thank you very interesting

I found this very educational. Subscribed - and do hope you continue to post when you have time in the future!

i liked the discussion about the relation of frequencies and ratios- more please!

Thank you Troy - this is awesome!!! Be well.

Thanks. This was interesting and informative.

Would really love to see more! I'm trying to understand Chinese music theory so I can write legit compositions instead of just throwing in a generic melody on a Chinese instrument and hoping for the best.

Great video

Thank you

This is gold

Would love to see a follow-up!

Actually, the really ancient and court music utilises the 雅樂 Yayue Scale. 123#4567, this is called the Gong scale, and then you let each of the note in the scale be the first note you now got 7 scales, and the. You put them into 12 different keys, the Yayue 84 modes are made. In fact, there are seven scales, 宮調，商調，角調，變徵調，徵調，羽調，變宮調。 There are still a lot of music in these scales survive until this day. Most of them are Guqin 古琴 music, the best example is 幽蘭 the solitary Orchid. And 神人暢 Shenrenchang This music style sounds really strange and weird to ears that are accustomed to pentatonic music or western music. These two pieces of music heavily emphasised the two half notes in the music, especially the #4.

@chrisleeeee7702

2 жыл бұрын

Almost all of the music from the 白石道人歌曲 are not pentatonic, I would suggest 長庭怨 慢

@troymorris8591

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisleeeee7702 Thanks so much for this informative comment! Yes, I did briefly mention the existence of heptatonic (seven-note) scales in Chinese classical music, but it's great to see a much more detailed explanation of the subject. It is very surprising to hear the half steps in this kind of music, and the music of the guqin is a wonderful way to dive into the intricacies of Chinese music that lay beyond the pentatonic scale. I hope to learn more about the instrument guqin in the future as I believe its structure and use can teach us so much about the fundamentals of music, spanning even beyond the realms of Chinese traditional music. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!

@CIA-m1v

6 ай бұрын

You can hear the #4 in the intro to the Genshin Impact theme.

Tan Dun, the famous composer, came to Guiyang not long ago he stated that the difference between western music and the Eastern one is that the first is chromatic (or diatonic I guess he meant) the second is organic........

@troymorris8591

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he's got some great ideas on this subject, we just did a performance with him in October. Have you heard his bass concerto?

@turnipsociety706

3 ай бұрын

"Eastern" in the context of music is quite misleading though. Is Burmese music eastern? Is Gamelan music eastern? Is Ryukyun music eastern? Then "eastern" is a random inconsistent assortment? As for "western" (12 tone equal-temperament tones with harmonies of minimum 3 notes) it can hardly described as chromatic, as scales and modes are clearly mainly diatonic, even if there are chromatic options in the semi-tones. "organic" seems to be just a meliorative word. I don't know how he can prove that music produced in the western tradition (it could be a Japanese, a greek or a German composer) can not be "organic"

@peterwang5660

Ай бұрын

@@turnipsociety706 East Asia, South Asia, Middle East North Africa, etc. all imagine themselves and themselves alone and none of those other places as "The East" to the white people countries of "The West"

@turnipsociety706

Ай бұрын

@@peterwang5660 Even some European countries will see themselves as opposed to "the West", depending on the context of conversation. "the West" just means "the dominant model, the centre that can ignore the margins, the centre that influences the margins". But personally I see Japan and South Korea being centres of the West just like the US are. And what about Latin America?? It is just too confusing a terminology and not helpful at all

Can you play a few examples to demonstrate your points?

Hi Troy, thank you for this informative video. Do you have plan to make more videos where you talk about Chinese music theory like this one?

@troymorris8591

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for watching! I originally had a plan for more videos, but just haven't gotten around to putting in the time to research the topics I want to cover in the future. Instead I've had experimented with other videos including some original music videos. If there's a specific topic related to Chinese music or culture you'd like to learn more about, you can let me know, maybe it will spark the inspiration for another video!

@DerpDerp3001

Жыл бұрын

@@troymorris8591 I’d be curious of how emotion is displayed if it can at all (since I have decided to make program music) in Chinese classical music and a tutorial of how to compose a piece that follows the rules of Chinese music theory.

@StubbornPoint

5 ай бұрын

@@troymorris8591 Adding on a vote of hoping to see more videos on this! I read your other comments about the (lack of) chord progressions in Chinese music. I'd be curious to learn more about historical and modern practices of Chinese music played in groups and how that interacts with the presence or lack of accompaniment/harmonic movement.

@turnipsociety706

3 ай бұрын

@@DerpDerp3001 it really depends on the instrument.

So, my understanding so far is that western music focuses more on shifting the overall pattern of harmony within a mostly static tone structure, while eastern music focuses on shifting the tones within a mostly static harmonic pattern. Is that somewhere in the ballpark of accurate?

@troymorris8591

3 жыл бұрын

That's the gist! Chinese classical music in its purest form doesn't have any harmonic movement, at least in the Western sense of chord progressions and key changes, so the emphasis is more on artistic realization through fairly free rhythms and improvisational use of ornaments and slides. Thanks for watching!

@turnipsociety706

3 ай бұрын

@@troymorris8591 that's seems to me to me modal composing. Which is available in western music (though not in Common Practice Era), and also at the origin of western music.

Fascinating! After having listened to clssical guqin pieces for many weeks oddly this left me a bit turned off by Western classical music, as while harmonically it is crazy good, I find it lacks elements I came to love in the Chinese classics.

tonal vision

So they use 5 modes based on the 5 degrees of the scale? How similar is their chords progressions to western music?

@troymorris8591

3 жыл бұрын

That’s right! It’s also possible to have seven scale degrees in total, usually adding the sharp 4th (tritone) or a sharp 7th (leading tone). These however would not be used as tonal centers because of their dissonant relationship to other scale degrees. Traditionally, Chinese music does not have chord progressions in the Western sense of the term, although chords can be played with a more ornamental purpose. Emphasis can be given to multiple scale degrees throughout a composition, but not in the same way we change chords or even keys within a Western composition.

@clifford2222

3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks

Hi Troy, your Instagram link in your profile doesn’t work any more. Mind sharing with us your latest social media links?

@1:25 Qin :D