Chevy Malibu 2.4 : P0016 P0017 The Diagnosis
Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары
In this video I have a look at a 2012 Chevrolet Malibu with the 2.4 ecotech fresh from the auction. The check engine light is on with the infamous P0016 and P0017 codes. 90% of shops will just slam a timing set in it, but how do you 100% know what it needs? Could it be a slipped reluctor ring on the cam? It only takes a few minutes to bee 100% Remember, TEST DON'T GUESS! -Enjoy!
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PICO SOFTWARE: www.picoauto.com/downloads MUST DOWNLOAD TO VIEW WAVEFORMS *Known Good CMP-CKP: drive.google.com/open?id=1rDeMuHr0yLYK-Y2ccF98uYVctffF7PJG *CMP-CKP Waveform From This Car: drive.google.com/open?id=1-lGMzfQZiKyXi2cEfc01FdixmJCA4hJJ *In Cylinder Pressure Waveform: drive.google.com/open?id=1cZnOGfGRe04fzybb6eZS4zqMLD3sS87L Sam @ Tool Hut USA: kzread.info/dron/osIVoFqpQ3jUIEhq5GCMAA.html
@d913y
5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Btw how do you record your computer screen into the video? Thanks:)
@rudyfierro1221
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Keep up the great content. Huge favor to ask, may I have you please update your download links. I have similar engine that I'm working on P0016 and P0017. Thanks in advance for your efforts.
@michael-qp9xd
Жыл бұрын
Hello - got code of p0016 on my 2.0 Ecotec turbo engine so just the intake camshaft timing off with respect to crank shaft. Not getting code p0017 which would be the exhaust camshaft off too. So thinking then not timing chain problem say jumped as would get p0017 too. Replaced both camshaft actuators and still problem of rough engine and cel still showing just p0016. So could be the reluctor on intake camshaft or maybe the intake camshaft timing sensor - u think one of these most probably? Thanks for any ideas.
@DevJB
Жыл бұрын
If there is top end rattle noise, it's probably the chain guides, chain and intake cam phaser gear is sloppy or there is an issue with the primary tensioner not getting enough pressure from oil galley. Clog, or bad oil, or front guide rattled and broke. Could be reluctor ring, typically is the intake phaser and front primary guide in these ecotec's.. Which if the front guide breaks, the oil pan and sump need cleaned out, along with oil galleys through entire engine or there will be micro-plastic getting into the hydraulic lash adjusters, phasers and tensioners in return causing slack's and front guide rattle\failure.
@JoelAutomotiveInaction
Жыл бұрын
Nice case study , I was trying to download the waforms to play with them but a message say , "No available . 404. That’s an error. The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know. Thanks for sharing Eric .
Attention fellow KZread watchers: This gentleman has consistently provided us with knowledgeable information in his videos and is an honest enjoyable person to watch. If everyone donated just one dollar he would get over twenty thousand dollars. He deserves this for his time and effort. The best I have seen watching these repair videos. I'm sure he has taught us a thing or two, three, and more. Thank you so much Eric.
@flagmichael
5 жыл бұрын
I signed up today - thanks for the push!
@alexanderhaar4269
4 жыл бұрын
How do u do that?
Greys and whites equal wisdom...makes Dr O a pretty wise man.
I’m a pretty smart fellow when it comes to cars but Eric makes me feel like an oil change tech.
@jimbim8604
5 жыл бұрын
You clearly haven't seen Eric's oil change videos. Get ready to feel like an assistant cleanup tech at Jiffylube.
@jamespn
5 жыл бұрын
From your mouth to God’s ears. I feel the same way.
@CubasAutomotive
5 жыл бұрын
@@jamespn the average Joe or Jane can do this. Get a scope. Most techs already have one and don't use. If you have a Verus, a Modis, or even a Vantage... you have one. Just start playing around with it. Start on known goods... get out to training events. TST is in a 1.5 wk. Get on AES wave, order a John Thornton class which arrives on a USB. Eric has proved ANYONE can do this. He's not a college graduate. He's mostly self taught. Get out there and try it! 😊😊
@geosutube
5 жыл бұрын
After every show, Eric says, “Remember, if I can do it, you can do it.” Stop thinking you can’t and watch what Eric does, take notes, and start at the beginning, with your next job, add in the time to do just one more thing, and build on that.
@markegan5330
5 жыл бұрын
Same here. This guy is a cut above. I stumbled onto his channel just trying to peek ahead to intake gaskets on the mini van. Probably tied for my favorite channel with AVE.
I enjoy all your videos. I usually do not comment, as you have many subscribers with comments. But I found this to be an exceptionally good diagnostic video. The pressure waveform data complimenting the cam/crank data was great. Thank you for sharing.
@geoffmorgan6059
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Diagnostic skills deserving of a brain surgeon. I salute you for working for an owner who wants to do his own grunt work. Most shops want the customer to commit to have the work done or they will not share any diagnostic data. Of course, some of those shops are guessing and don't have the skills you have. Of course in the end the engine has to come down at least as to the timing "drive" gear level, which on these transverse engine layouts is a nightmare. Thanks for a great, informative video!
The pressure transducer seemed excessive until i watched through the analysis. No wrenches, no bolts, guaranteed diagnosis.. Well Done!!
I’m just over here nerding out on the picoscope analysis 😂🤣 Great video, and diagnosis.
The way you explain things is very clear to me thank you for sharing your knowledge and going the extra mile to show all the other possible ways to confirm your diagnosis. Great video as always
You're a diagnostic Guru Eric..... smart man, knows what he's doing and is kind enough to share his wisdom!! Good for you man!
Honesty, integrity and intelligence. The folks in your town are lucky to have you.
Love Your channel.Semi Retired shop owner 36 yrs from Mass.You're a super tech .Honest And Thorough.Keep em coming i'll keep watchin.
Eric you are a damn good mechanic, very knowledgeable and very humble. You are always willing to learn more and trying to be the best mechanic there is and if you aren't youre damn close. Thank you for everything keep up the great work.
That observation about the exhaust valve closing early, and what it means to the reality of the cam timing as opposed to the instrumentation, is truly the mark of a guru!
This is 10/10 the best video on the SMA channel! The explanation of the wave form going to vacuum got me hooked and he whole thing began to make sense. I learned a great deal here.
I'll bet your school teachers would be extremely surprised! You turned out to be a pretty smart fella! Your grasp of the info contained in those waveforms was quite impressive. THANKS AGAIN for great informative videos.
Excellent diag. Always good to see you cross-verify your diagnosis. You're definitely teaching lots of folks how to do it correctly.
i vote for the live steam hair dye by mrs o
@Dirtyharry70585
5 жыл бұрын
careful about creating a feud on who has the best hair color in the family ...:)
@GarthGoldberg
5 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking Grecian Formula.
@mattmec85
5 жыл бұрын
@@GarthGoldberg touch of grey
@fukkyoutube
5 жыл бұрын
just for men
@stickmunch
5 жыл бұрын
Nope. He's roughly a year or two older than me (I'm 37) we're both gray before 40.. Solidarity brother!! And.. Most importantly.. It's all still there..
WOW! What a great lesson in diagnostic process. I learn every time I watch you. Pull codes and check the bulitions. Good stuff.
Thanks, Eric, for the detailed technical information. It's interesting and you are relentless getting to the root cause of problems!
It’s freakin inspiring watching you work and hearing your thoughts. Simply amazing.
Thanks, Eric. Always enjoy the scope vids. Hope to see the conclusion!
Jobs like this make you realise just what an amazing resource the Pico Scope is. After reviewing the online support you realise it is an absolute bargain that you can't work effectively without. I would be lost without it!
Thank you for showing how to up the sample rate on the pico. That's the one feature nobody uses and is so important to catch all the detail.
At first, I thought that Mr. O had been replaced by a pod person, but then he troubleshot the car and I realized that he had left his hat off... Thank you for a very interesting analysis, thumbs up!
This is the best automotive repair video I remember watching. Only clear, accurate, pertinent, and complete information, well presented. Excellent videography. All it's missing is quirky sound effects and maybe a funky wig for entertainment value. You're getting pretty good at this. Thanks again for the great vids.
@dosgos
5 жыл бұрын
Not missing any stupid Hollywood effects. This is an all out assault of information.
This might be the best diagnostic video you have made. You are able to teach in plain English and go through the steps of your procedure in an organized manor. I was especially amazed by the second half of the video where you demonstrated the use of the pressure transducer. What a gold mine of information the waveforms from the transducer produced. I think any tech that is involved with diagnostics at any level would benefit greatly by watching this video. Good job, man! Thanks for sharing.
Great video Eric! Love the pip editing and use of the pico. Great stuff like always bud.
The scope nails it almost every time! Great Diagnose!
Thanks Eric O. These cam/crank collocation videos using the Pico and cylinder pressure test are very helpful. Thanks to you and others, I'm no longer sitting on the fence debating with myself what bi-directional scan tool and scope to purchase. Purchased the Autel 908 and 4-channel Pico scope yesterday. Should be on delivery truck today.
@michaelstjohn6086
5 жыл бұрын
did your Autel work?
@snw56
5 жыл бұрын
@@michaelstjohn6086 Both units are in transit on a UPS truck from AESwave. Delivery date scheduled for Tuesday next week.
Dang Mr O! You showed that chevy who's the boss. No guessing allowed! Thanks for being an Awesome Tech and with a willingness to share and take us along. Hope you get the chain job so we could follow up with the actual visual. Seeing is believing and you show us all either physically or Electronically. Thanks again for time and videos and being so good to us!
This is the most interesting of the SMAR Videos I've viewed. Amazing work.
I love doing chains on the 2.4L. I also liked how you covered that TSB. Great video as always, really cool to see both CMP/CKP & WPS to verify that TSB doesn't apply...always something to learn from you man.
Great video thanks for going the extra step and showing us in cylinder! Always good to have known goods! Hopefully you get the job. Looking forward to it.
Eric, one of the best I have seen you do. Great explanation and diagnosis for us. Thanks.
Eric, thanks for putting the diagrams and screen recordings up in the editing. Makes your vids top notch and much easier to see!
SMA - The Formal Edition Excellent diagnosis path as always Mr O!
@Graham_Wideman
5 жыл бұрын
Sunday School
I'm following this closely, since I've got a 2.4 Ecotec in my wife's 2008 Malibu. A few yeas ago I had a cam solenoid code and it really was the solenoid, but I can see myself doing the timing chain, etc at some point. Great video.
I really enjoy your videos, very educational and informative. Thank you
Thank you Dr. O. Looking spiffy. Almost thought I was on a wrong channel. Good job brother. Have a blessed and safe week.
very informative diagnostic video, thanks for posting. from what I understand, the ecotech has known timing chain problems that wear over time.
You love your work, and I love watching you do it. I'm glad you're no a dancer.
Cool thank you I work at a GM dealer ship. I have replaced a lot of the solenoids due to those codes. But it's not always the solenoids at fault...I like how you went threw the steps to show how it's done right...so there's no guess work
Very thorough diagnosis sir. A bunch of great info as well. Thanks Dr. O!
Acupuncture in the automotive field… Great work Doc!
Hey Eric, as usual I always enjoy your videos. One tip I want to share to you and everybody else is with the tech 2 cam data. This has worked on multiple impalas with me, if you have a timing code. Clear the code just like you did but DONT start the engine yet, pull up your cam data first then start and run the engine. Your desired and actual cam positions PIDS will display for a very brief moment (3-4 seconds maybe)until the codes trip again and then it will all defaults to 0 just like in the video. I’ve seen this fooled many many people
Very informative video. I’ve done 2 of these engines with the same codes and both times it’s been broken timing chain guides. Especially the top one under the valve cover there between the cams.
Tech2's are such a strong relic for a scanner. Always loved em : )
It’s great that you enjoy your job.
30 minute master class
Great video Eric. Using the incylinder pressure waveform gives you even more proof of the fault. Awesome job. Thank you.
@michaelnicholson9092
5 жыл бұрын
Sam from toolhut is a great guy. It was nice to hear the shout out.
Well, you broke out the professor thang GOOD JOB!! The power balance just blows me away. Please let us see the repair, I want to see what failed and keep up the great adventures, thank you. ,
Good info thanks got one came in. Yesterday gotta diagnosis it in the morning.
I can't wait to see the repair video for this one.
Excellent diagnosis.
Great diagnosis Dr. O
No hat. First class editing. Looking nice today. You look like the man. You are the man. Only getting better and more thourow. Great video.
When you were showing your pico screen, and when that windows about changing your theme to improve performance came up, I thought that was on MY computer! I was just beginning to lean forward and grab the mouse, when I realized, oh, it's his!
The dedication...! Thanks for the video and explanation.
Great job.my favorite videos are diags like this and whenever big nasty has to come out. 💪👍
Great video! Enjoyed watching and following along, and the 100% diagnosis
Awesome vid, Eric O, very thorough.
Thanks for Bring us!! I hope you get the Job so we can see what's up!!
What an interesting video. I knew modern cars were complex but didn't know the complexity in diagnosing them. I would love to work on cars for a living but the knowledge you have seems like it work take years to get there. Enjoying the videos
You are one helluva' diagnostician! Thanks for the knowledge.
@SouthMainAuto
5 жыл бұрын
Nope I am a mechanic... I fix cars. Very simple.
nice Diag. looking at those pressure files really taxed my old brain in 4 stroke engine theory of operation.
Wow! Not what I expected under the hat.Anyhow I really think you are one of the best, thanks for all your help though the we years
Eric, Excellent diagnosis, explanation, and video - thank you. I like the 'sunday best' look on you (and a bit longer hair) - you look GOOD! Looking forward to a follow up video on the total fix for the ol' chivy. SMA#1 God bless Paul
Awesome video Eric. Using pressure transducer is my favorite subject. Cheers 👍👍
Has good news finally found a mechanic that is fair in price . It took me almost a year and half persistent does pay off .
I almost didn't recognize you without a hat!!! A sure sign of Spring!
Who's the new guy?😜
@diymisfit_Mechanic_UDX404
5 жыл бұрын
LOL
@RoyCousins
5 жыл бұрын
Capless Eric!
@fascistpedant758
5 жыл бұрын
He's changing his look, there are too many guys impersonating him on YT.
@diymisfit_Mechanic_UDX404
5 жыл бұрын
Might have to start calling him Q-tip. Just kidding Eric, it looks good on you.
@Diagnosedan
5 жыл бұрын
@@fascistpedant758 🤣🤣👍
Nice video Eric! I've always liked your channel, you take a problem and walk us through step by step in the diagnostic process and then if and when you get the job, take us step by step through the repair. I have to admit you make it look so easy but for me probing the ECM is so scary, cause like you said, if you probe the wrong one or cross the probes with a full 12 volts you just had a bad day. New ECM here we cum. Love watching you do this stuff. I've learned so much, thanks for sharing......
First, much respect in this comparison to show an incorrect valve timing! I will definitely use this in the future. I just had to correct you at 24:45. You stated that the intake opens at the end of power stroke. I believe the exhaust valve opens at that time. (Hence exhaust stroke). Lol u are very thorough and I know I'm not perfect, but I had to mention it as it hung me up for a sec.
I see your rock auto magnet collection, respect!
he worked on a Chevy and his hair turned white over night
@rimmersbryggeri
5 жыл бұрын
Once there was this kid who got into an accident and couldnt come to school, when he finally came back, his hair had turned from black into bright white
@rimmersbryggeri
5 жыл бұрын
@@grabasandwich Exactly but you know. he said that t was from when the CARS had smashed so hard
@pl5882
5 жыл бұрын
rimmersbryggeri Nice! 1993 was a good year👍
@glastornjet73
5 жыл бұрын
bobl78 got it that’s what happens when you work on a Chevy I’d hate to think what happens when you work on a junk ass ford
@Jim-ie6uf
5 жыл бұрын
bobl78 you noticed it, too!
That was some interesting diagnosis there even though I didn't understand it still very informative.
Great work! Clear explanation! Easy to understand! Another top notch video! Thanks Eric!
Great job again like always A+
Saw this and thought about your Colorado Series when you tried to do the bidirectional control and clear the codes I remembered from that video what was going to happen.. I have two customers with this same car one is a 2010 and the other is 2012 if only I had a scope I could have sent some known good. Scope will be my next investment I just picked up an Autel MS906TS and I love it!!!
Excellent call to do in-cylinder pressure!
Eric, thank you for all the hard work to produce such excellent video so a guy like me could learn. cheeeeers
great job Eric excellent use of diagnostic tools
100 percent whit that great scope work it will make you feel so much better, knowing if you get the job
Great diagnosis Eric saludos.
Your a very smart cookie Eric,love your vids,my favorite on the tube,keep up the good work bro
As always, an awesome video, thx for sharing.
Great Diagnostic Video . Thumbs Up
another great video. thanks from the UK.
the in cylinder pressures are so cool. im new to getting into the scope and just used it to find a timing advanced issue. im really interested in this in cylinder issues. would love to see more videos. you explain it very well. i know this is an old video but for the next video i recommend slowing down and either showing a known good and explaining more or taking more time to see what the pressures should be. atleast thats where i got a little lost. anyways i love all your videos keep it up!
Nice diagnosis & great video. Hopefully you get the job!
HOLY SNOWBALL ERIC O. WHERE'S THE DECK LID? ALL THAT GRAY! From a fellow tech to another, keep it up, man. So far you're pretty much the only vehicle tech on KZread I can always agree with. I won't mention the others. LOL
You are getting spectacular at these diagnostic presentations! My bet is that only 15% of domestic auto mechanics in the USA use a scope in their diagnostics. The Pico compression analysis was very interesting. Confirmed advanced timing as the Exhaust valve opened before 180 degrees, in your diagram at 25:12, thus drawing a vacuum in the cylinder on the piston down stroke and the exhaust valve closed before 360 degrees, in your diagram at 25:12, which built up pressure in the cylinder before the intake valve opened at 360 degrees for the down stroke of the piston. Neat stuff! (I am not a mechanic).
@Blazer02LS
5 жыл бұрын
I doubt scope use is even that high. Closer to 5% maybe.
@Sandbag1300
5 жыл бұрын
@@Blazer02LS I was being kind!
@cavemanstyle1376
5 жыл бұрын
Working flat rate, most of the time you're only going to get paid an hour to diagnose a problem. Pulling out the scope setting it up there's at least 10 minutes right there. If you were a mechanic you would understand why we don't spend what little precious time we have to use a scope and be 110% sure of our diagnosis every time. It's pull in the car, find the problem as fast as you can, pull it out, on to the next one. Otherwise you will go home poor.
@cavemanstyle1376
5 жыл бұрын
I have a scope but I don't even keep it at work, not enough occasion to use it.
Love these pico videos
Getting fancy with the editing! Nice!
You look different without your lid on.
@kevinbyrne4538
5 жыл бұрын
Eric's hair appearing naked in public? on the Internet?! where everyone can see it? Oh, the shame.
@NY411Info
5 жыл бұрын
@Case Knives He said he was driving by and decided to stop in the shop when he was probably technically on a trip to the store for the wife. lol. Eric, you better have got the wife her wine after this detour to your shop. Us on the KZread thank you though for thinking of us as well.
@kthwkr
5 жыл бұрын
I didn't even recognize him. Who is that guy?
@InsideOfMyOwnMind
5 жыл бұрын
@@kthwkr That's what she said after him pulling that stunt.
@paulsz6194
5 жыл бұрын
alx Mold even old Jeep hats break down...
Amazing video. I had a car with similar issue that kicked my butt. Wish I saw this video before that car.
I appreciated the "Little extra fun" with the PICO and the wave forms. I'm learning a lot and look forward to TST as well. The screen shots and PIP were really cool. Sam has a good channel too. :)
Excellent video as always! Instead of a tool box tour maybe a What's This Tool For? during WUW. Best channel ever.
In my experience with these Ecotec engines a P0016 indicated the timing chain has skipped a tooth, mostly due to the front guide upper bolt breaking and the guide getting chewed up.
Good stuff man! Boy does in-cylinder pressure testing make a compression gauge look dated! Amazing the things you can see in there. Never used one in person, but learning from all you guys out in KZreadLand - I did notice the pressure where there should have been vacuum, when the piston was on its way to BDC. A window into the engine! Great to be able to learn these things before I even own one. Wish the auto industry would use Apple products instead of buggy, glitchy Microsoft products. Can't download the PICO software on the iMac ... 😞 I've been sold on a scope for a long time now .. but then I get into these occasional dry spells where I get no drivability jobs coming in (like now), and then I continue putting it off. I'll get one eventually. I can justify the expense just having it for my own vehicles. Same with the J-box. Just pains me that I'll have to buy another PC to make it all happen. Windows drives me nuts! I seem to spend more time fixing its problems than I do benefiting from its use. I actually have no paying work today. Have 3 lawn tractor jobs I can't get to, thanks to the broken truck. Going to finish working on getting the Viair air compressor system leak free in preparation for the OX Locker. Fixed a bunch of leaks yesterday that I've been meaning to get to for 4 years now. Now to get out there and see what the pressure is after 17 hours - hoping it's the same as when I left it. Maybe I'll pull the axles today and install the new seals, and also install a couple motion lights on the shop that I've been meaning to get to for the past year. :)