You've mentioned many times to use a rust eraser as a cheap option to remove load up. I just wanted to add, if you're really cheap, you can use an eraser. For real, a 50 cent eraser cleans stones really well. I use it on my 1000/6000 combination stone.

I have found that on some of the softer stones that a rust eraser leaves a kind of rough feeling to the stone. specifically a naniwa green brick and an king 6000 s1 stone. I can fix this by then running a nagura along the stone a bit before starting but It seems to leave a rough finish on the stone otherwise.

Thank you for the video, this was really helpful. You make something intimidating feel so simple.

I would love to see you do a review on a sigma power select ii stones. Thanks for all the great info.

Dunno man, I just got a kit with those cheap 4 different stones mentioned, and for my very first sharpening, I did pretty well. Knife ended up being very sharp. I did all my research on KZread in the right channels, and I was very pleased with the end result of that first attempt. I can tell you it all comes down to technique rather than the stone itself. So at least for me, those cheap stones are all I need right now while I get better at it

@internetrules8522

Жыл бұрын

did you buy one of the 400/1000 3000/8000 ones from amazon?

@catchofthedave8681

6 ай бұрын

try to sharpen a benchmade or spyderco....something in s110v, or s90v, or k390, or m4, cru-wear, rex 45, etc., or a japanese kitchen knife made of zdp-189 or m390 or something like that...then get back to me.

Reddit could be a great place depending on how you go about it or what you want out of it. If you want to have discussions where you can actually reply to people and follow a conversation of comments it's probably the best place to do it. It's also a great place to post links to each video or just putting up a discussion topic. If you have a trusted fan or someone who is willing to be a moderator I would definitely recommend it because it's a great way to share information.

Did you check out the Naniwa Lobster series? It's a new soaking stone from Naniwa. Would love to see you test / review a Takeda NAS knife. Especially the Banno Bunka. Also thank you for all the informative videos. I am sure that they helped me to be a better sharpener.

With your rolled buffalo strops, do you need to load it with compound?? I have a small leather strop that came with a small block of green compound. Looking into getting a higher quality leather strop for my knives. thank you for your channel! Ive improved on my sharpening technique just watching your videos alone. Jeep up the great content! Sending love from Hawaii!

Hi from great Britain today I went out and purchased a cheapo 2 side wet stone medium grade and fine honing the grit is not printed and yup it's an oil stone so I got son 3 in 1 oil and have been practicing trying to sharpen 2 small peeling knifes some minor success not sure I'm applying enough pressure or too little etc it's a learning experience I placed my cheap stone on an old tea towel but still had some movement regarding wet stone

Ryky, have you ever used the Masahiro stones? I was watching a master sharpener and these were the stones he was using. He also said that they are stones that can be permasoaked.

Hey Ryky! Which stone would you recommend to maintain my EDC pocket knives? I use a sharpening system and I want to move to japanese stones. My blades are made with 8cr13Mov, VG-10, S35VN and CPM S30V and I want to reach a nice mirror finish. Thanks😉

Awesome video! You talk about buying stones in certain seasons.. can you give some insight on this please? And also can you point in the right direction if a legit seller on ebay. Keto doing what your doing! Greg

Did you feel any difference from the Japanese market choseras to the USA market ones? Besides thickness of course. Thanks, great videos as always

Hi Ryky, I'm fairly new to the sharpening business in overall, but having this "skills" (I suppose) to learn "how to" on my bucket list for long time as my grandfather was the old school master (in my mind anyway, nothing like professionals or anything like these days you can see on these videos here...) but having said that everything what supposed to be sharp in His house was pretty damm sharp let me tell you that... ;) so He must be doing it right, right...!?! But of course when I was growing up I was watching him all the time on every single step he made and that is in majority today who I become as a person because of Him and His ways... SO what I'm trying to say here is that "That your videos, your vision and your determination are in perfect lengths and excellent contents" for guys/girls like me and the thousands of others...! And you're 100% right when you say that things like these needs to be explained step by step instead like some other heavily edited videos...!!! Please do what you doing and as they say - if ain't broken - no need to be fixed. I'm 37 years old and I learn every single day goes by thankfully to people like you on social networks like KZread and others and I'm so Grateful for that... Thank you Ryky and God bless you, shout out from Ireland 🇮🇪 by Czech 🇨🇿 fella ;)

@mfreeman313

Жыл бұрын

I have stones handed down from my shoemaker great-grandfather and my grandfather, who used them for his straight razors. I never knew the one and my grandfather, who was a great guy, died when I was 10, so I never actually learned anything about sharpening from him, but just having those stones and doing my own sharpening brings them and their worlds a little closer. It's nice to do things yourself. I can't fix my iPhone. But I can damn well sharpen my knives. I can almost feel them smiling down on me when I take care of that myself. And Ryky helped me learn. We gain from modern tech. But one of the things we can gain is old-world skills like sharpening. Funny, how the circle is unbroken that way. : )

hey burrfection! first off, I LOVE your channel :D I pretty much subbed after watching 2 of your videos, so keep up the good work! :) So, I got a karambit and want so sharpen it, how do I do it? Thanks :)

Hey Ryky! I recently got a a knife from a friend for sharpening, it is a Yoshiro Hamono bunka black made from ZDP-189 steel. I understand it can get up to 67 HRC, but I don't see too many knives made of it, actually it is quite rare. Can you explain a little bit about powder steels? SG-2, ZDP-189, why aren't they as common as, for example, VG-10 we now see everywhere? Also, what is your opinion about liquid nitrogen cooling in knife manufacturing? Is it just another gimmick?

Great video. Was going to pick up a whetstone today.

I cant remember which video I watched years ago on this channel but I remember this channel is where I decided that a cheap low grit stone matched with a high grit shapton glass was the biggest bang for your buck 😅

Question: What stone do you recommend to sharpen and polish a 66HRC knife (Miyabi 5000MCD 67)? Would the Chosera 800 and 3000 work here? I'd love for the stone to be splash and go.

Captian Noica brought up a good point. There comes a time when high numbers of grit level on a stone give a diminishing return and a time when it actually makes an edge so high it has no "tooth". I also liked your opinion on getting a better quality item. It's absolutely true there is a used market for a quality item, and little to none for a "cheap" item. (And remember that inexpensive does NOT mean "cheap, there are pleny of high quality inexpensive items). In addition to being able to sell a used naniwa for close to what you paid, you can also sell a high quality used knife for what you paid. But a cheap knife you may as well just give to goodwill rather than think you can get any more than 2 pennies on a dollar to. Think of a corvette or a mustang. When kept in great condition, there is collectable value to fine knives. The hand made knives of Kramer (not the HenckelsKramers) go up in value every year. I have sold used carter knives for MORE than what I paid for them. I believe that some of the knives of "Master of Traditional Arts" or American Bladesmith Society Masters and Journeymen will appreciate in value or at the very least hold their value. Thanks for addressing these two issues, ryky!

Great Video- Great Questions and responses! Should be a ‘Sticky’ titled “Must Watch FAQ”

@Burrfection

5 жыл бұрын

thanks for the input.

@AndrewJDN

5 жыл бұрын

Most Welcome. Love your work.

Love the Cerax 1k! It is so nice to use. And yes you are correct one good stone is better than buying a cheaper double stone. I made that mistake. With my stones for my razors. I already had the cerax 1&5k and loved them but needed higher grit for shaving and in Aus we get bent over on pricing on stones so went the double sided option(still cost me $150 and that’s the cheap option down here) and got a 3k 8k stone. It wasn’t as good as the 1 & 5cerax stones. Cheaper stones seem to lie about there grits. So it feels like my 8k is actually rougher than the 5k. So $150 on a boker stone down the drain really. It’s also heaps smaller than the cerax stones.

Hello, I'm brand new at this and need product advice for home-use kitchen knives. Chosera 800 or Cerax 1000???? Or a combo of various grits? Thanks much .

Thank You, Seems very good advice.

Video idea - can you please do a sharpening demonstration on pocket knifes? They usually have a narrower bevel and more likely is a curve edge than a straight edge. I'd love to see you sharpening one. Thanks!

@pete-qz4fj

6 жыл бұрын

Great idea i recommend Buck 110 iconic knife you can Barrow mine

@Mogman150

4 жыл бұрын

How about pocket knives with some of the new exotic steels?

Question - Could you explain how you would go about sharpening a serrated blade. Thanks. Love your videos.

@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929

6 жыл бұрын

For a serrated blade you need to either use the corner of a stone, or something like sand paper wraped around a wooden dowel or stuff like the spyderco sharpmaker rods which are narrow enough to get into the valleys of the serrations.

what is the different of the electric machine sharpener vs the whetstone ?

Good video as always mate ☺️

Could you make a video explaining what knives and sharpening stones people in Europe should buy or more specifically where to buy theme? Because 90% of the products you recommend sadly don't ship to most countries in Europe ( except the UK, they are a bit more lucky concerning that problem)

@jrclad2964

6 жыл бұрын

Hallo Herbert, from Spain. I have 12+ stones mostly Naniwa Chosera line various grits (800; 1000; 3000; 8000) straight from Japan. It is a tiny bit risky, it takes its time, about 25 days more or less, mostly no customs crap and it is worth its price in gold. Search ebay, compare prices and look for great positive feedback and you will get your stones. Amazon deutschland has some things, not cheap but most of the time works great. Bye.

If you had a 3000 grit stone for 30 dollars, or there abouts. What stone would you buy?

Can you link the recommendations you mentioned for the king, cirex, etc??

I feel like it's worth repeating that for kitchen knives you're on the wrong track if you aim to go much higher than 3000 grit. You don't want your general purpose kitchen knife to be too sharp or it ironically won't cut some stuff. For straight razor sure you can and want to go above 8000, maybe even up to 30 000 which sounds pretty crazy. And it's also worth to consider ridiculously fine stropping pastes/compounds, majority of people don't have the level of cleanness and fine surface to take advantage of them. Or maybe they do but don't put that much effort into it. It's like measuring microscopic tolerances, even your hand warmth changes the part's measure, a smudgy fingerprint will change the measure as well. A lot of people seem to confuse sharpness and grit ratings and purpose they use things for.

what about diamond "stones" which are really just metal plates with a diamond or diamond like abrasive adhered to the surface? (vs a traditional sharpening stone)

Happy Easter

What do you think about Yeopasda wet stones? Reviews say they are great. I was curious if your review is the same?

Is the brand Kerye a decent brand to get whetstone kits from?

Could you talk a little bit about the naniwa combination stones (the 1000/3000 for example)? They are the only ones that I can find and afford in my country (it's very difficult to find whetstones here); other whetstones I can find are too expensive for my third world country salary. Thank you!!!

@dogewow8999

2 жыл бұрын

I can relate to your story. I recently bought that naniwa stone you are talking about, It still costs more than all my knives at home combined, but I managed to get the good ones up to shaving sharpness. I also use the Ikea Finnish sharpener to start on really dull knives.

Thanks. I haven't checked, but I've been told you can buy Japanese stones at half the price on Japanese ebay.

@Ternaz88

6 жыл бұрын

Yes it is true you can get too quality stones at a cheaper price when buying directly from Japan. I’m unsure how Japanese Ebay would work if you are from the States but when looking on regular US ebay you will see the cheapest stones always ship from Japan. The shipping cost however is usually up to 20$ so maybe it can work out cheaper in the end but most certainly will be cheaper than buying from a lot of USA suppliers who charge a premium for the same stones. Good luck.

I've heard using a regular pencil eraser also helps with removing load up. Have you ever tried it?

@DDoms99

4 жыл бұрын

The great way of removing load up is by using WD40 and a rough part of sponge or a metal brush. I'm a beginner but I found this tip somewhere and it really works!

@jerichojoe307

Жыл бұрын

@@DDoms99 that might be viable for an oil stone. But you don't want to put WD-40 on a water stone. The WD in WD-40 stands for water dispersant. You put that on a water stone you'll never be able to use that stone with water again.

Question: I have a Ken Onion Shun Chefs knife. Any tips on the care of the wood handle?

@JimmysTheBestCop

6 жыл бұрын

if its untreated wood buy some cutting board butter aka mineral oil mixed with beeswax its at the big box stores

Was looking at the King 1000 stone but then saw the King KDS 1000/6000 stone, which would you recommend? Or does anyone have a suggestion? Also looking at the Cerax 1000

@BT-mm7zr

6 жыл бұрын

Arthur P. I’d say spend a bit more and get the King combo if you have better quality knives.

Cool, I wish good whetstones weren't so expensive (I can only buy one for now and it's about basic but thankfully it's Naniwa which I found by accident). There are a lot of abrasives in our house, is there a way our tableware and house building (bricks, concrete, garden stones, pots, etc without using sandpaper coz' one might go through a lot of those for just one sharpen which would be expensive.) already has all the grits we need for repairing, shaping, sharpening, honing, & polishing any blade including scissor? Maybe there should be a series to find the grits in everyday household object, including the house itself (even the roof, maybe there are some 9000 grit up there so there no need for leather _ compound stropping? :-) The Flintstone/Caveman professional mult-grit sharpening in short. God bless.

@Burrfection

10 ай бұрын

interesting concept. will explore it

Hey Ryky, given what you said about ultra high grit stones, have you ever seen the video by 圧倒的不審者の極み! (aka. kiwami japan) where he sharpens a $1 budget deba using several stones up until 30k grit? It took like 8 hours iirc, but ended up so sharp that blowing a piece of tissue into the blade actually cuts it straight through. What's your take?

@Boyetto-san

6 жыл бұрын

I wasn't implying that good knife quality isn't necessary. I'm just asking for Ryky's opinion in light of what he said about the lack of benefit of a 30k grit stone on anything but very specialized high-grade single beveled knives. Edge retention is one thing, but at the very least the 30k seemed to have an effect on a cheap knife regardless, with the video showing the gradual improvement in sharpness between grits.

@IntoxicatedVortex

6 жыл бұрын

It really comes down to the experience you want get from your cutlery. Last thing I would every want is to spend 8 hours, or even 1 hour, to get a edge that's going to be damaged the moment it comes into contact with the first fish bone it comes across with let alone a cutting board. Tissues aren't typically part of my cooking ingredients list. End of the day the question you really need to ask is whether your cutlery will do its job any better when polished on these super-high grit polishing stones and the answer is typically no. Personally I stop at 5000 as its my progressive step from 2000. Wanting to incorporate 8000-10000 for instance would involve an extra stone in the process as I wouldn't go directly from 2000 to 8000. One more thing to do for no gain. My cutlery is used for long list of things… for looking at isn't on that list.

@Boyetto-san

6 жыл бұрын

Infinite Vortex It definitely isn't practical, and having to add several stones to your sharpening process can be a real pain. The tissue was just the most extreme example used in the video, mind you. Not that that makes the process in any way more necessary for the typical cook to do, but it's worth a look for anyone looking to understand what happens when sharpening any knife through different grits.

@JimmysTheBestCop

6 жыл бұрын

With diamond sprays, cbn sprays, Boron Carbide emulsions on different strop material 30k grit is nothing. So you don't necessarily need an expensive 30k grit stone. You can switch to different compounds and just strop as high as you want. The reason why most home cooks don't go above 5k-8k is the metal cant take a higher edge that long. Sure some super steels can. But add a cutting board into it and it will lose the high edge quickly. So its all about diminishing returns. Now german steel sometimes people don't go above 1-2k. Liek those box store knives. That steel is so soft. Plus one you get a good edge you can maintain a long time just by stropping. You shouldn't need to take your knives to the stones every month if your a normal home cook. Maybe just a 5 micron and a .5 micron loaded strops is all it will take to maintain.

Question: New to Sharpening and your channel. Good stuff here. What's your verdict on the Suehiro NEW CERAX CR-3800 double-sided grinding stone yellow # 3000 / blue # 1000 (WA) SUEHIRO Serakkusu? Good value?

@travishernandez2193

5 жыл бұрын

David Todd I’m in the same boat. Did you get this stone combo after all? They also have a 1000/6000 as well. What would you recommend.

What is a way I can remove scratches from my knife after sharpening?

@deathbyastonishment7930

6 жыл бұрын

Richard G. Are the scratches on the edge? Or on the flat of the blade? The only way to remove scratches is to polish the blade.

@richardg.1398

6 жыл бұрын

they are slightly above the bevel of the blade, due to potentially poor angle control

In my limited understanding a higher polish on your knife can increase the longevity of the edge, At least it seems to with woodworking tools.

@IntoxicatedVortex

6 жыл бұрын

Woodworking tools deal with harder materials, far greater pressures and impacts that kitchen cutlery does not (other than maybe a cleaver on bone) and as such the higher polish should assist with that. The higher polish is for naught in the kitchen outside of looking prettier. Each to their own (its your stones and ergo time and money to achieve it) but there's no advantage to going higher than really 6000 outside of what Ryky outlined in his video and/or it being simply a fun thing to do.

Another user brought up the same idea, I have watched a few different videos on sharpening a serrated blade and haven't seen one that looks like it would be correct. I have a global bread knife that I absolutely love and use for more than just cutting bread... But the teeth are not what they used to be and the dulling is showing after years of not being sharpened. I'd really love to keep it sharp like the rest of my knives and razors. I'm ust not comfortable with sharpening it prior to having the right tools / know how.

i just want to set te record straight. do you suggest buying a really good 1K whetstone, without a polishing stone, instead of like the king kds combo? I'm just asking, the more I watch your videos, the more i'm confused. In my opinion, i should buy a good 1k, and then, when im good, buy a polishing stone that completes my combo. right? (you viewers can reply to me too please)

@Burrfection

5 жыл бұрын

either is FINE. the reason i like single grit stones is because they offer more stone (physically) than combo stones. also, you are better offer getting one high quality stone, than 2 OK quality grits on single stone. so it's just a matter of personal choice and what you can afford. i would get one good sharpening stone NOW, then invest in a good polishing stone later.

@optimisticpessimist.

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of buying a cheap combo stone just to use to practice on and get my technique down.

Are you saying that the naniwa rust eraser is also good for cleaning stones?

@frederikkjaer4170

6 жыл бұрын

Winning ThePooh I know that he uses sabitoru rust erasers, but in Europe that's a month shipping travel, I can't wait a month to clean my new stone. The only things you get in Europe is lansky erasers, and the naniwa erasers. Thanks for replying though.

I just use sand paper to clean stones. Works perfectly.

Yup, I've seen Sato, Hoyoma supposedly Made in Japan and a brand supposedly from Brazil with the box having a native american/indian logo and it says on the left, Carborundun Abrisivo. Has anyone try these brands? God bless.

@Burrfection

10 ай бұрын

i have not, but lots of small brands are popping up with rebranding of Japanese made stones. nothing wrong with that. it only makes it confusing for buyers, so i stick with well-known makers/brands

@georgeskormikiaris7950

8 ай бұрын

That Brazilian brand is actually French, Carborundum is part of the Saint Gobain company. They have a series of wetstones going from 120 up to 8000. I would place them as mid range, not bad as cheap Chinese stones but not good as well known Japanese stones from brands like Naniwa or Shapton. They are good value if you can get them way cheaper than Japanese stones but not for similar prices.

Shapton glass absolutely must must be groomed between every use. Anyone one who has ever seriously used glass stones will tell you that its like night and day when using the shapton lapping plate between uses. Though this is not the case with every other stone out their and is a unique to the shapton glass lineup. The lapping plate is $400 so its something to consider before buying glass stones witch kind locks you into buying glass stones only as a system because you have to layout the $400 before even buying your first stone. So if money is a consideration stay clear of the shapton glass lineup. If you can afford the up to $1000 layout for a set they are hard to beat. Though some steels prefer different stone and some stones prefer different steels, but thats a hole nother rabbit hole.

I guess is proportional with the value of the knives. If you use less than 50 USD for a knife, why should you pay a lot more for a dedicated stone.

@IntoxicatedVortex

6 жыл бұрын

Sure. One must keep things in proportion to what it is they're sharpening. That said, an alternative perspective is that one or two wise choices in stone(s) can result in those stones being lifetime purchases. For instance, cheaper sub-$50 knives won't ever wear out a Naniwa Professional or Shapton Glass (as examples) however, what's to say that you'll only ever have sub-$50 knives. So if/when the day comes when you buy yourself a $60-100 knife you're not having to change anything on the maintenance side of things. It only takes a single knife to upset the balance of your maintenance products.

If you had one combo whetstone to rule them all. A king 250/1000 or a 400/1000????

@XAVargasX0206

3 жыл бұрын

Neither 1000/6000 is best

I bought cheap stones. Im looking to practice and dont want tk worry about ruining them.

I don't like how complicated whetstones are. I got one for Christmas. I don't really want to bother with it though.

I use a budget Naniwa combo stone, and I get my knives sharp enough to shave.

One video per day...

The reddit chef knife community might be too small to keep up with. But the straight razor crowd might be large enough. /r/wickededge.

I'll eventually buy that knife and buy more than 12,000 grit for ultra thin raw seafood slices :-)

@Burrfection

10 ай бұрын

the 12k is nice. not needed unless all you do it high-end seafood, and have the skills to sharpen at that level

@SevenDeMagnus

10 ай бұрын

@@Burrfection So true, like instrument playing we must become one with blade & the whetstone and its rhythm. I'd like to suggest a collab with photorealism movement artists like Diego Fazio, ddanos and other photorealists (art that's indistinguishable from a photograph), test if their very sensitive to value will translate with the subtleness of the sharpness of a blade above12,000 grit (30,000 to 60,000 or more?) & then compare with a big microscope (check the KZreadrs: 'microbehunter' & 'Micro Safari' who have big microscopes that have the magnification & fidelity- they say magnification is not a be all end all specification of seeing small things in detail. Perhaps invest in their microscope even if it's used :-) it'll be a great tool for the future for the 21st century- could be heirloom like nice knives (or watch or fountain pen). Compare with immense magnification (way better than the USB microscopes which magnifies but is blurry when magnified) the edges at 60,000 grit between a master sharpener like yourself (and perhaps two more master sharpeners like 'Kawani Japan' and chef Davis Wells who's celebrity/Hollywood chefs' master sharpener and photorealism artists (Chuck Close is the founder). Thank you I hope you also find the suggestion very interesting. God bless you.

If you entitle the video with a question, please at least add bookmarks to break up questions. You also didn't add the links as you mentioned. These are reportable issues that are wasting (my) time. Thanks for your attention.

#3:44 not entirely sure, but it sounds like hes describing those Chinese knockoff stone sets off amazon. They are generally the same set sold under like 20 different rebrand names, like Kerye (pretending to be a product of japan), ENTAI, Keenbest, Shinetol, knifeplanet and so on as opposed to taidea . They are 100% a scam, the blocks are just cheap colored clay from what i can tell they all have the same grit despite labeling.

Hi Ryky, Hop on reddit, it’s worth it. Maybe ask some followers to help moderate your subreddit (I wouldn’t mind helping you out, if needed let me know. Reddithandle is tendingorb82). Thanks for de videos!

One word : brick.

Those cheap stones are junk......they create an un-useable amount of slurry and load up depending on the stone, sometimes they are so soft, they seem to just dissolve as you use them. ANOTHER THING--- The cheap amazon stones will probably or possibly sharpen normal, high carbon steels well, and high carbon stainless steel well.......Like the stuff used in MOST kitchen knives. However, they will not hardly sharpen any super steels or powder metal steels at all, and if they do, you will literally be sharpening so long to see any effect at all, your arms and hands will cramp up and half the stone will wear away. So if you have nice pocket knives and camp/survival or tactical knives.....anything made by benchmade, spyderco, crk, ZT, etc......they won't sharpen, you need better stones OR diamond stones. Also if you are trying to sharpen any high end kitchen knives or some of the Japanese super kitchen knives using Super Blue, or zdp-189, or m390, or any of that stuff......a cheap stone wont do jack.