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Every part of this world has something unique and wondrous. And its a shame that we don't look at each other the way we do pieces of art---precious.

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

A very deep and introspective perspective

@Polit_Burro

3 күн бұрын

We'd all end up on display in the British Museum of Plundred Art.

@eugenebatrack9128

Күн бұрын

Well said!

I, at one time spent a lot of time around 18th century Chinese porcelain, i wish i would have known this story then. I only could appreciate it for being OLD.

I need more intriguing and scholarly content like this in my life. Something about its gentle intellect is very soothing to follow. ☺️🤓

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

Our pleasure , leave a comment for the specific topic content.

@jclark2752

8 күн бұрын

@@KamadoGrill how about this: The reason nobody bothered to upgrade the mountain pass to allow for carts and oxen, or similar, is beyond me! If the path comprises a key section of a major trade route, relying on Literal Man-power Alone to complete the transit seems needless when you consider the Bulk being moved. Something more efficient and reliable could Certainly have been done!

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

​@@jclark2752 Like this, Covers many (geography, economic , technology, political reason...).

@sweesboey7177

7 күн бұрын

@@jclark2752 Actually you raised such an interesting point. I think your starting assumption was that, in the past, Chinese society was similar to the West of the 19th century, in that amenities which assisted trade and commerce would have been considered to be public goods. Therefore, it made a lot of commercial sense to upgrade the mountain passes. However, traditional Chinese society was not concerned with commerce. The ruling elites denigrated trade and commerce, seeing them as necessary evils, which had to be tolerated to keep society functioning, but to be kept within very strict controls. There was no desire to expand commerce, either within the realm or with foreign countries. The paths and roads around Jingdezhen were actually kept in a far better state of repair than most other places, but towards the north and the imperial capital to which the best products were sent. It was indifferent to the court whether the roads southwards to, first, the factories in Canton and later the treaty ports, could be well traversed. The other interesting point is that bulk commercial traffic was always of necessities - rice, tea, silk, salt and so on. The government thus spent a lot of money on the upkeep of canals and dikes, to ensure that adequate staples flowed by water using large transport barges on a large enough basis to keep cities and towns fed and clothed. Porcelains were a luxury; the roads leading to even an industrial cities like Jingdezhen were therefore not important to the ruling Confucian elite. Such roads would have been locally built and repaired, using locally raised funds, whether through specific taxes by the local magistrate, or exactions on merchants and peasants. And, contrary to general belief about the absolute nature of government in imperial China, often these exactions were resisted, forcing the magistrate to negotiate and compromise. Lastly, even up until the first half of the 20th century, manpower was extremely cheap and plentiful, and if manpower could keep the required volume of goods flowing, there was no need to expend money to upgrade the roads and do away with using large amounts of manpower. Of course, today the situation is different, and there are good communication networks throughout China which connect even relatively obscure towns and cities.

Thank you BBC for a great documentary.

i just love the Chinese blue and whites remember my grandmother having a beautiful plate 🥰

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

That's lovely! Chinese blue and white porcelain has a timeless elegance that resonates with many people. Your grandmother had a wonderful piece.

Thank you for posting this. I saw it when first broadcast and it's the best documentary on the manufacture and transport of Chinese porcelain i've encountered.

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

glad you like it

I found this doc extremely educational. Thank you. I was totally unaware of the dramatic life of the blue and white porcelain.

Great documentary! Thanks for uploading it !

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

We have porcelain ginger jars dating back from the late Ming and Qing dynasties, here in the Philippine Cordillera we use it to ferment rice wine, so priced in the past till now that a wine so sweet and strong we favor. I have one small jar dating back in around 1850s and still I use it to this day. But this documentary did show the beauty and complexity of a hand crafted porcelains dating back from around the song dynasty up to the present, the trade and conflict that brought with it.

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

That's fascinating! It's wonderful to hear about your family's tradition of using porcelain ginger jars for fermenting rice wine. Porcelain ginger jars originated in China, and their use in the Philippine Cordillera for rice wine fermentation highlights a beautiful blend of cultural influences. It speaks to the historical trade routes and cultural exchange between China and the Philippines.

wonderful documentary, unusual for its depth and breadth, a pleasure to watch

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

thanks for watching

The documentary is going back in history to show us how it was done centuries ago. It surely is not being done the same way nowadays.

Have coveted a piece of Song dynasty porcelain for years. Loved it after watching a programme about it

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

That sounds like a wonderful experience! Song dynasty porcelain （especially made in Guan ware, also known as Official ware）is truly exquisite, and it's no wonder you've been captivated by it for years. Here( intl.dpm.org.cn/searchs/keywords/song ) is the entrance to the Song Dynasty collection of the official Palace Museum of China. You can see many fascinating Song Dynasty porcelains on it.

This Documentary is very well presented, looking forward to more of the same. Thank you so much 👍

Assembly line production was invented in China more than a thousand years ago. Let that sink in.

@KamadoGrill

6 күн бұрын

The concept we typically associate with assembly lines - a continuous moving line with standardized parts and specialized workers - is generally credited to Ransom E. Olds in the early 1900s for his automobile factory. This system revolutionized mass production.

at least i got another piece of knowledge, priceless it is. Thank you BBC.

@KamadoGrill

2 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thoroughly Enjoyed this!! Thank you!!

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

thanks for watching

Great documentary, thanks

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

43 million pounds for a pot. The world is crazy.

@avicennitegh1377

3 күн бұрын

These people depend on it lol

I thought this would be boring. Boy was I wrong.

So beautiful. I cherish my porcelain.

@KamadoGrill

4 күн бұрын

That was really good, thank you for uploading 🙂

@KamadoGrill

4 күн бұрын

thanks for watching

Brilliant documentary ... Lars please do more x mimi

I notice little pieces of his hammer flew off as he closed the bid. Is that common, or just when a high price is reached?

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

You noticed a very interesting detail.

Thank you for sharing such a wonderful documentary!! The research is thorough and the presentation is great!! Many thanks to the presenter. I admire his endurance through the hard work and compassion for the Chinese labours who did not leave a trace of their lives except the images in the art works!!

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Very interesting !

It surprises me how much of China is still so rural, considering the history of the country.

@KamadoGrill

6 күн бұрын

You're right, it can be surprising to see how much rural area remains in China despite its economic growth and reputation as a manufacturing powerhouse.

@somewhereupthere785

6 күн бұрын

@@KamadoGrill and the time. Thousands of years or distinct civilizations.

This has been a great success

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

thanks

Thanks so much for this very interesting, hope there's more to come,,from dublin Ireland 🇮🇪

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

Dublin was always a special place for The Cranberries, I love Dolores so much

No one said OVERCAPACITY then ?😂❤

One must admire the abosolute amoral stance BBC took in making this piece.

@98Zai

4 күн бұрын

That auction at the end, 42 million pounds in the early 2000's for an ugly vase. That vase symbolizes the journey documented here, where people wore out their bodies just to capture the fancy of some rich people long ago. Which is more amoral, the capitalists that paid but pennies to the poor souls who dragged these silly plates and knicknacks over a literal mountain - or the people around them who thought their lives wasn't worth anything more? Remember, the Europeans didn't know their toil, only the Chinese themselves. Now compare this to mines in Africa today, and look at your electronics. Are you someone who can point at anything and claim a higher moral standing?

@LUIS-ox1bv

2 күн бұрын

​@@98ZaiYour moralizing, is utterly boring znd yawn inducing. Pity those who have to exist with you.

Persian Culture has gifted the world with “Persian Carpet”,,, and Chinese Culture; “Porcelain”!!👏👏🌷🌷💝💝🥰🥰

@KamadoGrill

4 күн бұрын

“Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time” is one of my favourite game. Love Persian Culture so much.

The Bainbridge family must have been quite delighted with the auction yield of £ 43 Million ( $ 55.5 Million ). I would have been quite flummoxed to realise I'd returned home often from the pub late at night, only to shake the rain off my umbrella and chuck it forcefully - point down - into this 'pot', pretending I was spearing a rat. ¡ Mein Gott !

I thoroughly enjoyed this Fascinating story from start to finish- I was a little surprized you picked a type of Vase that i think looks like it came from the dollar store🤣Beauty is in the eyes of beholder right!

@KamadoGrill

4 күн бұрын

glad you like it

What was Britain trading for the porcelain?

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

Silver, Wool, Textiles and others.

@yomismosoyelregalo2266

6 күн бұрын

After 1842 they mostly traded opium. The British army made sure they were willing to accept it.

@roberttai646

5 күн бұрын

@@KamadoGrill Opium.

@KamadoGrill

5 күн бұрын

@@roberttai646 The British opium trade with China started in the 18th century, and became a major point of contention in the 19th century's Opium Wars.

@santander6317

Күн бұрын

Opiumm

You could compare this to the people buying electric cars with zero knowledge or interest in where and how the lithium is mined.

@KamadoGrill

5 күн бұрын

So let's get straight to the content of kamado grill?

I noticed that the time line stopped before 1842. I wonder why that is?

@KamadoGrill

6 күн бұрын

This documentary focuses on a specific period in the chinese porcelain history, However, it's important to note that Chinese porcelain has a much longer and richer history that extends far beyond the 1842 timeline

( : My Mom would have liked the IRIS one, and my Grandmother would have really liked the SUNFLOWER one : )

@KamadoGrill

2 күн бұрын

good taste

And I thought the spice trade was insane...then the silk trade...then the tea trade...it just goes on and one. I suppose if single tulip bulbs used to be worth millions in The Netherlands and in the 1980s Tokyo real estate was valued as much as the Continental US, then anything goes when market commodity traders get high.

👍👏

Kaolin. A soft silicate mineral.

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

Kaolin is the most famous silicate mineral, It is the important material of the porcelain.

✋✋ Philippines

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

ALSO GOOD : )

❤procelin then, ev now🎉 bravo china❤

Explore Golgumbaz Deccan india 🇮🇳

I find it harder and harder every day to live up to my blue China

This documentary is at least 20 years old. China is so much more modern and advanced now

Lets have - some interesting and beautiful comments - then. One can certainly - learn - from them. Fare thee well - on life's journey

Every nation nees a central gov special metaa oft fiubd in the reguons they goveen that wil cqlm wars ans inxrease peqce .

@13:33 Chinese potters did not discover porcelain in 10th century. They were taught by South Indian traders from Tamilnadu, India who had a colony in South China. Traders from Pallava dynasty taught Chinese about high end pottery making and offourse the Chinese rapidly advanced the productivity. History was distorted by its writers.

@KamadoGrill

6 күн бұрын

It's true that history can be biased, but in this case, the evidence points to China being the birthplace of porcelain.

@trekon2023

4 күн бұрын

You're confusing porcelain with possibly some generic pottery skills that no one country has been attributed to as having started. Kerlain only comes from that one mountain in China in all the world. Today's replicas like feldspar are of a different composition.

@flyinghills5245

3 күн бұрын

@@trekon2023 @KamadoGrill When you repeat one story a million times over a long time period, you have no choice other than to believe the story. Please research on the Chinese and Pallava trade between 8th and 12th centuries. I am sure this will open a new perspective on historical evidence. Also, I am not saying this to tarnish your documentary in bbc. I have no agenda at all. Just reminding, there are facts beyond your evidence too.

a lot of inaccuracies, but i guess entertaining for the uneducated masses.

@michael1345

8 күн бұрын

A lot of white washing as well. After impoverishing themselves the English found another currency to buy porcelain, opium.

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching. Our honor to have Expert level audience!

@Hannari-xt6nr

8 күн бұрын

@@KamadoGrill You didn't make this program so i guess this doesn't affect you. It is entertaining, like Jurassic park but we kn ow Jurassic park is not accurate right.

@KamadoGrill

8 күн бұрын

​@@Hannari-xt6nr We are also experts in certain fields. I totally agree with what you said. As the saying goes, "every industry is like a mountain between two worlds" But on the other hand, We still hope you can share your views.

I couldn't care less about this porcelain crap....is something i might have said brfore watching this. Never again. Never again.

"...in Europe you would have only seen stone-wares and earthen-wares, ...rough pots"...utter BBC smucky codswallop (should be : "In Northern Europe... "

@KamadoGrill

4 күн бұрын

A significant development in European ceramics was the introduction of tin-glazed earthenware in the 13th century. This technique, also known as majolica, originated in the Islamic world and was adopted by Italian potters. Majolica wares were known for their vibrant colors and decorative motifs.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin-glazed_pottery

The English "artist " is making a mockery of the craft. No talent.

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

Very unique point of view

STOP CHINESE AGGRESSION!!!

Booooooo loUSY video about buying trends NOT PORCELAIN. bOOOOOOO

@KamadoGrill

5 күн бұрын

thanks for watching

love the rubbish commentary. It was pretty normal for people to die at 40 years old all over the world at that point in time. so nothing special about the apparent higher mortality working in Jinge. 41:18 Sugar?? hahahaha where were people finding sugar in THOSE times anywhere in the world? Sugar was luxury until 19th Century in Europe thanks to the great expanse of slave laboured plantations. Peasants and workers all the world over in ancient times and even in present day ate a carb rich diet. Only the rich ate meat. FAT was prized above all by practically every society back then but our lady said yucks to it lol. So much for putting this in historical context. Nope... if they could not afford meat, they could not afford fat. so one wonders where the fat that these workers supposedly ate came from lol.

@morganmajurey5805

8 күн бұрын

"...Sugar?? hahahaha where were people finding sugar in THOSE times anywhere in the world..." Never heard of Sugar Cane? It is grown all over southern China and Asia and has been for centuries, if not millenia.

In the 16th century China was much more sophisticated and rich than England. This was reversed in the 19th century. But in the 21st century, England returned to occupy a subordinate position in relation to China. This obviously makes the English upper class seethe with anger and envy, but the Chinese are not to blame for the failure of the rainy island. If China ruled England it is very likely that that country would not be bogged down by the stupid austerity that concentrates wealth, depresses the economy and impoverishes and saddens the English population.

@KamadoGrill

7 күн бұрын

History waves

@kevinanderson7460

7 күн бұрын

What is your definition of sophistication? Does it include the absence of courvee labour?

@yomismosoyelregalo2266

6 күн бұрын

I wonder if the economic reversal could have had anything to do with the fact that the British military occupied China starting with the first Opium War in 1842 and forced the opium trade on them, then the other powers piled on and demanded the Unequal Treaties, brought Christianity which led to the Tientsin War. China suffered under occupation for over 100 years from 1842 until 1949. Imagine if that were done to Merry Olde England.

@KamadoGrill

6 күн бұрын

​@@yomismosoyelregalo2266 while China was in a situation where it cannot reform itself.Regardless of the historical context, China and Britain are still great and respected countries.

Very interesting!

@KamadoGrill

2 күн бұрын

Thanks