Still so surreal seeing the twin towers standing in old footage, it never ceases to throw me off. Good job on the video man, your channel is fantastic.

@phil6844

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like I barely knew anything about the twin towers before 9/11. I was just a kid and didn’t even move to the US until 3 or 4 years later yet I have the same reaction. They are impossible to miss when seeing the old New York skyline.

@the_road__warrior6185

3 жыл бұрын

I know right, it’s almost offsetting if one can understand, to see the towers in old footage. More of a mind F**k for me.

@TeardropSidemarker

3 жыл бұрын

I did have to do double take at 6:27 😐

@juanmanuelbonzano

2 жыл бұрын

I was barely over a year old when the towers fell. After I learned about 9/11 and the horrors of that day, I always looked for footage of New York pre 2001. Watching those videos with the towers on the background puts me at ease for a while. I still remember the first time I watched the intro for The Sopranos and saw the WTC on the rearview mirror...

“Money put ahead of good on track product” Sounds a lot like the new street circuits in Modern F1……..

@caleykruse9852

3 жыл бұрын

Baku is one of the best races on the calendar Are you high

@TripleAlfafa

2 жыл бұрын

@@caleykruse9852 He's referring to places like Sochi, Abu Dhabi and about a half dozen other interchangeable tilkedromes with the sterility of a cardio-vascular operating theater.

@crambo765

2 жыл бұрын

Tikle tracks are the worst. Each is pretty much the same, resulting in the same boring parade called a race. You could make F1 spec like Indy and the races on those tracks would still be a boring parade

It'll be interesting to see how F1 pulls off the planned race on the streets of Miami. About 30 years ago there was some talk about an Indycar race in the streets of Philadelphia. The circuit would have been around the art museum circle and Logan Square. It never really got past the talking stage. I personally like street courses.

@611_hornet5

3 жыл бұрын

I live in Philadelphia and I remember the newspaper articles and the talk about a street race around the art museum. I remember hearing there was talk of IndyCar or some sort of sports car race, and then absolutely nothing and everyone forgot about it.

@Evarakeus

3 жыл бұрын

Iirc only one actual patch of public road is part of Miami's planned layout, the rest being purpose-built track similar to Hanoi and Sochi. F1 doesn't really do many proper street circuits anymore, that's more FE's ballpark.

@joeb7975

3 жыл бұрын

the race isn't on the streets of Miami.....it's in the parking lot of Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, 15 miles from Miami....no public roads being used.

@AlonsoRules

3 жыл бұрын

It's not Miami, it's a suburb of Fort Lauderdale in a carpark.

@penskepc2374

3 жыл бұрын

@@Evarakeus its racing in a bubble

(GT4's New York street course intensifies) EDIT: Also around this time PM also pressured Sega to remove fake Marlboro ads from Super Monaco GP (arcade ver.) after a doctor found out about them. (Sega also ended up removing fake Foster's ads from the game, both replaced with ad for Flicky, an older Sega game.)

@the_road__warrior6185

3 жыл бұрын

Dude it would be dope if they ran the NY course from GT4.

@the_road__warrior6185

3 жыл бұрын

I’m a little disappointed there isn’t a NY street course on GranTurismo Sport 🙁

@michaelskoomamacher5652

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_road__warrior6185 the Times Square billboards were a licensing nightmare if it's done today, that's why it was blurred out in GT PSP.

@FMecha

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelskoomamacher5652 tbf, most of billboards in GTPSP are blurry anyway due to they converting PS2 era tracks to PSP's hardware.

As a native NYer, it’s painful to see every planned major racing in the area blow. My dad is a huge F1 fan and having a race just 20 minutes away was big. We had the proposed NASCAR track that fell. Politicians and residents were against it. A local rumor suggests that NASCAR pulled the plug on construction because they didn’t used mob-owned construction companies. The problem with Meadowlands was the environment. When I think of running in the NY area, I think of skyscrapers or downtown streets, not a parking lot that’s 30 minutes away from Manhattan, driving. There’s public transportation that goes to the Meadowlands but NYers aren’t willing to travel from Brooklyn or Queens to New Jersey on the subway then a bus. It’s a hassle to drive through the city. If the event was actual held in the five boroughs, then there would have been more interest because it’s easily accessible by public transportation. 1:51 when Larry Nuber asks the lady, she’s probably an accurate representation of casual fans. Sure, you could ask someone from here who Mario Andretti or Jeff Gordon is and they probably heard of them, but don’t exactly know what they actually do. Really a shame to see the CART race didn’t go through. The closest NASCAR race is Pocono Raceway, but why show up to one of the worst races on the schedule. The closest INDYCAR race used to be Pocono Raceway, shame that it’s not on the schedule. We got IMSA at the Glen and Lime Rock. We used to have the old SCCA Trans-Am races at Bridgehamptom (Long Island) back in the 70s. Now all we got is Formula E, which looks like it will stick around for a few years.

@TheJingles007

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't Watkins Glen or New Hampshire be closer to you than Pocono?

@junkyardblaze189

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJingles007 you would think so but as a long island nascar fan ive been to pocono several times and never once to the glen. I do plan on going to watkins glen in the future though. Dover and richmond are other tracks my family has driven to. Pocono is good racing you just need to watch from the infield atop an rv. The grandstands are lame. Dover is my favorite track. You can see the whole race from the stands and its some good racin to see. I feel like watkins glen would be like pocono, you only get to watch part of the race track. Still I want to go and see what it’s like, i’m always saying that there is a track in our state and we should hit it but it’s actually farther than pocono.

@cco53587

3 жыл бұрын

I'm in SI near where the ISC site was, the infrastructure around there was and still is pretty garbage (albeit with a new Goethals Bridge). I was always mixed about it. If it would have happened, it would have definitely provided an incentive to improve, but how much for only a few weekends a year? It's an Amazon facility now. The mob stuff is definitely an open secret around here and is rumored to be a big reason why a lot of projects fail.

@Atrail_Mckinley4786

3 жыл бұрын

On the plus side we have the FIA Formula E New York City E-Prix In Brooklyn. I went there last weekend. It was a good race. I live in the Bronx BTW

@Posirep

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJingles007 Pocono is in the northeast part of PA....Watkins Glen is in the midfle of nowhere New York. im from CT...it takes me about 3 hours to both New Hampshire and Pocono...5-6 hours to Watkins Glen...its a hike. New York is bigger than most people think.

Young Chip Gannasi just hits different

You should do a video about Bernie Ecclestone's attempts at doing an F1 race in NYC as well. It always got promised but never happened.

@AlonsoRules

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn't in NYC per se, it was the Jersey side of the Hudson with NYC in the background. Was an epic track too, like Macau. Unless you're talking about the one in Flushing Meadow park that was cancelled 3 years in a row in the early 80's.

@TripleAlfafa

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlonsoRules He was also trying to get a race going on Manhattan itself pretty much for his whole tenure as F1 supremo. He hoped that would be the thing that finally would break F1 into the American market, but as it turns out all he actually needed was a Netflix documentary series.

@FMecha

2 жыл бұрын

Also he's trying to do a Las Vegas GP ever since the parking lot GP fiasco - something that recently got brought up again.

Well it tells you how much of a decline in attendance when a rainy 39, 000 fans is the lowest on the circuit that year. There's a few spots on the calendar that would kill for 39,000 fans

NASCAR needs to take some notes if they want to race in Downtown Chicago

@ZontarDow

3 жыл бұрын

NASCAR only needs one word of advice on doing a street race in Chicago: "Don't"

@JSchaffer214

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZontarDow EXACTLY! Everyone seems to want NASCAR to do a street race but I think a street race in NASCAR has about a 95% chance of failing. I'm probably being generous by giving it a 5% chance. A street race in a southeastern city MIGHT work but even then I don't think it would succeed there either.

@ZontarDow

3 жыл бұрын

@@JSchaffer214 People like to cite Pinty's because it has two street races at the Toronto Indy and Grand Prix Troix Riviere, forgetting that Pinty's has a field of 18 to 24 cars depending on the race, and that neither race is one people go to for Pinty's specifically but instead for IndyCar in Toronto and the wider Troix Riviere Grand Prix weekend for Troix Riviere.

@jabber1990

3 жыл бұрын

eh, I think Chicago would be more interested than New York would

@ZontarDow

3 жыл бұрын

@@jabber1990 The proposed Chicago street course is terrible and the location unfit for racing.

The Meadowlands track reminds me of the current Formula E race near NYC. Lot's of fuzz about racing in the "Big Apple", but looking at it, you only see billboards, parts of a parking lot and some worn down docks. You can maybe catch a small glimpse of a skyscraper far in the distance.

@xSoccerxCorex

3 жыл бұрын

the formula e race is in brooklyn, so it actually IS in NYC. but also a sign of how massive NYC is.

I have lived in NYC my whole life. This was so heartbreaking when it did not happen. Thank you for making this video. I clearly remember this happening in 1992 and we were told it was the Marlboro sponsorship that lead to the race not happening. Thank you for providing deeper details about it

Dude, you are so good at making these videos. I can´t imagine the time and effort you put in. Great quality :)

3:56 one of the best Foyt dictionary quotes ever. Medlands

It’s ironic that at 1:59 the guy guesses that Tom Sneva was a golfer because Tom Sneva was/is an avid golfer and actually owns a golf course in Phoenix, AZ called the “500 Club”. I doubt that guy actually knew that though

I like IndyCar Meadowlands from 1984 to 1991 nearby Giants stadium East Rutherford New Jersey it was magical awesome

The Meadowlands area right next to the Giants stadium is where Xanadau (yes that was the name) now turned to American Dream semi-abandoned shopping mall is but when it first began construction there was talk of a F1/Indycar race being held in the mall on an indoor circuit. It would've been a cool site.

Kind of a shame that we don't even have any IndyCar races within a day's drive of the Northeast this year.

Excellent production as always and the seamless play on words @4:19 was so funny that I had to watch it several times. Class A editing! Also @7:41with a business deal like that, who needs enemies? CART is bound to get screwed. Typical NYC. What a treat to see Little Al and Rick Mears as they were 28 years ago.

Amazing video. I’m a resident of NYC, living on 72nd street in upper east side, Manhattan. I feel like a race in the city is definitely possible, it’ll just be a matter of having to get multiple series to work together and work with the Mayor Office. Their primary concern is money, and if they can bring in Millions for one weekend, that’ll open up their ears for sure. Downtown Manhattan may be difficult, but Roosevelt Island, Long Island City, Astoria, are all places that can maximize a street race with having the skyline right in view.

Man I love your work. Learn a lot here that with many "experts" who have TV live broadcasts all year. Congratulations and keep it going!

Fantastic documentation and storytelling. The footage, interviews, and especially the stock music did magic capturing the atmosphere of that time.

This is thorough and very well done. The layout kinda reminds me of the Minneapolis, Minnesota street course that SCCA Trans Am and USRRC (The precursor to the now precinct Grand-Am Series) raced on back in the mid-1990s. Thanks for posting!

There is a street course in Brooklyn NY (where I'm from) for formula e

Thanks for sharing! As a lifelong NJ resident (my hometown is 50 miles northwest of NYC), I found this video interesting, to say the least. Even though I'm a NASCAR fan first and foremost, I would gladly attend an IndyCar race in downtown Manhattan. I know that won't be likely, but I can dream, right?

Wow this is amazing. Still hurts so much knowing the towers are gone and not put back. Just not the same. I feel others have to feel the same way. I would’ve loved to see this

Seeing this track in Assetto Corsa would be awesome to drive on, knowing the circuit and race never happened. Just to see and feel how it would have been like if it happened. Seeing the detail and world trade center will be great and surreal.

I guess the same bureaucracy and rising costs did F-1's attempt at the Weehawken Grand Prix about 5 or 6 years ago.

Great video, had no idea about any of this!

Chip Ganassi in the streets Chip GaNASTY in the sheets

@raymond3803

3 жыл бұрын

I thought Chip was gay.

@codyC423

3 жыл бұрын

@@raymond3803 you're thinking of Tim Richmond. Sorry, I shouldn't have said that. You're thinking of Joey Logano

cart wanted to do downtown races in chicago, washington dc and philadelphia.none ever happened.

As a New Yorker and huge racing fan, I knew this event would unfortunately never happen. Just the streets would need complete reconstruction because of the wavy, up and down nature of the roads and no place to put grandstands. Plus, the people of NYC wouldn’t stand for the interruption in their lives.

@xSoccerxCorex

2 жыл бұрын

it's the same reason why a chicago street race that nascar wants will never happen. imagine trying to tell the people of chicago that you're shutting down lakeshore drive for a weekend in the summer for nascar? lol

Love your videos sir 👍👍👍

Great video on history of race organizing.

You do forget that a race was held in NYC in 1907. NYC to Paris.

The track is held at JFK International Airport like Edmonton airport and Saint Petersburg airport in Florida

This shows how huge NASCAR was in the 1990's. A New Yorker walking in Times Square said she only knew about Indy Car because she follows NASCAR and saw it in the sports section

@ZontarDow

3 жыл бұрын

At this time CART was still much larger then NASCAR

@codyC423

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZontarDow Not even a little bit. It was getting bigger around this time though.

@ZontarDow

3 жыл бұрын

@@codyC423 Yes NASCAR was following the universal trend in motorsports of experiencing rapid growth, it was a motorsports wide phenomenon from the 60s through to the Great Recession. IndyCar stands as an exception to this due to USAC screwing up in the 60s and 70s and the Split in the 90s killing it and allowing NASCAR to overtake Indy as America's largest motorsport.

2:45 Ah so nothing has changed 😂

The key to street races succeeding is the desire of the city to make it into a reality. Nashville is a buzz with excitement right now, the NY market would be a different story. A market of 5 million ppl where 30% would have interest is better than a market of ppl 40 million where 2% would. Sounds like that company those France ppl run should take a look in to.

The weird thing is the meadowlands track at the end was a funny unbanked oval/road course/ street race hybrid …… but it’s narrowness and lack off multiple groves hurt it … shame as apart from late 90s Rio roval indycar hasn’t really run at a half oval/ half road course hybrid track

Imagine if this race happened,it would have to change after 2001

Shit like this just makes me hate Tony George so much. He literally handed Nascar the top spot in North American motorsports, Cart was holding steady in National popularity and growing by leaps internationally, but because of the split instead of our American motorsports legacy being being beautiful super advanced rockets that went to battle to both the left and right and at 250mph its the "chase for the Cup" and competition cautions and now underglow at the all star race.

Malboro: *places ads* also Malboro: "dont' give us money"

That would’ve been so cool!

Thats really kind of pathetic to not know who Mario Andretti is in 1993

@xSoccerxCorex

3 жыл бұрын

lol, not if you aren't a racing fan nor a big sports fan.

@penskepc2374

3 жыл бұрын

@@xSoccerxCorex he was as famous as any celebrity or probably any royalty at that time, its hard to understate how well known he was in 70s 80s and 90s, easily the most famous driver in the world 10x over. The self implosion of IndyCar IndyCar makes this hard to see though as it damaged all American open wheel stars long term celebrity.

@MrJohansen

3 жыл бұрын

@@xSoccerxCorex that's like not knowing who Usain bolt is. It doesnt matter you dont follow the sport, hes just one of those people you know who they are and what they do.

The loop through Central Park makes the most sense... wouldn't disrupt street traffic. unbelievable they never considered it.

@eholanda01

2 жыл бұрын

A racecourse in the middle of Central Park? Can you imagine the noise they would make against it?

200,000 attendance at Long Beach? My god how things have fallen, the population of the metro is up 29% since those days.

@xSoccerxCorex

3 жыл бұрын

that's for the whole weekend of racing, so it's not fallen to fall off from those days.

A 200 lap street circuit race... That doesn't sound the most promising imo

I can't imagine the congestion coming from running an Indycar race on a 1.24 mile street circuit

How do you get these archived videos?????

@nascarmanHistory

3 жыл бұрын

I've got a habit of buying old VHS tapes so I put them to use in these videos, lol

@izzdin6228

3 жыл бұрын

@@nascarmanHistory money damn well spent, good job man.

I will be fascinated to see if NASCAR can pull off a street race in Chicago

@xSoccerxCorex

3 жыл бұрын

as someone who just moved to chicago, i highly doubt it.

this track is in old forza games

I still have a promotional poster for the NYC Grand Prix

All those anti-smoking billboards make me want to light up.

Lets see how Formula E does soon with their New York race

@60nascar

3 жыл бұрын

They're doing good this was the 4th year with the 5th next year

@rubyestes6804

3 жыл бұрын

The only issue I have with the formula e track is its in a stock yard, not exactly the most glamorous place for a circuit

Now do a video about NASCAR Staten Island

Looks like a distorted Adelaide street circuit

I really wish USA had a Monaco type race with tradition and prestige

@xSoccerxCorex

3 жыл бұрын

we do, it's long beach!

@ZontarDow

3 жыл бұрын

The Indianapolis 500 has been around for over a century, it's the longest running race in professional motorsports, and there's a reason F1's moving the Monaco Grand Prix to accommodate it rather then the other way around.

@81casperflip

3 жыл бұрын

I was talking about if there was a Formula 1 race in the USA with a tradition of more than 6 or 7 years lol

@eholanda01

2 жыл бұрын

It does: Long Beach!!

@81casperflip

2 жыл бұрын

I meant an F1 race in the US

I wonder if this race had happened and been successful until 2002 when the contract ran out if the 2001 terrorist attack would've happened on race day and not on 9/11

Nothing like CART's hybris.

Formula E: My power is unmatched!

I wonder how this event's complexity would've changed with 9/11 had the deal gone through. I mean the freakin' WTC was literally the centerpiece of the racetrack-- And with that being gone I'm doubtful that it really would have continued, not to mention the massive cleanup effort as a result of the collapse of the twin towers before the 2002 running. The separation of time between September 2001 & late May/early June of '02 wasn't a lot, I'm pretty sure ground zero was still a mess by the time the hypothetical date of the GP had come around. Who knows, I do think that before then the race would've been massive. Unfortunately we'll truly never know.

I'm glad they dropped the race and replaced it with Cleveland. That track layout looks like a debacle, nowhere to pass and slow as balls.

I love listening to the American sport complain about commercialism Also do you think anyone will eventually get a New York Grand Prix in the city. I remember F1 fell through a decade ago too

@ZontarDow

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly doubt anyone will want to race in New York City. The city isn't the prestigious place it was from the 80s to the late 00s, after Giuliani cleaned up the city businesses where hit hard with the September 11th attack, that and the Dot Com bubble bursting both saw the city enter a decline that Bloomberg wasn't able to reverse because he was no Giuliani, and then the Housing Bubble burst which only accelerated the decline, and for all Bloombergs failings de Blasio did an even worst job of reversing the decline. More businesses have been moving to New Jersey or as far afield as Arizona, and people who can afford to movie to New Jersey have been doing so at a faster and faster rate, and that was before the lockdowns began. It's a dying city, one people overlook because talking about California's decline is more interesting, and no one noticed Florida bumping it out of the 3rd largest state in the Union. If the New York Grand Prix had managed to happen in the 1990s it'd likely still be around if Tony Steward hadn't split the series, it wouldn't be if he had, but there's no realistic situation a major series would want the hassle of racing in New York City in its current state.

Pre-harassment allegations Charlie Rose! Lol

I also wonder what will happen in the future with Formula E. That series races in city centers all the time.

Could of would of should of

Cleveland put on a better show anyways, so it ended up being a win.

Wasnt Mears already retired?

@raymond3803

3 жыл бұрын

NO! He still works today as an IRL spotter. What does a clam know about Indy racing anyway? Especially a clam up posting on YT in the middle of the night? A true clam fan would not concern herself with the past. But rather be camping in Rossburg, Ohio today *(THAT'S RIGHT, 07/17/21)* for the richest race in Sprint Car History. Two *(As in 2)* races that both pay $175,000 to win today.

@FOH3663

3 жыл бұрын

Mears retired at the Penske Christmas party Dec of '92. So, during the Charley Rose interview, he hadn't announced it yet.

2:45 and you have the problem with racing the last 20+ years.

Long story short, citizens of NYC are too liberal to like auto racing

@raymond3803

3 жыл бұрын

Your toupee couldn't look more unnatural ................ If it had a chin strap, Chucky.

what's the WTC up to these days, you never hear about it anymore

1st

What about the failed Donald Trump effort to have a two-mile trioval and those skyscrapers on Staten Island?

Do you guys not realize that street courses in america are always a joke and just a disaster?

@xSoccerxCorex

2 жыл бұрын

it also gets people who wouldn't go to a race track close to racing. it's all about opening themselves to a bigger audience

@jtp2007

2 жыл бұрын

That is not true at all.

@eholanda01

2 жыл бұрын

Long Beach is not.