That how we tied a chain around 1.5 wire rope when we moved drilling rigs in the 80s

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

Fascinating! I have no way to confirm or deny your claim, so I'll take your word on this one! It certainly sounds plausible! This would be a great hitch for locking a chain onto a large wire rope as you describe, so it makes perfectly good sense! At least now I've rediscovered it, given it a name, and made a long and short form video to catalogue it/teach the world how to tie and enjoy it! If it were to be used in the way that you describe, it would have to be tied using one end of a chain (versus both ends of a hitch cord as shown in my video) and loaded on only one leg! That means this friction hitch has the potential to be tied with the tail of a rope or with a split tail as part of a closed or open moving rope system (MRS)! I'll have to experiment with that and give it a try! If oriented in the chirality shown in this video, it would likely work best when loaded on the right leg only and with a stopper knot on the left to prevent it from coming undone! Thanks for commenting! Great insight! =-D

@atommachine

Ай бұрын

Moray Firth North Sea Style yep.

I'm watching this at night. Does that make me knot-ternal?

@user-gu1cv2kr9y

Ай бұрын

You're supposed to see yourself out after something like that

@user-gu1cv2kr9y

Ай бұрын

😂

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

Bahaha, solid zinger, my friend! Solid zinger! That was pretty clever.

@PheGaming

Ай бұрын

​@@user-gu1cv2kr9ythey fell asleep before they could leave

Seems unnecessarily complicated. As an old climber (not a bold climer) KISS is always preferred as it limits mistakes in knot tying

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

As far as I'm concerned, and as someone who has created and tested 85+ new and original friction hitches, I have to say that this is actually quite an easy friction hitch to tie and to memorize. If you check out the long form videos and Shorts in my video library on my channel, you will see that I have created some truly "complicated" friction hitches. This hitch -- in my opinion -- is one of the most simple and straightforward friction hitches that I've created. For comparison, I'd say it's not any more complicated to tie than the Michoacán, Cornell, or Catalyst friction hitches; all of which are very popular, mainstream arborist/tree climbing hitches regularly used by climbers! Nevertheless, I value your opinion and thank you so much for commenting. Also, welcome to my channel! Be sure to check out my long form videos about tree climbing methods and techniques if that interests you! I have nearly 300 videos at this point. I also have tons of knot tying tutorials! If you ever have any questions, comments, suggestions, or just want to talk shop, I can be reached at knotorious.contact@gmail.com.

@Ismuk

29 күн бұрын

So. Kiss your knowledge of friction hitches that's releasable under load?

@Knot-orious

29 күн бұрын

​@@Ismuk Are you responding to me or the guy that said "KISS?" If you're responding to me, then my response is pretty straightforward and simple: any friction hitch worth using should be able to be released under load. So, in summary, any popular mainstream friction hitch (and all of the hitches I've created) can be released under load. However, there is a caveat when discussing SRS, because friction hitches will not work on a stationary rope system (they will either fail to release or release briefly and then jam) unless you use them with a device known as a rope wrench (which actually refers to the wrench, a tether, and a slack tending pulley). If you're asking me which friction hitches will work SRS ***without*** a rope wrench, then I can only think of a handful; maybe 4-5 hitches (such as the Sticht hitch, created by my friend Brocky; the Synergy and the PrecisionSRS 1 through 5 hitches that I created; and the Synergy X, created by a third person from the TreeBuzz forum. While I have created the most hitches of this type, the very first, and still the best, is probably Brocky's Sticht hitch. I have videos for ALL of this htiches on my channel. Just use the search function at the top of my channel page.

@XbunkerXballerX7127

5 күн бұрын

I don't agreement different hitches run differently. If you're doing rope access work that matters. I don't think you know as much as you think you know.

@Knot-orious

5 күн бұрын

@@XbunkerXballerX7127 I do know quite a lot. But I'm not ego stroking myself here. I'm just saying that I've created a lot of friction hitches and know what I'm talking about. I don't think you even know me or even have any grasp of my knowledge; the same can be said for me about you and your knowledge. How can you claim that I don't know what I'm talking about based off of a few responses on KZread? Pretty silly if you ask me.

I can see how without too much trouble that whole thing can fall apart and provide no anchor at all. The top loop could be pulled down outside the 2nd one and then the whole - what did you call it, coil? - just comes apart. Wouldn't want to stake my life on it, fer sher.

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure what you're talking about. So long as both of the resulting legs are being captured by a carabiner and, so long as you don't allow the hitch to slide off of the end of your rope, there is absolutely ZERO CHANCE that this hitch would "come apart" or collapse unless you tied it wrong.

@christopherbedford9897

Ай бұрын

@@Knot-orious I don't have any suitable rope to try my hypothesis out, so I'll take your word for it.

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

​@@christopherbedford9897 Thank you. I would never post a video for a new friction hitch, and encourage people to trust their lives to it, unless I were 100% confident that it is safe. But that doesn't mean I can't make mistakes. So if you happen to prove me wrong at some point, definitely call me out on it. I'd want to know. =-D

@Knot-orious

28 күн бұрын

I just sat down and took a hard look at this hitch, fearing that you might be onto something, and I can now confidently confirm that it would be impossible to collapse this hitch unless one or both of the legs were unsecured from the climber. Thankfully, the way you use this hitch requires that both legs be secured, so a collapse is impossible unless the hitch slides off the rope. Additionally, the more this hitch is loaded, the more secure it becomes. I appreciate you taking the time to express your concern. I took it very seriously. Based off of your comment getting more "likes" than mine, apparently some people agree with you. I'm still not even sure what you're getting at, but it was enough cause for concern that I re-examined the hitch thoroughly. I'm 100% certain I am correct. I would absolutely take the video down if I weren't. Thanks again, though.

@christopherbedford9897

28 күн бұрын

@@Knot-orious 👍😎 Hard to explain without pictures of my own! But I was referring to the topmost part of the blue rope which I it looks like to my low-experienced eye could unravel (with enough wiggling of the orange one). Obviously if the orange rope was rigid like a pole, or under tension, that could never happen, but I thought that if the knot was tied, then moved about, and only then used, maybe 🤷‍♂ Anyway you clearly know more about this than I do 😝

Is there any advantage over a standard prusik?

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

YES! Absolutely! A standard prusik is NOT a very good climbing friction hitch at all unless all you're going to be doing is using it for ascents. If you try to descend on a prusik, even with a rope wrench, it has the potential to jam badly or engage way too hard on the rope, generating too much friction. It's also impossible to advance a prusik on a rope with a slack tending pulley because it is an omnidirectional friction hitch and locks in both directions, and because it is tied using a loop. Prusiks are only really useful for rigging, hauling, and progress capture applications or for third hands if you climb with one below a Figure 8/Rescue 8 descender. But that's only because the descender will be holding 70% of your body weight, with only 30% on the prusik, making it harder for the prusik to jam. This hitch (my Chemistry hitch) on the other hand, is a CLIMBING hitch. It is designed to be used for not only ascents, but for descents as well, and works beautifully "as is" with a moving rope system (MRS) or as part of a stationary rope system (SRS) if you add a rope wrench to it. Because of its design, it grabs just as readily as a prusik, but it will also "break" (release) way more easily for descents with no risk of jamming. It also is tied using an eye to eye hitch cord versus a loop, which means it can be used with hardware like a rope wrench or a slack tending pulley. And, finally, because this hitch is unidirectional (can only be loaded in on direction), a slack tending pulley works beautifully with it! Great question! If you have any more questions, dont hesitate to ask!

@ggs4989

15 күн бұрын

​@@Knot-oriousdo you think there is a simpler hitch with the same advantages?

@Knot-orious

15 күн бұрын

@ggs4989 Sure! Although, I wouldn't consider this to be very complicated for what it's worth. Try my Calligraphy hitch instead: kzread.info9IPQJwCmpyE?feature=share Or my Blizzard hitch. Here's a Short for the tying method: kzread.infogNINF4N9Au4?feature=share Also have two full length videos discussing and testing the Blizzard hitch in my recent long form videos. Check it out. Or you could try a hitch that I didn't create, but is great, the Michoacan: kzread.info30-5DTRShjk?feature=share Hope this helps you!

Any chance to show it in action? Doesn't have to be climbing-proper, but climbing adjacent situation to break it down and demonstrate its usefulness

@Knot-orious

28 күн бұрын

I've created over 85+ different friction hitches of all different types and complexity, so it isn't realistic for me to make a demo video for all of them. Also, I'm in the middle of moving between AZ and MA, so I won't be making any new content for a few weeks. However, what I can tell you is that, if I have the time, and if I am inspired to do so, I will make a climbing demo video and break everything down. I just recently made a quick demo video for my Blizzard friction hitch. Here is that video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqlrysOSl9rghKg.html Perhaps this might help you understand how they work a little better. I only demonstrate it with SRS (didn't show MRS), but still, it might be helpful. Also, here is a full breakdown of the Blizzard hitch that I made, along with slower tying instructions. I believe the Blizzard hitch is actually a better hitch than the Chemistry hitch for what it's worth. But both are great choices. Here's that other video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oaCst7CMZsbHYNI.html

Take out all the extra Spirals and you have a hitch

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

This IS a hitch and an excellent one at that. When you say "spirals," are you referring to the adjustability/secondary stage below the coil or are you referring to the coil. Hopefully you aren't referring to the coil because then the hitch wouldn't even work. If you're referring to the adjustability/secondary stage, then you would merely be left with something known as a "Valdotain," which is one of the very first, most basic friction hitches known to man (not to be confused with the Valdotain Tresse, which is a Valdotain with braids). It's basically an autobloc that's tied using an eye to eye versus a loop. A Valdotain is not a very good climbing hitch; especially not for arborist style tree climbing. It's only useful for rigging/progress capture and requires at least 6-7 wraps in the coil to be considered safe/reliable, which is why an adjustability/secondary stage is NECESSARY for creating functional, reliable CLIMBING friction hitch. Thanks for commenting, though. Hopefully you can clarify for me what you meant by this comment!

Similar in a way to valdotain tresse

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

Maybe in the sense that they are both friction hitches and can be used for identical applications. However, the actual tying method of the VT differs dramatically from my Chemistry hitch, and the VT has a MUCH longer profile (less compact than my hitch). Either way, thanks for commenting and sharing your opinion on my new friction hitch! =-D

What would you use this hitch for? Have you applied it to anything?

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

This could be used by arborists/tree climbers for ascending and descending a rope using either a moving rope system (MRS) or a stationary rope system (SRS) with a rope wrench. This could also be used on an adjustable lanyard. This could also be used by pretty much any discipline of climber (arborist, rescue, alpine, rock, canyoner, etc.) for progress capture in a hauling/pulling mechanical advantage system or it could be used, again, to ascend or descend on a rope, among a variety of other different applications. I personally test every friction hitch that I've created and made videos for on my channel. Each of my hitches goes through a battery of different tests to ensure that each of the friction hitches I share with the world are truly safe, reliable and life supporting! I value my own safety, but I also value your safety, as well as the safety of anyone else who sees one of my hitch videos and wants to try out/use one of them at height. Thanks for commenting! Let me know if you have any further enquiries, and be sure to check out my channel where I have huge library of friction hitch, knot, and tree climbing videos (both Shorts and long form). And welcome to my channel!

Itd be nice if you could do this with a prusik look and not have to have the ends undone

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

You would tie this using an eye to eye hitch cord that has either sewn or spliced eyes at each end and would be between 28-32" in length depending upon the application, rope diameter, eye to eye diameter and personal preferences. Or you could tie poacher's loops at each "undone" end to form eyes so that a carabiner can slip through.

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

You could also connect the two ends with a secure bend to form a loop for a connection point.

Is there an advantage to this over a VT prusik?

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

This will work just as well as a VT, but each hitch has some unique benefits. I dislike using the VT because it has such a long profile and tons of setback. Because of all of the braids, every time you advance the hitch during ascent, you'll be "set back," or lose," around 3" of your progress as the hitch stretches back down as you reapply your weight over and over. That won't happen with this hitch. Also, my hitch has a MUCH shorter profile, meaning it is roughly half as long as a VT, which a lot of climbers really prefer for many reasons. This makes it a better hitch for a rope wrench for example because, with a VT, it's so long that it can sometimes actually contact the wrench portion of your rope wrench, giving a climbing very little room to place their fingers above the coil to "break" (release) the hitch. With my Chemistry hitch, there will be ample room between the wrench and the top of the hitch, even if you use a shorter tether. Great question!

Bachman hitch

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

What about it? The Bachmann hitch is tied using a sewn or knotted loop around the spine of a carabiner and a rope. Here's a Short I made for the Bachmann: kzread.info0iJXBqx5Y50 It's almost exclusively used by alpinists and I, personally, don't trust it. It isn't useful at all for arborists/tree climbers, but it's definitely one of the most well-known, oldest, and most popular friction hitches. Thanks for commenting!

Can it be released while loaded? As with the vt and xt prusik?

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

Yes, absolutely. It will release very easily "as is" if you use it with a moving rope system (MRS). But if you want to use it with a stationary rope system (SRS), you would need to use it with a rope wrench! It's probably not going to release with an SRS without a rope wrench the way a VT or XT might, though. It's not designed for that. I have created several other hitches that do work SRS without a wrench, but this isn't one of them. Great question. Thanks for commenting!

@kyleboyd6026

Ай бұрын

@@Knot-orious yes I should have clarified. I am srt. I appreciate your reply

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

@@kyleboyd6026 Not a problem. Always happy to help!

That seems a lot like a midshipman hitch on a secondary

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

If you're saying my Chemistry hitch bears resemblance to the single strand Midshipman's hitch (the cinching/adjustable/locking loop knot), I don't see the comparison at all. The two are tied very differently. A Midshipman's hitch that is tied around a rope without the loop is (I believe) the same as the Rolling hitch (here's a video for that hitch: kzread.infoxbCPS9YgBcE) If you're saying it looks a lot like the Double Eye Midshipman's FRICTION hitch tied with an eye to eye, then a) I'm impressed that you even know about that hitch's existence because it is an extremely obscure friction hitch and b) it is still tied very differently than my Chemistry friction hitch. Here's a really old video I made showing how to tie the Double Eye Midshipman's friction hitch using an eye to eye: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y5-Nq6x8ZMm0pKw.html Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you! I apologize if I am! Either way, I still value your opinion and thank you for commenting! =-D

@konijntjesbroek

Ай бұрын

@Knot-orious sorry if I offended. I learn by lumping things by similar process and the midshipmans can be made using a rolling hitch #2, creating a load bearing awning hitch to support the bind, or it can be tied internally using a rolling hitch #1 (taught in bsa, no awning hitch internal) which resembles what you've done here. More loops than the standard msh, but the same principles. Also differs in the method as it isn't self cored, but the eye is created around a secondary line. I am also curious how it plays in differently sized lines. I'd expect smaller around larger would bite a bit better, large around smaller would be pretty prone to slippage. Either way, I greatly appreciate the demo and contribution to my understanding. Will definitely be doing some testing with this.

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

You definitely DID NOT offend me, my friend. I just had a difficult time agreeing with your perspective. However, now that you've explained yourself a little more thoroughly, I better appreciate what you're saying. You seem to have a strong understanding of knots and I respect that. Yes, I agree that this hitch would most certainly function best when tied "smaller around larger!" If you decide to actually do some testing, let me know how it goes and what you learn from the tests! Also, be sure to check out my other videos on my channel! I make Shorts, but I also make tons of long form videos as well, so be sure to check them out as well! I also make tons of videos about arborist style tree climbing if that interests you! Thanks for your educated and intelligent comment and welcome to my channel!

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

If you ever have any questions, comments, suggestions, or just want to talk shop, I can be reached at knotorious.contact@gmail.com.

Ya, not a good knot relative to others...

@Knot-orious

Ай бұрын

Did you even spend a day climbing on it or are you just judging it based off of appearances and making assumptions? lol Having said that, it's definitely not my favorite hitch, nor is it even in my top 10 that I've created. So I mostly agree with you. If you look through my library, there are better hitches of mine like the Calligraphy, Blizzard, Synthesis, G-Force, Felicitous, etc.

Munter cousin

@Knot-orious

5 күн бұрын

How so? This is FAR MORE SOPHISTICATED than the Munter Hitch. I sort of see a Munter in the secondary stage if that's what you mean.

@ayldog

5 күн бұрын

@@Knot-orious you’re complicating knots. I can repel and ascend on both Blake and munter

@Knot-orious

5 күн бұрын

@ayldog fair point.

@Knot-orious

5 күн бұрын

Altough, my friction hitch will grab you once you release it. A Munter will not.