Pure basketball discussion without the drama. We need more of this

@wenarcane

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@drewfleming5584

2 жыл бұрын

This is a fantastic conversation about basketball man.

@afuriousblackman

2 жыл бұрын

*Stephen A has left the chat*

@hitlerssnappingparodychann733

2 жыл бұрын

Well, Everybody in the NBA appreciates the game more than Stephenie Curry!😎😎😎

@hitlerssnappingparodychann733

2 жыл бұрын

@@afuriousblackman Stephanie Curry just left over his Trash Career for everyone to laugh at!!😎😎😎😎😎😎

Chris is telling the secret to his longevity and he knows most pros won't put the effort to achieve.

@allanv.7519

2 жыл бұрын

@Festy Haniya shut up

@Zer0Edits00

2 жыл бұрын

Chris Paul’s secret is the same as lebrons secret bro… over a million dollars spent a year on nutrition and proper rehabilitation of the body… except he doesn’t rely on athleticism like lebron so it’s easier to keep his body intact

@m_js5709

2 жыл бұрын

100% giving away the "secrets" doesn't mean anything unless guys put in the tape time & work. Alot of guys just like playing basketball at a high level & mastering skills or abilities. Only certain guys actually study it and master it strategically. That's a different level of mental energy & effort.

@SuperLio333

2 жыл бұрын

@@m_js5709 only certain can

@eezzzybucketz3855

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zer0Edits00 All athletes this day in age spend a good chunk of money on their bodies, especially elite ones. Moreso than that is what they have ticking upstairs! Their basketball minds in addition to remaining in great shape are what are keeping them among the best. A lot of players can physically still do it into their 30’s but not all have the IQ and chess mindset to control games night in and night out.

You know the way Chris Paul says “ but why doesn’t everybody else realize that.” As average human working being. I’m almost sure Chris Paul would be successful in anything he would have done if it wasn’t basketball. Detail oriented people

“A fan said something crazy to me in Utah” “Shocking” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Chris gone be an amazing coach one day if he chooses that route

@darealliljable

2 жыл бұрын

He may win more championships than as a player.

@T-Add

2 жыл бұрын

He's smart enough, but I don't know if he has the people skills to be a good coach.

@TheAlan501

2 жыл бұрын

@@T-Add have you heard of Pop? Yeah...

@danieldbdb

2 жыл бұрын

If he can motivate people he could be a great coach. But sometimes he got on the bad side of teamates for being too demanding as a player.

@danielsarmiento4834

2 жыл бұрын

Point guards make good coaches

The fact that CP3 was right about the rule and the ref was wrong just proves how bad the refereeing of the game is today.

@charl_lee

2 жыл бұрын

fr refs should get fined for instances like that

@drewfleming5584

2 жыл бұрын

NBA refs aren't perfect by any means but they are the best in sports. College hoops, NFL, Umpires, all atrocious. NBA refs are pretty consistent.

@allanv.7519

2 жыл бұрын

@@drewfleming5584 lmao 🧢

@iCantEditBro

2 жыл бұрын

Give me FIBA/Olympic refs please.

@SuperLio333

2 жыл бұрын

@@charl_lee they don’t pay them enough to do that

CP3 and Kobe would have been perfect for each other. I like the fun years we all got with the Clippers but man, CP teaming with Kobe is such a big ‘what if’ in NBA history. Two guys completely basketball obsessed.

@AB-nv7fk

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like at the NBA level, everyone is basketball obsessed. It's just different levels of obsession.

@PacketOfCereal

2 жыл бұрын

@@AB-nv7fk nah there are 100% guys in sports that are just so talented they make professional level but never are actually that fussed about the game. Just cos you’re an athlete doesn’t mean you ‘love your job’

@youngwolf024

2 жыл бұрын

@@PacketOfCereal deron Williams is a perfect example of this

@msinna6433

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngwolf024 Julius randle, Ben simmons

@kylihatfield2971

2 жыл бұрын

Would’ve got a chip, we’re seeing a mini version now with an older Chris and Devin who’s similar to Kobe(of course no where near as good)

"Jersey's untucked! Jersey's untucked! That's a delay of game!" I love CP3. He always plays the game inside the game.

@adelinesarkissian8161

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you like it, but it’s chickenshit basketball. In baseball, they call it bushleague.

@taye2427

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s cheap ish. Because dude will cry if it was the other way around.

@emmanuelmondesir1314

2 жыл бұрын

Okay and?

@davclutch4721

2 жыл бұрын

@@adelinesarkissian8161 to be fair, CP did that when it was crunch time n they were down like a point. It’s not like their cheating or anything, but they ARE competing for a championship

@gellebelle1

2 жыл бұрын

@@davclutch4721 Yep! And they won that game. (They had 1.1 sec to go in regulation. CP calling out the untucked jersey, Gallo knocking down the tech FT, and that Steven Adams to Schröder full-court pass, led to them tying up the game, then winning in OT!)

All great players “manipulate” the game.. they cater the game to their play style and from the outside looking in you’d call it “manipulating” but all the greats do it

@TheKendeHD

2 жыл бұрын

yep yall always wanna roast harden for doing it but all the greats do it

@DurealzForReal

2 жыл бұрын

to some extent yes but some greats are known for their game manipulation (lebron) and other greats can manipulate the game, but most of the time its because of their straight up talent (mj)

@andregulick3925

2 жыл бұрын

@John Smith that's the crazy part, he's nowhere near as physically gifted as those guys and it's incredible that he's able to score the way he does at his size, but his mental acumen makes up for all of that

@j9109

2 жыл бұрын

I'm agree bro

@Romeferlano

2 жыл бұрын

It’s fixed

I was just talking to someone from Phoenix who hates Chris Paul, says he's dirty and abuses refs to get calls. This video came in clutch to show him that CP3's competitive stamina and mindset is just different

@maciedixon3983

2 жыл бұрын

Who is this person. They are a suns fan and they hate Chris Paul. That’s stupid af

@CitizenoftheWorld1

2 жыл бұрын

@@maciedixon3983 Ikr? I'm from Detroit and would be thrilled to have a player like Chris Paul

@dion4670

2 жыл бұрын

@@CitizenoftheWorld1 ofc you do, everybody in detroit don't give a fck how their guy does it as long as he gets the job done. 😂

@CitizenoftheWorld1

2 жыл бұрын

@@dion4670 Lmao facts 🤣

@adelinesarkissian8161

2 жыл бұрын

That fan you talked to is absolutely right. He whines, complains, and bullies the refs to get the calls that no one else gets. Keep rooting for him, it just shows what a coward you are.

It's a beautiful thing to hear former players debate the game, and this applies to every area of life when experts debate respectfully. The listeners learn a lot. Please do more of these J. J.

Chris Paul and Lebron James are just savvy veterans which is becoming rarer in today's NBA.

@TheQC92

2 жыл бұрын

Lebron is savvy if the definition of savvy is not getting back on defense while you argue with the ref

@timsmotorcyclediary

2 жыл бұрын

Savvy as in both Chris and Lebron think the game at an elite level. 99% of players will just rely on their talent. Chris and Lebron see the entire court like pieces on a chess board. This includes the refs.

@4:00 is the little details that great coaches notice. My HS coach ran an out of bounds play. Depending on which side we take the ball out of the play is ram for a different person. Makes even more sense that my coach moved up to a D3 school who had never won more than 5 games. At one point they were 3rd in the country.

I feel like you can definitely use manipulation in a playmaking sense. Coming downhill, give a look at the corner to get the low man to hesitate for just a split second or he fully commits to the corner shooter, and then you dump it off to a cutter or your roll man. Something of that nature.

@riddickflowe

2 жыл бұрын

It’s the same as a crossover move just more mentally and strategically

@hitlerssnappingparodychann733

2 жыл бұрын

@@riddickflowe Stephanie Curry can’t even do a simple Crossover cuz he’s trash!!🗑🗑🗑🗑

@robmckrobmck5567

Жыл бұрын

That term manipulate in basketball reminds me of Larry Bird

Don’t hate the player, hate the game… or refs

“Learn the rules like a Pro, so you can break them like a Artist” - Pablo Picasso

There's an Australia rugby league player, Cameron Smith, whose career has been somewhat marred by similar accusations. He is considered one of our greatest ever (in that sport), and I don't recall him ever breaking a rule; I don't agree with everything he's done, Chris Paul has done, Bill Belichick has done, etc. but at the same time these are three absolute genius'/all time greats in their respective sports, so maybe there's something in hyper intelligent athletes being more prone to figuring out sneaky ways to win. Be thankful they're kicking or throwing balls around and not looking after anyone's retirement funds.

CP3 controls the Tempo of the game & sets guys up for success by putting them in their best spots to score. CP3 is tactical when he plays unlike Russ who is used to drawing double teams with his fading superhuman speed & jumping ability to get assist.

@andregulick3925

2 жыл бұрын

🎯

It's not manipulation if you know the rules and you use that knowledge to take advantage of those who don't bother to learn the rules as well. He knew the rules so much that he had to tell the ref an untucked Jersey was a tech, that's not his fault the Timberwolves didn't know or bother to learn about that

@drake7993

2 жыл бұрын

​@D Cam Yeah all these people offended by the word manipulation lol

@nish8399

Жыл бұрын

google is free. search up manipulation definition. this is what you get "handle or control (a tool, mechanism, information, etc.) in a skilful manner."

I love how Chris is trying to manipulate JJ into not saying he's manipulative

He does not manipulate the game. He understands the importance of film and he studies it. It's a chess game what's the best plays/actions for the team to succeed. He's just smarter than other players to understand the game more. You can tell why he's a leader in the team because he understands the game. He will be a great coach one day.

That’s not manipulative 😂 That’s strategy.

I’m from the UK and football (soccer) is my main sport but really starting to love basketball, so interesting to listen to CP talk about the ins & outs of the game

I appreciate this discussion and it's awesome to get an inside look into the depth of the mental game. And, it's not just that Paul watches every game, it's that he clearly is looking for and absorbing the finer details. That being said, I wouldn't call this manipulation so much as intense strategy. I think the chess analogy is a good one.

Manipulating as a word just have a negative connotation. CP3 is all about efficiency. He will do whatever gives him and his team the best outcome each possession. That's why you study the game and it's intricacies to get to the level of IQ CP3 has. So much of the game today is just straight up freak athleticism and it's so refreshing to see someone just nonchalantly dismantle team's defenses with IQ

This man is just very smart. I really really think he would make a great coach, but I just can't wait to hear him analyse a game. My gosh.

Manipulation most times has a negative connotation. Influence would have been a better way to explain it. If something can be managed a certain way, CP3 will use it to his advantage. You need to be a student of the game to be able to do that, and he clearly is one. Wonderful conversation.

I m in love with your podcasts man.....jj great work

Love when Chris and Jj talk… it’s so real and I learn so much

For me manipulating the game is doing things like no look passes, head/eyes fake, looking relaxed and accelerating all of a sudden, breaking ankles with off ball movements, knowing how to position your body to get fouled and just thinking and seeing 2 moves ahead. And most elite players do these things, especially great playmakers : Lebron, CP3, Bird, Magic, Harden, Doncic, Trae Young, Jokic, Curry, Rondo, Ja Morant … When these players are on the court, you can put any players around them and the offense will still look good and fluid, but as far as seeing 2 moves ahead, the 2 players that impress me the most are Lebron and Luka, a lot of times they don’t get the assist, but they made the pass/move that made it possible for their teammate to make the assist, watching Lebron and Doncic play is really like watching a chess match sometimes.

@gray_gogy

2 жыл бұрын

What you're talking about is skill and savvy. What JJ means by manipulate is the mental aspect and the know how. How CP3 uses certain matchups on the team, certain plays, weaknesses, calls, so on and so forth. Not individual skill as a player.

@jamesbunda806

2 жыл бұрын

@@gray_gogy strategy

Chris is an absolute mastermind. Unfortunate he still has no ring.

@silewis9396

2 жыл бұрын

The amount of trying he's done to get one will see him in the hall of fame and personally I'll find that comforting almost as much as it did seeing McGrady make it

The lob city clippers was my fav modern team so fun 2 watch!

I'm from lewisville, where cp3 is from. Grew up 2 mins down the road from him actually. And I'm a big Duke fan, jj was my favorite player when I was 10-14. So this is such a fascinating podcast episode for me.

Best interview 🔥

now THATS a real basketball conversation. so good

5:58 lmao JJ said it best

great stuff, but JJ misuses the word manipulate. CP3 is just a smart player who understands the game and makes great decisions.

I think JJ means "maneuvering" not "manipulating"

This studio/room is messing with my vibe man. But the content is sweet 👌🏽

Man this is great. Awesome convo, ring or no ring CP is a winner

Can we get a link to the full interview?

Chris was definitely getting hung up on and taking manipulate as a negative term. Doing an initial action, knowing full well what the response from the other party will be so that you can take advantage of the known response IS manipulation. If I'm gaurding you 1v1 and I take left step forward and angle myself like this \ I am manipulating you to go to your left (my right).

@andrewr439

2 жыл бұрын

Manipulating is a weird word. In your example You’re testing to see if you can get away with something. If the defense is ready and cuts off your initial move, what did you manipulate? Nothing. If they don’t react, you take advantage. In chess if you’re setting something up to see if the other player falls for it, did you manipulate them if they don’t take the bait? If they countered you, did you get manipulated?

@gndo9145

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewr439 no but you're still trying to manipulate the other person. Success doesn't disqualify an attempt. If you are intentionally taking an action, with the purpose of that action getting an assumed/expected response from your competition, then you are trying to manipulate them. Whether they do it or not is different.

I think Conditioning is the term they are looking for. He is conditioning the other teams to make decisions that hurt them. James Harden for example, manipulated the hand check rule with his style of play.

👏🏽 Chris Paul reminds me of this guy at my work who can do 3 peoples worth of work ~ nice interview

Savage point guard. And he's gonna be an even sicker coach if he chooses and I believe he will as much as he loves the game

Appreciate you for the podcast JJ, shout out to you Tommy. This man Chris Paul is a once in a lifetime talent, greatest point guard in the game and one of the best all round, take it in while you can everyone, Suns this is it, perfect harmony to watch when its right and thats almost every night. Showing Love from the UK London. Blessings

It’s not manipulation JJ, it’s intellectual control. I’ve been watching the nba since 1993, he’s the smartest player I’ve seen since that date. With Lebrun coming in 2nd

CP is looking for the best advantage on every single possession. He's better at it than everyone else. And he enjoys the chess match of outthinking everyone else. I love it. Dude is awesome.

CP3 made me fall in love with the game. He is pure basketball.

Did they change the thumbnail after game 7?

Bring the other one of the best BACKCOURTS in the NBA

Hometown player right there. Wish I would’ve gotten to see him play in highschool.

Well, in every sport if you could put your opponent out of his confort zone, is way easier to win. That could be manipulation, but is also strategy. In certain way, every player could use the knowledge of the game to win, is just part of every sport.

I understood 20% of what they were saying and enjoyed 100% of it

Subbed

Amazing content beats everything espn or any other sports channel could do and without vip or plus subscriptions JJ's going on becoming the steph curry of sports journalism.

The problem JJ is having is that he and CP3 have a different definition of manipulate. CP3 onset like the negative connotation that comes with the word manipulate but JJ is not trying to use the word that way

He'll become a great coach

Manipulate to me would be working around the rules to your benefit. What guys like Chris and Lebron do is being a great strategist and floor general. All the greats do that. You aren’t great if you are reactive and fail to prepare. These guys prepare and know the best ways to work with the rules for maximal success.

Chris sounds really meticulous about how he plays the game of basketball.

how does this affect Lebron’s legacy ?

@VinylUnboxings

2 жыл бұрын

Where does Kevin Lee fit into all of this?

This is Golden.. Thank You JJ..

When he called old mate for not having his shirt tucked in, delay of game, free throw 👏🏾👏🏾

This really puts the strategy of the NBA into perspective. Most players don't know matchups that well, they don't watch enough film. CP3 is literally just saying to watcht he film, it's not that hard. That's why the NFL is so different, only 16 games. You'll watch 5-6 games of film just of YOUR MAN for a week, strategizing. In the NBA, the games come n go so quick, there's very little strategy involved with the majority of the players.

This is so easy to watch and listen to

Wouldn't call it manipulating I would just say CP3 is smarter and knows the game more than others

Can you be a good point if you dont manipulate the game?

Big fan of the nba in general, cp3 is just a phenomenal PG but i cannot deny the fact that he flops

"We ain't at the zoo...I talk back" 💯

They’ve talked about more technical basketball schemes in this short clip than ESPN has discussed in the past 5yrs. ESPN has no problem discussing schemes w/ Football but Basketball they just discuss personalities and stats.

Having a legal advantage at all cost doesn’t equal manipulation. It makes you top tier at that thing you do.

Maybe instead of the word 'manipulate' because everyone tends to not have a good consensus of what that term means on the court - I feel like the right way to conceptualize what CP3 & LeBron do is "taking advantage of unwritten rules in their favour".

i think the issue is the negative connotation with the word ‘manipulative’

Strategize would be a better word for manipulate

Only the guys have that mastered the game and their craft are able to bend the game with their skills and strategic thinking

Listening to this, I can’t but think how he and Kobe would’ve been. Damn :(

I wish I knew…

Manipulate is the not best word to use but I understand what JJ is saying because Chris influences the game fairly. He skillfully controls the game in ways most players can't.

That is veteran speak and it comes from a high B-BALL I.Q and experience. C.P.3 is specialist surgeon 😷 when he is on the court..mad respect for his knowledge.🎯🎯💯💯👍

A better word than manipulate is influence.

I know CP3 has an amazing basketball IQ. I get it. But can we take a moment to appreciate what a great interviewer JJ has grown to become

To all the kids watching this, pay attention to the mindset of a professional. In anything you do; professional sports, Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer, etc…it’s your work ethic and individual drive that sets one apart from everyone else. In Hollywood they call it the “it” factor. Not everyone has this naturally, some develop it through struggle. Embrace the struggle and come out the other side refined.

A better word than manipulative is “methodical”

Yeah I got more respect for Paul, still go dubs!!

8:05 ya heard that Kyrie?? It's a FULL TIME job.

should have mentioned the time he told the ref about someone elses untucked shirt.

JJ I think a better word is “orchestrate” - not as frowned down upon and shows the mastery.

Tom Brady needs to be asked this question on here! Please

Fans opinion of Chris Paul before this interview: he’s cheating, he a flopper, he’s dirty! Fans opinion of Chris Paul after this interview: ah, what a competitor!

That’s why Tatum said that he hates CP3 as an opponent but would love him to be a teammate.

Chris don’t understand the fans don’t want to see that without us it’s know game

Manipulation isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just that the word is typically used to describe immoral or unfair manipulation, but manipulation isn't immoral or unfair by definition.

That’s not manipulation that is called strategizing!

CP3 is a basketball savant 💯

kinda weird to call it manipulation, when it`s just making the most optimal play in given scenario.

Manipulation isn't inherently a negative thing. We put a negative connotation the that word to often.

It’s called playing the meta (the meta game, the game within the game)

Should of ask him is take on when he would of been traded to lakers to join with Kobe !?

The word "manipulate" has two different meanings. 1. Control using skill and cleverness. 2. Control unscrupulously using deception or unfair tactics The conversation is switching between these two usages. This switching is diminishing the conversation.

Question: How great would the NBA be if all of its players, regardless of skill level, approached the game with such selfless devotion?