Love these type videos, keep'em coming guys. And gotta say TFL is one of my favorite channels & the whole team.👍🏻👍🏻

@Schlipperschlopper

Жыл бұрын

Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station fuel pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime !!!! (BABVVO laws!!!!)

C4s are aging extremely well! They were so far ahead of their time.

@nbagoats4819

Жыл бұрын

Not really but Ok

@AgentEran

Жыл бұрын

​@@nbagoats4819 c4s set several performance records that stood for decades before they were broken.

@petermuller161

Жыл бұрын

As an owner of one, with the 6 speed, they are creaky and behind the times. It’s a beauty and sounds good though.

@AgentEran

Жыл бұрын

@@petermuller161 newest L98 Vette is 32 years old, I'd say I agree with you lol

@Thiccy_

Жыл бұрын

@@nbagoats4819 C4 was and still is great, and definitely was ahead of its competitors.

My dad had an 86 corvette when I was a kid. All my friends thought my dad was so cool when he picked me up from school in it. Used to love those digital gauges and man I miss those leather wrapped steering wheels in them. Great video..... really reminded me off my old man..... lost him to cancer in 2013..... but watching this just brought up some great memories 💯

@Prince_.A

Жыл бұрын

I wish him safe travels into the beyond. My dad had a 98 SS when he got out the Marines. I got a 96 Z28 a couple years ago since he is so busy with work and stuff to bring back those memories when he rides with me

The Trans Am needs a driver mod. That LT 1 has way more potential especially 16 seconds in quarter mile.😂

@cubedmack

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he did a horrible job driving the TA.

@aab350z

Жыл бұрын

Back when these cars were new, I autocrossed an 88, non-turbo rx7 and had someone put an accelerometer in it to time me. I ran a 15.1 quarter with 150 hp. On a mountain runway. Lol.

@jerrywright8882

Жыл бұрын

Yea i had a 96 TA auto car back in 99 and it ran a 13.89 at 100 bone stock,but im barely above sea level here in VA.

@christophermorales1509

Жыл бұрын

As usual they have to remind everyone they’re running in Colorado where all times are way off what the mainstream is used to.

@ArmoredCore5000

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermorales1509 why, are they racing up hill or something? 🤔

This is my favorite channel/series of all the TFL channels. I love seeing these 80s/90s cars. Maybe someday you guys will get your hands on a GNX. I’d also like to see some of the sport trucks from the era. The 454SS in particular and a Syclone.

Something is wrong with that TA. LT1 should walk that L98 no problem

@viziocamaro

Жыл бұрын

I agree I’ve been in both cars the lt1 should be a lot faster

@BlackRam17

Жыл бұрын

Driver is shifting at 4800 rpms is the problem. Could probably use a tune up too

@deznutz3163

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing!

I have a 1994 C4 LT1 6sp manual and am in Arvada CO. Let’s do this, I’d love to see how the two C4’s fair against each other.

@speedracerjeff

Жыл бұрын

Go show him what a LT1 can do. My 92 LT1 C4 was definitely faster than my 88 C4.

@vettehottie

Жыл бұрын

would love to see this as well

@cubedmack

Жыл бұрын

Please don't go and embarrass Tommy. Tommy really sucks at racing.

@JonBecker81

Жыл бұрын

Like and comment to get Tommy’s attention. I want to see this too.

@V8AmericanMuscleCar

Жыл бұрын

That would be nice to see.

Something tells me that T/A needs some more loving. I really can't figure out how an L98 was able to walk away from an LT1, even with the weight difference. Mile above sea level or not, thats at least 2 seconds slower than the usual 1/4 mile times. Not saying the T/A SHOULD have been faster outright, but it should have been a lot closer than that.

@jeffflaig362

Жыл бұрын

I bet the ta has a trap speed about 1 or 2 mph faster. I've had several c4 tpi vettes and took them to the strip allot. The l98 runs better to about the thousand ft mark or 90 to 95 mph. After that the lt1 starts to creep ahead

@Mattax355

Жыл бұрын

I used to beat 6 speed LT1s all the time in my L98. LT1s weren't impressive. The tuned runners helped rhe L98 run hard despite choking the engine at high RPMs. You can't look at just peak power. The L98 had a better mid range than the untuned 3" runners of the LT1

@kokocostanza2036

Жыл бұрын

@The Logical Lifter Not just going by peak power, going by the numbers that I can find for both of their 1/4 mile times when stock. The best I can see is the L98 was somewhere around 13.9-14.1 and the T/A was 14.1-14.3. Here the 'Vette absolutely walked away. I'm not saying the T/A should have been quicker, but it should have been closer than it was.

Please keep these kind of series coming, I really enjoy them.

Something is definitely up with that TA. The LT1 made WAY more power than that L98 C4 did. I used to own LT1 fbods way back in the day and would routinely mop the floor with L98 Vettes. It wasn't even a contest. I would lay money on that Opticrap, I mean Optispark going bad. When mine did, it was like a different car, like someone knocked off 75 or 80 horsepower.

@cubedmack

Жыл бұрын

I know because I had a 88 5.0 mustang back in the early 90's and I had no problems with C4 corvettes, 350 TA's and 350 Iroc's until they came out with LT1 in 92.

@josephandreuccetti7270

Жыл бұрын

That or they can’t drive

@jesterokjones4954

Жыл бұрын

​@@cubedmackLol, it was all over after the LT1 dropped, I know the feeling.

@Mattax355

Жыл бұрын

Nope. My L98 1991 Firebird Formula ran 14.2 stock and a 13.7 with free mods and a new higher stall torque converter with a 1.91 60 foot. The torque curve of the L98 plus the ability to stay in the same gear for so long really was a winning combination.

@99mustanggt09

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking Def an opti issue needs to just go 24x

Listen to all that GM plastic rattle, I still like the car

@hitek9too255

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@chrissullivan5752

Жыл бұрын

Union quality

I love my c4 corvette never understood why they were so under rated. One of the most well rounded corvettes ever if u ask me

@andydhillon1977

Жыл бұрын

I'm an import gut and bought a '94 6-spd on a whim. I am very impressed with the car. I've found myself wanting an '89 6-spd now, too!

@jesterokjones4954

Жыл бұрын

​@@andydhillon1977why a 1989?

@andydhillon1977

Жыл бұрын

@Jesterok Jones First year the Corvette got a 6-spd manual transmission.

@V8AmericanMuscleCar

Жыл бұрын

Same! My favorite body style, especially 80s C4.

No you can't get a T/A for less than $10k, you can't find them! Especially a WS6.

They should switch drivers around and try again! I feel like the vette driver was the only good driver

Damn guys, I feel like if you ever get a chance to race at sea level it'll feel like you're doing warp speed. Great as always

@IceTTom

Жыл бұрын

Stock Trans-Am of thatera and spec shoud be around 14.00 flat in the quarter. I'd imagine the c4 should be... high 14s, Which is BALLZZ quick for both these beautiful rigs! I'd LOVE to own either of them!

I love how u guys got together and had a goal...now u r at almost 200k subscribers.

T/A needs a driver mod badly, that car has more in it that we aren’t seeing.

That trans am steering wheel/column shake and rattle is a little scary 🤣

@enzofiero2924

Жыл бұрын

I noticed that as well and yeah there's a serious issue there!!

I mopped quite a few C4 Vettes with my '02 SS. That Pontiac should be doing way better than it is

That LT1, honestly should have pulled that vette.. Dyno the T/A, let's see what it puts down to the wheel..

Better get that T/A looked at. No way on God's green earth it should lose. Like never. Great video however.

@BlackRam17

Жыл бұрын

Guy is shifting way too early

@wob6776

8 ай бұрын

@@BlackRam17 He even said in the video "no point in revving higher" at like 4500 lol

@arachniawebz6176

27 күн бұрын

Facts!!

TA either needs driver mod or something’s wrong with it. The LT1 will mop the floor against a L98

I owned a 1988 Corvette Z51. It was a fun car. I also had a 1991 ZR-1, much more fun. I now own a 2011 CTS-V funnest of them all. Thanks for the video. I still love the old C4 vette!

I owned a 87 C4 with the L98 Lots of torque but runs out of steam due to the undersized intake. Some minor mods would help make power over 4000RPM. Something is definitely wrong with the TA, it should easily beat the C4 w/L98.

@kyoakland

Жыл бұрын

Yup needs a new optispark

Where are you located? We've got a 2023 c8 currently in Utah that you can race.

@bean-matic9322

Жыл бұрын

that would be fun

Either there is something seriously wrong with that Trans Am or you guys cannot drive worth a lick. I used to drag race regularly at Pueblo drag strip and even the automatic LT1 Z28 cars were running high 14s-15.0's. And mind you at that time if you did not have slicks or drag radials they made you race on the unprepped portion of the track at Pueblo.

I think the TA need some love and a tune up. Definitely sounded a little strained when it was revved

@V8AmericanMuscleCar

Жыл бұрын

I think so too. It should be at least a second and a half faster.

@wallacerickmanii

Жыл бұрын

It absolutely needs a tune up. Before they even ran, when he revved it, I said something is wrong with that it.

@ghostnike901

Жыл бұрын

@@wallacerickmanii I liked the sound of it to be honest but I agree it shouldn't sound like that lol

Was not aware that a '95 was an early T/A. My '71 was just a dream, I guess.

I have a 35th anniversary Corvette, 1988. Stock it's running 14.4 at 103 mph in Orlando Florida

Best video to wake up to!! Hell yeah! Love you guys. Cheers from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. We should do a video on J body cars. Let's talk about Sunfires Coupes, Cavalier Coupes and Saturn Coupes. Touch up on some history from 1982 - 2005

I have a 91 vette. Last year l98, first year body refresh. This old l98 with the 6 speed manual will make you smile all day. If you can drive it normal 30mpg on the highway is easy.

This is the most casual racing I’ve ever seen LOL! My stock 1991 Mustang 5.0 (only did an exhaust for sound) ran 13.9-14.3 all day long, and C4 Corvettes would always edge me out. This video is so casual it hurts to watch 🤣🤣🤣

Great content totally enjoyed

Watching this video because this summer I’m gonna fix my dads 1994 formula V8 firebird and I’m excited 😂

Those are terrible times. I ran a 14.4 at 99 mph in my 95 Formula Firebird when I ran it back in 00. my 02 T/A ran 13.4 at 105

@jeffflaig362

Жыл бұрын

It's the elevation. Those cars would be in the mid to low 14s at sea level. I had a 89 vette with a auto and 307 gears it ran 13.78 at 100 bone stock other then some mufflers and a rear y pipe

@calinator51

Жыл бұрын

​@Jeff Flaig I have no idea why this channel and others in Colorado like that That Racing Channel or whatever do these. It's embarrassing to hear them list times with cars suffocating in that elevation. Just don't or move.

That C4 Corvette is really impressive. Watching 80's GM be successful is like watching a Cheetah hunt successfully

@angelgjr1999

Жыл бұрын

Them LT engines were ahead of their time

@The123tactics

Жыл бұрын

@@angelgjr1999 It doesn't have the LT it has the l98

@riteousrighthand6144

Жыл бұрын

@@angelgjr1999 The Pontiac is the one rocking the LT1. The LT1 didn't hit the C4, until 1992.

HAPPY FRIDAY ✌️...THANKS KASE TOMMY and Camera Ninja BRENDAN ...Have a good day everybody....

Somethings up with that TA.. should’ve been faster than that L98.. my dad has a LT1 TA he bought new back in 93 and he beat an LT1 Vette .. was close but he still beat it.

@jeffflaig362

Жыл бұрын

Probably more the driver then anything. All being equal the lt1 vette is faster but it also has 35 more hp stock and it's a lighter car. Plus don't forget the independent suspension helps it launch better

@kimvaccaro2786

Жыл бұрын

My 99 z28 used to walk c5 s stock c4 would not stand a chance and f body are pretty light mine was 3490 with a quarter tank of fuel low 13 all day long at 106

@kimvaccaro2786

Жыл бұрын

Lt4 on the other hand and zr1 those are those are the good c4s

@jeffflaig362

Жыл бұрын

@@kimvaccaro2786 99 z28 is LS1 though. You had to have a 6 speed to run that quick in stock 99 z28. My buddy had a brand new 99 auto it would run 14 flat all day long at 102mph. I've seen stock c5 vettes run all over the place from low 14s to high 12s depending on if it was a auto or manual.

@BlackRam17

Жыл бұрын

@@kimvaccaro2786 you were not walking C5s in a stock LS Z

Great video Thank you!

I love these older car races

I had a 88 Corvette back in the 90s,and it came from factory with aluminum heads,that year being lighter than the T/A the LT1 didn't have a chance.

The Comp T/A wins in every area, especially exhaust 🤔

There's a reason why, L98 CORVETTES were, undefeated, in showroom stock SCCA endurance racing back in the mid 80s.

GM should bring back the Trans am today

I had a beautiful C4 '86 Corvette Z51 for 20 years. I was afraid to take it out of the garage because someone would ding it with theyr'e door.

I'd be curious to see a dyno on the T/A. Seems it should be doing a bit better on the acceleration runs. Perhaps the similar torque and lighter weight of the Vette explains it.

@makara

Жыл бұрын

He said that he didn't see any need to rev past 5,000 rpm. He isn't getting the most from the car. Put someone in that can drive and you may get a different result.

@1997SScamaroNOS

Жыл бұрын

The Trans Am needs a driver mod.

@eatshit8907

Жыл бұрын

@@1997SScamaroNOS They both do, guy in the vette shifts slow, the other guy won’t rev past 5k. They’re scared to break something I guess.

@JunkRacecars

Жыл бұрын

@@makara Another thing to note, those factory tachometers are horribly inaccurate and can be a couple hundred RPM off near redline. He was probably shifting at 4500ish RPM. The factory redline isn't until 5800 and the shift point should be around 5600.

@speedracerjeff

Жыл бұрын

Dude can’t drive or the TA isn’t running right. My 95 Z28 LT1 always beat my 88 L98 C4.

You need a driver mod on the trans am!!! Those keep up with C5 Corvettes!!! They don't lose to tuned port C4s!!!!

I'm a current owner of a 93 v6 Firebird, got it with 30k OG MILES and it's at 64k right now. I'm going to get a trans am in about a few months after my car gets resprayed and I'm SO EXCITED! I love trans am's. they're my favorite car.

@deluxalpha4138

21 күн бұрын

Trans Am's were always the better looking sister to the Camaro

@Shibtember

21 күн бұрын

@@deluxalpha4138 absolutely agreed.

@deluxalpha4138

21 күн бұрын

@@Shibtember yeah its a shame Pontiac discontinued them in 02 and then a few years later GM discontinued Pontiac overall... real shame we never got another Firebird

@Shibtember

20 күн бұрын

@@deluxalpha4138 i agree, rip the firebird :( wonderful cars.

Bridgestone is some of the best tires you can get.. They are the biggest maker of tires for a reason.

Love the channel

My 97 ws6 ran a 14.0 bone stock. It ran a 13.4 with full exhaust.

f body or no body baby!!

THAT TRANS AM LOOKS LIKE SOME SORT OF ELECTRONIC SCRUB BRUSH.

C4 and C5 Corvettes are such great performance bargains..

The firechicken needs a tune up. It's so much newer and more powerful, it should not have lost.

You guys are awesome. Doing all the races we did but never had the cameras or videos..lol. I had a 90/6 speed Vette-we modded as much as we could and raced a bunch of what you guys raced. The TPI system was awesome on Torque but the heavy ass flywheel'd ZF6 speed was its enemy. The TPI would run out of top end. That's where the LT1 came in. Great stuff never the less.

@BlackRam17

Жыл бұрын

Awesome until 4500 rpms

I hope you fixed the oil leaks on the Firebird before racing these :(

Even as a diehard Ford Fanatic, I grew up loving F-bodies & Especially Corvettes! A Vette is a Vette, and must be respected👍🏾

Good job knocking 0.7 off the last time the TA was raced!

The T/A should definitely be faster, especially with the 6 speed. The car definitely has an issue beyond driver error.

@jayb3955

Жыл бұрын

yeah, but the vette is really small . on a none prepped surface i could see the extra 700 pounds being a problem for the TA.

@rockoz28ctd

Жыл бұрын

@@jayb3955 lol more like 150 pounds more on the ta

@BlackRam17

Жыл бұрын

It’s mostly driver I think, guy is shifting at like 4800 rpm

@BlackRam17

Жыл бұрын

@@jayb3955 700 lbs what are you on lol

@jayb3955

Жыл бұрын

@@rockoz28ctd I looked it up thought it was more but its over 300 pounds my bad

I have a Mazda3 turbo, and if you brake boost it for more than lets say 5 secs, it will bog down, so the best technique is to rev it and hold it to 2500rpm and release the brake and it shoots off like a crazy cat

Don’t worry, weight and maintenance are slowing me down as well🤪😜

Rear end gearing makes a big difference… 3.73 gears really wake up the LT1 F-Bodies. My 92 LT1 C4 was way faster than my 88 L98 C4. The L98 has no top end and falls on its face in 3rd gear. They should compare a LT1 C4 vs L98 C4.

Great video🎉

My last C4 was a '96 LT4 6-Spd. It wasn't any slower than my C5 LS1. The none Grand Sports are almost unknown by the general public. They don't realize that ever '96 6-Spd has the LT4 Engine, not just the Grand Sport.

@RomVlad

Жыл бұрын

I just purchased a ‘96 LT4 two weeks ago, an amazing car. It was at a good price and I think these cars are under appreciated at the moment, but will only go up in value.

@gk5891

Жыл бұрын

@@RomVlad Definately under appreciated. They are a an absolute steal for a legit 175 mph Sports Car (They have a higher top speed than the GS due to the lower drag). The chassis is a bit flexible, but my '96 LT4 Z51 was an absolute blast at Road Atlanta and Barber during school days. The later Z51s are not bad street cars at all. To be honest they feel more like a Z52 (with less pitch and roll) than the early almost Race Car Stiff Z51. Really hate that I sold it, but I was out of garage space and something had to go.

@RomVlad

Жыл бұрын

@@gk5891 Well, I just picked this car up, it has 76,000 miles on it, all original paint, accident free, very very nice condition,$13,000 . I just had my mechanic go over everything. It does need a new rear shocks, and it does have the F 45 suspension with the original shocks, so I’ll have to take care of that, but he was very impressed by the condition.

@gk5891

Жыл бұрын

@@RomVlad That's one of the nice thing about Corvettes.. They are often weekend toys and can be very well kept with reasonable miles even after a couple of decades. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I did mine.

@RomVlad

Жыл бұрын

@@gk5891 Thank you. I’m thinking in the future maybe some coil overs, another set of wheels and tires, but not really doing anything to the motor. I hope to keep it as long as I possibly can.

I had the 1984 c4 corvette t top 4 speed ,thing was fun to drive during my highschool years

Hard to believe a 95 trans am 6 speed is losing to a 4 + 3 88 corvette. Doesn't make sense

@brandonstewart7145

Жыл бұрын

Old buddy of mine had a 89 Corvette with an automatic and it ran like a striped a-- ape lol, that TA probably needs a tune up and who no's maybe the engine was road hard and put away wet lol!!!!

@BlackRam17

Жыл бұрын

Guy is shifting too early at 4800, needs a tune up too likely

F body for the win! I have an 01 T/A and they will be timeless!

Didn't mention the Torque for the TA.

Best of the 80’s Corvette poster and Farrah Fawcett posters on the wall.🎉 I can’t drive 55

This makes me miss my 97 WS6

The TA -->needs a fuel injection cleaning maybe a compression loss and new differential fluid to check into and it should does destroy the L98 Corvette with ease especially with a manual.

I had a 94 formula firebird with a 285 horsepower lt1 which I ran high 13s with so damn I don’t know what the sea level rate is here in southwest Missouri but 2.5 plus seconds seems a bit off

C4 on top 😍🔥💯

These videos are awesome, but it’s crazy how times have changed. Modern sport utility vehicles would literally beat these performance cars of the passed.

Great video guys! Well informed and very entertaining. As a Trans AM guy, I love seeing these in action! I feel like that TA could use a tuneup but well done overall!

@speedracerjeff

Жыл бұрын

Yeah there’s something wrong with that TA lol. I had a 95 Z28 LT1 and I never lost to a L98 C4… The TA needs work or a better driver, or both…

@RegsChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@speedracerjeff if I do remember correctly the TA was pretty tired, north of 100k miles? But still I expected a bit more. Also a 6 speed does require a certain amount of finesse to launch, if Tommy held it at about 3200k then dumped the clutch I think he would have got the jump, but regardless a good video!

@dnegel9546

Жыл бұрын

Biggest problem with the LT1 is lack of maintenance. Cant say i blame them tho its a pain getting to the optispark. I just hope he does his research and does not toss out that mitsubishi sensor, just replace the rest of the cap and rotor. And get rid of that dexcool junk.

@FWDSUXARSE

Жыл бұрын

​@@dnegel9546 First thing I did when I got my LS1 T/A was replace the deathcool.

@dnegel9546

Жыл бұрын

@@FWDSUXARSE can’t believe gm still sells that thing. Supposedly they changed the formula or something. But i aint trying to find out. Took me forever to get rid off the dexcool in my lt1. Peak + water wet kept my temps in check without even changing to a 160t stat. 🙂 I couldn’t believe water wet actually worked.

Man, you guys need to DRIVE those cars, WTF are you doing out there?!

Please get somebody in that TA who knows how to drive!

0:54 my 88 vette with a manual trans ran a 13.6 if you don’t get close to that, give up on racing all together.

I have both of these cars. 97ta and 04 corvette. The corvette is much better off the line , but the trans am is a burnout machine.

Cool video

Why couldn't they find an LT-1 Corvette made within a year or two of the TransAm? Would have made the comparison more interesting.

I feel like the Mazda didn’t get a fair shake. Can they not disable or partially disable the TC? Is there no sport mode?

Trans Am Pontiac Fire Bird is the true American Rebel Muscle car. Hands down 😎

Lete tell ya that 2.8 muti port FI v6 they put in in i think it was a 1987 or 88 trans am was awesome that year model am was best geared car ive ever saw it had great take off and top end gearing was so good

Might want to shop c4 zr1 prices again lol no decent shape ones are under 35k now. I looked for a solid year before I bought mine, and prices kept rising. I spent about 7k more than I would have if I pulled the trigger last year. C4 zr1 is such an underrated car and the overlooked classic right now. When the c4 zr1 came out a 71 zr1 was 18k.. a 71 zr1 today is 350k and a 71 base car is 20k 😉

I just bought a C6 so all this corvette action has my blood pumping

@doitdoits4109

Жыл бұрын

I bought a '05 base auto with 90,000 on the odometer 7 years ago for $16,000. The prices have gone way up on these but the performance to $$ is insane. I don't think you can buy more performance for the $$$.

Please tell me where you can get a TA like that for 6,600 I can’t even seem to find a good formula in that price range

Smogged up, Super Duty 455 used to turn 13's in factory trim, back in 1973 . . . . . TWO seconds faster than the big block Corvette of the same year. AND THEY WERE CARBURETED SMOG MOTORS!

This is the kind of videos i like. Always have an old and a new. It makes perfect sense to race these two.

I have a 95 corvette and a 94 firebird formula the vette is a superb car in every way

Does the Mazda allow traction control to be turned off?

I have an LT1 in a camaro with a procharger ,big difference, try it

What does the lever on the top of the steering column do on the corvette?

@enemy2921

Жыл бұрын

Older c4s had adjustable steering tilt and telescope. I think that's the telescoping adjustment.

14.01 in Texas Heat stock tires and a cold air tube. High 13.9s with a little cooler temps... 1995 Trans Am

@lifebringsus4393

Жыл бұрын

Yeah texas is a lot different in elevation to where these guys are at. They are most likely north of 5000 DA.

Pontiac FIREBIRD Trans Am

That short shift

Performance meant something different in this Era. Most modern SUV's would run away from these cars.

You said the trans am needs maintenance…. You didn’t even give it a tune up before this race? I’m gonna say from experience that the LT1 should win a fairly close drag race. And should pull pretty decently from a roll

T Top T/A is heavier than tin top....but obvious way cooler😎