They should have done a recall for the Shift To Park issue

@mdye.04

14 күн бұрын

Typical Chevy

I have a 2016 malibu 160k miles.and so far no problems... hope keep going ok for a while. 🤔🤔

@unkown1x234

7 ай бұрын

How is it holding up 10 months later

@deadlysqueakerad6797

7 ай бұрын

Mine has 190k and that’s when everything started to fuck up. So gl

@deadlysqueakerad6797

7 ай бұрын

Well mines a 2014

@NolimtEast

5 ай бұрын

Na 140k all kinds of problems engine power reduction, & white smoke when start up smh

These cars out here causing trauma and anxiety 😩

@OhYoBad

Жыл бұрын

all facts

@anthonycastro1232

5 ай бұрын

Truth

@dinyahisrael401

Ай бұрын

Omg and I already deal with enough plz just do right already 🙄

@Gaynors2023

Ай бұрын

facts. definitely trading it in

@TONYFROMFL

5 күн бұрын

@@dinyahisrael401right

i own a 2017, was dealing with the shift to park issue- now im dealing with the i-was-rear-ended-and-now-it’s-totaled issue

@patrickflohe7427

2 ай бұрын

Shift to Park is a nothing issue, and easy to fix. Until you get it done, just snap the release button on the shifter with your finger.

Just like they say in Fight Club, automotive industry knows about these problems but doesn't do anything to remedy their issues

@operator91210

Жыл бұрын

You never buy the first year of anything because that's when the manufacturers uses the general public as their test mules to see what they can and can't get away with

Yep, dealing with the shift to park issue, also had to replace the accelerator thing. Experienced the lost of power while on the highway

@EJ_Kicks27

4 ай бұрын

Did you need to replace transmission?

Currently renting a 2021 with the CVT, 15K miles. It's developed a metallic chirping sound at speed in gear. It goes away in neutral and quiets down when I pull lightly on the shift lever.

U just helped my whole life suffering from engine reduce now

Thanks needed this

Thanks so much

The worst of problems with mine was a failure of the PCV (positive crankcase valve). The PCV used to be a cheap $15 item that you could plug and unplug in the valve cover. It is now built into the valve cover and is non-replaceable. When it fails, a new $1500 valve cover is required. The fuel injectors also have to be reworked. With labor, expect $2500 plus. 57,000 miles. Totally incompetent engineering. Totally crass disregard for the people that have purchased the vehicle. I have also gone through several gas pedals and a catalytic heater heat exchanger. $1600 and the only thing wrong was a $20 solenoid valve controlling water flow through it failed. Only sold as a $900 assembly. No longer have any loyalty to GM.

My 2020 malibu 2.0t premier just started accelerating on its own last night that’s why I am here. It’s still on warranty and Chevy took it to the dealership. I honestly don’t want it back it terrorized me

@dashtyATG

2 жыл бұрын

Shit cars

@scootabean

Жыл бұрын

Can you explain further? And what ended happening as this comment is old

Also on the 2016 model, there's NO trunk access if the vehicle loses electricity and battery charge completely. You can't pull down the back seat and there's no key hole access from the outside. If your jumper cables are in the trunk, they're as good as locked in a metal safe.

@vansmoken4172

11 ай бұрын

Learned this the hard way. everyone thought I was not looking right

@_NoodlesMedia_

10 ай бұрын

Technically there is a way (on my 2017 at least) It's a pain in the ass but with a long flathead screwdriver you can find the bracket that holds the rear seat in place, put the screwdriver blade between the two plates of the bracket and push in either direction until you pop the latch and the seat drops

@handheldnintendofan

4 ай бұрын

I hate how all new cars removed trunk key holes seems like driver doors still have one so you can get in if something happens what about the trunk though? You're screwed 😂

@Slickpuller921

4 ай бұрын

You can pull down back seats, I have my 2016 ls model

@oliviapope1262

15 күн бұрын

You do know the fob has a key in it. Pop the cap off the door handle and open the door. Pull the hood switch.

I have 2017 malibu that bought brand new. Have been complaining of hesitation and lack of power since the day I bought it. Was told "since there's no cel, there's no problem" and that "its just a 4 cylinder engine not race car". Just hit 77k miles. shifter has been replaced 3 times for the same problem. Fuel pump replaced, pcv valve contraption replaced and it caused both upper and lower oil pan gaskets to blow out. Had a cel when I went to pick it up and was told the update didn't take (whatever that means). Hasn't driven right since. Get miscellaneous flashing cel's but never stays on and the dealer keeps telling me that there's no stored codes so it's basically all in my head... over all worse experience I've ever had with a brand new car or service. Let's not get into all suspension and transmission issues I've had... literally a tech tell the that the burning oil smell that still pumps into the cabin is just condensation from the a/c... WTF

@toxiccool6205

2 жыл бұрын

I had that smell but it was more like burning oil I was like wtf

@2fast4all

2 жыл бұрын

I can bet that the rear suspension creaks when its hot out like 80F and up? The malibu forums say its the rear knuckle bushes go bad and its best to get both replaced. I personally never got mine replaced and they are 116K miles now. I just spray lithium grease so I dont hear it as much. I have a 2nd to 3rd gear "flare shift" its not noticeable at low speeds but when you floor it the engine overrevs a little over 500rpm during the next gear. I've had the trans fluid flush but I'm hesitant to take it to a transmission shop to have it checked out. Otherwise it drives fine. Source: 2016 1LT owner with 116K on chassis and 56K miles on 2nd motor.

I literally had four of these issues with both of my Malibus, also I think you should mention the trunk latch.

I thought my 2016 VW Jetta was a problem. I was think about trading it for a Malibu. Reading these post has changed my mind. I'm keeping my VW Jetta.

Do you know the exact size of hardware to fix the leaking 3rd break light?

This car is a beautiful piece of shxt 😂. My ex had it once and then I was recently gifted the same year car. It literally has the same exact issues!! I’m getting ready to trade it in now.

Experience this with my 2018 LT my brakes got hard to push while driving and my engine refuse to turn over

My steering wheel feels stiff when I’m driving but loose when I’m going slow? Should I be worried

another problem is ice and sludge in the intercooler and turbo control solenoid. nothing worse than a 2 month old car failing at -39 on a dark morning at 5AM 20 miles from anywhere. Now picture the dealer not being able to fix this for 6 times now.

At 80k miles I've had every one of these issues and had my engine replaced under warranty. My issues now are the passenger wiper sprays limply and extremely poor gas mileage, like 18 mpg or only 199 miles distance on a full tank of gas.

Definitely experiencing some of these issues with my 2016…. After dealing with Chevy for over a month they refused to service my car which was under warranty due to me not saving my oil change receipts….. highly disappointed in the quality and service at the dealerships especially with these being known and common problems! and the paint condition after a few years is absolutely horrible. A car I once loved I am now embarrassed to drive

@lawrenceandrews4367

2 жыл бұрын

That bs. You dont have save your oil change recipts.

@lawrenceandrews4367

2 жыл бұрын

They are lazy.

@davidhouston5783

2 жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't you save them?

@papayspeanut

2 жыл бұрын

Record everything, I have a 2017 equinox and I recorded all the calls and told them I have proof but didn’t provide it. I threaten to put them on social media and they were like alright we will buy it back or give you another. We had just done an oil change on the vehicle a week prior then bam engine seized

@2fast4all

2 жыл бұрын

Last year I brought my 2016 in to have the PCM looked over to see if it was up to date. I feel cars now a day have a mind of its own and might revert back to the old software. It's currently on its 2nd motor as the first one blew at 59K miles. Initially they were going to charge me a diagnostics fee of $160 or so but once I showed them the TSB for the LSPI refleash and a glimpse of my 2" binder of all my service records the writer got a tad nervous as I dont play around. Car was fine. No charge. Went on with my day.

Vaccum Pump constantly goes out I had to change mine every single year and is a 750- 1k repair every time.

Smh I had mines for three years and had at least 4 of these issues! In shop now from brake booster going out on interstate, almost crashed and died ! In shop now , brake light up top came loose. Also notice weak power on acceleration sometimes.

“Low fuel” and a check engine light got me here

I have an Chevy Malibu 2019 I had transmission problems,Brake vacuum pump went out, and now it reads manufacturer control these cars are discontinued and needs to be an recall.

Came to a stop and the car started stuttering and shut off on me 🤦🏻‍♂️

@keiswag1367

2 жыл бұрын

Pulling out of the driveway it just shut off

@danielramirez8999

Жыл бұрын

How did you fix it ?

I have a 2016 Malibu LS and over the last year it's starting to have all kinds of issues tire pressure sensors old and new not working right, auto start/stop not working right, car shuts off completely no power or anything dead in the water, replaced battery 6 months ago and still have issues, I put the vehicle in park but dash still says "put vehicle in park" and so on and so on...I just wanna scream sometimes. 🙄 I bought this car pre-owned from a dealership in Augusta, GA in 2018 and I've taken care of it like a baby. It only has 31,000 miles on it, but it shouldn't be having all these issues...this is turning out to be the worst car I've ever bought.

@patrickflohe7427

2 ай бұрын

Tire pressure sensors can happen to any car, they are not really model specific. Shift to Park is a very easy thing to fix. -There is a service bulletin out on that. Until you get it fixed, snap the shift release button on the shift lever with your finger a couple times, and the shift to park message will go away. There is a switch and a wire that they replace for that.

I have a 2015 and I'm experiencing this problem. I dont know why there is no recall on this year.

What about the alarm going off all the time after driving it

I have a 2016, if your car enters into limp mode one more thing to check is the battery, that will also cause the problem. For some reason my car goes thru a battery every 2 years or less. Also some of them have a crappy design or cv joints I have this design and within a year I got mine replaced 3 times untill I got a good set.

@anthonycarmen7237

Жыл бұрын

what set did you get by any chance !

Having a prob wit my 02 censor, they said I have to bring it in to get blown out...

But how to fix the reduced engine power?? My car won’t start and they said it’s an electrical issue

I have a 19 Malibu and have had a majority of these problems 😐

@cesarbarragancesarjr5279

Жыл бұрын

same bro, im about to engine swap the thing. im a diesel head so this shold be fun as i dont care for the car lol. good luck with that piece of shit

I had the 3rd bake light issue and the gas Gauge issue on my 2018 and also the active noise canceling issue when you step on the brake a rumble sound comes through tge speakers

@Tracon9er

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!! Every summer when it get to about 80 degrees or above, I hear alot of bass/ rumble sounds.

@wunstop6026

Жыл бұрын

Wtf I got one comming from Carvana Saturday

I had a 2016 Malibu LT with the 1.4L Turbo engine and BOY was it a NIGHTMARE!! 1.) I had the shift to park issue from day one and LUCKILY the Toyota dealership I bought it from paid for it to be fixed.. (though with some hoops to jump through) 2.) The electronics were constantly an issue. From the car not detecting the key fob (even with multiple battery replacements), the infotainment screen freezing and sometimes going black without any way to reset it, the instrument cluster going black as well as the speakers not working so I just had to hope my turn signals were working as I couldn’t visually or audibly detect them, to the usb ports and wireless charger not working properly at times. 3.) The water leaking problem was horrible. The rear passenger side roof liner was soaked and stained constantly from anytime it rained or snowed or went through a car wash. The last time I went through a car wash I immediately went to the grocery store after and when I came back to my car I could barely drive it home because the water must have made its way to the shark-fin antenna and shorted it causing the onstar in my car to go haywire. It was contacting onstar and then hanging up and so forth the entire drive home so I couldn’t use the buttons or infotainment screen the entire time and just kept blasting the onstar sound on and off. 4.) The worst thing of all was the god awful engine problem I ran into as well as the transmission, but mainly the engine. For a few months I was constantly feeling this weird engine sensation, kind of like you don’t know what’s happening but you know SOMETHING isn’t right because you’ve not felt it up until that point. I got oil changes every 5k miles as most of my driving was highway and I even replaced the engine air filter and the mass air flow sensor twice thinking it was that causing my issues…. Come to find out I HAD LITTLE TO NO OIL IN MY CAR WHATSOEVER THAT ENTIRE TIME!!! I have absolutely ZERO IDEA how it didn’t blow up in my face from literally little to no oil at all but once I added oil it seemed to go back to normal. I then came to find out the was a service bulletin from Chevy explaining how they were aware of a manufacturing problem causing excessive oil leakage to flow from the engine into the turbo and cause it to burn more quickly which is why I never suspected an oil problem as I always kept up on it and never saw oil leaks on the ground. There were many more problems but I’m just saying… NEVER BUY ANY GM PRODUCT EVER!!! I knew in the back of my mind I was dumb for buying one in the first place but boy was I given the run a round with that vehicle. I’ve never felt so stressed to get in my car and actually use it every single time like I did with that car…. Especially coming from a flawless 2006 Honda accord v6 LMAO! Now I’m a happy Mazda owner :)

I have a problem with the steering column/gear (not sure how the thing is called). I wanted to replace it and started looking online and I found a lot of these things all broken in the same spot just like mine. I guess it's a common problem?

Have the 2017Malibu Lt it has only 31k miles on it and so far only one issue. The MyLink touch screen went completely black and won't come on. Radio still works through the steering wheel controls fine. I'm trying to figure out how to get the screen to power back on or reset. Tried to disconnect the battery 5mins-2hrs and nothing. Done the open/close the door thing Google says and still nothing. Going to try the fuse tomorrow. Anyone else have this issue and know how to fix it??

@2fast4all

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2016 LT and I get this issue but its very once in a blue moon type of dilemma. I simply turn off the car, walk away, then come back within like 2-3 min. Start up again and its perfectly fine. Also cases like the screen freezes up but the music is playing fine. There are times I turn off the car, open the door, close the door and start the car again. It fixed itself. Pretty bizarre issue if you ask me.

2020 malibu RS. At the dealer waiting for a new piston and fuel injector. Issues with acceleration with engine light, ASC service code and traction control light flashing, resulting in non working cruise control only after I shut car off to “reset” it. It’s getting fixed under warranty but I don’t know if we should trade it in!!

@FLJAMESFL

2 жыл бұрын

Unload it well the market is still hot. Carvana or Vroom, great trade-in offers. Get a Camry.

@Tracon9er

2 жыл бұрын

If you can, TRADE THAT SH!T!!! They'll be a snowball effect of problems along the way.

@2fast4all

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2016 with a 2nd motor under warranty. I would have thought the piston issues would been resolved 2018+ and up models but I guess not.

@rafitness3784

Жыл бұрын

Omg my car is at the shop TODAY for these exact same problems smh

@Gaynors2023

Ай бұрын

same issue and model trade it.

I have two of those problems shift to Park sensor in my 2018 Chevy Malibu is acting up and the same thing on the top pieces where the brake light is so I put duct tape black waterproof duct tape over it and cut around the edges so it fits they want $800 to fix that and I will not pay 8:00 tape is working fine for now cost me $7 and I keep taping it I know it's a cheap way but it works now the problem I have is the passenger side door will not lock it just started this week all of the locks are red except the passenger I even tried to reset it it goes back to it and then said presents itself again anybody know about this problem

I own a 2016 Malibu LT and ive had a few of these issues but the biggest one i have is weird. Since i move from west coast to east coast my car act completely different. Only during the summer do I have issues if I drive it more than 30 minutes and its extremely hot and humid out, i go to give it gas. And it just sits there waiting for me. And it suck it i am at a stop light or any type of hills im in big trouble. I gotta plan my route so that I don't get caught in a bad situation. I took it into the dealership and they couldn't figure out the issue and said bring it back when it does it again. I didn't have this issue back in washington, which the weather is way different. I have no idea!

@coldcaseent6070

11 күн бұрын

my mothers car does this EXACT same thing

Replaced my vacuum pump, throttle body needed cleaned completed, water leaks in and into my truck. Definitely not good lol

Is any one getting an message about steering assist reduced ??

@rileysqaud3215

10 ай бұрын

I disconnected my battery and it went away

I have a 2014 Malibu with 200k miles and I just recently ran into a problem where when I crank it up it’ll go from park to manual “ it dosnt shift nor do I shift it” the light indicator changes on the center consol. Another problem that came with this is I caint put it into drive until it kicks itself back into park and shows that it’s in park. Also when I’m driving the same little light will randomly switch from d(drive) into M(manual). And I have put so many hours into trying to find out why or how to fix it, but apparently no one else has made a video, post, nor a arrival about how to fix this. And the Chevy place charges 100 just to inspect it and find the problem and I don’t want that. But it’s looking like my last resort

I have a 2017. I now have low compression cylinders. 123.🤷🏻‍♂️

Dealing with the Shift to Park error as we speak. 🥲

@richarddobreny6664

2 жыл бұрын

It is fairly easy to fix yourself, i fixed mine in 20 minutes. The dealer will make a big deal out of it

@GabCab1030

Жыл бұрын

I just tap on the lever on the shift knob and its good to go.

@scootabean

Жыл бұрын

@@richarddobreny6664 Can you share how?

@elkuartostudio

Жыл бұрын

Same thing with my car but I haven't seen this error for months now.

@cc7351

Жыл бұрын

Had this problem took it to gmc

My pistons cracked at 20k miles. Absolute bullshit. Spent 3 days arguing with them about that. 20k miles are you joking 2017 Chevy Malibu 1.5L

@Tracon9er

2 жыл бұрын

Get your money back, seek legal help too. Check your warranty.

@2fast4all

2 жыл бұрын

Did you surpass your powertrain warranty? Per GM its 5 years or 60,000 miles which ever comes first. They should cover it. Unless you bought the car 2nd hand then well.....uh good luck.

@oscar3spinoza34

Жыл бұрын

Same issue happen to me, but I purchase the vehicle second hand paid around $6,000 to get the whole engine fixed and just last night the same issue happen

I don't understand why GMC don't have a recall on all these problems ... Due to water getting in my trunk it won't open ... Little problems but things that cost alot

My 2016 had major hesitation at lights excellerating it was tourqe conveter. It had no codes that made it so strange to two Mechanic's demmed car unsafe to drive. I to car to Chevy they found the problem tourqe conveter

@MrUser999999

2 жыл бұрын

I'm having similar issues with my 16, at first it was hesitating to go above 40mph, fixed by restarting the car. Now it stalls/hesitates on stop lights, usually happens after the car's been running more than 30min. Did you have similar issues? My local mechanic believes it's the accumulator. What did you end up paying. Unfortunately, I'm passed the 100k, so no warranty.

@carlosjones7987

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrUser999999 this is exactly what’s happening to my 2019 malibu

@evivel

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosjones7987 Im about try the fuse box , some other tech on youtube found it can develop cracks internally. Works normal when car is cold/hasnt been used but issue start once car warms up. metal conductors contract and expand and loose contact with temperature changes due to hairline cracks.

@ReeseW313

Жыл бұрын

My friend is having the same issue. Thanks for sharing 🤓

I have problems whit the trunk Sometimes open and sometimes not Any idea?

@superm1965

2 жыл бұрын

Clean the lock with Carbonate cleaner and oil it Or maybe bc the lock wire is damaged or the lock plug for it got some carbon salts so u have to clean it or replace it

More then 10 problem . It has a 1000 problems trust me

What is wrong with GM

@ceciliaabdalla4954

Жыл бұрын

Bad companies should go bankrupt.

My driver side door won’t lock. Anybody have this same problem???

@ReeseW313

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but it's the back seat in the driver's side 🤦🏽‍♀️

How can they sell cars with so many problems? I’m going through it right now with my 2016 Malibu

@MrGeorgewf

Жыл бұрын

Don’t buy American Cars.

I have a 2017...6 months in 1st service; Dealer reprogrammed engine computer: No reason given...Then the fun starts...3 times I had to use the key to open door...12 times in seat but "No Remote Detected" fixed by placing remote fob in center storage holder...Hundreds of times "Shift to Park"...Dealer: No problem found, but I found a work around, simply sit in seat & wait for computer to reset: Shortest time 10 seconds...Longest time ~ 3 minutes...Center brake light leaked water into trunk; Dealer replaced complete assembly...After 3 years windshield washer fluid tank cracked; Dealer wanted $500 labor & $200 part; I stated NO...Throttle body assembly needed cleaning @ 30k & 60k; both times was billed...2 years ago a P1101 code: MAP sensor replaced + service = $600...Latest service by the manual @ 82k = $200...At this point I can only imagine what the big important items are going to cost...but when the time comes that this Lemon dries up I will have no problem test driving a Toyota Camry...!

@TONYFROMFL

5 күн бұрын

600 to replace the map is ridiculous. Thats takes 5 seconds to do

My windows goes half way up then goes back down my seat won't go back but goes to front

Malibu 2017 engine reduce power massage and cuts off,p0017:00 what could be reason

My biggest regret purchase. My 2020 Malibu I’ve only had for 1 year in the shop rn for check valve cracking off somehow and now I need a new motor… not to mention when I got it at first, had to get The whole transmission replaced since it would severely lack when shifting to drive from reverse. Down with GM

Ok so what are the causes to problem #8 the incorrect fuel gauge reading? You didn't talk about that one.

why not just recall this car all together ugh its a headache, if anyone has the valve cover torq specs for the 2016 ..1.5... let me know please, had the brake fuel pump brake off into the camshaft area, luckly it didnt cause to much damage i can see so far.. $300 in so far with repairs

i am mad i just purchased this car only had it for a week and i no longer have it it broke down out of no where

@captainmorgan5449

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that...What year did you buy?

Onstar defect and Russian hackers. Sure is possible with navsat intrusions.

My ecs just came on..and i got a 2021...smh

Still want the 2019 😭 cause im a broke college student that wants to own my car

2017 Chevy Malibu 79,000 miles went into limp mode and now won’t start cranks over but sounds like the starter stuck 🤷🏻‍♂️

@user_uif_ghg_wer_das

2 жыл бұрын

That's about it, it nears the end of its life, things are starting falling apart from this point.

@2fast4all

2 жыл бұрын

@@user_uif_ghg_wer_das Im on the 2nd motor 56K miles and 116K on the chassis. Its still trucking along but until how long? Only time will tell. I'm the original owner and bought brand new in 2016.

@MultiSheniqua

Жыл бұрын

I have a 2018 malibu and the same problem found out it was the vacuum pump exploded in the engine cause my brakes to harden at this point I’m done with any GMC cars I’m doing a voluntary repo cause I’m not paying for another engine replacement it’s a faulty part without warning

@natelove187

Жыл бұрын

Fix it and trade it in for a Toyota

@natelove187

Жыл бұрын

@@MultiSheniquai switched to Toyota and never felt happier

2016 malibu has low power on hills and on level at times

I will never purchase a chevy malibu again nothing but problems with those cars ..

@d.c.barker

Жыл бұрын

I agree 💯

Yeah im having acceleration issue

Why do they not just put the 2.0 engine in all the cars to fix the engine problem

@dataexpunged1300

Жыл бұрын

To expensive and they want people to feel like the top tier is better

Number ten 🤦🏾‍♂️

2017 has a stabilitrack problem

@leahrivera3385

2 жыл бұрын

My 2018 too. It broke down yesterday. Chevy should allow us to trade in for a good deal because I think the 9th generation makings are ALL defected

@jeanibottle1231

2 жыл бұрын

Mine too. Happened yesterday. Car stopped at a light

@ebonytruth1163

2 жыл бұрын

There's a stabilitrak issue with the 2018.

@Tracon9er

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeanibottle1231 It does have the auto shut off to save on fuel as they say.

My 2019 is giving me hell.

Also u get played in 2016 malibu they don't have a freaking dip stick for transmission fluid which means u got 2 bring it 2 dealership money vulchers Fk Chevy this my last encounter with they azz to many problems I encountered with this vehicle since I had it...😢

They need to do a recall on the whole car😂. I'm having issues with the brake booster. They want to charge me a female $2600.00 for a new one.

I bought a 2017 malibu, and I've had nothing but problems with it. I'll never buy a chevy again!

One thing for sure America can't build a good car for anything but they sure can build good bombs and guns 🙄.

I don’t understand how I’ve had 3 BRAND NEW and all gave me issues! I think that’s why the stop making Malibu’s any after 2013 HAVE ISSUES!!!!!!!! What wrong GMC🤬

Have been dealing with the park issue. Now dealing with stalling and gas leak smell. Will update this post later. For now, do not buy these cars. Went from a Cruze to a Malibu and have lost all faith in Chevy.

Why do these American automakers keep building junk? Because you keep paying for it. Simple as that don't be fooled by how something looks. God bless Toyota Motors 💪

I'm living in north Iraq but sorry to say Shits vehicle

28k 2023 turbo dead😡🤬

Total vehicle failure

So basically the cars are trash

Malibu’s are the worst. I regret purchasing. If it’s not one thing it’s another. Pls stay away!