Athlons and early Pentium 4s were awesome late Win98 gamers. They had the extra power that wasn't wasted on the NT architecture of 2k/XP that really helped out in late 3D games.

@justsumguy2u

2 жыл бұрын

I did a Win98 install on an IBM Netvista desktop with a P4 1.8 Ghz---it was pretty fast

@SOU6900

2 жыл бұрын

Is that the Slot A athlons, or later ones for Socket A?

@CptJistuce

2 жыл бұрын

@@SOU6900 Both, really. A slotted Athlon was a compelling alternative to a Pentium 2/3. And a socketed Athlon... those things screamed. Ran Win98 on a 1333 MHz TBird for a good while(oh, for a way to overclock it by just 4 MHz...). Fun system.

@SOU6900

2 жыл бұрын

@@CptJistuce If I remember correctly I've got 2 slot A Thunderbirds. One I believe is a 750 the other a 900, which is currently installed on a basic Gateway board in my original 98SE system.

@only257

2 жыл бұрын

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Awesome machines! And I miss Midtown Madness! 😁

I was born in 2000. Used to play games as Midtown Madness, Unreal Tournament (2),... It's all coming back! Thanks for the nostalgia

@user-tz2ch1im3r

Ай бұрын

haha born in 82.... first computer 92 right when Wolf 3d came out , ID solfware first big hit after Commander Keen series.... you missed the cool install games from disk era.. insert disk 1 press enter , insert disk 2 press enter.. type .exe file to run game. plus all those autoexec and config.sys files in DOS and the power menu to give you more conventional memory . I stopped buying games after Red alert 1 that my 486 could run just

Thanks for making this. I'm in the process of weeding out machines I don't need (for my wife's sanity). I've found some of the Windows 95 games don't play nice with Pentium 4. I'm still trying out games, but I've found you can play most games from the early 90s through about 2005 on two main machines. Especially if you use motherboards with a robust BIOS and are willing to swap peripherals and boot drives.

Windows 3.1,Windows 95,Windows 98,Windows 2000/ME,Windows XP & Windows 7 are my childhood!

You can't get any "retro" tech cheap on ebay in the UK anymore. About 8 years ago you could get a high end Slot 1 Pentium III for less than £10, now ebay sellers want £45. Old graphics cards are overpriced too, especially 3DFX cards. I remember deciding not to pay £25 for a Voodoo 5 a few years ago, now people want £200! Complete Pentium II systems cost over £100 now, it's ridiculous. I'm glad I built my retro rig before everyone got greedy.

@RetroSpector78

2 жыл бұрын

indeed. It is crazy how some of these things are selling on ebay. Not the prices I'm seeing here at local listings. There doesn't seem to be a real market for second hand retro stuff over here. At least not for selling :)

@MixShadowlight

2 жыл бұрын

Nowadays even agp graphics cards like the geforce 6200 are selling for ludicrous prices in my area (these are not the ones that you can possibly get to work with a G4 cube). Seen afew of them asking for SGD $50.

@SMlFFY85

2 жыл бұрын

@@MixShadowlight I actually bought a 6200 PCI a couple of years ago, I think that was £30+. Stupid money but I wanted it to just to see how it worked in a Pentium III, Window 98 SE build.

@MixShadowlight

2 жыл бұрын

@@SMlFFY85 the ones they are selling are the agp version which are way more common and are literally worth nothing.

I have built a couple of retro PCs and was lucky to get hold of a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP card. I love the 3D effects it creates especially with Quake and the expansion packs.

I have been more of a purist with my retro pcs but finding parts can be frustrating and expensive. I am starting to warm up to this approach for late 90's games. Very accessible and great performance. Get yours while they are still cheap.

@RetroSpector78

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed ... as a collector or youtuber its nice to have a variety of different time period correct things, but for the casual gamer that wants a nostalgic hit, this is as good as it gets.

@SeeJayPlayGames

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroSpector78 By the time I was messing with socket 939 (an Opteron 170 dual-core, that I eventually lost due to virus and theft) I was already running Windows XP on Athlon XP's (1GB RAM) and even a socket 754 Athlon 64...(1.25GB RAM - don't ask). I felt Windows 98 was a little "retro" for no good reason at that time, and never really had good luck with dual booting, so I never tried the Infernal Machine route with older operating systems... back in the day, I tended to be more current with the software than with the hardware, if you know what I mean. I also used to build systems from sometimes white-box parts. Now I'm running an old 4th gen i5 Optiplex with Windows 10. It has 8GB, so it works. Threw a 1030GT in it because the case mandated a single-slot half-height card. I wish I could do something bigger, or they could design something smaller/faster. I should have gotten the MT case instead of SFF, because a 1060/6GB or 1070 would be perfect. But I do like the smaller case. They should make the 1660 Super smaller. A lot smaller. I wonder how the Quadros (T600, for example) are for gaming? Anyway, now, I guess I'm still more current software-wise than hardware... it's a function of income I suppose. Sorry to ramble, but I guess I got lost in the nostalgia... among other things...

@damian9303

Жыл бұрын

I think so long as the drivers exist, there’s no wrong in getting the right combination of hardware which have them available. I’ve been finding laptops preconfigured with the right hardware specs like that, they pack more power than the desktops of the time but I can use and bring them wherever I want to whenever I want to.

Great video! Most of my Windows 98 PCs are timed correctly, but I still have a Windows 98 Infernal Machine. It has 1 GB DDR2 667, SATA2 with 128 GB SSD, Core 2 Duo E6750 with 2.66 GHz and Voodoo 2 SLI cards. The SLI configuration is connected via a PCI to PCI Express bridge. A GeForce 7600 GT with 256 MB is installed as the main graphics card. All Windows 98 games run on it. A real monster ... The SSD even manages almost 300MB per sek under Windows 98. Unfortunately, it works the Soundblaster 16 emulation of the Soundblaster Live cards no longer works on newer boards.

@darunealbane

2 жыл бұрын

How does 98 handle multi core? I know win2000 serv has 4 cpu 4gb ram support

@chrisrudi7162

2 жыл бұрын

@@darunealbane Single processor support only. Interestingly, the Core2Duo is recognized as a Pentium 3. Meanwhile I have an E8500 with 3,1 Ghz running with Win98.

I remember trying to get the Unreal Flyby to hit 60fps... it was time consuming, but fun as heck. :)

i love your videos !! you do great things with these computers! this machine was great at running these games.! it was really fun seeing that

Awesome video as always, it’s cool to see these machines work without issues!

@RetroSpector78

2 жыл бұрын

Not saying it doesn't have issues, but seems to be working fine for now.

@xpmyt341

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroSpector78 Good luck with it

Very cool and detailed as always. Thanks!

Ah Pentium 4... i can hear the popping sounds and smell the burning capacitors from here... mmmm the memories

I can't believe the athlon XP cpus are nearly 20 years old

i love the older machines i have a few and i like those older cases they were made better back then very strong back then

Interesting approach. This kind of stuff is not just cheap, it's often dumpster stuff. Got the feeling that this kind of machines might begin to be a bit more appreciated and gain a bit of value, thus shifting the dumpster category more towards Core Duos and such only... if it wasn't for the capacitor issues.

That ULI splash screen sure looked a lot better with the video drivers installed!

You have beautiful piece of history. I like them

14:15 Ah yes, my favorite sound manager interface. A reason why I love the Realtek audio driver to have in every computer I own.

HT, in the BIOS, means Hyper Transport, not Hyper Threading.

very good video. thank you for my nostalgia.

I got the short end of the stick by getting an socket 939 system with an ATI RS480 chipset though. The stupid thing is how I managed to get all the drivers except the chipset drivers to play nice with Windows 98 on it. Unfortunately, it is entirely unusable with a really notable stutter every few seconds.

Oh that's cool 👌🏻, i have a Opteron socket 939 system laying around and an ATI 9600 or 9700 pro, seems like a good pairing for a windows 98 system 👌🏻

Gorgeous speakers!

Wish i had that pc in the 90s

@RetroSpector78

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine that ... would have been mind blowing.

@SeeJayPlayGames

2 жыл бұрын

That PC configuration didn't exist until the early 2000's. That would have annihilated anything available in the 1990s. So, yeah. You're not wrong. Just anachronistic.

Ahh, a whitecase computer---a reminder of the days when it was cheaper to have a computer store build you one vs buying one pre-built from a major manufacturer. My, how things have changed. Btw, these old computers have become quite pricey here in the US

@mrmerlin6287

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your comment is 8 months old at this point, but it's now becoming almost cheaper to build a PC again as opposed to getting a pre-built from Dell, etc.

@justsumguy2u

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrmerlin6287 Unless you're talking about a gaming rig, it's still cheaper to buy prebuilt. I've seen prebuilt desktops for as little as $300, and I paid $500 for my Dell, which came with a Core i5 and 8 gb of ram

@mrmerlin6287

2 жыл бұрын

@@justsumguy2u Ah, yes. I was still refering to a gaming PC. I don't use a PC professionally, just as a way to play games.

I actually just built a Windows 98 PC, mine has a Pentium II 350mhz, 96MB of ram, a Radeon 7500, and an Aureal Vortex Advantage.

Memories ....great video.

*HT in athlons means HyperTransport. Loved this video

Those Antec cases were imported by Chenming USA; they're gone, now, but for a while they still existed, I even managed to get some replacement hardware for one of their cases as recently as 6 or 7 years ago. I had a full server tower I used as my gaming system, but my God was it an oven with modern components inside! Temporarily switched back to a Raidmax Scorpio, then finally settled on the modern case I have now. E: they're also impossible to cable manage.

For 98 there's a un official service pack, mods that add functionality from newer windows.

Excelente vídeo! Muito obrigado e um abraço do Brasil!

You know what all this 3 PCs are mixage of high and low end. I'd choose the best parts of them like gigabyte mobo with nforce cool multimedia chipset place it in restored antec case add fast agp and decent pci audio for great win xp games like doom3 for example :)

@PROSTO4Tabal

2 жыл бұрын

Retrobright for antec tower and clear coat to prevent from further yellowing of the plasic

@PROSTO4Tabal

2 жыл бұрын

Audigy 2 ZS will be my choice for audio, another cool is auzen x-fi prelude

@robertcraane7910

2 жыл бұрын

Or a sort of reversed sleeper, in a new Antec case and a lot of RGB......

oh, nice. A Club3D/Powercolor Radeon 8500/9100 Low Profile Card. That is one of the best low profile cards of its time. Today there are better cards with RV350 chips though...

@Stefan_Payne

2 жыл бұрын

@Green Mamba Games yeah, with the FX Series nVidia lost the Plot. the Architecture was just bad and IIRC it was texturing that stalled the Shader pipeline... No idea what nVidia was thinking with that Approach...

I have the same Antec case, and it is freaking heavy!

Great content 😀

awesome win98 machine(s)!

Nice video. Thanks.

I would like to see a video on how to make an unattended Windows 98 SE installation that includes all the drivers you'll need (and probably some KB patches), since I'm really tired to have to do this process that you've showcased in this amazing video every single time I want to re-install W98 on a machine!

@Neksus-M06

2 жыл бұрын

Philscomputerlab. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dJqL2Zp6fKqpgZM.html

@xpmyt341

2 жыл бұрын

@@Neksus-M06 That really helps

Windows 7 on a machine with 32 megabyte of ram… that’s courages of the pervious owner. I bet it must have been a bit slow. It seems that your Win 98 install went a lot smoother then on my Pentium 4. My machine is not ideal for it, 2 gigabytes of ram, requiring hacks and tweaks. For some odd reason the graphics card drivers should support win 98 SE, but fail to work. SCI tech display doctor to the rescue to get 16 bit colour depth. It really helped me out there.

With this kind of setup, you might as well switch to VGA port and use the 75 Hz mode for smoother real framerates.

Athlon xp machine with a geforce 3 or geforce 4 series gpu like a mx 440, slap a fan on that & overclock it a bit would do pretty well as a windows 98, early windows xp machine. btw checking the motherboard manual you'd want memory installed in 1 - 3 or 2 - 4 for dual channel so different colored slots, also if there is an option called " flexibility " nearby where you adjust memory speed, cpu multiplier etc... you might have better memory compatibility with that enabled. Worth looking at early 2000's windows xp laptops as well for a more portable windows 98 or windows 2000 machines, my dell inspiron 6000, ati x300 graphics, pentium m 1.5 ghz 1.5 gb ram pretty low amount of games that doesnt like the ram amount & the gpu but otherwise runs what i want very well.

@SOU6900

2 жыл бұрын

I got that same gpu in both my 98 and ME systems. 98 is rocking that old school Slot A Athlon Thunderbird. ME is some sort of Socket A cpu.

please consider if the actual bus (cache, L1/L2 memory) speed is still 100MHz, despite the ALU frequency multiplier

I just installed 98 windows on the old site where the installation was mounted to take advantage of games that matter what it was like 20 years back.

Nice config! 👍

I agree, the goal is to run windows 98 se on real and compatible hardware in order to achieve software compatibility with software from that period

I'm in the process of getting my 98 and ME systems back in working order. 98 just got a fresh CMOS battery, now just needs a bigger hard drive and one or 2 new CD drives. One drive for some reason won't read the first disk for The Sims Complete Collection, the other the mechanism to open and close it is jacked up big time. ME system as far as I can tell just needs a PSU which is half the battle since I need one with a lot of Amp capacity on 3.3 and 5 volt rails. Once I get them both back in working order I'm going to see if I can find updated Nvidia drivers for the GeForce4 MX440 cards that both systems have.

Retro pcs were always cream white, miss the good old days

Midtown Madness and NF3 aren't demanding ! I played it on Voodoo Banshee, it worked fine !

I used to have a chieftec case in the same family (them the antec) but with 6 5"1/4 expansion bay, a beast of more them 44 pound.

IIRC the memory runs so slow because of the dividers of the A64's memory controller. Put it manually to DDR400 as the board doesn't do it for some reason, if you're running at stock. If you overclock it, then use lower speed from BIOS.

Great video like always, but 22:38 why do you say retro like Scooby Doo?

I have d865glc board with 3ghz pentium 4 hyperthreaded. I had so many driver problems at first with windows 98. Atleast it was free pc and was "fun" to build.

I still have my athlon 64 4400+ and an athlon 64 4000+, I could very easily turn it into a 98 retro gamer and have fun with it, even have a nice lcd I could use. I want to say I have athlon xp's, 2700+ and a 3200+ around too. I probably should consider selling them as I don't have a lot of 98 games I would want to revisit in retro gaming scenarios or have the time. However i'm a little disappointed that steam and gog haven't had more titles I would be interested in from back in the day, so turning one into a retro machine seems tempting.

Ho,I've a question Using a proper CRT Monitor that has VGA output In order to play correctly DOS Games Who have 320*200 or 620*480 native resolution In the Monitor CRT and on the Video card of the PC, what's the resolution that I have to set? Thanks

Tip: install the AGP motherboard driver first (and reboot) before installing the graphics card driver.

@Hakan89

2 жыл бұрын

Please tell me why :D

GREAT video!! Keep up the good work :)

That cable management hurt my head!

Nice

cool computer!

Due the import and custom fees based in the weight of the package in my country, importing old computers are extremely costly, even you got it cheaper in eBay, you have to pay for the shipping plus i need to use a package forwarder to deliver in my country, which makes the costs increase even more. So i opted to import laptops, and got lucky when i found a PIII Toshiba Satellite 2800 for $50 here in my country, with light cosmetic wear. again, i'll still have to import parts because many old parts are not longer available here.

@abooogeek

2 жыл бұрын

and the problem with old rigs, they are heavy as hell. Sure they are built like tanks, but the weight!

I wonder if there'll be any retro hardware left years from now. I'm planning on building a Windows 98 SE PC as a sort of interactive Wayback Machine for my childhood software. I've already set up a similar VM aptly named "Wayback Virtual Machine" with VMware WS Pro. Works great, except some programs are sadly incompatible with VMware's 3D acceleration (e.g., Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX and Encarta's 3D Virtual Tours).

If I ever have space, I'd like to have a Windows 95/98 PC and a Windows XP PC, to cover the gamut of games over the years. It's surprising just how many Windows games from years passed just don't work on modern machines.

HI RetroSpector78, do you by chance happen to have the original Windows 98SE drivers for the Intel D875PBZ. I can't seem to find the drivers anywhere as Intel has stopped supporting all old drivers for old hardware. Please, let me know if you have the drivers or know where I can find them. Thanks!

You're kinda like the youtuber "LGR" , from your intros to content quality

I have that same Antec case! I bought it when it was new. It is very heavy, but it's my favorite retro rig anyway. Mine didn't yellow much at all thankfully. I wonder why the one in the video yellowed so unevenly....

What you think about some cheap or dumpster windows 98 se gaming rig? Socket 754 machine : AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2 Ghz, mb ms7181 rev 2.0 , Ati Radeon 9250 128 mb 128 bit, , 512 mb ram , 10 gb hdd (ata) and win 98se and last directx 9.0 for win 98.

Ah, Windows 7 on an athlon XP is not too bad- main problem is memory.. The machine in general would feel an awful lot better than XP on a pentium 1!

@TheotanyaSama

2 жыл бұрын

WinXP was quite light. I managed to install it on a mere Pentium 133 with 64Mb RAM. Sure, it was slow but just for text editing, it was OK. But I used a later S7 motherboard model (Tyan Trinity S1592 ATX with AGPSet Chipset) with 384mb RAM, a k6-2 333MHz AMD CPU and a Geforce FX5500 [I know, quite overkill for the rest of the specs but i only had this one at this time] as a main driver for some times in the early 2010's and, beside games, i could do almost anything i need to do with it (including web browsing)

1:15- when you will be reviewing this Intel motherboard? I've checked next videos, and there's only some XT oldies.

hello i have an asus p2b t motherboard that no longer recognizes the secondary ide i tried with various hdd and cd readers but nothing. do you have any idea?

Can you check AGP transfer rate config in the BIOS ? It seems to be set to 4x. I find it hard to believe that this mobo doesn't support 8x. Not that I think GF2MX would benefit from that (then maybe it would, something to test :D ), but it would be good to set it for 8x in case in future you would like to add some beefier GPU.

did you ever recap this motherboard ? Can't find anymore video's on this lot that you picked up in your videos...

I miss Quake III Arena. I have played for a long time.

I had the 9600 series with active cooler. Seems ages ago.

i would love to have that aopen case

Hey, I got a rq question, when you find a .exe from 1980 and witha weird name is it a virus?

I have a similar senpron 1.25 ghz pc laying there and never thought of making a powerful 98 gaming pc, I had it with windows XP I think. But maybe I try. I was thinking of something like this with some amd k6-2 or a pentium 3. But since those cheap agp pc struggle lot, windows 98 maybe could be good. Even for emulation too, nes snes gba and ps1 it's plausible

Cool.

I didnt know for the riva tuner bit. Will definetly use it on my Geforce FX 5700 to get the real fps now that it turn out that i was deceived with wrong stats it seem. ^^;

Did you leave time demo turned on when playing Unreal Tournament? It looked like it was running really fast.

@RetroSpector78

2 жыл бұрын

Never ran a timedemo on this machine (I think). But will check.

To think my DOS box was overkill but this takes the cake.

@lelandclayton5462

2 жыл бұрын

@ᶠᵘᶜ-ᵏ ᵐᵉ cнёcк ʍʏ ρяσfιℓ Last couple of Pentium 4 systems I got I recapped the Motherboards. This was years ago around 2010.

HT is more likely to be hypertransport than hyperthreading on an AMD machine.

@SeeJayPlayGames

2 жыл бұрын

correct, there was no hyperthreading. That was an intel thing. They did come out with dual cores on S939, though... up to Athlon 64 X2 6400+ (3.2GHz actual clock dual-core). Faster than a Core 2 Duo E6600.

@chris-tal

2 жыл бұрын

I had only three AMD systems in my life. The first was an X5-133. Flied like an eagle! I actually owned a Dell workstation with an X2, but never figured out why it kept stuttering music running in the background while I did simple tasks in the foreground: managing files, opening an app like excel. I've experimented with a SlotA Athlon before. On that processor, you'd have to recompile the kernel to have correct media playback with 3Dnow (on linux). There had to be some tweaks made here and there on these older AMD systems, but who knows maybe it was mostly the 3rd party chipsets fault. Similarly spec'd C2D's like an E8400 or Q6600 worked just fine. No stutters. But you know when you combined an intel cpu with a sis chipset it wasn't as good as using their own. There are always ups and downs between AMD and Intel. They had to do something good after like Duron, etc. It's a healthy competition. As long as they are competing we get better tech out of it.

What's the monitor? Model, specs and brand and it's lcd right?

My first pc was a pentium 2 350 with 64mb of ram and 6.4GB hard drive. I forgot what video card it came with(maybe integrated), but I remember my first job was delivering jumpers with my dad so I could upgrade the card to a voodoo3 3000. The difference was night and day when playing quake/TF. Good times.

@RetroSpector78

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that must have been a big difference compared to any video card you might have had :)

@kermit1

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroSpector78 I remember now it was an s3 Virge/dx

@russellmulcahy4452

2 жыл бұрын

@@RetroSpector78 I love these projects. I'm setting up a EPIA-V Mini itx with win98. Drivers are elusive..😀

@EvilTurkeySlices

2 жыл бұрын

Just built a PC with a Pentium II 350mhz. Also I have a Virge/DX in my Socket 7 DOS machine.

I never seen someone downgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 98. But, I ever downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 95 on the virtual machine back in 2015.

What language is this Windows? I don't recognized anything written on the screen. I hear the guy talking with an accent... But from where these videos are coming from? I'm a Québécois and I only speak french/english/italian.

I found a motherboard and AMD 64 Atholon CPU but nothing else. I think I would go with WIndows me.

mooi man!

Since you have 512MB of RAM, a dual boot of 98/2K or 98/XP would’ve been interesting to compare performance.

@RetroSpector78

2 жыл бұрын

Might end up doing that indeed.

@tipstricksss1453

2 жыл бұрын

Many computers back in the day had nowhere near as much Ram as 512 MB even on top gaming PCs. I find its better to run a maximum of 256 MB Ram for Windows 98 SE.

@darunealbane

2 жыл бұрын

A point xp maxes ram at 4g so a 512 98/xp meh Have a 512 dos/98 and am working on a 4g 2000/xp

I try to keep XP in tact as a rule because MS has made it almost impossible to activate it. It helps if I have a OEM install disk or image.

Windows 98 was the most customizable Windows. If only it were more stable..

there is a reason why we called them boat anchors and still do :) LOL

Athlon 64 300+ writen in description :3

I'm rocking the exact same Antec case for my i7 server lol

@TheotanyaSama

2 жыл бұрын

I have a similar Antec Case (but with the door and in grey) and I also use for the family NAS server at my home.

@mashedpotatoes5323

2 жыл бұрын

I have two similar cases like this. They are built really good and don't flex at all.

@cyberjack

2 жыл бұрын

@@mashedpotatoes5323 they definitely solid

🦈sweet

I have noticed in recent years that these Pentium 4 machines are now demanding retro prices by greedy sellers just because they can run Windows 98 but they are not worth the money people want for them considering you can find a real retro PII PIII for around the same price or in some cases cheaper. They used to be dirt cheap or even free but now people have caught on they can be used for retro gaming they are no longer cheap.

Some of those early Venice S939 Athlon 64's are OC monsters. Paired up with a good mobo they can go faaaar beyond their specs.

@tomyyoung2624

2 жыл бұрын

Pls wont ban This decal :c

"[...]Pentium 4[...]" Uh-oh. Anyone got any bacon and eggs to fry? XD

Used Rivatuner back in the day on every system I owned, once used it even to soft-mod my Evga Geforce 7800GT to a Underclocked 7900, unlocking the extra 4 disabled pipelines (20 @ 500Mhz Vs. 24 @ 550MHz).

@mydogsgfhasmoretestosteron7140

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit. All G7x chips were laser cut after binning, you couldn't unlock them.

@jwoody8815

2 жыл бұрын

@@mydogsgfhasmoretestosteron7140 whatever you think man, I was there.