Like the CEO of ASML, Peter Wennink said when reacting to American pressure on China : “The rules of physics are the same in China as they are in the US or the Netherlands”.

@santhoshsridhar5887

8 ай бұрын

The rules of physics are same enough that China probably won't be able to go further than 7N without EUV without it being extremely ineffective cost wise.

@Pmooli

8 ай бұрын

@@santhoshsridhar5887 It really does not matter

@dan-bz7dz

8 ай бұрын

@@santhoshsridhar5887 And when they do, you'l say the exact same thing for the newer version

@fatdoi003

8 ай бұрын

@@santhoshsridhar5887 next year when SMIC breaks 5nm, you'll come back and say that's their limit and back again @ 3nm.. etc etc technology isn't exclusive, some may hold patents for some but never all.... there're always many routes from A-B

@humpydumpy2432

8 ай бұрын

​​@@santhoshsridhar5887who know china already has EUV prototype

Man.. I remember find this channel back in 2020 when it had 15K subscribers. How far you’ve come along.

@Loseinpoker

8 ай бұрын

Same ! I think he had like a few thousand only

@DavidTrejo

8 ай бұрын

Yeah the channel blew up once they went to the 8nm process 😎

@j562gee0hdeewestsdegethemuLa

8 ай бұрын

Ya when I caught on was around 200k ish he doubled up in like a year or so

@mna7308

8 ай бұрын

When the mainstream media constantly spout fake news , these types of platforms grow further

@daniel_960_

8 ай бұрын

When I found the channel it made absolutely no sense. The discrepancy between subs and quality. Few thousand subs and the best content on diverse subjects. I have a talent for finding great channels early that later blow up. Unlucky I can't invest in them lol.

Korea is different from China. Korea gets the US's back up in winning against Japan semiconductor industry. American has feud on Japan's consumer electronics overwhelmed its market , so it struck back Japan by assisting Korea.

@delavan9141

8 ай бұрын

LOL.

@eltonho09

8 ай бұрын

You are right.

@user-qt9xd5xe7g

8 ай бұрын

Right

@Peichen01

8 ай бұрын

The US have been playing Japan vs Korea, Taiwan, the Netherlands against each other for the last 40 years. Japanese semiconductor industry is pretty behind the leaders now but the US picked Japan to collaborate on next generation semiconductor instead of Korea and Taiwan

@jeffhicks8428

8 ай бұрын

oh it's even worse. The US forced it's Japanese vassal to assist in industrializing Japan's own rival, Korea. And Japan does as it's told, like a good boy. Who's your daddy Japan? That's right. Daddy USA. What's more it's the US that mandated Japan's economy get stuck at 5T and stagnate for over a decade. it's only now that we have decided to let Japan become our antiChina counter balance that we agreed to let Japan reverse a bit of what was done with the plaza accords and grow beyond 5T. Anything bigger than 5T makes USA nervous.

I just noticed you referenced Jordan Schneider. Wasn't this the clown that's currently being trolled about how China's chip industry is totally dead a year or so ago? He also works in an industry that has an agenda and axe to grind. Not sure I'd be listening to what he had to say.

@peekaboopeekaboo1165

8 ай бұрын

I hope Asianometry guy isn't a closet-Falungong supporter.

@kennyyodune1727

8 ай бұрын

@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 I doubt it at the moment but he should at least perform some background checks. Schneider is clearly biased and almost all his content is ridiculing China and anything they do. If he's not ridiculing, he's attacking. A large amount of his work background revolves around attacking China. In that tweet people are now trolling him with, he was damn near giddy with happiness with how the West is attempting to hobble China's personal development. This is not the actions of someone who is on the level.

@mod4rchive

8 ай бұрын

@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 I dont think so. He just follows western media which is mostly anti-China because of US which props falun gong stuff and it shows

@UnChannelDuVulpineX

8 ай бұрын

@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 OK, wumao.

@Luvurenemy

8 ай бұрын

Who would you listen to?

LMAO Jordan Schneider. You mean the guy that said every single Chinese American researcher in the Chinese semiconductor industry resigned, annihilating it overnight? Mate, you sure you're credible?

@webboy998

8 ай бұрын

quote: "This is what annihilation looks like: China’s semiconductor manufacturing industry was reduced to zero overnight. Complete collapse. No chance of survival."

@bockcui5740

8 ай бұрын

@@webboy998 My guy was high on his own supply.

@jeffhicks8428

8 ай бұрын

The entire US elite is high on it's own supply at this point. What started out as narrative that was meant for public consumption, for the plebs has become ingested by the very elite. This is called a snake eating it's own tail and it's how you get a dark age. The US is in the early, emergent stages of a new dark age. Take that to the bank. Generations of cynical opportunism has birthed new generations of actual true believer nutjob. That's how this works. The elite is high on their own supply of made for public consumption lies. @@bockcui5740

@lylewarren4391

8 ай бұрын

yes im sure he's credible, jordan is a 50/50

8 ай бұрын

What a clown 🤡

My neighbour owns an orchard, and sells me apples. One day he tells me that he won't sell them to me anymore, because I've made a successful business selling apple pies that are better than his. I then go and take the seeds from the apples, and grow my own orchard. My neighbour then throws a tantrum and accuses be of stealing his apple seeds. He then refuses to sells me his strawberries...

@kulkrafts3143

8 ай бұрын

You do sound like a Chinese thief. If your neighbor’s Apple seed was patented or had a contract restricting your use of his seeds then your neighbor has rights, thieves don’t care about patents or contracts. But in Huawei’s case, even your apple pie used his recipe and his packaging. So your neighbor was kind to you for not suing you to stop selling his apple pie recipes. Only reason your neighbor doesn’t sue you in China is because Chinese judges like stealing technologies from other country and dismiss all IP theft cases against Chinese. I do understand it is hard to conceptualize what IP theft is coming from third world country with Bronze Age technology, but being stubborn about theft was taught to be unwise and punishable act by a confused sage 2500 years ago. Just because Chinese government says IP theft from foreign country is patriotic acts doesn’t make it so.

@tobiasrietveld3819

8 ай бұрын

A cutting-edge 200 million dollar lithography machine isn't the same as some apple seeds. Also China's orchard seems to have flooding issues lately.

@ascra1693

7 ай бұрын

Growing an apple tree from a seed can take 20 years before you get apples.. this makes no sense

@ic7481

7 ай бұрын

@@ascra1693 Allegory isn't to be taken absolutely literally - it is an illustration.

@parttimethinker7611

6 ай бұрын

Hahaha, Is this a real story?

"Big breakthroughs happen when what is suddenly possible meets what is desperately needed." -- Thomas Friedman

@johndoh5182

8 ай бұрын

They didn't have a breakthrough and this is pure propaganda. It won't be known about until the phone is dissected. We don't know who made the chips. The Chinese GOVT. announced this phone when the US secretary of state was there. HUAWEI DIDN'T announce it before it launched. Huawei has NEVER made anything original. They've stolen everything from Samsung or Apple or CISCO or Google or a handful of other companies. IF by chance a fab in China made these chips, very unlikely regardless of who says what, they made it using old tech. But it was already KNOWN one Chinese fab can do this. What they CAN'T do is make 7nm with a low defect rate, so it would typically be restricted to military applications because it won't be profitable to sell, but since the Chinese govt. is behind Huawei they'll subsidize it. China is the largest propaganda machine in the world.

@treeinafield5022

8 ай бұрын

​@@thelastofthehitachi972we're talking about semiconductors here lil bro

@Ilovecruise

8 ай бұрын

@@thelastofthehitachi972you know you are sick af when u bring non relevant topic here

@dfinlen

8 ай бұрын

​@@Ilovecruiseah who cares about the sick af genocide of the Uyghers as long as I have my shiny new phone.

@Anonymous------

8 ай бұрын

@@thelastofthehitachi972 There's more freedom and human rights under CCP than under your crazy "democratic" mafia "government".

The drive for EUV was based on economics: with multiple patterning you can make the same chips but at a higher cost.

@TheSolidsnake2001

7 ай бұрын

Qualcomm 8 gen 2 made of 5nm tech is said to be $160 and Kirin 9000s 7nm tech is using this 'higher cost' say it's +50% more than 8Gen2. So, the Kirin phone will be $80 more and most consumer especially the Chinese will have no problem paying $1080 for a $1000 Huawei phone and now it's a "satellite communication device".

@zenlei8258

7 ай бұрын

@@TheSolidsnake2001 This Huawei Mate Pro 60 have satellite communication mode by installing an subscription App. So you can get internet service in remote areas which is not reached by mobile network.

This video made me re-watch the "can you do 7nm without euv?" video you posted an year ago. It speaks to your in-depthness regarding semiconductors, and i can't overstate how much i respect your hard work and dedication. thank you. Edit: hey jon. Sorry for this stupid ass argument in the replies to this comment. I have no idea how it started.

@xinyiquan666

8 ай бұрын

no, all he said is NS

@NeostormXLMAX

8 ай бұрын

@@xinyiquan666he is heavily biased since he is taiwanese dpp supporter but he has some points

@johndoh5182

8 ай бұрын

There IS no good way to get to the transistor density of the likes of Samsung 7N, Intel 7, or TSMC N7 without EUV. There are only unprofitable ways. This is still the case. SMIC has been able to make something they SAY is equivalent (once again these are names) to the other companies' products they attach a "7" to and they have similar transistor densities, with their LOW DENSITY library, which is also important to understand and he didn't cover I don't think. There are different types of transistors that can be produced, and you can have the same transistor be in a low density and high density library. The name of the libraries should be self explanatory. If you clock something above a certain speed then the transistor would most likely come from the low density library and clocking something slow means it can be in a high density library. This is all part of the specs of a process node. It is almost certainly the case that SMIC can make something about the same as the other companies' low density library set for what they call their 7nm node, but they would have to use it for slower clock speed use cases, like a smart phone where clock speeds are much slower than a desktop or laptop computer with desktop being faster. You could also use it for AI training and many other use cases where you don't need the speed of a data server or desktop computer. Since Huawei is controlled by the CCP regardless of their lies (this phone launched without any warning, on the day the U.S. Secretary of Commerce arrived and was advertised on THAT day mostly with CCP members and one or two celebrities that use Apple phones, kind of laughable really), the CCP will subsidize it so even though it's not profitable to make a 7nm node without EUV using the same techniques ICs have been made for a few decades now, it will be made to look like they've done something great. But this has been the CCP's operating procedure for about 15 years now and has led to many noticeable failures. Make it look like they can do something great but the quality is always sub par.

@xinyiquan666

8 ай бұрын

@@johndoh5182 another pile of NS, all you said is about US companies, not huawei, there are only 3 companies in this world can do 7nm chip, TSMC, samsung and chinse SMIC, no others, US can not even do 48nm , let alone 7nm , all advanced chips in US are bought from taiwan, also samsung chips are taiwanese technology, their 5nm is only equal to 7nm , so far, only taiwan can make most advanced chip, followed by china

@kelanzhi7269

8 ай бұрын

@@johndoh5182傻比

Very few talked about SMIC hiring away some of the smartest engineers at TSMC, more than 250 of them in fact. So, with the people that know how, they have the breakthrough.

@meegz149

7 ай бұрын

@pwu8194 As someone who has worked for vendors in the chip industry for almost a decade, it amazes me that chip manufacturers simply don't just offer our best guys a half a million a year. Most of the knowledge to repair and troubleshoot equipment is only in a few people's heads.

@coldspring22

7 ай бұрын

Why would anyone with any brain want to live under CCP dictatorship and corruption? CCP can lock you up anytime under any pretense. Long live CCP! LOL

@ScoobieDoo-zy1rh

7 ай бұрын

@@coldspring22Taiwanese speak mandarin so it’s easy to work in mainland unlike any other country .

@wedmunds

7 ай бұрын

​@@ScoobieDoo-zy1rhnot to mention a lot of Taiwanese are still pro-china, unlike what the media suggests

@aglis_

7 ай бұрын

@@meegz149 In a oligarch capitalist society, only the top wealthiest continue to get raises see increases in profit while everyone else just has to deal with the consequences of inflation, bubbles, recessions. Don't like it? Try suggesting that CEOs should get paid less you'll just get ignored and get seen as a "commie". LOL

Fabulous coverage, so respectably balanced. Appreciate your work.

@freemanol

8 ай бұрын

So hard to see truth out there. Everything is propaganda

@ellowell8160

8 ай бұрын

I just like that he doesn't say WAHwei. Is it that hard to start a word with an H

@jeffjohnson5053

8 ай бұрын

I have actually been to china several times. And purchasing some of the electronics, sadly to say they are inferior. I kid you not. You are all free to go to Guangzhou, Shenzhen to their computer districts and buy products for yourself. As for this new china made phone, from South korean news, it is a copy of South Korean computer chips. How this china chip and phone will last compared to other nation's phones, only time will tell. Other china chip companies like Oppo failed, ZTE failed as well. So again, only time will tell is this new chip coped from 'South Korea will be a good product or not.

@johnsmith-cw3wo

8 ай бұрын

@@jeffjohnson5053 you know iPhone is made in China... also Xiaomi.

@chickenfishhybrid44

8 ай бұрын

​@johnsmith-cw3wo they don't design any of it.

I read news back then they say it takes 5 years to catch up 7nm, well it's just arround 3 years now. I hope this will be a good competitor.

@kinglee8160

7 ай бұрын

China will never let you feel disapointed as a competitor

Highly recommend reading the SCMP article: *"China's imports of Dutch chip-making equipment surged tenfold in November after Washington tightened restrictions"*

People don't understand the real breakthrough is the possible supply chain independence China gains from that. And how fast gaps can close.

@marcos-ll2yr

7 ай бұрын

China is freeing themselves from U.S and this is amazing I wish Brazil do the same thing but we are far behind

I suppose the main question here is whether Huawei's chiplet tech is able to produce results such that the lack of EUV ceases to become an insurmountable problem. I don't know how the physics will work out, but their engineers are clever, their motivation to bypass sanctions strong, and the resources they have to invest virtually unlimited. If the laws of physics allow for it, they're going to get results. Honestly, I wonder if the prohibitive cost (300 million US per machine) makes EUV all it's cracked up to be.

Speaking of LAM, I would love to see a video on them (I work on LAM equipment). There history, achievements and so on. Great video as always, keep up the good work.

@zr2ee1

8 ай бұрын

You could do a history of novellus before LAM bought them out

@hyy3657

8 ай бұрын

I prefer KLA

@user-xp5id1kh4r

8 ай бұрын

lam always poached all the guys from my friend's/our dept's plasma lab back when i was in grad school. They definitely have direct picks from most of the us's research labs and fund like half of their plasma research efforts

It’s a mature SMIC N+2 node with performance at least on par with Snapdragon 888 (Samsung 5nm) and the original Kirin 9000 (TSMC 5 nm) with GPU function appears locked on AnTuTu. I would have guessed using DUV SAQD but there are rumors they benefited from some early EUV elements. China has close to 100 1980Dxi’s with a domesticated part supply. Another rumor is SMEE will deliver its own DUV machine by year end that is equivalent to the 2000Di. The yield on the Kirin 9000s is now thought to be at least 80% if not 90% - if you FIB enough of them you can get statistics on CD and overlay. You need to adjust your timeline for “China speed”.

@gahnyun2016

8 ай бұрын

N+2 is just what they want you to believe, something they hide behind. A crude EUV is far better than N+2, which is likely what is really used.

I love the style and content. Did you ever contemplate having also a regular podcast with interviews?

Harvard Business review: "China cannot innovate"? Thank-you for clarifying my understanding of the Kirin 9000s. I always understood that one could produce a 7nm chip using DUV a process which I thought that TSMC had developed. But I thought that this process was not cost effective. Kudos to SMIC for making it economically feasible for their latest phone. .But this depends on DUV which, after 1/1/2024 will no longer be available per ASML. I suppose China will have to either manufacture their own DUV lithography or another process to come up with high performance chips. As it has said been before, "mother is the necessity of invention."

@edfhobbies556

8 ай бұрын

"innovate" meaning they mostly designed the chips inside and out, I've heard no one answer this question. Of course they can copy well, design most of the chip inside to out? .... nnnnn

@briancase6180

8 ай бұрын

Did anyone verify that these chips are being produced at a profit to smic? No? Then why are you presuming they can make a profit? I think it's unlikely that they are making money now. That doesn't mean they won't find a way, but it also doesn't guarantee that this process will ever be profitable.

@alexhajnal107

8 ай бұрын

@@edfhobbies556 China understands that they need to develop indigenous technology. Simply copying (as the Soviets did) or rebadging (as Russia is doing) leaves one vulnerable; developing the tech oneself is critical for tech independence even if that means taking rather longer to get to a similar level of technology.

@dex6316

8 ай бұрын

TSMC is using DUV on their N6 node. TSMC N7 and N7P were DUV while N7+ was EUV. It’s EUV that’s not very cost effective, so if you can make a node function well without it then you don’t want to use it. EUV becomes mandatory on 5nm class nodes and smaller.

@TheFirebird123456

8 ай бұрын

​@@briancase6180in many ways for this tech i dont think china cares if it is ever profitable.

This almost feels like a direct message to the government imploring them to take action

It’s no secret that China is almost done building their EUV.

Thanks, I was looking forward to your analysis on this. I knew a lot of it, did find out a few things I didn't know before too. So glad to see that my own internal analysis agreed with yours.

If China Can really make a 7nm chips. They can supply 99 % of the chips market by themselves.

@adaslesniak

8 ай бұрын

Limited amount of lithography machines, so no, they can't do it all. But then yes - except supercomputers, phones and cloud servers, desktop workstation, top gaming machines everything else is in their reach. As soon as they develop their own tools so they need not to import them for scaling up. And they do control output for most chips. Consumer doesn't care if his toy uses Chinese chip or Korean one, or Japanese, or American - consumer is barely aware that there are chips in products he buys - toys, fridges, washing machines, car sensors, abs controllers, light controllers, headphones, bluetooth speakers... millions and millions of stuff. They produce it, they decide what they will put inside.

@olibeau7955

8 ай бұрын

@@adaslesniak SMEE makes SMIC's DUV machines, they don't even depend on ASML anymore for lithography machines. So the amount of lithography machines will be meaningless soon since SMEE is funded by the Chinese government to produce as many machines as they can the soonest possible.

@timloo6191

8 ай бұрын

They will. Its a matter of time unless ang mohs wanna do gunboat diplomacy again. A repeat of what happen in 1848. Perhaps history will repeat again as ang mohs are the chosen one

@MichaelMantion

8 ай бұрын

Once they take control of the fabs on Formosa then they can make anything they want. Until the US bombs the fabs.. LOL

@johnsmith-cw3wo

8 ай бұрын

soon they will make 28nm with 100% chinese machines. - no need for ASML and other equipment.

Awesome content. Very informative 👍

As always, amazing information for us mortals. I work at the gas plants that supply the chip plants. Amazing to be involed in anyway I can.

@ntabile

8 ай бұрын

I guess: SoxalAir Liquid or...?

@tonglu3699

8 ай бұрын

God's honest work, it is.

@trobinson14kc

8 ай бұрын

Linde?

@kulkrafts3143

8 ай бұрын

ChatGPT, Bard, OpenAI or any others can give you better non-biased information than Asianometry. The information here are easy to understand but stained with slight CCP propaganda. Asianometry make it seems like evil America is controlling all corporations to punish hardworking China, but Japan, South Korea, Netherlands, England, Australia, France, Germany are all agreeing with America on China policy. That is why ASML, SK Hynix, Lam, SVG, Google, etc can not do business with China on some strategic equipments and materials. Australia reported another spying scheme by Huawei last month. Most technology journalists don’t report these because of CCP retaliation. Even Google doesn’t allow anti China KZreadrs to be monetized in many democratic countries due to CCP retaliation to their countries.

How ridiculous is it that China has to make every single part of the phone themselves?

@Fei_Ge

8 ай бұрын

It is also absurd that the United States banned TSMC from making chips for Huawei

@user-qp4eq1oj5r

8 ай бұрын

😂When you reach the critical point, you will find that you are omnipotent and no one can stop you from doing anything

@russelfang7434

8 ай бұрын

You should be curious about why US always gets so much hysteria on China's tech progression.

TechInsights, an Ottawa-based information platform on the semiconductor industry, said in a report that it had analyzed the new phone and found evidence of a made-in-China design and the use of a 7-nanometer technology that is a milestone for the Chinese chip industry.

@hyy3657

8 ай бұрын

that's faster then we expected!

@sean70729

8 ай бұрын

Damn my 2020 Xbox has a 7nnm CPU.😂

@dekumutant

8 ай бұрын

Boy this reads like a bot comment

@anglohan5428

8 ай бұрын

Free Tibet, free Hong Kong, free Uigher

@hyy3657

8 ай бұрын

@@anglohan5428 those has nothing to do with tech.

Was just waiting to hear your thoughs on this topic... 👍🏾

We've had many issues with the OpenGL drivers on the Mate. They used the desktop reference drivers so it reports the wrong values. It has 16 texture units but reports 256... etc.

By far the most comprehensive,unbiased journalism. Not picking any sides just pure hard facts. Keep up your good work. Been your avid subscribers for years. Always the best documentary coverage

@araujofi

7 ай бұрын

There is no such thing as unbiased journalism, all journalism has a side, even if it doesn't seem like it

@SiroccoSeven

7 ай бұрын

@@araujofi factual reporting. Shares both sides of personal comment. No defamation. You will notice the difference in experience watching news and pure documentary. One brews sensation. The later reports what happens.

@araujofi

7 ай бұрын

Putting American sanctions as something "hmm, that's just a detail" is literally choosing a side... like I said, everyone chooses a side, even if the person doesn't know, it's always subtle. Just as HSJ made a playlist of videos like "the trade war between China and the US", it's completely documentary and factual? yes, but they put up narratives as if China wanted a war or that the US didn't start with the sanctions and trying to boycott them. This is choosing a side, the narrative hides this.@@SiroccoSeven

@tweedy4sg

7 ай бұрын

@@SiroccoSeven may be factual but with inaccurate fact.

@SiroccoSeven

6 ай бұрын

well, you've got to give him the benefit of a doubt@@tweedy4sg

While everyone has covered this, it was your video I've been waiting for. Thank you.

The most obvious form of western propaganda I've seen on KZread are those "china insider" videos. I like that you are dipping into current events, it gives me a better perspective from someone that has a history of being generally trustworthy/nonbias. Don't let the haters get to you.

@NotASeriousMoose

6 ай бұрын

Western propaganda?! They are literally Chinese people in exile.

I "remind you" Huawei has a large 5G patent portfolio and the largest 6GG patent portfolio, and Qualcomm would like to sell their leading edge SOCs fabricated at TSMC Taiwan but US restriction prohibit that, so they won't be suing Huawei in any case.

Thanks for your videos, man. They are well-researched pieces which tell complex and detailed stories in an accessible way, and I don't see another channel in this field maintaining this balance of depth, detail and accessibility. It's criminal that the algorithm hasn't sent them stratospheric yet, but it's surely only a matter of time.

@Dr.Kay_R

8 ай бұрын

Nah. The intelligent audience he targets is pretty small. He is getting 90% of the views he can get from KZread. Some of his videos were a hit. But that audience didn't stay to watch his other videos. average views on his videos are pretty constant. That probably means they all are repeated dedicated viewers like us. GenZ kids with low attention span, can't really watch a PowerPoint lecture these days. Write a comment longer than 2 sentences and they'll start to roll their eyes. :p

@dice138

8 ай бұрын

@@Dr.Kay_R You are pretty accurate about the Gen Z kids🤣🤣🤣

@alexanderducat5618

8 ай бұрын

@@Dr.Kay_R The reaction to Perun's videos gives me hope though

Well said. Your audio sounded echoed initially, got better later.

what a no nonsense, straight talk channel! 👍👍👍👍👍

I would be very surprised if EUV gets to the point where it can obviate the need for 193i litho on current and future nodes. The best way that EUV is being used currently is to reduce the number of masks needed in the densest, most complex patterns. Intel detailed that use in their VLSI paper on Intel 4, where they noted that without EUV, Intel 4 would have required ~30% more masks than Intel 7. However with EUV, it requires ~20% fewer masks than Intel 7. So at Intel 4, that's a 50% mask count savings by using EUV. Of course, the limiting factor is the power of the EUV laser, and while ASML is working hard to increase the power of the laser, as you've covered in previous videos, but I still have my doubts regarding how much they'll be able to increase the power of the laser given how intricate their process of shooting a tin droplets 50000 times per second is. And with EUV, it seems to always be a trade-off between stochastic defects and throughput. Increase the exposure time and you'll decrease the stochastic defects, but your throughput will tank. Or do the opposite. Even as the EUV source increases in power, between the potential for increased mirror count (with the current count of 11, ~98% of the EUV light is absorbed before it even hits the wafer...) and the potential for a required increase in dose due to future nodes requiring tighter features, I can imagine a future where throughput barely (if ever) increases due to all the factors working against it. That said, I have very little knowledge depth in the field overall, so maybe there are big changes in the works to increase uptime, increase power, and increase reflection or the like to dramatically increase throughput.

@user-tm4ne4vf1u

8 ай бұрын

Mirror design is probably already limited by the laws of physics. It was brought once on the channel, a free electron laser generating EUV might be the next big thing (or maybe not)

@honkhonk8009

8 ай бұрын

this the shit niggas saying in the youtube comment sections followed by "I have little knowledge depth in the field" No other platform is on the same level.

Very interesting! From your previous videos, we know it's possible to use multimasking techniques for DUV lithography to get to these nodes. So SMIC has brute force the process then. And it seems they still have the license to use the software for silicon layout. But they are then restricted to the current Arm cores and cannot get the latest core architecture. Question is performance wise, can they keep up even if they can go down to 5nm.

@rabbitazteca23

8 ай бұрын

only time will tell. I am betting on their innovation. When the world is against you, you can only go up

@Grak70

8 ай бұрын

You can brute force a lot of things. We still don’t know what their yield or cost is. I expect it’s pretty poor. Not particularly problematic for SMIC, they can just dip into public money to make up for it until those things improve.

@ZxZ239

8 ай бұрын

@@Grak70 And what do you think they will be stuck with the tools they have forever? It is only matter of time they produce their own DUV and EUV. Then what? Even more sanctions?

@Grak70

8 ай бұрын

@@ZxZ239 I never said any such thing. Stop being so defensive.

@TheReferrer72

8 ай бұрын

@@ZxZ239 Its not a matter of time if they have only there own market to sell into.

7:00 I think your past video mentioned about Japan is the only supplier of silicon wafers for advance nodes chip manufacturing ?

Excellent Work! Thank you!

Thank you for the balanced analysis.

Excellent information! I like your disclaimers at the beginning. Thanks!

Come back and do a follow up when you have more information.

Discovered you a while back and figured I would let you know how amazing your channel is! You have a great insight!🎉

I’ve been waiting for this video.

@mikestewart4752

6 ай бұрын

So one month later and the reports indicated that this chip likely isn’t even 7nm. It’s older and overclocked to appear faster. Total junk, just like we all knew it would be. Shocker!

@mikestewart4752

Ай бұрын

6 months later and this phone went nowhere. It likely never really existed as a product. Everything is fake in communist China.

Late December 2023 information finally have proven that SMIC were able to stockpile EUV machines from ASML before the sanctions went into effect and that Huawei received intellectual property know-how through multiple subsidiaries incorporated in the USA that receive US know-how.

There's also the subsidiaries too to consider that design promate 60 chip I believe

I wonder what software they used to design the semiconductor. And did someone said it's an ARM based processor? I thought that was licensed .

@botdcypher

8 ай бұрын

RISC-V

@vlhc4642

8 ай бұрын

Yeah Huawei wrote their own EDA software for this too. And ARM is licensed by ARM-China, which is legally forbidden on creation to have any American shareholders.

@saahan-nn1fe

8 ай бұрын

Huawei subsidiary SMIC apparently already has the ability to design its own chips

@fredfunn5413

8 ай бұрын

SMIC is not a Huawei subsidiary@@saahan-nn1fe

@drtracking

8 ай бұрын

@@botdcypher HiSilicon, who manufactures tells it's ARM v8.2A based. Huawei used Synopsys. Using RISC V ( Open Platform ) would involved a total redesign of the operating system and all the libraries. Therefore Huawei has to give the code to the public, and they are not very "Open" about it.

I had a Huawei phone 5 years ago and it was absolutely amazing for 200 dollars and i still miss many of its features going back to Samsung.

@Sniperboy5551

8 ай бұрын

Do you also miss being spied on?

@fullmetaltheorist

8 ай бұрын

I had a 200 dollar Huawei and it was horrible. The screen died very fast and the battery lost its charge relatively quick. My brother's phone did the same. Now we are using Samsung again and we are happy with them.

@VioletPrism

8 ай бұрын

​@Sniperboy5551 now I get spied on by the NSA instead what's the difference?

@VioletPrism

8 ай бұрын

@Sniperboy5551 worth it for how good the camera was really lol

@OccultDemonCassette

8 ай бұрын

​@@Sniperboy5551you're being spied on no matter who produces the communication device. Remember that whole Edward Snowden document leak thing? It doesn't matter what country you're in - American tech is spying on you.

Excellent analysis

What about sub-1v semi conductor technology? Is it advancing?

The 7nM refers to the smallest feature size or trace size.

@cuifrank5905

7 ай бұрын

no, in finfet era this nm represents none of that

Forgive me the ignorance, but using DUV does not intail that you have to use double patterning at every step and thus having your chips taking longer and being way more expensive? Or is the higher yield enough to compensate for it?

@lubricustheslippery5028

8 ай бұрын

It's definitely pros and cons with DUV and EUV. Double patterning for DUV. Then the EUV machines is very expensive and probably also very expensive to run. The EUV will probably win out the smaller the process gets. So smaller cheaper and slower machines or bigger more expensive and faster machines.

@yoshyoka

8 ай бұрын

@@dalangwudalang2596 Last I checked (today) all Chinese fabs are still using ASML units. Not only that, what you say makes no sense: you cannot scale up a litography machine and still print the same wafers.

@nickl5658

8 ай бұрын

@@yoshyoka What the guy is saying is China has cracked the EUV light source issue. Rather than irradiating tin droplets with high-energy CO2-laser to generate EUV light, the chinese are using a synchrotron to generate the co-laminar EUV light. They intend to build a facility that runs multiple lithography machines (hence factory) using the EUV light generated by a 0.5km to 1km snchroton (hence giant).

@yoshyoka

8 ай бұрын

@@nickl5658 Well, no, that is not what he is saying at all, at least, it was not mentioned anywhere in the video.

Very interesting topic!

Why no details about the chips performance vs the 5nm chip on the old phones or vs other 7nm phone chips?

Love your amazing videos. They’re like an entire lecture on chips and history combined

Fun fact, the picture that you showed at 09:48 is the front gate of SMIC fab1 and fab8 and you can see the northeast hall on the left, which is not allowed to enter for lower league employees, any engineer does that gets a HL.

@yensteel

8 ай бұрын

HL? Half life?

@armyofninjas9055

8 ай бұрын

​@@yensteelhand-lick

@applesb3507

8 ай бұрын

@@yensteel Highlights. If you get enough of these, your expected career life will be reduced by half

@MouliSankarS

8 ай бұрын

​@@applesb3507 It is Half Life then, for thier career.

at micron boise in the early 90s we repurposed epoxy die attach machines to be eutectic bond machines, lots of changes but old machines proved reliable and cheap

What's the image at 11:03 showing? Clearly they are FinFETs using the classic gate on 3 sides of the fins, which of course is pumping current through the channel via 6 fins (with all the usual benefits of surface area, electrostatic control and other characteristics), but where are the interconnects? Oh, I think I just answered my own question. That surface the gates are sitting on is actually NOT the wafer surface (i.e. not a semiconducting layer), it's actually an insulation layer (whether dioxide, PSG, or whatever), which means the interconnects are buried/hidden underneath that insulation layer, which is why the interconnects are not visible? LOL, yeah I think that's the answer to my own question ... about how the FETs were powered.

Further, I have to ask, why on earth would China care what Qualcomm's patent lawyers think? All of the relevant companies involved are already sanctioned backwards, forwards, and sideways by the US government. And I have a highly unpopular opinion: IP in any technology that is "strategic" is already worthless. ASML is toast, because the USA decided their tech was strategic and forced them to not sell. So China has every incentive to tell their companies to copy or beat the tech, and the Chinese Government itself will have their back. ASML and Qualcomm can both be told to go pound sand. The USA will have about as much luck pushing this as they would have had suing the Soviet Union (or China for that matter) for "stealing" nuclear weapons tech. Physics is physics, and China can and is throwing more money and people at the problem than the West can collectively put together, so its over. There will be Chinese lithography machines and chip design tools, and the cat will be completely out of the bag.

@smoke5985

5 ай бұрын

precisely. this tech war on china is a fools errand and everyone but chinese citizens are going to lose out because of ill advised american policy

A lot of americans huffing copium in the comments.

@delavan9141

8 ай бұрын

Really? I haven't seen any, unless you mean the ones calling the claims false and CCP propaganda.

@bronsondixon4747

8 ай бұрын

What a straw man BS comment. I’m American and not huffing copium. Taiwan is the leader in semiconductor fabrication and both mainland China and Taiwanese are the same people. China was always capable of doing this, it’d be foolish to think otherwise. I don’t think this changes much though. The CCP leadership has made an enemy of the rest of the world. This just kicks off an arms race. You don’t think Taiwan is going to work with more urgency now? The path of mainland China is set, it’s in decline already whether or not they can make chips that are 6 years behind.

@OccultDemonCassette

8 ай бұрын

​@@delavan9141yes, those are the copium claims.

@Luvurenemy

8 ай бұрын

Americans should treat this as another Sputnik moment. Competition from the Communist Party of China is healthy for the Free World. The CCP is doing what any rational actor would do. I don’t fault them at all for their technology theft and innovations. This advancement helps us realize why we value our freedoms and must invest in innovation or die at the hands of the Communist Party of China. Sanctions are a delaying tactic at best and motivate your competitors/enemies at worst. If a technology is useful enough it eventually leaks out. History is full of examples. This event should force the Free World to innovate beyond this current technology paradigm. What is the next paradigm? We went from vacuum tubes to the integrated circuit during the Cold War. What technology will this new Cold War 2.0 produce? Exciting times. Game on!

I was waiting for this

If 7 nm, 5 nm and other apparently size specific data does not depict half the length of gate separation (broadly indicating size of transistors) then how does this marketing terminology come into play. Does it adhere to some level of size?

@-danR

8 ай бұрын

It's the best feature-resolution, the smallest item-dimension that can be consistently produced on the chip

The most annoying thing about the chip dilemma China is going through is why haven't they copied the VSLI project or Sematech? We know Huawei, SMEE etc. Are working on chip technology but atleast from what is publicly known there doesn't seem to be much cooperation between these tech companies. Kinda looks like an "every man for himself" situation within the chip pipeline in China.

@vlhc4642

8 ай бұрын

More like it kinda looks like they understand operational security when fighting a tech war, whereas Americans don't.

@lance8080

8 ай бұрын

@@vlhc4642 Chinese copy everything the West makes but much more poorer made. 🇨🇳

@_Chad_ThunderCock

8 ай бұрын

@@vlhc4642 it stifles innovation tho, even if it improves security

@_Chad_ThunderCock

8 ай бұрын

@@anglohan5428 huh?

@lance8080

8 ай бұрын

@@_Chad_ThunderCock close down Wuhan CCP bio labs 🇨🇳

You said in South Korean vedio, the amount of equipment import(over 80%) and patent deal that they made while doing catch up to Japan. How big of a problem that part would be for China. And there is some, how much a delay lack of equipment import might cause??

@hughmungus2760

8 ай бұрын

I suspect the equipment that goes into chinese semiconductors other than the lithography machines themselves is alot easier to substitute

@GTFO_0

8 ай бұрын

Not much i think...China Does have capacity to create its homemade things and like he said it will just be matter of weeks beofre usa impose another sanctions and china develops another way tonit😂😂😂

great information! 👍 Thanks!!

Really didn't see this coming...

It’s probably an Imagination derived gpu. I also don’t understand why this is a surprise. What might be surprising is if they are using newer arm ip.

@Guywith2usernames

8 ай бұрын

The real surprise will come from china's homegrown risc-v ISA, OpenXiangshan. Probably the last generation of huawei phones with any arm IP at all.

@JimFeig

8 ай бұрын

@@Guywith2usernames That's not really homegrown when someone else came up with the base IP. And the software isn't fully fleshed out yet. It's getting there bit by bit they add more to the Linux kernel.

Update: it might be 5nm chips. On 9/25, Huawei released a system software displays Huawei Mate 60 Pro specs. And it shows 5nm chip set in the system status. But Huawei is quiet about it. No official confirmation. It creates a lot of buzz last week. Let's see how it plays out in coming days. If it is really 5nm, that means China is ON PAR with Western chip technology. The so called 3nm chip that Apple claims to use for iPhone 15 is only using 3nm technology for a small portion of the chip. 5nm chip is the really leading-edge production at scale.

@strigoiu13

7 ай бұрын

i think it is a 0nm chip. how about that :))

The insidiousness of thinking NO ONE can do it without you or that they need your permission to do something. Trying to block others from succeeding and then getting shocked when, against all odds, they succeed on their own, without any need of your help and in fact, despite your best efforts to make them fail… That in every day life we call a HATER!

Here we go. I was ignoring the headlines, waiting for this.

Loved my Huawei P20 pro, it kept up with the competition for over 5 years. Never got slower, battery life stayed good and camera was amazing. I would've stayed with Huawei if they still had Google. For now I have switched to Samsung S23 Ultra, which is impressive.

@KuangTu

8 ай бұрын

I hope one day Huawei can have android on their phones again. They are good phones, it's just almost unusable outside of China with their own system at the moment.

@mactep1

8 ай бұрын

@@KuangTu They still have android, just their own flavor of it based on the android open source project, where they cant include google services due to sanctions, though there are workarounds for this if you really want to.

@KuangTu

8 ай бұрын

​@@mactep1 Thanks for the info. It's just very inconvenient or difficult for less tech savvy consumer to go through to get the phone with the google services they need.

@jesperburns

8 ай бұрын

I stopped buying Chinese brands for geopolitical reasons. Are there Chinese parts in other phones? Sure.

@matneu27

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately it's not only Google, some China only phones also can't handle security systems for banking and /or can't play western streaming services like Netflix in full resolution iv heard in case of actual Huawei phones. At least unusable if you want more than taking good pictures and do some random calls.

Love your bit at 13:21 South Korean catching up to Japan and eventually decimating them at their own industry. And history will repeat itself if the rabbit becomes too lazy, the turtle catches up eventually. Why western world thinks science works differently in China is beyond me, with how much China has been throwing into R&D for the past decades, I am not surprised they have caught up and also forged ahead in certain sectors.

@MrSpiritmonger

6 ай бұрын

It's policy wonks that don't understand how technology works.

I remembered you talked about 7nm does not have to use the EUV in the past. However, for 5nm or lower, are the EUV must have? If China can not have EVU from ASML then can they still achieve 5nm or lower? any thoughts? Thanks.

@OccultDemonCassette

8 ай бұрын

DUV can produce 5nm with a little wiggle room. Probably 4.5nm. They should be able to have a 5nm node within the next two years.

@zombielinkinpark

8 ай бұрын

@@OccultDemonCassette DUV already can produce 2nm GAA transistors in lab setting. Being able to produce doesn't mean it can manufacture efficiently, especially the yield go down and numbers of masks it requires can go up quickly.

@OccultDemonCassette

8 ай бұрын

@@zombielinkinpark true. We'll just have to see what they can manage to pull off with it.

@ZxZ239

8 ай бұрын

even if they don't have EUV, then there is 1000% chance they already have thousands of engineers working on it as we speak.

@Headphones.on.Seals.

2 ай бұрын

@@zombielinkinparkHuawei cooperated with SMIC and a couple of state-owned research institutes, universities as well as Chinese companies is developing next generation VGAAFET process. It is believed they can make it within 1-3 years.

Thank you for the video, excellent work, as usual. ❤

@hg2.

8 ай бұрын

Why does he say "we" when speaking of advances that benefit the Chinese Communist Party?

@fredfunn5413

8 ай бұрын

Because he is secretly a CCP member? Is that what you want to hear? Or maybe he is just anti-American, anti-hegemony, anti-bullying? @@hg2.

This is huge news. Thanks. Great work.

@zes3813

3 ай бұрын

wrrrg

Asianometry isn't about furthering ideology, its furthering facts as they present themselves at the time. You'd be hard pressed to find an equal media content with such attention to technology, as a computer scientist, Asianometry is the best source of information free from bias. This is much appreciated!

@mod4rchive

8 ай бұрын

Asianometry is definetly biased; just look at non technology videos

@xblade11230

8 ай бұрын

Asianometry is biased, he is pro taiwan and anti china, and lives in Taiwan he makes his anti china bias very clear

@xblade11230

8 ай бұрын

​@Anonymous------ Lol he is biased he was a silicon valley engineer, family is taiwan descended and now works in taiwan

@cryptocsguy9282

8 ай бұрын

@@xblade11230 really ? I thought he was just a random tech guy on the internet ngl

@xblade11230

8 ай бұрын

@cryptocsguy9282 look at his older videos, you can go to his channel and sort by older videos , it's all antichina , he has done interviews, podcasts, zoom discussions, guest speaking where once in awhile he can't help but let his anti china bias slip and has revealed his identity. It's only recently in the last couple of years did he start pretending to be unbiased and impartial as his youtube channel started taking off and he changed from being a anti china youtuber to a semi youtuber

solid, thank you!

I dont even know why they are marketing a 'phone chip'. The future is a single silicon (or germanium) object that is the whole device. Removing individual chips, the display, the battery, the CPU, communications, memory are all part of the same layed down silicon.

On Oct 14 2022 Jordan Schneider said: "This is what annihilation looks like: China’s semiconductor manufacturing industry was reduced to zero overnight. Complete collapse. No chance of survival." Asianometry: 'Thanks Jordan for your thoughts'.

@anglohan5428

8 ай бұрын

Free Tibet, free Hong Kong, free Uigher

@catonpillow

8 ай бұрын

@@anglohan5428 Indeed, Tibet, Hong Kong and Xinjiang are free. You are correct! :)

@yoyolim538

8 ай бұрын

@@anglohan5428 Free Yourself - stop torturing yourself

@umarjongi3590

7 ай бұрын

@@anglohan5428Free Puerto Rico, Free Hawaii, Free Guam

@anglohan5428

7 ай бұрын

@@catonpillow No they are not free from Chinese occupation

China has such a strong electronics industry, it will be interesting to see how far they can go "in-house". Perhaps exports out of China would be challenged by trade barriers and intellectual property challenges. Regardless, international tech businesses may lose their share in the Chinese market. You can bet the chip, equipment, and consumer goods companies around the world are in some level of panic. I hope this all sorts itself out and everyone wins.

@delavan9141

8 ай бұрын

LOL China hasn't made any chip breakthroughs (they steal others' intellectual property as they do in every other field) and is currently 5 years behind. They aren't making 7nm chips.

@user-ln1gv1bc6q

8 ай бұрын

I bet we can see a redefinition of "international" in near future.

@stefanodadamo6809

8 ай бұрын

Keeping markets reasonably open, instead of closing them histerically, might do the trick.

@VaioletteWestover

8 ай бұрын

I think it will become increasingly more and more difficult for the U.S. to justify its racist sanctions because we tolerated their "national defense" angle because okay whatever, but if they keep trying to block China outside their own country after China has proven that they can and will overcome U.S. sanctions, it becomes undeniable that the U.S. just doesn't want China to succeed which becomes morally untenable for anyone with a conscience to justify. Like how is the U.S. going to justify blocking other countries from buying SMIC products for example? They can't because it's stupid and I hope countries justifiable laugh in their faces.

@seiyachan

8 ай бұрын

The US doesn't want everyone to win, they just want China to lose and they win (scrap national security, it's big corp lobbying), at the cost of loss to everyone else.

At least new Huawei phone can breath new air in the stagnet phone market, we haven't seen any real innovation for last 4 years.

Hideous looking camera arrangement on that phone !

"China's going to collapse in the next 2 weeks" , said the increasingly nervous man for the 46th time in the past 2 years.

Mater artium necessitas Necessity is the mother of invention 需要乃發明之母

+1 for your re-introduction of the ancient word "kerfluffle" in the first 30-seconds of the vid.

Great work as usual, thanks! Nice to see your sub's growing; much deserved.

When even Asianometry acknowledges that mainland China has a breakthrough, you had better believe it does. Edit: I am from mainland China and was not fully convinced until this video...

@traderboi2662

8 ай бұрын

Must have been painful! 😂

@iszotope

8 ай бұрын

Wondering if this would signal to the US that their tech sanctions against China would go hardcore mode..

@Unforseenak

8 ай бұрын

Its CCP CCCP alliance propaganda, they either stole the technology, put a 7nm sticker on 14 nm or it doesn't exist.

@Jake-om9no

8 ай бұрын

@@traderboi2662 I do not agree. I think Asianometry has been quite fair about China's progress

@peekaboopeekaboo1165

8 ай бұрын

​@@Jake-om9no Asianometry guy is a Nip-phile .

Hearing your great review of CN hitting 7nm, I can't help but think of the trouble that some of their customers of military weaponry have had with reliability and other problems. Does their progress to this node predict the South Korea path or will it not quite work out that way. I guess only time will tell.

@sumyamchi

8 ай бұрын

I'm a little confused by what he meant by the South Korea path. South Korea made a typical technology catchup and then surpassing, which is normal in every technology. Did he mean something different that S.Korea did or is he just assigning this normal process to South Korea?

@ChiefBridgeFuser

8 ай бұрын

@@sumyamchi He's got some previous video on the subject.

The Kitty 9000S sure seems to purr quite nicely!...

Once the genie is out of the bottle there is no putting it back.

Thanks for your unbiased review of China's new 7nm chip. Aside from Bloomberg, Nikkei, and CNA, there hasn't been much coverage of it outside China and Taiwan. It feels weird for a supposedly breakthrough achievement.

@kennyyodune1727

8 ай бұрын

That's how you know it's 100% legit. That and all the lower channel Sinophobes are saying it's garbage PLUS mainstream media not covering it. Once it hits both of these criteria, you know the report is accurate.

@vueport99

8 ай бұрын

Well there's one thing we're now certain of, the chip was made using imported tech. This was a very good show of force to the Americans. In showing that despite all the sanctions, money talks. They were still able to find ways around getting the machines and buying productions.

@kennyyodune1727

8 ай бұрын

@@vueport99 Like the Grand Canyon, good things always take time. In a little bit, China will be fully domestically produced. A bit after that, 2nm. A bit further and...

@SmileyBMM

8 ай бұрын

​@@vueport99sanctions are ineffective? Wow, who could've guessed...

@HeroDai2448

8 ай бұрын

it’s not that big of a deal. They are years behind and they can’t produce EUV machines and even if they make them ASML is decades ahead of them since they will already start shipping high-NA machines

iPhone 15, 20w super fast charge, buy the cables and connectors separately, 60hz screen brush, 3nm, no one has tested and disassembled it yet, the starting price is over 1,000 US dollars for 256g, there is no innovation except digital changes and price changes. Huawei mate60pro, Kirin 7nm chip, measured close to 5nm, has satellite phone function. Satellite phones on the market start at least 1,000 US dollars, 100x optical zoom, you can freely make calls and take photos in the water, 88w super fast charge, 120hz high refresh rate , can crack walnuts, and the price is less than 1,000 US dollars for 256g. So it is not difficult for everyone to compare and find the answer. From my professional perspective, Apple is a mobile phone that harvests idiots.

Just the video I've been waiting for

About 3 nm, a lot of media from the Western Europe and the US are saying that Qualcomm has trouble with that process. Idk if it is true, but news appeared on my chrome mobile browser. Also that MediaTek beat Qualcomm at the 3 nm race. Probably targeted news, because , for some reason people often ask me about the phones with the different budget constraints and I am looking for ones that have Qualcomm processor (Bad expirance with MediaTek power Asus tablet back in a days)

@hououinkyouma1458

8 ай бұрын

TSMC produces that node not Qualcomm

@davidk.d.7591

8 ай бұрын

Neither Qualcomm nor MediaTek fabs chips. They both design chips made by TMSC

@w0lfgm

8 ай бұрын

That is why I wrote a targeted article

Aside from not knowing the yield, not knowing the cost is just as important. MP lithography for layers that should use EUV is stupidly expensive.

Jordan Schneider tweeted on Oct 14 2022 "This is what annihilation looks like: China’s semiconductor manufacturing industry was reduced to zero overnight. Complete collapse. No chance of survival." LMAO

8 ай бұрын

He's a total clown 🤡😅

@genbond7459

8 ай бұрын

Fancy meeting you here Sultan Carl Zhah🤣

@MithunOnTheNet

8 ай бұрын

Oh look, a CCP propaganda 🐕on a platform banned in Mainland China by his own employers.

Huawei designed both cpu Cores and GPU cores for this phone. Later down the líne they could license the GPUs for chinese graphics cards

@WaterZer0

8 ай бұрын

Probably won't impact the gaming market, but they can definitely use em for AI. I'm assuming that's what you had in mind here as the US would just ban the import of those if they were a threat to current companies.

@Sammyli99

8 ай бұрын

bye bye Nivada.

@williamyf

8 ай бұрын

Nah, most likely licensed the IP from PowerVR, like Innosilicon and MooreThreads did with their "Chinese Graphics Cards" a while ago. Still, no small feat from Huawei to get that iGPU stack working.

@diegoantoniorosariopalomin9979

8 ай бұрын

​@@williamyfAs far as we know, this particular GPU was designed by Huawei

@williamyf

8 ай бұрын

@@diegoantoniorosariopalomin9979 tranquilo papaaá, tan solo deja que pase un tiempito y veras... fuerte a puya a que ese GPU es, bien sea PowerVR, o una variacion de Mali pichada con esterioides por parte de Huawei....

I was waiting for this video 😅

so that thing on the thumbnail is not an iPod