Chinese Swords - Jian - What you should know
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Tips and important things on Chinese swords which you should know if you want to learn it, how to pick a good one, what is a good sword, etc,.
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You are the Chinese Skallagrim ! 👍 You are a treasure to those wanting to learn about swords and such. You are very interesting. 😀😀😀
This is a very old vid I made, but ya, guards are supposed to be sturdy for sure, and so is the tang and handle. There are TONS of variations... you can't even count them all! But the main point is, can your skills use the sword's design? or are you still looking for a sword to fit your skills? That is a big question.
Very interesting video, thank you, good work!
Thank you, i will try. and they are really good for being so old.
LOL I said the exact same thing at 6:58...Great job explaining the different types of jian someone can buy.
Nice, I think you can sharpen it up then. See my recent latest video on the han jian sharpening method and you can use that to sharpen your swords up and so they can cut paper and stuff!
thanks for the sword intro!
Fantastic ..an Very informative
nice! i have the second and third one.
thanks!
@jinlo21 Thanks~ I used a Sony HDR-CX100 for this video, I got a Sony Fx-1 but it's too heavy duty for these and so we are just testing the blue screen to see if this small cam works. Turns out it does~ haha!
I see your point as the handguard is made of brass I assume which is pretty heavy unless it is cast iron. What sword manufacture would you recommend for starting training with a jian? Btw great info subscribed and look foward to more great videos.
I really liked sword at 05:50, is it possible to find them somewhere for webshopping?
:) Your an awesome youtuber
@Chiinnature
9 жыл бұрын
Tanishq Pradhan thank you! watch our newer vids!
For training, well, I recommend not a "brand" but really have to FIND a good sword for you instead. A lot of the dragonwell stuff is okay if not put to cutting and abuse. They are great for practice and durable if you know how to upkeep them well. A lot of the good ones cost about $100 range and they are way better than using a plastic sword for sure.
Hello from Argentina! By the month of September i'll be travelling to Beijing, Hong kong Guangzhou and Hong Kong, where do you recommend me to get a serious jian, like the 2 last ones of the video?(and of course, som other weapons;D) xiexie!
Stainless steel swords are made for beginners for just doing forms, they are not meant to be use for cutting or anything, usually they come blunt and are ONLY meant for doing forms, if you chop stuff with it, I guarantee it will break or wrecked in no time.
Would you recommend a high grade abs plastic for training as well? I know there is usually weight issues but I usually get a dummy blade before I invest in a historically accurate replication.
AWESOME
The heavy duty Jian there, looks like it has a wavy pattern on the blade. It looks like clay based heat differential treatment. That sword might also be meant for cutting demonstration.
Mine aren't the sharpest, but ya, it murdered the cans and the blades are still good. so far, i am very impressed. and thank you for this video and advice!
Hi! It might be a good idea for you to make some reviews about one sword versus another... :) like what is the better sword (by your opinion) the dan dao vs the jian. It is just a suggestion ;D let me know
where did you get the second to last sword? its beautiful i really like that one.
Ya i thought so. haha i would get the Battle Gim probably. i think i saw it on ebay for way cheaper than Cold Steel.
for practice swords, do you recommend AISI 1050 carbon steel or Damascus steel ?
What is the measures of a Jian sword that is meant to be used for Wushu (Kung Fu)?
local stores.. I can't find them online, haha
Damascus can be any steel type as far as i know 1055 is very tough steel, suitable for long swords
Great, i have been searching for a blunt jiàn but with good balance and weight that corresponds to a real sword, I have a good sharp sword that i am very pleased with but i don't want to practice with that especially not when i do applications. I do have a good wooden sword (yes there are good wooden swords, raven studio makes some in the us for instance), but i'd like a blunt metal sword for daily practice that has a relly nice weight and balance for form and some simple application and drill practice. Can you recommend any such sword?
@andrebalian
5 жыл бұрын
www.amazon.com/CAS-Hanwei-PC2008B-BRK-Practical-Tai/dp/B001GW66LS
which sword do you suggest me for Wushu?
the 2 handed version has a riccasso. i don't think in china they have riccasso but it is still awesome
er.. well stainless crap are about $30 each, see the reason why beginners prefer these stainless stuff? Yeah I got the Cold Steel Gim and the other 2 as well, but honestly I like the damascus blade more than the plain blade because it feels more like a piece of art to me, hahaha! I actually starting to like han jian style more now, hope CS will make a good han jian soon!
I'm a big believer that if you are truly a Kung Fu practitioner you should practice with live real swords to feel what a swords really feels like or you are just fooling yourself. Not only that but if you practice with fake stuff and then you get a real sword you will feel awkward.
do you have videos on proper sword care?
Hey Mak Jo Si, Is it a good idea that I start training with any of the Cold Steel Gims, or should I choose a different alternative?
@Chiinnature
9 жыл бұрын
Mike Lee CS Gims are all sharp but they are good if you don't mind. I have all 3 and the best one to start with is the most basic GIM model, because the folded steel ones are too delicate for first sword. Monosteel is the way to go for a practice or even beater sword.
@giantsquid23
9 жыл бұрын
***** Kult of Athena is not a manufacturer, they are just a seller of other production swords
@bmxriderforlife1234
8 жыл бұрын
+Silhouette kult of athena sells all of cold steels swords as well fyi
6:57 That's what I was thinking. =D
Not really if you ask me. The plastic sword don't give you the feel of a sword even it is accurately made, you need to touch some metal to know how a sword feels like.
Yes, search up sword maintenance and you see my video
I like Chinese Sword
How long is the blade should be?
interesting
5 to 6 pouns!? thats around 2-3 kilos, thats a lot of a one hand sword, even for a two hand sword. the medieval sword weights around 1 kilo, 1,3 kilos for a one hand sword and 1,4-2 kilos for a long swords.
@LeriObba
9 жыл бұрын
nachoolo That's cause he doesn't know what he's talking about at all.
@xiaodai125
8 жыл бұрын
i guess that mostly count with the sheath.
@slenpaiwashere3599
7 жыл бұрын
4 kilos is for Montante or Zweihander not long swords a Montante or Zweihander can be up to 5 kilos and 7 feet long
@nachoolo
7 жыл бұрын
SlenpaiwasHere No, a Montante normally weights 2 to 3 kilos. Unless is a 2 meters behemont, neather the Montante nor the Zweihander would reacht 4 kilos.
@kanekikirigaya3346
6 жыл бұрын
+nachoolo funny my name is monteko lol.
not really, it's just cosmetic stuff they put on the blade, it's not for cutting for sure. It's not made for it. But then, it can cut if you want--- after sharpening of course, haha
aww that sucks. haha do you recommend any stores online that sell good Chinese swords?
My name is jian and im dominican
I got mine for a good deal, but really, AVOID ebay, and amazon private dealers. The chances of getting a sword second sold as first is very big nowadays. So order from a trusted vendor only. If you like I can refer you to one that sell for cheap but guarantee genuine CS first and not second. PM me.
Can I use my waster
well I always recommend CS, haha
one more thing ! Jian shu is not called sword btw it's called Knife for your information and it's purpose is to be little flixie in order prevent braking easily and also they don't use the single jian to slice into half like the japanese sword ! Jian are more likely used to cut the tendon and of wrist and reach with it's flexibility to smaller part of human body like eye, adam apple, heart . you need to study more before you judge other styles. every style is unique . God bless you ;)
Can you recommend a particular dealer for inexpensive jian's? Please inbox me.
@mikelee7798
8 жыл бұрын
Hanwei and Kris Cutlery
What the best Jian for Taiji Sword Forms?
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
for taichi, you can basically use any sword depending what you are training for. Personally, a han jian works well for me, but a Cold Steel Jade Lion is also very classy and good feeling in the hand too.
What website can I visit to buy the heavy duty swords?
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
Wle.com sells that
fun
@Wushhuismylife ummm DAO is knife not jian. Jian Shu means sword technique or skill
swords are dangerous, but cool
--Ive heard it referred to as a Yue fae Dao--but as with many things concerning chinese names and history it is difficult to trust due to the many misunderstandings and translations (and nobody Ive talked to has heard of it).....Also I have a question concerning "Dao" being used frequently for sword, has this any relation or connection to the commonly understood "dao" or are they different characters and sounds entirely?
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
Jakk Lyman Not really, Chinese is Chinese. Dao is mandarin for saber or single edge blade. Cantonese is DOE. It just means a knife.
@jakklyman7644
10 жыл бұрын
So how would you know Dao for sword from Dao/Tao for Daoism?--Other than context (Im assuming the chinese characters are different, but the sounds and english translations seem the same)
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
Jakk Lyman In Cantonese, DOE for knife and DOE (low tone) for Taoism. Mandarin? The word for knife, DAO sounds like DA-OW, and the word for Taoism, Dao, sounds like DA-R, sound lower. So by knowing the up and down soundings at the end, you can tell right away, and it's quite obvious too. Like SHIT and SHEET, LOL!!! Yes, the sound is similar but wording is completely different. In Mandarin there are 4 sounds to a word. Cantonese have 14 sounds, and that is why I always tell people to skip Mandarin and learn Cantonese. That fuckin language is lame. Mandarin can't even work properly with Chinese ancient literature like poems, because the dialect is a slave dialect from the Manchurian to WASH OUT our Chinese language! fuck them....
@jakklyman7644
10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that info, I really want to learn chinese (Cantonese), but was told to learn Mandarin (though I always had this feeling or picked up the idea somewhere that Mandarin was culturally invasive)--you are the first to provide me with some useful knowledge on that. Ive been essentially a wanderer since I was 12, self educated outside compulsory school--I dont watch TV--the point is, the things I study I must find on my own, sometimes instruction is really helpful--being left to discover everything on my own can create appalling gaps in my knowledge. I just began teaching myself Mandarin (from youtube tutorials) but it looks now like I need to find a good source to learn Cantonese---everybody has always tried to dissuade me from it, Im glad I have a good reason to learn it)...especially because a part of the reason Id like to learn (and then read and write) is to read Chinese literature. What exactly is or was the Manchurian--Ill be googling it but Id like to understand from your perspective. Also, if one speaks Cantonese, just how different is Mandarin, do the have close roots or are they as different as a romance language from a germanic one? Do you speak both? Sorry for so many questions, but Ive been isolating myself working land and taking care of animals--not speaking much with people, let alone someone who could answer these questions. thank you!
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
Jakk Lyman I am a speaker of both, but Cantonese is my native, and Mandarin is so-so kinda level. I once lived in China (Beijing and Xian) for a while for summer camp and survived! The main thing is, if you know how to READ Chinese, you can understand and communicate with people who speak Cantonese/Mandarin by writing, but not by speaking. Speaking is totally different, and writing is the same kind of characters... so we can talk on forums and stuff online with no problems, just that they have some weird China-slangs and swearing that you don't even understand without being in their social circles... Learn Cantonese is keeping the dignity of a real Chinese! LOL! Manchurians took over China and fuck the real Chinese down south, and they so wanted to wash out the Chinese culture and make it their own. Even the government today is very corrupted and so want to wash out the Chinese stuff too. Weird trend, and I am not going to China anytime in my life! hate that fucking place, it's so damn dirty and corrupted!
Historically, "剑术" were somewhat more robust, not always the elegant gentleman's duelling styles. Some older style 剑 would likely have been able to remove a limb. Gripping over the guard aids point control for thrusts, but could hurt your finger in a fuller cut; both work, but 武术's ignores some of these details. Modern-day 武术 is becoming less like combat and more like what you called it, an art form that focuses on beauty and spirit. That's fine, but like you said, there are other styles. (2/2)
hahaha.. old = good, that is one illusion. Many modern sword is BETTER than old stuff because the metal work nowadays is better than in the ancient time.. but then, you have to pay a fortune for good swords. Good modern swords are about $400 and up. nothing much that goes under that. (USD)
Traditional Chinese Sword League bout What do you think about this?
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
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@ajkungfupokemon
10 жыл бұрын
excuse me ?
@mikelee7798
8 жыл бұрын
They're all about real Chinese swordsmanship.
I notice hat none of these swords have a tassel. Isn't that kind of unusual for a Chinese sword?
@waymanw69
5 жыл бұрын
Tassel are more for decorative application. They can offer a counter weight to a heavier forward blade.
are you really accurate at what youre saying?
have you ever used the miao dao sword???
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
yes, and?
@Mrjohnhicks1
10 жыл бұрын
ok just asking i didn't see a video lol
He doesn’t really tell you the difference except quality and price... Well ok, how about some names?
Stainless steel swords are essentially garbage, stainless is O.K. for a short knife, but thats it (for anybody that cares-dont buy stainless swords). I have been looking for a type of chinese sabor that has a handle that is as long or close to that of the blade, do you know what this is called-or any info about it?
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
Jakk Lyman What you described should be a horse cutter blade, 斬馬刀 like this one in the video : Tin Yat Cold Frost Horse Cutter Blade 天一凌霜斬馬刀 (Pu Dao)
@jakklyman7644
10 жыл бұрын
yes, that is it! That is exactly what Ive been looking for! Do you know where I can find one?
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
Jakk Lyman Online? no idea for now.. but you can find those by chance... sometime cheapos are sold on amazon too, labelled as "war sword" or something
@jakklyman7644
10 жыл бұрын
I just found an inexpensive high carbon Pudao--I currently have a beautiful (though not showy) Jian on the way---"battle ready" 1095 high carbon with folded Damascus steel encasing the high carbon. Im going to use that to carefully learn sword play....but I think, in the end, my heart is with the Pudao. Im sure it would all be easier if i had a good teacher in my area....but there are so many good tutorials, Ive got the time and the patience.
@Chiinnature
10 жыл бұрын
Jakk Lyman Um... 1095 AND inexpensive? Mind to share a link? seems not so legit. Anything battle ready or 1095, sharpened, should be around the $300 and up price range. Anything below that is mostly a scam or a lemon from China's Long Chuan's crap forge.
Your wushu is very impressive, and yes, swords are kind of a pointless weapon nowaday. However 刀 and 剑 is can both mean sword or knife; 剑 has more of a martial meaning though, so it's still accurate. Some practice with swords not for artistry or exhibition, but to touch the physicality of ancient warriors. For that, we need swords that are close to the originals in dimension. Sadly, following the Cultural Revolution, a lot of gongfu was lost, a lot was reduced to exercise or exhibitionism. (1/2)
Cool, $20 for 2 swords? What the heck is going on in this world, you got such good luck or they are actually junk? Better try them out by smacking some cans and see if the edge will chip, if they do, they are not genuine. Real swords that are hardened will not chip or nick when hit a steel can at 90 degree, it cuts into it. I tried with mine (which are sharpened).
I just picked up 2 old real ones from a farmers market for 20 bucks. i love them
I got Cold Steel Gim for $250 and it's the lowest price you can get for a high quality sword :)
how about you hold the best sword of ur choice and hold my M16 and see if ur real sharp sword with correct handling method as you claim could make it more half step towards me !! you talk like i'm gonna take that real sword and fight with it !!! we practice Jian shu to appreciate the art form and spirit of it so it doesn't matter if how ur finger are placed around the handle !!! i was in Wudang temple and they told us to have our finger around the handle coz we can control the tip of the blade.
Stainless steel swords? Are they even durable? o-o
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