This reminds me of that behind-the-scenes video where Mark Chao caught an idiom being used wrongly in the script. It was the author of TMOPB that used it wrongly in her book. He clarified it with the director and they switched it out for the correct idiom. I remember being quite impressed that he managed to catch that mistake.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, cause if you can’t catch it, the audience will only say “lol, stupid actor” it’s not fair but that’s the reality

@missm1776

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao I don't find the author reliable because she just plagiarized TMOPB from another novel

@itzelmontalvo6645

3 жыл бұрын

@@missm1776 What novel?

@raynelee6255

3 жыл бұрын

@@itzelmontalvo6645 A Chinese BL novel called “Peach Blossom Debt” and that’s not all, after plagiarising because of the crackdown on BL works the author of that novel wasn’t able to take any action and the woman who plagiarised the novel into TMOPB would go on her social pages and taunt the original author and set her fans to hate on the original novel author. Then when the novel was picked up for adaptation the company joined the plagiarising author to threaten defamation lawsuit against the BL novel author.

@jiangnan733

3 жыл бұрын

@@raynelee6255 Peach Blossom Debt is getting an adaptation?

Very interesting video.I definitely agree with you that being well-read needs to be a minimum requirement for actors considering how much of their job is related to interpreting and reciting words.

I'm a bit late to the game here, but just want to say that my dad went to Peking University from rural region in Inner Mongolia. It was such a big deal in his town that they erected a stone wall in the yard of his high school with his name on it, as a symbol that it was truly doable.

Kinda off topic but your place looks so comfy lol

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

try my best to make it presentable, it's pretty messy right now

I agree with your sentiment about British actors like Tom Hiddleston and Eddie Redmayne. I can watch them talk for hours not only because of how eloquent they are, but also because their minds are brimming with ideas from the sublime to the ordinary. I've been reading Classics this whole quarantine period and I was stunned to see Hiddleston in a particular video about Tolstoy. I was amazed that aside from being a good actor, you can see he's genuinely interested in languages and literature.

@jaalisia

3 жыл бұрын

They teach really well in Eton College and Cambridge uni (which they attended), both were also born in the rich district of Westminster with very pleasant and posh accent... It's really helpful to be born in such elitist environments.

I guess this is also one of the reason dubbed voice is used on dramas.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

yes...don't even get me started on this

@chelciarnold4250

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 please make a video about the dubbing!! Please go there~~

@ladyfrekles

4 жыл бұрын

AvenueX That would actually be a very interesting topic

@Helghast73

4 жыл бұрын

They’ll dub you in the west if they think your accent isn’t fitting too.

@reesespeanut4778

4 жыл бұрын

@@Helghast73 not true. If you are going to play the whataboutitism game, name sources.

So I'm a high school student from Canada, and my school accepts ESL students (English Second Language). Naturally, this means that my school receives a lot of students from abroad, and that includes China. And let me say, the film industry is having a bad influence on Chinese younger generations. In the halls, the second you hear a Chinese person speak (I'm Chinese too btw), it's usually about "I wanna be famous and have a lot of money, like (insert Chinese actor)". In the bathrooms, all you can see is a bunch of Asians doing full faces of makeup, AND PUTTING ON NEW SETS OF CLOTHES. When the Bell rings, the school legit becomes a fashion show for all the Chinese abroad students in our school. They don't care about their grades, since you can see (and hear) them skip class. Most of my courses are drama based by the way, but my academic courses are in the Gifted level, and it bothers me so much that these Chinese film schools have put such low standards on intelligence for future actors, it's simply insulting at this point

@ashaj7095

4 жыл бұрын

what a disgrace that so many young people from a communist country have such warped values. Mao Zedong must be spinning in his grave.

@redred7702

4 жыл бұрын

@@ashaj7095 - tru lmao

@animelovergirl8461

3 жыл бұрын

Now I kinda can see why China sets such a difficult beauty standard and some chinese actors/actresses were a bit cringey as they act on screen and this also involves some of the people behind the scenes too.

@LilyUnicorn

3 жыл бұрын

Its not just actors. Any person born rich isnt expected to be smart.....the chinese care more about beauty and poplarity.... and its plan weird how obsesses with it they are.

@judy-8961

3 жыл бұрын

@asha J Actually Mao Zedong would applaud them. As he and his party tried to destroyed as much historical and cultural materials as possible during the cultural revolution. They hated the educated and forces them to work at farms.

This is what it’s like in the US for athletes.

@RoseNZieg

4 жыл бұрын

i used to tutor athletes on math........ i can't believe how low their academic skills are.

@weixing3094

4 жыл бұрын

But actors do require more knowledge than athletes

@toffeepupu

3 жыл бұрын

@@weixing3094 omg this is 1 year late I'm sorry for bugging your notification. But I believe these celebrities in general have a lot of influence on young people. Their poor performance on academics and probably questionable critical thinking skill could affect not just the quality of their works but also what they say to their fans or social media that can be viewed by everyone. Take CardiB for example.

I agree with the fact that art majors should also have solid foundations in general academic studies, even if its other humanities and not STEM related at all (although as a STEM major I can totally argue for the importance and cultural and progressive/political relevance of a well-rounded STEM education). I feel like even though in execution, education systems have trouble with this, general education through high school SHOULD give EVERYONE an equal, well rounded foundation in all major subjects. Again, this fails in execution almost everywhere, but the ideal is as such. Art is an expression of an artist's ideas, thoughts, belief systems, and take on the world. Even if actors have to "become" a different, specific character, or a painter has to create in a certain required style, they imbue their own thoughts and perspectives into their work. Being "academically high achieving" shouldn't be necessary, but having a solid general education that is AVERAGE should be strived towards. As someone who really likes the idea of the renaissance man (even though in practice can be impossible to truly achieve), I think learning how to learn, and having enough general knowledge on all subjects is important. It really shows when you are developing your own conclusions about the world around you, esp since information online is so accessible and not necessarily controlled by quality. It's important to have these foundations to pull upon when forming conclusions on any topic where you have perhaps 5 diff sources with 5 diff perspectives. And this shows for ALL fields. Art included.

@roxelaneelmira4678

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with the IDEA that general knowledge is needed, the problem I see though is about the way it's currently implemented about everywhere in the world. The current education system is designed for the industrial age, yet, as you pointed out, nowadays with internet "knowledge" is easely accessible. What is lacking, is more what we used to call "common sense", which has become pretty uncommon nowadays imo... Again as you mentionned, we can easily find about everything on internet, the good, the bad and the ugly, thus basic analytics skills become essential! And the sad thing is that current youngsters, teenagers and young adults alike from what I see, are basically aiming for "good results" rather than "good understanding". When students in university ask if this particular content will be at the exam or not, and don't care if it's not... what about in your career?!? Life don't end when you're done with the "official" education!!! So indeed, for actors, if they cannot actually understand their lines, heeeeeeeeeeeee... ah but yah, they don't need to isn't it, the director is there to tell them how to act them, and they'll be dubbed soooooooooo... *rolling eyes*

preach lady preach! there are more than just standing there and looking pretty.

What an interesting topic! Prior to this video, I had always been amazed at all the Chinese actors having college degrees. I thought - wow - classically trained! Then the reality of their acting in the drama leaves much to be desired.😟 To be sure, a college education does not make you an outstanding actor. Talent and passion matters. But I do agree there must be something intellectually present. I have heard a few US actors in interviews where you just cringe at their vocabulary ( or lack there of) so the “problem “ is not just in China! Anyway, enjoyed the video.

Don’t worry about the actor/actress thing. Words like “actress” and “waitress” are meaningless in the modern world anyway. And it’s not like we call female doctor “doctoress” and female employee “emploress”. The gendered use of occupational titles in English is very inconsistent. If it’s consistent (like French) then I would probably take it more seriously. My personal preference is to just completely drop the “ress” (unless in very formal/academic settings) in my daily life. If some “politically correct” (this phrase has also become meaningless now) people want to bash me for it, then just do it. I don’t really care.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

lol, I hate the he/she thing too, in chinese it sounds the same, thought written differently, but actual it used to be just the current male he, then last century they invented the female "he", I feel that's really... unnecessary.

@MorbidEel

4 жыл бұрын

'And it’s not like we call female doctor “doctoress” and female employee “emploress”. The gendered use of occupational titles in English is very inconsistent.' I've seen people who do that and it's pretty annoying.

@MorbidEel

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 ah but that should make it easier for people translating webnovels where the female protagonist is crossing 99% of the story and get referred to as both a he and she from one sentence to the next :P assuming the original authors didn't get themselves confused as well

@HanQ28

4 жыл бұрын

​@@MorbidEel I just checked the dictionary and "doctoress" is actually a word lol But still, if I ever meet someone who says that, I might not to able to stop myself from laughing out loud.

@LinhNguyen-dy4ym

4 жыл бұрын

@@MorbidEel Maybe in situations where the speaker doesn't know (or mistakenly assume) the gender of the one he/she is speaking of. It's confusing (for the characters) since he/she are pronounced the same, names are often neutral-gendered and nouns are almost always neutral. So unless specifically stated (with the word girl/woman/female), you can never be sure. That's why translating will lose a little bit of it's meaning, bc the author would intentionally create the confusion for misunderstandings to happen.

I've one folder in my computer just full of Tom Hiddleston interview videos

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

lol, I can listen to him reading 3.141592653589793...

Nowadays, so many trained actors, esp from the UK, dominate the Hollywood tv industry, because they can act period. These trained actors often said in the interview tho, that they academically didn't do well at school. (like they didn't get A-Level etc.) If there is a huge difference btw these two industries, English-speaking actors don't have to act in like 50 eps. within 3 months. They obviously have much more time than average Chinese actors, to understand the script, explore and deepen their characters. That's a huge difference. While I enjoy those crazy numbers of episodes of Chinese dramas, I am sometimes sorry for actors, who work in the Chinese film industry.

@TuningAnApple

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of the times it feels having a whole 50 episodes isn't needed.

Many great Hollywood stars never went to film schools, much less graduated from one. Good looks is the main requirement for actors and actresses. Acting ability is only secondary. The reality is most people prefer to watch good-looking actors with poor acting skills than ugly actors with great acting skills.

@RoseNZieg

4 жыл бұрын

i agree that there are so many people who prefer looks over ability. i get so annoyed when i read comments saying "i want a better looking actor to do this role" or "this actor is so ugly. i don't want to watch it."

@bapyongukgukguk2352

4 жыл бұрын

lol the last decade of really decent American productions was the 90's. when you witnessed the heydays of US quality productions you cannot be impressed by anything today marvel or superheroes shits

@co6033

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, agreed. I watch movie to escape from reality and de-stress. Please give me eyes candy, at least.

Wow, this was extremely interesting! I've read many novels with Chinese students, but never knew how unbalanced the exam system was. Not to talk about everything before the actual exams, eg financial ability to get tutors etc.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

yes, pre-acting schools training is one of the worst too, super expensive, and still every year, only 150 people gets into the top three acting schools in china

I definitely can understand your sentiment.....to these....young actors being....a little more face than substance. Very valid argument.

Reminds me of Nini. Her major wasn't acting yet somehow she ends up having a career in the industry. I've watched her interview. She's intelligent. There's another thing : many teenagers want to be actors because of the fame and fortune come with the job, not because they're interested in preforming or acting or storytelling. Those who didn't intend to be in the industry initially often hold more respect to the job. They deem acting as a proper job, not the way to become famous and rich overnight. And the fact that they're not classically trained makes them more humble to learn. Yes, you could be rich and famous being an actor. But you won't act well if all that matters to you is the profit. The actors should be genuinely interested by the job itself instead of chasing the glore surrounding it. The glore comes with the job if it's well done. It doesn't work the other way round.

Since many actors hardly read the lines well, many of them just say “1,2,3,4...” as their lines, and then the CVs will record the lines. So that’s why sometimes you can tell the mouth movements of an actor in a show is different from the lines...

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

yes, that "number lady" story is for real

@wandatherranova4258

4 жыл бұрын

Wait whaat? They said 1-2-3-etc or any other words to replace the scripts in the field???

@amyhu2905

4 жыл бұрын

Omg whaaaaat 🤯

@pandaexpress7673

3 жыл бұрын

wow this is interesting to know

@shreya446

3 жыл бұрын

holy shiet this is something else...

I think Xiao Zhan is a good example of someone who is educated who then become an actor who is eloquent and can act

@RoseNZieg

4 жыл бұрын

lol that reminds me of the clip where he was bragging about his mandarin certificate. good times...

@fairlymoon448

4 жыл бұрын

@@RoseNZieg ooooh link? When was this?

@misssunny6489

4 жыл бұрын

The beginning of this interview refers to his certificate and has a snippet of that incident but I couldn’t find the original kzread.info/dash/bejne/jGWE1LJ7XcyXqrQ.html

@marites59

4 жыл бұрын

I most definitely agree with you

@diliatjung5988

4 жыл бұрын

Same here lol. The first person come into my mind is xiao zhan. You know he is smart by the way he talks

Always knew there was something up by the quality of actors coming out from certain backgrounds. It is very interesting to hear about what is actually going on. Btw, you look great today, that color lipstick makes you look even more refreshing and bright! ❤️

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

thank you, though there's color-grading so the lipstick probably is not what it would be in real life

The acting level is low in general, I think, mostly because serious actors can't be famous, high quality movies are overlooked. Most of them can't even find enough work to live comfortably and the pretty idols on the other hand are loaded. No wonder nobody invests time in polishing their acting anymore. It takes too much time to keep their popularity (appear constantly on the media, attend many events...). But if you are not popular, you won't be cast. And even after they are chosen for a role (usually very bad written), they have to rush to keep up to schedule, use multiple substitutes cuz producers want to save money (and they want to save time). So the circle just keeps going around like that.

I'm from the UK and I find it interesting that British actors seem to be perceived quite positively abroad. In our school system (at least when I was in school anyway) drama would be a compulsory subject until around age 13-14 when students begin to drop/select subjects that interest them. So a potential actor could chose to study drama for GCSE(age 16)/A Level (age 18) exams then go on to train at university level. Even comedians/other entertainers here would likely have a fair understanding of the history and craft of the performing arts. Also as you rightly touched on, the creative sector in the UK is still massively classist so many of the most prominent actors would have gone to elite universities or at least been privately educated in their childhoods. The theatre especially is quite highly regarded so there isn't that same level of stigma - although if you're from an immigrant family your parents likely will still kick your arse if you said you want to be an actor instead of a doctor/lawyer/engineer lol.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

yes, I did went to a film programme in the UK though not the acting part, I kind of know the posh dominance of the acting world there

Brilliant video and excellent analysis on a topic that's been plaguing me for a while. I'd also like to add that perhaps the problem seems to have worsened in the last decade due to the fast consumerism of content, so churning out MORE shows is rewarded a lot more than making quality ones. Compared to the last generation, fewer and fewer young actors view acting as an art that takes time to continuously work on, rather they sign up for quick productions to get more money and exposure. I think it's definitely a vicious cycle: consumers are demanding for more dramas, so agencies compress their production to aim for quantity, which incentivizes actors (especially the young ones) to jump into roles before they even learn the basics of performing arts.

Loved it! Thank you for the insight.

I’ve been watching mainland Chinese dramas lately e.g. Nirvana in Fire, The Untamed, Ode to Joy and I honestly didn’t notice bad acting. In fact I was pretty impressed overall especially compared with Korean and Taiwanese dramas.

@snigdhakhadka5867

2 жыл бұрын

I’m so late but Nirvana in fire is not your average Chinese drama. Nirvana in fire is the epic gem, treasure.

I don’t think most professionally trained actors are less educated, some are amazing talented and smart, but I do agree with you that the script writing and many scene writers and directors are just to poorly constructed, poor quality and content. Lacking knowledge can lead to bad charisma

@animelovergirl8461

3 жыл бұрын

Agree

Great video! Very enlightening! I was just watching Dear Diary, which I liked very much because it's different from anything I've seen from China and it has some great plot twists. But at the same time, I was like "it's lacking some logic here and also knowledge on how time traveling works" and I also missed more discussions about these elements in the drama, it mainly focused on the love part. I mean it's fine to focus on the discussions about love, but I think the drama could have been even richer.

An actor who have more knowledge might be able to differentiate between a good and a bad script, then refuse to act a character who lack common sense or in a drama full of plot hole, that include a LOT of dramas. Also a "smarter" actor might be able to talk about sensible topic, then Censorship might kick in. Hence problems may arise if an actor is "too" knowledgable...

@florian8599

2 жыл бұрын

A smart actor might be able to talk about a sensible topic smartly to circumvent censorship...

Before the 90s, the important quality for actors was good acting skills and a good education. After China became more open, the emphasis was based on physical appearance. The kpop influence ushered in the era of pretty boy and girl idols.

@rosesblue1218

4 жыл бұрын

this is not about kpop, china always digs into beautiful boys and girls. it's just they are getting rich thats all

@pandaexpress7673

3 жыл бұрын

@@rosesblue1218 in a way kpop also has the beauty standard that you gotta fall into else they won't be as popular, no matter who influenced who, beauty over talent is our new reality

@zitronentee

3 жыл бұрын

Here in Indonesia, it's happen like that too. Early 90s, actors and singers are very professional and many has theater background. I think it's the start of bubblegum pop and Britney Spears, that entertainment industry are focusing towards younger market : pop groups, cute boys & girls. So, they're in constant search of fresh faces, regardless talent. Preferably, eurasian.

@ashaj7095

3 жыл бұрын

@@rosesblue1218 it was a totally different film/drama culture before 2005. I don't think you know much about the history of C-entertainment. industry.

@vp98215

3 жыл бұрын

kpop didnt degrade the acting standards of korean movies... kdramas and kmovies have really good actors... the Korean society even though is highly look obsessed they also appreciate good actors regardless of their physical appearances... most of the hallyu stars that are famous for their good-looks arent that big in korea and most of the well respected korean movie stars rarely do kdramas and try for hallyu popularity... so its not kpop or kwave's fault if china lacks standard actors...

Very enlightening! Thanks for the explanation.

i really enjoyed the video, this actually brought up a lot of thoughts that i have wrt some of the other vids that you've made, especially regarding the toxic work culture in the industry, the insanely accelerated rise to fame of some of the young actors etc. for example, with many actors accepting job offers even before they graduate - and hence joining in the toxic work culture and being sucked out of "regular life", this denies them the opportunity to ever experience life via a regular person's lens, and therefore would make their portrayal of certain characters less grounded (bc they'd probably have to be act a lot based on imagination). also the last point you made about objectifying the actors/secretly disregarded (that is, until they eventually achieve fame, which is just a hell of a double standard), that was something i did not think about as well, i am very glad you brought it up! it oddly reminds me of the time when you mentioned how beijing opera actors would be so well paid, yet receive so little respect. not sure if anybody else sees the parallels but i feel like with the way the system is built, the arts are never going to get the true respect it deserves. :( (this also ties into actors being overpaid despite not being able to truly bring value to the culture/stories, man, 环环相扣ya what an interesting topic). I'm so glad i stumbled onto this vid of yours more than 1 year later!

wow this video gave me such a different perspective bc i completely agreed with the system of drama schools but you explained the situation really well and the reasons why actors need to have actual intelligence so yes thank you for this video it was really insightful

Thanks for explaining the overview look. I come from the central academy of drama. There is a clear No if your NECC is lower than the line. It’s not like if were lower than that the uni really wants you so you can get in. Also, the NECC line is getting higher and higher each year. Plus, the acting course only accepts 25 students, not 50. Art students spend lots of time on their auditions, etc. Not everyone can manage both well.

Thanks for sharing the info

In my country (Russia) situation is completely opposite. Max score of our "gaokao" is 300 (if 3 subjects) or 400-500 (if 4 subjects or 2- 3 subjects + audition or art exam and so on). Well, theoretically, you can pass all 18 subjects and get 1800 points, but practically no one will ever need this - this is just insane. From one of the Moscow's art university website - last year results: Drama and cinema artist - 296/300 + interview, Musical theater artist - 358/400 + interwiew, Drama director - 411/500, Musical theater director - 349/500 (surprise). About pretty faces (my personal opinion): actually, there is so little outstanding persons on russian tv (nobody, lol), everybody is soooo average (to be sincere, i can't imagine someone not really average), and we have so much NOT beautiful actors and actreces even in everyevening romantic dramas...May be this is because to be outstandingly beautiful in Russia is practically impossible, because you can see more-or-less beautiful people everyday everywhere in the streets/work/classroom, so pretty faces is not what people seeking - this is just pleasing bonus

This really is just sad and unfortunate. The actors that get a major breakthrough who are also well learned tend to be so much more likable, relatable and makes you want to look forward to their next work.

Thank you for introducing the situation to us. I strongly agree with you. I am amazed by your video, for you talk so clearly and on point.

Omg few years ago president of the central academy of drama came to our city and i was his translator. I didn't know that this university was so big 😱.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

it's known to have a "higher" standard of training than other acting schools, but quality slipping is a epidemic thing in recent years. Still probably the best acting school you can go to in China

All they need are pretty face in my country, acting skill is number 2, academic skill is number n 🤣.

Given that a quality script can be ruined by poor acting, while a crappy script can be saved by superior acting, one would think that drama schools would put equal emphasis on the different aspects. To be frank, insisting on more knowledgeable people all round would only benefit the industry.

I hope @avenuex would make an update of this kinds of topic. Very interesting.

Now I know why when I read (translated) romantic c-novels, once the male lead's mother or grandmother hears the female lead is an actress even if she's famous, they'll immediately conclude she's "unqualified" or an idiot. 😂 Gosh! Thank you for sharing this reality behind film and drama land.

Very interesting, I definitely agree with you.

also from the many interviews, some interviewers always ask something stupid like cringey punchline and fan service, not something critical like their future plans or discussing their performance etc

I found your channel and I have to say I so agree with all your opinions… maybe because I’m an older person… but I haven’t seen any your videos that I did not agree with all you say .. thanks for your valuable , educational and honest opinions I wish young people would listen to you more

Very interesting. Thank you. At the university I went to, there was an acting society called "Footlights" which has produced some of the famous actors including Emma Thompson and Stephen Fry. With their steady theatre training, together with some academic ability, those actors are able to outlive the period when the greatest asset demanded of them is the youthful beauty.

I'm shocked but thanks for interesting info.

Is this also the reason why there’s a special IDOL DRAMA category for Chinese drama? I noticed that the idol dramas are usually very pretty but basic and usually 24 eps. But when these idol dramas go into the “serious” field with 36+ eps the drama tend to be so dragged out. But I do enjoy the idol dramas which I can watch as background noise. 😆

In france the academic requirements are even much lower, you just have to be good at acting, no requirements other than that, france is not known for its cultural achievement in the world. A lot of great artists there were never good at schools...

Really great perspective! I agree that to be a good performer, you need to have a strong basic knowledge base of history and human nature, and have learned critical thinking skills. There's no need for these actors to excel at school, but future actors should be encouraged to at least try to get a basic pass in their humanities courses.

The current movie/TV industry model gives control of projects to directors and script writers, actors are relatively passive in the process, unless the actor is highly respected and stubbornly insistent on having input. This structure is taught early in their respective professional training and selection criteria: smart students for future directors and writers, pretty but not necessarily smart actors.

All those web novels that focus on 华娱, china film industry, did talk about such things. Have to read between the lines but the good ones do tap dance around those topics.(so as to not get ban) The bad ones though are just sex fantasy

I think the problem are also those people who wanted to became actors just for money and fame and doesnt care about the quality of their performance to the point of do nothing about it, when you have deficiencies and you are interested in getting better you can do it

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

no one really just love acting for the "art" of it, fame money will always be a major motivator, but you have to live up to it

@GitanAnimex

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 i agree, no one works for free but if you know you need to get better you do something , there are alot of actors who doesnt have a degree but there they are ... another thing is the public, if the public are happy with mediocre performance, mediocre stories and films then the industry will keep going for that path

At least you guys have acting schools, and that these are formally accepted as degrees and careers. Whereas in my country, celebrities are mostly just "discovered", those who join reality shows, trended here and there, some real talents, BUT! Mosty just really good looking. And one major requirement is that you have to have connections to some big names in the industry.

@corycianangel6321

3 жыл бұрын

Are you talking about Filipino celebrities? Because that almost exactly fits that description on how celebrities are made there.

@florinaarano8000

3 жыл бұрын

@@corycianangel6321 YES.

@corycianangel6321

3 жыл бұрын

There are actor schools in the Philippines but most celebs don't go there. For those celebs, I think there are artista camps or short-term acting programs. Unfortunately, I don't know how those programs work.

@RookieCookieWookie

3 жыл бұрын

I would often joke with my aunt that if her kid (who is half-white) wants to become an actor, all he needs to do is knock on abs-cbn's door and he's halfway to his stardom lol!

@RookieCookieWookie

3 жыл бұрын

@@corycianangel6321 i dont know how those work either but basing from from actors' performances, I don't think they're good lol why is everyone overacting anyway????

It’s funny cause the admissions is so competitive so i guess the audition is weighted more heavily

I think the idea of getting accepted to college as an actor/actress is similar to a job interview because in a job interview your grades don't even matter as long as you can perform.

In our city government sets the lowest limit of the scores for whole country. Every university can set their score limits but shouldn't be lower than the governments.

The thing is, with such a low acceptance rate into performing arts schools and not doing well academically is risky because you’ve put all your eggs in one basket and this basket has added holes in it. I remember seeing interviews with Hung Kam-bo, Yuen Biao and Yuen Wah about their time in Peking Opera School and it seemed savage, but it did set them up for long careers in the film industry. It’s a tricky one though, they need to be able to act first and foremost and do they need to be walking references to all things culturally in the past ? 😬 no they don’t, they just need to act like they do... don’t hate me haha.

:19 STOP get the tea ready sipped...☕ cause you already know 😏

Just a question that some what relates to the video so if I want to try to get into a drama school in China (for example Beijing film academy) would the auditions be different between Chinese students and international students and if it is slightly different then what about Chinese international students? Also are there any extra requirements needed for international and Chinese international students?

Absolutely agree! I mean I’m currently based in England and look at why British film industry is so good and so influential, and why British actors’ acting skill is so marvelous, look at their education: Oxford, Cambridge, RADA, LAMDA. Especially those elite actors their degrees are mostly in Humanities like history literature and classics etc.

@aureliadiwu_cotofan

4 жыл бұрын

Oh I just realized you also mentioned Tom Hiddleston Benedict Cumberbatch etc. just my point. Absolutely agree. Chinese actors are mostly just good looking dolls. I mean good looks are very important for acting industry, but only having good looks is very very bad. Like Oscar Wilde’s Dorian Gray. When good looks go with brain they are amazing. Chinese acting industry full idiots basically , not just actors, but also playwright and directors, these are important storytelling jobs but most of them are shit in education many school dropouts and just somehow landed on the culture industry. They are dominating the cultures industry.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

many older actors are so much better educated, at least they don't pronounce characters wrong...sigh... my standard has become so low

I wonder if it is the same in South Korea since I‘ve seen behind-the-scenes where actors can’t read the writings of Joseon era so they have cheat sheets to know how to say it / what it means.

This is fascinating!!!! I have to say though that your even less than stellar education requirements for acting schools are much more than what is required to take up acting in the US. They don’t need a university degree. If they are somewhat successful, it’s their PR team that handles their public appearances and preps them for interviews to hopefully mask their ignorance. Sigh.

😯My god this is insane, I really feel so sorry for any of them that really want to be actors and have the ability but not in the right location or money and help from parents, also not having the help to understand the difference between ancient text and language. Here in Australia in NIDA has a lot of training and understanding also have to have an education . 🙃🇦🇺

Wow, Ethiopia copied the same system from China!! I can't believe this! It is 75 to 80% similar, though there are some differences. Specifically, choosing sciences and humanities in highschool, the national examination are quite similar. The difference is the university acceptance here isn't very complicated.

Thank you for this video and opinions, absolutely brilliant. I totally agree.

Because the system is so horrible in many ways, what is a good way to train to become a great actor in China? Also, what is a good way to become an actor in China as a Chinese born Canadian currently attending high school in the Vancouver area? Should I aim for those Beijing universities anyway? Should I stay here for university but if I do won’t I have way smaller opportunities? Should I take classes now?

Does this applies for the international foreign student who want to study in Central Academy Of Drama?

This seems genuinely unfair to the students as well... they are expected to know so much but are given so little incentive [or perhaps even opportunity] to gain the knowledge they need.

Even though Xiao Zhan is super popular right now and some things might be staged , I have to point out that he seems to have good logic and reasoning and over all has very high quality 素质. Maybe the fact that he studied in a typical university contributed to this.

Glad I came across this video. I thought you were going to say students who want to be actors had to still get 650+ and know how to dance/sing/act etc.

For Chinese : I am a foreign actress and I would like to be an actor in China But I'm afraid I can't as a foreigner Is there a law in China that a foreigner can not play in Chinese movies and TV series? it is possible? Or no matter how hard I try, I can only play a Support Role?

Speak your truth girl!!

I think they should at least have a good understanding on literature and storytelling. I want to know, which chinese actors are u talking about who cant hold interviews? Like idol actors? I don't understand Mandarin that well so I don t get what you mean by actors being uninteresting in their interviews. Like do you mean they don't flow with personality or charisma?

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

not just idol actors, if you've worked in the industry you'd be appalled by the "unlearnedness" of actors, sometimes even directors and producers...

@newname3718

4 жыл бұрын

Empty minds, low EQ. Just not the kind of person you will want to work with to create masterpieces.

This ncee sound like the Brazilian national exam hahahahaha It’s a total hell!!

As a black professional actor that just came to China and want to polish his acting career and be able to get auditions and acting jobs whilst studying which school do advise me to apply

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

acting schools like these accept high school graduates of that year mostly, they don't tend to accept people who are mature, international students are extremely rare. If you can get yourself a good following online such as on Weibo or tiktok, and speak good chinese, that might be a more likely way to get acting job in China. Thing is , roles for foreign faces in chinese drama/film are so limited

Most actors in america and europe dont even go to university. Yet they win academy awards. About the ancient chinese stuff, What they can teach in highschool surely can they teach in university. Acting school should have a low bar for academics. Because china is in a unique position where most actors actually go to university, compared to america and eu where they mostly don't. It's extremely hard to spend 2 hours to do performance art practice everyday while trying to get As on highschool.

Wow...I would have never have guessed this was the case. Are there any current great actors from China that you consider to be well rounded? Any actors in some CDramas (you don't have to say specific names) that you find cringeworthy?

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

many "older" actors are really much more solid and well rounded, younger ones are less fortunate in this respect.

@ashaj7095

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 what about Hu Ge? He's quite well-read, down to earth and very talented.

I wonder a bout Yang Zi though.She is a student from Beijing film economics and in the class 2. I don’t know if that the greater class or something else. Can you explain that or just Rp my questions!

Basically, they're not required to pass any exam, it's all about the interviews which are where EQ and IQ are assessed as well as likability factor.

This information probably explains why dubbing is so prevalent in the industry. So sad; the voice is an instrument and training to deliver lines without tuning that instrument adds to lack of professionalism.

Hi I'm from india I want to be actress in china how can ido that

can you please make the eng/sub bigger thank you

You're so right about Tom Hiddleston. There something so classy and elegant about the way he talks in his interview. He is a perfect example of gentlemen. Every time I see his interview, I just wish if I could speak and interact like him too.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

his vocabulary makes me want to eat a dictionary

@saya1720_

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 Hahaha I can completely relate to that feeling. Also, thanks for the reply, I wasn't expecting it. I really look forward more of your videos like these and reviews.

Well, I would have thought this problem of "bad" actors (whether from drama schools or not) would die a natural death if the industry does not "reward" them by continuing to hire them. But then, the industry is all driven by the need to make as much money as possible. So you see all these pretty face idols with mediocre acting skills suddenly becoming hot commodity because they acquire a huge fan base. And fans don't become fans because of great acting skills. Terribly unfair to the really good actors, but that's the way it is. Yeah, this year's rage seems to be XZ & WYB (tho' they are not "trained" actors). But are they "great" actors? Well, I think they still have a long way to go to qualify for that title. But that doesn't matter, does it? They are now hot. And everyone wants them now.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

if you want to know more about how capital manipulate the entertainment business, shall I recommend a channel called 巫师财经 to you, it's eng subbed, and it goes into crazy detail about how it works, with one Yang Chaoyue and one Cai Xukun video, very insightful stuff, the narrator works in investment banking and his angel is totally from that point of view

@Wann-zo7rn2qn4i

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 Thanks ! Will look it up.

@norsamihah4016

4 жыл бұрын

Xioa zhan himself said that both of them not yet "actor"...

@tengds

3 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 Is the channel in KZread?

@tengds

3 жыл бұрын

@Quésie Thanks!

Oh yikes.... they need to increase the academic level in actors seriously....the quality right now... that's just ridiculous indeed.

I mean to be fair, the cultural stigma against actors are more historical IIRC, considering 戏子 was historically a derogatory term. a bit googling (well mostly looking it up on zhihu) reveals that it's usually due to how actors are assumed to also be sex workers (because a non insignificant portion of the population were).

Honestly, I don’t hold cdrama actor in the same categories as, say, Tony Leung or Gong Li. One industry is just for views and quick money while the other is art.

I'm always a bit surprised how similar Romania is to China is weird ways. We also have national exams that determine whether and what college you have access to, and highschool kids also have to pick between humanities, science or an "inferior" school.

Actors. Should. Know. Their. Literature.

I like your topic. Because i want to be an actress in china too. lol

Mi Lady X. I love to watch your passion as you "rant" about what is important to you. please rant in Chinese so your chinese subscribers can hear what you have to say. With my teaching background, i wholeheartedly agree with having a solid educational backgrounds in order to become a good actor: history, logic, self-image, and lots of patience on sets seem to be the 'j'e ne sais quoi' needed. parents generally sigh if their sons/daughters want to pursue acting career. regarding pretty faces, I am also guilty of such need to see pretty faces before i get to know them as good actors. we, normal people, want to escape reality by watching movies and dramas that are well made. Nowadays, young people have the "I want it, and i want it now"mentality. live stream, Facebook, Messenger, and fast food joints, just to name a few are supporting their urgencies. Similar to China, my country produces many graduates with a 4 years degree after high school, but they lack the well-rounded basic education to cope with our fast pace society. I can only rant with you so i won't end up with a stomach ulcer.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

ulcer is bad, don't get it, I had it once, oh so baaaaad. and if I rant in Chinese I may be hunted down by mobs...lol, Chinese internet is full of crazy trolls.

@ashaj7095

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 Hasn't Chinese governent media also been ranting recently about overpaid idols who lack acting skills?

I'm a little confused. I understand and agree with your assessments that actors/actress need to have a better academic strengths; yet given the 'lower' scoring on the academic requirements, how are the schools able to pick only 50 students out of thousands that apply? Did I miss something? Or is the 50 selected only refering to the top 2 drama schools whereas other schools will take anyone as long as they pass the auditions and meet those minimum standards?

@fluffycat1293

4 жыл бұрын

I would imagine the standards of the auditions would be different. Better unis will have higher requirements for the auditions as well in addition to the higher marks

@LinhNguyen-dy4ym

4 жыл бұрын

@@fluffycat1293 Extracurriculum activities are not popular in China, so high school students don't have the opportunity to explore their talents before auditions. Those who passed are either a. very pretty, or b. come from an influential family, or c. are profesionally trained/tutored at some form of performing art (which is very costly) or d. already famous. So sometimes raw talents can't fight this system.

@fluffycat1293

4 жыл бұрын

@@LinhNguyen-dy4ym okay, but I'm not too sure what that has to do with my post? I just said that better ranked schools are likely to have higher standards for the audition.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

50 for BFA, 50 for Central Academy annually, mostly decided by audition ranks, once you get into the 50 people list, then if your NCEE score is not too pathetic, you're in,( like just go over a third of the full mark and you're set)

@LinhNguyen-dy4ym

4 жыл бұрын

@@fluffycat1293 I mean the standards are high but they focus more on other things (mostly appearance, maybe the most important) than raw talent and acting skills so we have a generation of pretty dolls. Also they were tutored intensively just to past the audition (imagine you practice sth just to pass an exam, with specific criteria already stated, not that hard just saying, doesnt mean you are actually good at it) and most normal students don't ever have the chance to touch the field so only a handful of people with certain background can have a try. Besides, NCEE is very hard in China, so if you spend time practice acting, you basically forfeit the chance to go to college. That makes even fewer people willing to be serious about acting. So the admission committee just have to overlook the bad acting (bc they actually don't have that many choices really) and choose the looks. It's very rare to have someone pretty and act well. And the way the filming industry choose actors nowadays, those who have the skills but not pretty enough won't risk it.

Can I do master in acting with bachelor degree in science

I see many comments about XZ everywhere. What I want to say is there are a lot better examples than him. People don't know these actors/actresses because they don't have a good opportunity as XZ did. He is good at interviews and his acting looks better than many young actors so far, but he also has a lot to improve, I wish he realizes that and I hope his company doesn't overly expose him and let him do some training. If you want to hear his own voice in his dramas, at least his ability to say lines need to meet the requirement of the Chinese audience. RN I want to see him playing more different roles so that we can tell if he deserves so much praise. The market and audience have been developing, they don't only focus on how they look anymore and actors/actresses with real acting skills are gaining more and more attention. That is why Zhou Dongyu and JY are so highly praised recently even tho their new work is in such a controversy.

@AvenueX123

4 жыл бұрын

XZ has a very bad company... wish him luck... and he needs A LOT OF WORK if he wanted to be a serious actor, first, lines... I can hear his CQ accent leaking through

@solm6533

4 жыл бұрын

XZ knows and admits in interviews that he's still new in acting and has lots of room for development and that he's working hard to get better. I remember reading that he was being coached by an acting teacher even while he was filming Douluo Continent. So I'm just waiting for his new work (DC and TOOL) to broadcast to see how it's working out. His company is trash, but he is smart and got himself a studio in which I hope/believe that he can choose his own work. At least for now, it shows that he's only picking up work that he likes/passionate about such as being One Piece movie ambassador or participate in program like The Song. If he keeps getting autonomy with picking his own work in the future, I'm not really worried about overexposure issue with him.

@MsHlovatefan

4 жыл бұрын

Ironically, Zhou Dongyu is from BFA while Jackson Yee is from CAD lol. Regardless of which school you attend, those who are born to be a good actor will be good at acting.

@bangchu3579

4 жыл бұрын

@@MsHlovatefan I know, if you read carefully enough you will know they are not what I meant "examples".

@bapyongukgukguk2352

4 жыл бұрын

@@AvenueX123 last time I was talking with another Chinese lady (she is a Hong Konger) that seems to have a lot of knowledge in Chinese Classics, actings etc... And she told me she does not think Xiao Zhan is a good actor and she even think Wang Yi Bo is worse. I am not chinese so I can miss a lot of stuff about who/what is good and who/what is bad. Therefore I rely on her a lot to pick a drama to watch. She told me a Young actor she really thinks got that "Xia" charms that a lot of good wuxia heroes displayed during HK entertainnent heydays is Zhang Ruo Yun. She thinks (like myself) he is really good and so far "Joy of Life" is great as well. But there is this other actor she feels is her cryptonite : Deng Lun. She finds him awful. In her opinion one of the biggest wastes of cdramaland is Yuan Hong

When you said "arts", of course you meant "humanities", but seeing that humanities' Bachelors and Masters degree have an "of Arts" (well, as long as you're not studying law) suffix in the title, because of the origin in the Septem Artes Liberales...

With western movies two key points to keep in mind:- 1 Western countries give up to 150% tax deduction for films & shows made, so for every $1 you get $1.50 off your tax bill. 2. Most western "movie stars" families buy's their role meaning every film has trouble raising the money to make the movie/show so when the parents cover the cost on the basis of our child will star in it... For the family it's a win/win - if the movie flops its a great tax deduction and if its successful it makes money and possibly their child career. Please watch Mel Brooks "The Producers" for a fun explainer. FYI its the same with Formula 1 and most motor sports.

Only If I can like this video second time.

That was so insightful. Looks like being a classically trained actor from Britain >>>>>>>>> a “classically” trained actor from China. What a shame.