be blissfully and mindlessly lapping up the blatherings of ancient, frightened desert dwellers instead. Yup, you've seen right through him.

@union310

2 жыл бұрын

@@1ouncebird Thank you.

@shioq.

2 жыл бұрын

Stephen Fry is a perverted homosexual.

@ploppysonofploppy6066

Жыл бұрын

Can't fear what doesn't exist

I always admired how Christopher would always leave when he knew it was hopeless. A true intelligent man/woman never wastes their own time

@PedroTricking

2 жыл бұрын

Why why whywould you ever at all admire that, it is something that is understandable, it is not something to admire. Is it brave to give up as to not waste your time? Any demagogue can invoke that same principle to dismiss anything. I find it absurdly far more admirable to be able to talk to these lunatics like the "not true intelligent man" Stephen Fry. By your own definition Hitchens is partially one of those dumber men as well since he has done so before.

@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504

2 жыл бұрын

I think he left because he had no answers. If he had any credibility he would have defended his point of view.

@addz17

2 жыл бұрын

@@PedroTricking If i had to listen to Anne for more than 5 minutes I'd have to leave too. Especially if the topic is religion with a brainwashed wench.

@PedroTricking

2 жыл бұрын

@@addz17 Sure, and that says absolutely nothing good about you. Nobody should ever praise you for doing the least challenging thing, anyone can do that. The extraordinary thing would be to answer her questions. Her, being a person that is influential enough to seemingly have people like the "Please permit me to speak oh great one" fellow think she's reasonable.

@PedroTricking

2 жыл бұрын

@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 He had answers. He gave answers. He has credibility, he can back up his points of view logically. He did defend his point of view until he left. Your comment would have been deserved if when she asked a hard question Hitchens couldn't answer, he left. That's not what happened at all. On the other hand, again, there's absolutely nothing admirable about leaving an interview where you're just being asked questions.

"Sadly the majority of the audience agreed with my opponents." Well, that's what logic, facts and truth presented to an educated audience does, madam.

@jimmyb4982

Жыл бұрын

What's sad is that she thinks it's sad.

@briancolwill3071

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmyb4982 What's sadder is that she CAN'T see it

It always makes me laugh that, in almost any debate, the people arguing against religion know more about it than the people arguing for it.

@trevorluft6032

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve come to know when people think religion they automatically assume God and when people think of God they automatically think religion… but God is not in the definition of religion, religion is a creature of man not God a creature of the state. So god could be your religion or golf all depends on your religion.

@trevorluft6032

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve come to know that the religious people who love God are actually serving the wrong god and the atheist knows even less,but is still serving the same god as the religious people

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

@@trevorluft6032 How did you come to know that. What does that make you? You hate God so are serving the right god?

@union310

2 жыл бұрын

They believe they know more about it.

@brodi7748

2 жыл бұрын

In my limited experience, it always seems that when people really learn more about a given religion, the less they actually believe. Many of those I have met that are the firmest believers haven't actually read or looked into their religion.

"what's wrong with it is it isn't true of course" lol gotta love Stephen Fry.

@union310

2 жыл бұрын

Wait till he is judged

@torbenlysholm1

2 жыл бұрын

@@union310 He is already judged by millions who are happy he's here. The rest of you can f o.

@BestAnimeFreak

2 жыл бұрын

@@union310 Yeah, when he is judged by Odin an not let into the halls of Valhalla, as he did not die on the battlefield ... He will go to Vallheim and so will you ... ... ... Oh, wait ... you probably talked about the other made up thing, my bad ^^

@union310

2 жыл бұрын

@@BestAnimeFreak It doesn't really worry me what you think. But answer this one question 🤔 which came first in evolution, the heart, the blood or the veins? You see onenwithout the other is useless so that would spell inteligent design rather than an accident of two bits of matter on a beach bumping into each other. You keep on not believing, you must have a lot of faith.

@BestAnimeFreak

2 жыл бұрын

@@union310 "which came first in evolution, the heart, the blood or the veins?" I'm not an evolutionary biologist, but my uneducated guess would be the blood. I know you think that you need all three things at the same time, but that only shows your lack of understanding and imagination. We know for a fact, you don't need all three things, so your own incredulity only shows why you don't understand it, not why it's wrong ... "You see onenwithout the other is useless so that would spell inteligent design" Only if you lack any understanding of the real world you'd think that. Why exactly would blood without veins and the heart be useless? Why would you think, that blood without veins and the heart would have the exact same purpose as blood with veins and a heart? Sorry, but you are heavily mistaken ... "rather than an accident of two bits of matter on a beach bumping into each other." I tell you what. It is neither intelligent design, nor an accident. Why is it, that creationists are always so daft when it comes to evolution? For them it's always black&white ... Guess what it's not ... exactly, black&white ... So every time a creationists uses the strawman of it either being their incompetent god or an 'accident', I already know they are either dishonest or never actually talked with someone who understands evolution ... Because if they would have talked with a person that does, they would know that their bullshit is just that ... bullshit ... "You keep on not believing, you must have a lot of faith." You can shove Frank Tureks idiocy just right up your butt. There is no faith required in understanding how the world works. Just because you think you need at least two wheels to move around (bike), doesn't mean an unicycle doesn't exist ... It only means, that you are not aware that one does exist. And instead of accepting that one does exist, when other people tell you it does and even present you with one, you ignore it and still pretend that a bike is 'irreducible complex' and all parts need to be there and can't exist on their own ... Like the uneducated moron creationists tend to be ... >.>

"Don't swallow your moral code in Tablet form." -Christopher Hitchens

Stephen is one of the few people that gives the word "bully" the weight it deserves.

@trevorluft6032

2 жыл бұрын

Yes God is a dictator because he owns and made everything it’s called a perculiar right one’s own! That’s why he commands the man. Who’s your lawgiver dictator? God, America, North Korea, Canada, Britain ? etc….. for the gods of the nations are idols which means images but the Lord made the heavens. So our country is the idol which we love and serve, and we sing a hymn to our idol called an anthem. Definition of a Roman country man definition of a country man,pagan.

@TgfkaTrichter

2 жыл бұрын

@@trevorluft6032 But countrys are existing, unlike God. Also countrys are run by man and history has shown time and time again, that those goverments can be challenged and had been challenged by their people. God on the other hand cannot be challenged, allthough none would deserve it more, if he would existing. He is the ultimate dictator, an utterly evil being (at least the god of the Bible is) who would deserve to lose his head way more then every bad king ever did.

@jackwhitbread4583

2 жыл бұрын

@@TgfkaTrichter countrys are no more real than God, they are a man made construct. We determined the borders and names of the country's, earth doesn't have country's just land mass, it is humans and humans alone that made the country's

@craigmckenzie4967

Жыл бұрын

@@trevorluft6032bro you need to read your Bible more. Did Jesus not say “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and render unto God what is God’s”? Seems like Jesus was perfectly ok with government and participating in society.

I have to admit that I've never seen Stephen Fry worked up and angry like this before. I guess it's time to watch more of him.

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

Watch the while debate then. His best line is when she tried to defend the Church not knowing morals values like don't keep slaves, don't rape children because it was so long ago and no one knew better to which he declares loudly "Then what are you for!!!"

@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504

2 жыл бұрын

@@cameronlapworth2284 Fry defending religion would be like a black person defending the kkk. Obviously he's going to be against it because it doesn't agree with homosexuality.

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 no she was defending religion not Fry. Anne Whiticome I believe is her name. Fry actually is relatively kind to religion in general in this debate and kind to individual Catholics his problem is with the Vatican. His homosexuality as you say is one good reason but far from the only one again watch the whole debate.

@marioguidotomasone1265

2 жыл бұрын

@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 oh no, he's standing against religion because it's against rational thinking and freedom of thought

@bensonhedges26

2 жыл бұрын

Ann Widdecombe will have that effect on most people. Hateful woman.

"Sorry, that was very rude of me." Stephen.

I love how Hitchens just walks away :)

Anne Widdecombe taking on Stephen fry and Christopher Hitchens is like a spud gun taking on a tank

"Okay. Bye now!" I love Hitchens.

I think this shows why Stephen Fry is an admirable role model. He is intellectual and resolute in his beliefs, but he's also conscious of the person he's speaking to and can quickly reproach himself when he feels that he's been unreasonable or rude.

@nocoz007

2 жыл бұрын

or had.

“Those desert tribes have stored up more misery for mankind than any other group of people in the history of the world.” Spot on Mr. Fry, spot on.

@sfreddy

2 жыл бұрын

indeed.

@thedolphin5428

2 жыл бұрын

True, but, technically she asked a specific question, and he agreed with it -- "So what's wrong with the 10 commandments?" "Nothing, except what they leave out" Then they would have to be the 1,245 commandments, which is really a disingenuous, sophist response. I'm an atheist, through and through, and nof a fan of AW. But ffs, let's face it, the 10 commandments ARE/HAVE BEEN a moral force for good. Just that they are not adhered to by many.

@davepowell7168

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedolphin5428 l do not covet my really hot neighbours ass? Forget the usury, slavery,rape and child sex,l follow the rules set in stone.

@ashrasmun1

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedolphin5428 Well, the main problem, for me, with the commandments is that christianity usurps the rights to claim they revolutionised how we guide each other in moral terms. Some commandments are stupid and some, while being good, are just not unique to christianity. There's no society in which killing is promoted and it survived into modern age, just as an example. Some of those commandments are just objectively good, but they are placed under the umbrella of christianity for no reason. You can be an anti-theist, muslim, sikh, whatever, and still firmly believe that some of the stuff written down there is true, because it just is, but it has nothing to do with christianity (in that context)

@thedolphin5428

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashrasmun1 Hmmm. 1. My point was about how CH rephrased the question to suit his own polemic against it. 2. Ignoring for the moment all the shit Judeo-Christianity has said and done, you forget that we in the West have 5000 + 2000 years of moral structuring from the bible. Neither you nor I nor CH can say where planetary morals would have/might have been without that. Same as the West acclaims "Greek Democracy" without knowing what might have evolved without it?!?! Hence Judeo-Christianity has not really usurped such morals but clearly been a major force for them being adopted. A modern person cannot propose that we would have turned out the same or better without it. Had you been born in 15th Japan, or Arabia 500AD, you might have been glad of a few moral rules to guide society. As well, many atheist cultures (and non Judeo-Christian ones) have NOT become moral paragons over 5000 years. The advertised Atheist Moral Commonsense has not become the default in a lot of atheist places. Hence I think much of Judeo- Christian morality is so woven into the modern Western persona that you THINK you now see wiser moral paradigms NOT constructed around it. I think that's a pretence. I think your/my/our mental freedom to choose a higher moral plane ***IS A RESULT*** of our surrounding and inherent crypto-religious culture -- even if one is born into an atheist family (like me). Don't forget I'm a rabid atheist. So why would I support SOME of religion's values instead of completely tossing out baby AND bathwater? Because, as you say, good morals ARE FUNDAMENTAL but ... but ... but ... only to some people. Good morals are only the default for good-hearted people, of which there are many in both the religious AND non-religious fraternities. YOU may not want to kill someone, but many do. So the 10 commandments are good for the dickheads. Which is WHY I reckon they were first written, because Moses' people had turned into murderous, raping, coverting, adulterous, thieving morons. Moses didn't come down with 10 commandments in stone cos he thought they would survive till 2020. He just wanted to calm down the calamities in his tribes in the Sinai. He didnt write another 1247 equally important ones cos he ran out of tablets, I suppose. It is such a spurious argument to say "religion's are incomplete". They are products of their age. Duh. I think we owe the codification of the Judeo-Christian commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill into Britsh Law a great debt. Sure, YOU and I don't need it, but many do. Do you want those fuckers running around free, "exercising their inherent moral compassess"? As an atheist, one does not need to shit all over every aspect of organised religion -- as many do. It's not a black and white issue of "religion bad, non-religious good".. An intelligent, secular, humanitarian person can sort wheat from chaff in both paddocks. Atheism without any inherent spiritualism has, imo, become a licenscious, hedonistic, ammoral, hyper-libertarian force for rampant selfish, greedy, consumerism. True Christianity, as Jesus reputedly was, has and will continue to subtly guide Western civilisation for a long time to come because it is so woven into the cultural thread. Yes, there's lots of ridiculous shit in there too. But this video and my original post was about the question: Are not the 10 commandments a force for good? My reply is yes. Hitchens dodged the question ONLY BECAUSE he knows damn well they are, but needed to habitually spit invective at religion. So much for his intellectual integrity.

I love the part when Hitch walks out the door and says "alright bye now"........classic Hitchslap to that old cow.

I fangirled so much. Christopher and Stephen are both so clear of thought and eloquent! Completely crushed her.

@ulalaFrugilega

8 жыл бұрын

+giligara30492 i think actually, and to my surprise, Hitch fled her, but I can't blame him!

@gpgara

8 жыл бұрын

A. DUBITANTE No, neither can I!

@PaulA-fp3vs

7 жыл бұрын

They had already debated the woman was just being cantankerous and obstinate.

@brianbozo2447

2 жыл бұрын

"Crushed " her by running out of the room and becoming hysterical. Both come across as condescending and intolerant.

@kubrikansis7289

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianbozo2447 “Never argue with an idiot. You'll never convince the idiot that you're correct, and bystanders won't be able to tell who's who” - Mark twain You, I’m afraid, are the bystander in this instance…

I love Stephen so much. The fervour with which he weilds compassion and self-control commensurately and intentionally with angry criticism is beautiful.

When she emphasises “3000 years ago, ya” as if that doesn’t undermine her own outlook. 😂

@David-ll1dj

2 жыл бұрын

To paraphrase Bill Hicks; "it was a long time ago, just forget about it... ok, well don't mention Jesus to me"...

Wasn't she in several Monte Python sketches?

@gamleskalle1

9 жыл бұрын

hahahahaha

@EdDerp101

9 жыл бұрын

HawklordLI Zing

@ulalaFrugilega

8 жыл бұрын

+HawklordLI the actress you are referring to is the very sweet Marjorie Wilde - unimpressed by the tortures of the Spanish Inquisition...

@danielliverpool3789

5 жыл бұрын

Religious nut bags

@kenhowell07

3 жыл бұрын

No.Just the bad teeth

She looks so pleased with herself as if she is brilliant when she really has no idea what she's saying.

@jensrogerkristoffersen5472

8 жыл бұрын

+Aaron Hinckley (Secular Progressive) it's the look fundamentalists have, thinking they have defeted their oponent, when the oponent just has realised I can't fix (argue against) stupid

@comparedtowhat2719

5 жыл бұрын

Jazzkeyboardist1 - You sound so foolish.

@ZombieProdigyUS

5 жыл бұрын

@Jazzkeyboardist1 Who the hell do you think you are?? I bet youre as smart as you sound.

@doctorfeinstone6524

5 жыл бұрын

@Jazzkeyboardist1 typical smug asshole who thinks he knows more than a scientist

@thomasramos526

4 жыл бұрын

Jazzkeyboardist1 maybe he didn’t have a mother, but it’s clear your father failed you, puss.

Stephen Fry fried her..... Roasted her!

Hitchens was awesome with debate, shame he passed so soon; loved watching him.

@ryanorionwotanson4568

Жыл бұрын

Murdered by his tribe 👹👺,? Probably

She keeps saying, "3,000 years ago." Does she think that time makes genocide okay?

@nsignific

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah she says that like it's perfectly normal to accept the teachings of backwards people whose actions she would never condone today. And she doesn't realize how insanely stupid that seems to thoughtful people.

@Worldhistory_urdu_hindi

4 жыл бұрын

@Jazzkeyboardist1 Christopher hitchens is not claiming to posses divine morals The people who wrote that book were claiming that their morality came from the divine

@kuuttinuutti4417

3 жыл бұрын

@Jazzkeyboardist1 i don't know how "science proves Christopher wrong". your claims seem quite absurd. and you're talking as if he was the sole reason for thr iraq war. the man has done great things and was a great thinker, but he is a mere human like all of us with his flaws. you're going on a crusade in this comment section, you seem ti have a lot of unresolved anger

@kuuttinuutti4417

3 жыл бұрын

@Jazzkeyboardist1 i don't know what chrissy you're talking about, but Christopher was no coward. he wasn't afraid to admit he was wrong. and i don't know where your claims about her mother committing suicide because of Hitchens come from. it seems she killef herself because of a fraudulent clergyman. quite disrespectful to talk about someone's mother in that tone

@kuuttinuutti4417

3 жыл бұрын

@Jazzkeyboardist1 a scientific fact? you seem to misunderstand the meaning of that word. i don't know why you brough up Hitchens' bisexuality nor do i know whether the claim is true. based on your comments you just spout whatever shit comes out from your mouth to degrade his memory. nowhere could i find any evidence for her mother killing herself because of Hitchens' criticism of judaism. you pulled that one righr out of your ass i'm not interested in your attempts to undermine all the great things he's done with lies and slander. and what the fuck is the name chrissy you use. if you're such a fan of his mother, you'd know she didn't like the prospect t of Christopher "circumcising" his name to a shorter one and Christopher honored that. you seem to be unable to do that

Stephen Fry's voice sounds like warm honey in my ear. Utterly delightful.

Her best response to Mr. Hitchens' criticism of the Bible's ordering people to perform evil acts is: "Yes, 3000 years ago." So, doing evil 3000 years ago was correct? And just in case you say that was the O.T., Jesus himself (reportedly said) he did not come change one word of the O.T. Meaning, in essence, he agreed with the O.T. doctrines.

@Bog_Dog

5 жыл бұрын

Jazzkeyboardist1 you don’t need to say that what the bible says is true to say that what it promotes is immoral.

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bog_Dog no he was pointing to mattew quoting jesus saying not one jot or tittle of the old law is to change until the end of all. This is relevant as any incontinent ie. Evil commandment in the bible is argued by many Christians to be irrelevant because of the new covenant. Not so according to Jesus.

@joperhop

2 жыл бұрын

He said he did not come to change the laws, but to fullfill them, so when modern christians bleet about how jesus changed things I quote that. and ask if they eat bacon.

"Sadly a majority of the audience agreed with my a-PON-ents"

Imagine her voice on a GPS

@LawlFrank

3 жыл бұрын

"Thou shalt taketh a right turn on the roundabout in 200 meters."

"Thou shall not kill" WOOOOOW... That's amazing...

She said "3000 years ago" as if it makes it ok.

@DraculaCronqvist

2 жыл бұрын

In the mind of those people, it does.

I love how this is a follow-up video conducted by HER and presented by HER, and she still comes out looking the idiot in comparison to Fry and Hitchens. No amount of bias can protect her from the obvious amount of intelligence each of them puts into their arguments. The church had better choose a better prepared representative if they wish to stand a chance against either of these formidable, well spoken men!

@pseudonayme7717

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. They have a real problem in that anyone stupid enough to believe it all is definitely not smart enough to defend it in any logically consistent way 😆

@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but they didn't win the argument though did they. We don't all get to go home and say religion is all a lie, we can do what we like, there is no God, because these guys debunked it. No one gets to remain neutral, that's what atheists don't like. They're forced to make a choice.

@EddyPassmore

2 жыл бұрын

No, I'm afraid you're incorrect there; their aim isn't to get you to go home and say god is a lie. To paraphrase Hitchens, you're perfectly welcome to play with your toys, but you can't force me to play with them. You can't make my children play with them, and you can't tell people that they are wrong, sinful or otherwise apostatic for playing with their own toys, because your toys forbid it. As an atheist, I don't give a shit if you remain neutral, frankly. What I do care about is the freedom of all people to make their own choices on what to believe, based entirely on their own ability to reason rather than fear of retribution. And I was never forced to make a choice.

@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504

2 жыл бұрын

@@EddyPassmore My point was nobody gets to remain neutral and avoid the whole 'Is there a God, is there not a God?' question. Nobody forces you to believe in God, that's entirely your decision, you have total freedom to make a choice. By declaring yourself an atheist then you already have made your choice.

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 actually they won the debate hands down. You're wrong about athiests too. We don't have to choose many of us are just unconvinced of the Christian God they same way they remain to be convinced of big foot. We await evidence.

1:24 Referencing Marcion of Sinope. An excellent Hitchslap. I always learn something new about religion and history from Hitchens. He was so well-read and well-spoken. Dearly missed

Poor lady, to see her faith crumbling down before her eyes when she thought she was going to corner these two brilliant minds.

Go Stephen Fry. They made a brutal team. The other nincompoops didn't stand a chance in that debate. It was quite unfair lol

0:50 ive never seen him make that face

@ThunderGenesis

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I was thinking the same thing.

@matimus100

2 жыл бұрын

Its a face of disgust

A fun game: Ask someone. Anyone, Any age : Invent 10 commandments. It never ceases to surprise me that people can come up with a better list off the top of their heads. "Do not rape" "Do not take slaves" "Do not blackmail" "Respect others' individuality" "Don't torture people. or animals". etc.

@EdDerp101

9 жыл бұрын

tonycatman Awesome experiment. Will try myself

@ulalaFrugilega

8 жыл бұрын

+tonycatman i like that! Will play it with people next chance i get

@crazybunkum

6 жыл бұрын

tonycatman 👌

@2Malachi

2 жыл бұрын

Most of those are in God's laws anyway, but the ten are the big issues that affect how society runs.If you want to respect individuals like Bill Epstein and Prince Andrew, that's your choice I guess.

@hattenkofer

2 жыл бұрын

@@2Malachi Cheap play on words: "Respect others' individuality." is not at all the same as "Respect every individual's actions." And no: Not one of the rules the OP mentions is contained or even implied by the Biblical commandments. The only worthwhile rule in the Bible is Jesus's "Don't do unto others …". But Christianity can hardly claim original authorship on that one.

and Mr. Fry is absolutely right, Hitchens is one of my favorites as well, she didn't stand a chance

Mr. Fry is a legend

Stephen Fry has such grace!

she has the most composure i've ever seen I think. brava lady, brava.

Stephen has the perfect comnbination of politeness and assertiveness :)

I love these two guys. We need them.

Ann: Asks a question. Stephen and Christopher: Answer the question in an intelligent and well thought out way. Ann: Interrupts and attempts to belittle.

@logofreetv

2 ай бұрын

they both avoided direct answers FIFY

I couldn't admire more someone who is so unshakable in their calm. Someone who simply wait for their opponent to finish, and then rebuke every point they give.

Good! I now will look at Stephen wist 'new eyes'. Loved it. Carry on, sir!

I never knew, Stephan Fry, the QI guy would be so aggressively thoughtful. he might just be the whole package!

Holy cow! That's the angriest, I'm choosing to call it, I've ever seen Stephen. Bravo for both of them for not going insane on those people.

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

Well you should check out his interview with some religious interviewer from Island who makes the mistake of asking Stephen what he would say to God if he was wrong after he died. A pretty good amount of anger there too equally eloquent.

@chrishilton3626

2 жыл бұрын

@@cameronlapworth2284 he’s just really angry at God because God says he can’t have sex with his so-called husband because they’re both the same gender or sex or whatever you want to call it

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrishilton3626 you tell yourself that Chris. Mind reading is but another excuse some Christians claim for themselves to avoid thinking. Fry doesn't hate the religious he hates dogma and bullies. If you could convince me that God existed I'd have every reason to be angry as particularly the OT is a nasty piece of work but as I'm convinced he's made up I just see God as a reflection of human evil. Those that believe cafeteria style in whatever is convenient and ignore what is not is to be lamented. Homophobia seems to be where you draw the line but do you support slavery? Refuse to wear mixed fabrics, work on Sunday's all these things are covered in the bible and ignored by almost every Christian. Why are you so gun ho on who sleeps with who while happily working the Sabath (a death sentence in the bible)?

@chrishilton3626

2 жыл бұрын

@@cameronlapworth2284 No hate Fry hates God because he can’t do what he likes according to God. From my experience God is not a nasty piece of work that’s exactly what the devil wants u to thinks not everything that’s evil looks evil lots of things that are nowadays accepted in society are evil just because they look pretty doesn’t mean they are aren’t evil evil doesn’t always come in ugly forms It pretties itself up before it reveals itself to you I don’t support slavery and neither does the Bible nowhere in the Bible does it actively condone slavery it just accept that for the time being slavery is part of the way the world ancient world existed so God put down laws for slavery such as discipline and other stuff. Many people were happy to be slaves because they couldn’t survive outside of slavery some people sold them selves into slavery just for food and a roof over their head. Not every slave master was horribly evil like European colonisers were to the African slaves in the African slave trade. Slavery was not exactly the way you think it was in the ancient world it wasn’t all doom and gloom. As I said many slaves would rather be slaves then be free and out of work not able to afford medicine or even a loaf of bread. Jesus did not come to abolish the sabbath but he said that the sabbath didn’t matter anymore really he let his disciples reap the ears of corn and eat them on the sabbath on Shabbat the festival acknowledging the Sabbath as sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. One tip of advice don’t try to generalise all Christians into one group we are all different denominations of Christianity Catholics believe some things I don’t orthodox believe other things that I don’t I’m an evangelical Protestant so I don’t agree with the catholic tradition of making Mary mother of Jesus more of a big thing then she was and a better yet please don’t generalise the Bible and cherry pick things out of context if you read the Bible from top to bottom trying to understand the meanings of Said words rather than just reading it and saying right I don’t care about any of that I’m going to rebel and not believe in any of it

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrishilton3626 Chris read the sections on the bible on slavery. It's true the bible doesn't tell you must own slaves it just regulates it. So you are allowed to beat your slaves as long as they don't die in a couple days after that it's cool. You can keep captured girls as your sex slaves after battle. It's vile and that God couldn't have prohibited it as he did shell fish shows you this is a human book nothing to do with a caring God. Next stop suggestiong you can Read minds you do not know that Fry hates God that's BS most athiests simply are not convinced a God exists. Period. I don't assume that all Christians believe the same stuff. That's why I suggested most of you choose your beliefs like choosing food at a cafeteria. I'll take that, no that bits icky, yes I'll have a bit of that, don't want any of that. I point out though that your books contradictions and your differences in dogmas are your problem to solve and not mine. Don't expect me to give a pass to different sects picking and choosing what they consider cannon. That's what I'd expect from a man made God and a man made bible contradiction. Just remember not one jot or tittle of the old law... that's Jesus speaking. If he's contradicting himself or its just different sects putting words in his mouth for their own purposes that's your issue not mine.

The way Stephen Fry reacted and responded to that woman 🔥🔥

Fry is a beast when he gets passionate!

I audibly burst out laughing when fry said the Ten Commandments weren’t true. Her face was priceless

@simongross3122

2 жыл бұрын

Actually he didn't say the 10 commandments weren't true. He said that her assertion that they underpinned all of western society and morality wasn't true and then he gave examples from Socrates etc. Commandments can't be true or false, they can only be good or bad.

Stephen should be a Sir he deserves it 👍 the Hitch was a legend in his own lifetime 🌹

I love Fry! He bollocks people in a poetic way.

"alright bye now " hahahahaaaaa :D !

Wow!! Mr. Fry did well on his comeback. I love that.

Stephen Fry makes me happy! :D

Never seen this clip until now, nice

"How dare they have other people agree with their statements! I'll show them!"

Ahh, right :) Yeah, she had nothing to add to that conversation really.

2:03 - The MOST PERFECT way to answer questions like that! I have stolen that response many times since I first heard this a few years back........

Ahh i could listen to Stephen all day

If there was anyone in the world worthy of being a god, it'd be Stephen Fry. The world is a nicer place with this channel. This picked me right up AP2, keep em coming.

Her voice hurts my ears

@jensrogerkristoffersen5472

8 жыл бұрын

+phreddy87 and her doctrine hurts my brain

Stephen looks at her like he can't believe she just said that... in fact he may have been thinking exactly that when she asked that question

Fry was amazing in the debate considering I believe he doesn't have a lot of experience.

@fullmatthew

2 жыл бұрын

Fry has a lot of debate experience, across a wide variety of topics.

@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504

2 жыл бұрын

I don't view him as an intellectual heavyweight, he's overrated in my eyes. Sure, he's well read and knowledgeable but not a particularly engaging communicator.

@gareth6326

2 жыл бұрын

@@pleasepermitmetospeakohgre1504 I am guessing you are religious and don't approve of his views? If you don't find him engaging, I can't say you are wrong because it is your opinion. It seems strange to me as he has had a long and successful career as an actor/comedian/tv host so probably succeeded in being an engaging communicator for the past 40 years at least.

Stephen Fry is like Hitchens in how he destroys people but plus an awesome accent.

he is such a good guy, stephen fry, what a beautiful soul

i really hope i meet stephen fry some day, one of my heroes

God bless Mr. Hitchens. quite possibly the most honest man to ever walk the earth.

Fortunately, and I am truly happy, this restores my good thoughts of humanity, most of the people agrees with the rational thought process.

Loving the fry and Hitchens!

I definitely agree with your statement. I do find it hard to picture his concept.

0:36 Biggest understatement I've heard in years!

i love Stephen fry's brain!!!

"I do understand what love is, and that is one of the reasons I can never again be a Christian. Love is not self denial. Love is not blood and suffering. Love is not murdering your son to appease your own vanity. Love is not hatred or wrath, consigning billions of people to eternal torture because they have offended your ego or disobeyed your rules. Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward." Dan Barker

@DraculaCronqvist

2 жыл бұрын

The abrahamic religions have been the greatest gaslighters of human history.

Does anyone else think the thumbnail makes it look like Hitchens is interviewing himself XD

Are believers not just a little suspicious of the origins of the Ten Commandments? For instance one commandment reads "You shall not covet your neighbour's house; you shall not covet your neighbour's wife... or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbour's." Are you kidding .. his ox or donkey? Does anyone do that these days? Sounds like the antiquated voice of people from the past writing it. If it was the voice of god, surely god would not be too specific about ox and donkeys. There's no mention of not coveting your neighbour's car, his computer, his lawn mower, and maybe in the future his spaceship, etc.. If this was a commandment for all time, it should be general and skip specific references to livestock.

@ulalaFrugilega

8 жыл бұрын

+vee tour come on ... who would covet a neighbor's donkey??? I mean COVET?!? A donkey??

@ativoflegacy

6 жыл бұрын

Mark Johnson coming from you

@luisishere987

6 жыл бұрын

vee tour Good points

HER VOICE!!! I'M MELTING! OH, WHAT A WORLD!

Interesting that Fry had more patience than Hitchens, who knew immediately he was arguing with a demogogue who would not be moved, and who was looking for propaganda to extend her own message.

he refers to the consciousness of concepts as a separate universe from the physical forms that represent them, a common example is the idea of a chair versus all the many things we could possibly sit on

"When has justice ever been as simple as a rulebook?" - Commander William T. Riker

Seeing Stephen Fry raging at Ann Widdecombe is one of life's joys.

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

Yes "Well what are you for!?"

There is an assumption here, that they are talking about the same God, there have been thousands of Gods, even God said in his first commandment "THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GOD BUT ME", So even God thinks there are other Gods. God could be following the wrong God, but only thinks he is following the right God, which his him. That's if you know which God we are talking about, because, like I say, there have been thousands of them.

"What's wrong with is that it isn't true, if course" Always a wonderful way to dismiss terrible framing of a question

and indeed I am an agnostic. I don't know what's not getting through, but whether or not something is good or evil doesn't tell me anything about whether it's true or not.In the wrong hands, anything can be abused. I don't care if Religion/Science only brings good moral outcomes, I care about what's true. Reality isn't subjective, a ball wouldn't fly up if you drop it.

"and they give it to children. its disgraceful.." classic!

1:49 She says "3000 years ago". So she says that massacre that Hitchens was talking doesn't matter because it was 3000 years ago. That is pretty funny, knowing the ten commandments also were made more than 3000 years ago.

@pianoman9421

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention that she's using "3000 years ago" as an excuse...when the religion is based on the cultural morays of a society from 3000 years ago. It's time to evolve.

Interesting point there. I hadn't thought of it that way myself. Thanks for a different point of view on the subject. I think it is one that I will use myself as I have argued that the rules given in the bible all come from the society at the time and are of human origin. Your point fits nicely into that.

These were the best takes

I love Stephen Fry and his great intellect!

Stephen Fry is my hero!

"bullied" what an extraordinary act of wisdom fry puts out here

The world would be a much better place If those who believe are allowed to believe and those who don’t are allowed to do so It would also be a better place if people understood truly the philosophical journey which caused law and order to be where it is in 2022 Along with reading the ancient books which underpin the major and minor religions It’s like everything in life, it’s mostly intended to be good but guilty of being affected by human nature.

She sounds exactly like Lady Kluck from Disney's Robin Hood. Check it out breh

@gamleskalle1

9 жыл бұрын

hahahaha

Slavery, rape, could have been inserted in the place of the two don't-forget-to-kiss my ass commandments. Besides there's two or three different ten commandments in the O.T.

I thank Almighty God for His law. Oh how I wished that I had kept them and honored Him my whole life. Thank you Almighty God for your grace and mercy. Thank you for your incredible love and forgiveness. Praise Almighty God.

@SNORKYMEDIA

2 жыл бұрын

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ann Widdecombe still doesn’t understand why she lost the debate, was utterly crushed by Hitchens and Fry. Amazing that she comes back for more! But she gets crushed again……

I love that Stephen is able to apologise so immediately and genuinely for the flaws in how he is engaging in the conversation. These might have been interesting interviews if viewed in their entirety. The clips will mostly appeal to those looking for arguments rather than genuine conversation. None of these people were ever going to change their views here but Fry is the singular example of his type.

@pizzaboy3946

2 жыл бұрын

He made one apology for his premature interruption but was otherwise unduly emotive and intransigent.

@___Zack___

2 жыл бұрын

@@pizzaboy3946 Twice, actually. And "unduly" intransigent? You have to be braindead to agree with pretty much anything she is saying, and her degree of disgraceful (and clearly chosen) ignorance is an affront to anyone who has enough intellignece to truly think for themselves and is trying to speak to her. Her words to his ears are borderline equivalent to spit on his face - his frustration is more than justified and his emotions unquestionably entitled.

I always thought the commandments were more of guides than actual laws that Church enforces to this day. I mean even the New Testament changes and adds onto those specific laws as mentioned in Christ's teachings.

@cameronlapworth2284

2 жыл бұрын

Your missing the key term commandments. You are right though in that if you keep reading it's followed by hundreds more.

Where's the whole video? I needs to watch, I gots to know.

"I'll get to the end of my sentence if it kills you."