Fascinating to see the latest amp and pedal emulators. I had and extensively used the original Line 6 Pod and for many years a Pod X3 Live which in particular is still a fantastic bit of kit with great sounds. I've recently moved back to lots of pedals (mostly modern ones and a couple of my old vintage ones) and a flexible 20w Blackstar amp. I'm much, much happier with the tactile nature of actual pedals and knobs. Being able to tweak everything without the need for any menu's at all and no need to download the latest updates is such a benefit live, when practicing and recording.

Hey, sorry for budging in like this, but it could be a good idea to try and compare them using the same cab IR. I've generally found that cheaper modellers tend to sound way better when using a good quality IR vs the stock cabs. As a plus it would take that element out of the equation when comparing amps and effects. Cheers!

@aydan1686

Жыл бұрын

This x100

@lucaribichini7749

Жыл бұрын

i completely agree, i have the Valeton GP-200 and i only find 1 CAB to be decent, the rest is quite "cheap" sounding, with third party IR's u can achieve a great sound comparable to much expensive units

@Jasonguitar73

Жыл бұрын

Quality IR's make a huge difference. I have a NUX amp acadamy and it sounded awesome after adding some ownhammer IR's.

@steveeckert8396

Жыл бұрын

The magic is in the IR's. I can't justify a Quad Cortex. But I do own several Neural Plugins and they are incredible. You could be doing Neural a disservice by using IR's from others.

@Crunchifyable2

Жыл бұрын

This would be a smart comparison. And a fair one too because you are eliminating one variable. Sort of like comparing to different amp heads into the same cabinet.

This was very interesting, thank you. I own the QC and am very happy with it, although I use "real" when gigging, and I just use the QC in my home studio so far, but it sounds great and has a very real feel. As you said there wasn't always a LOT of difference between the 2 units, but there was consistently a difference in the QC's favor, and you have to leave that value equation to the buyer. A number of comments here about the IR's, which are valid, but the QC has plenty of very good-sounding IR's in the box. I don't normally watch your videos as they tend to be long, which is entertaining for some, but this was more "efficient" with less chat, which I liked!

Honestly, I could never justify spending multiple times more money on the Neural unit. The Valeton unit sounds incredible for the price, I can only imagine that with some time dialing in settings (plus experimenting with other IRs) that it would sound even better!

@JiTiAr35

8 ай бұрын

the best £300 multi effect pedal so far.

i just bought Valeton GP 200 after watching loads of vdos from you guys ... and am loving it

I doubt that most of us would have an opportunity to make a comparison like this, and it's interesting to see just what the difference is between budget and pro-level. Way less than what I'd been been led to believe from online comments - I thought the Valeton stood up pretty well there. More of this kind of thing please Andertons!

Man, every TIME the Digital John makes me giggle. Always happy to see DIGITAL JOHN back on the program.

I think the quality of the cheaper multi units is really improving. HX stomp user here but would have been very happy with something like the hotone devices that have come out. It would have been good to see what they both sounded like with the same IR too. That’s largely when you can start to hear differences or similarities with the devices as they play such a huge part in the sound

"DIGITAL J O H N" is still one of the best running gags of this channel. Amazing video. I ordered a GP200LT recently after doing a ton of research (a lot of which was through this channel, so thanks a bunch for that) and am super excited for its arrival.

@antispectrum000

2 ай бұрын

What did you think of it after getting some time with it?

Love to see a reserection of 'sounds like' with Digital John, doing both with and without busting.... Also using plugins etc like Guitar rig or Amplitube etc...... This is the future for many of us home guitarists, there's 1000s trying to do covers in DAWs who will never gig, big big market.

@marksvideochannel3592

Жыл бұрын

100%, Great idea.

@wesleyzimmerman94

Жыл бұрын

They've been doing "Sound Like" again for a while now. The people they got are weird people but they work very well together. It's also better now seeing as one of them is an actual bass player and not just a guitarist grabbing a very basic P-bass and Fender Rumble (even though it's a good combo)

@danielbeebee

Жыл бұрын

This! Yes!!

Great Video guys. That Valeton is possibly the best bang for buck product of 2022.

It just goes to show how far digital tech has come. Only the player using these units would be able to tell the difference between the real thing and the digital simulations. In a recording mixed with other instruments, it would be very difficult to distinguish between the simulated settings and the real things that they're trying to simulate. I have to give credit again to the next level sound quality of Anderton's KZread videos. The best in the business! 👍 Cheers guys.

I bought a Valeton GP200 as I needed a cheap backup for gigs where space and risk from drunk punters etc meant I didn't want to use my main pedal board. I just run it without any amp / cabs in the chain into a clean running Victory V50. I just have compression, OD, Chorus, EQ, Delay, Reverb in the chain. I find this is how it sounds best with an amp. Direct into a desk is a different matter. That's when Amp and Cabs come in handy. The line level mode changes the eq dramatically. EQ module is very usefull and could compensate for most of the difference in tone and "fulness" in the the two units shown the demo.

I use Celestion IR's and I also added a BBE Maximizer stomp in the loop right after the amp/Speakers in my Valeton GP-200 and it really brings the amp to life and removes that boxy/blanket sound making it more alive. Yes it is a little of an extra expense but not nearly as much as a more expensive unit.

@VelhosNovos

Жыл бұрын

Great! Maybe a CABM+ to improve the sound. I do that with my HX Stomp.

@GregoryLegarand

Жыл бұрын

Does it also work well when you turn the IR/CAB off and play through a power amp + guitar cab ?

@alexmachado3176

Жыл бұрын

I found that I have better luck with FRFR cabs with this unit, and amp and speakers are going to color the sound. It all comes down to do you like what you hear.

nice test, im still happy with the QC i bought from Anderton's almost a year ago now... An interesting test would be to set up a real set up amp, cab, pedal... whatever, recreate it in the QC and the cheap unit and see what is the difference in the digital recreations? I also like to tell myself cheaper units are only getting better because of technical advancements of more expensive units.

The Helix just came out with a massive update that revamped the IRS and cab sims. It would be cool to see a shootout with the QC again.

Pete's laugh at the background sold the video for me!

Talking to a friend about searching for Guitar tone and is it over now because of this new equipment gets you there quickly , I really don't know about that maybe it does maybe it don't, but it is still as rewarding as ever to search for a good tone as it is playing with a great tone, great time to be searching .....

Why I love my QC: I can play 2 guitars, 1 bass and a vocalist in 4 parallel chains. And it sounds amazing. It might cost 4x but you get 4x - maybe you don't need it - but something to bear in mind.

I don’t know why, but the “digital John” edit gets me every single time without fail

I really love the QC and wish I had the cash laying around to pick one up. I’ve got an HX stomp and its by far my most used piece of gear since I picked it up. Seems like the Quad Cortex is really just the next MASSIVE step forward.

@benlemcke2863

Жыл бұрын

It has some extra features compared to the stomp, however, the stomp uses the exact same chip as the big Helix floor unit. They sound the same. Andertons did a blind test of the big units already and could not hear a real difference. There's no reason to upgrade if you don't use the capture thing. Even more so with update 3.50 (which, like all updates for the Helix systems, is free). What you also have for an advantage is: you can connect your Stomp to a computer and edit your patches easily via HX Edit, something Neural DSP does not offer. Don't get me wrong, the QC is great, but your Stomp is already a high end professional device that's on the same level as the QC. :-)

@justsomemincedgarlic

Жыл бұрын

@@benlemcke2863 well damn, thank you for the insight. I’ve played guitar for 18 years and always been a basic pedal board, tube amp guy, so I’m pretty new to the digital revolution thats been happening under my nose here. I’ve had a blast with the hx stomp and I think realistically its already waaaay more than I actually need. I didn’t realize the stomp was so similar to the full helix floor unit though. You might have just saved me a little money, for now at least haha

As an old fart who grew up on ProCo Rats and Big Muffs, these are both just amazing pieces of gear. What a time to be a guitarist.

@SirCrashaLot

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, took a dip only this year and ended up selling most analog stuff.

@hollywoodactress

Жыл бұрын

Agree and I had a frontline distortion pedal too. Sucked tone badly 😃

@sboy1955

Жыл бұрын

@@tc5610- King of what?

@eyezik5743

Жыл бұрын

@TC BS. High-end digital like Neural's Quad Cortex or the Line 6 imitate analog flawlessly-- especially effects pedals. You're speaking from a biased place of nostalgia and I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Line 6's Rat digital clone and the real thing in a blind test.

@sgbh8874

Жыл бұрын

Wow O.F, what a diet.🤔

I got the Valeton, i really like it. It was a huge upgrade from my old Line 6 XL live pedal, and much smaller too.

@m00plank90

Жыл бұрын

Same, mine came yesterday from Andertons. Have to faff about a bit, but loaded my own IR’s and spent a few hours tweaking stuff, and it’s insane how good this thing is.

@PapaBaush

Жыл бұрын

What do you guys think now after a while running the thing? Thanks

Great demo and both sound solid! Especially the 80s chorus…you guys should have continued and written a sappy power ballad with both units! Back in the day, I had the Digitech RP10 and actually used that live and recorded a few small studio projects with it. Alright, I’m headed over to watch your Digital John choosing a digital rig video now!

Got a gp200 from andertons and it’s just amazing. Well worth spending time tweaking. Eq is pokey to sculpt your sound.

Beside the Tone the most amazing thing with the QC is the workflow. I was a fractal/Kemper user for the past few years and the UI is the game changer.

Personally, I would love a QC on my board… smaller, lighter, and more powerful than my Helix. I tried one, but the lack of desktop editor was a real pain. I know it seems no more than a convenience feature, but Helix and Axe have them, and they’re such a big part of how I set up my sound.

I use the Valeton at home for practice through headphones. It does an amazing job in this scenario. Agree with others that custom IR's and peddle order are the key to getting the most out of it.

@mruncletheredge

Жыл бұрын

Clearly the Neural sounded better, but I wonder if you just tweaked the Valeton's knobs, could you make it sound a little closer to the Neural... I think the Valeton is perfect for headphone practicing especially knowing that it's 5 times cheaper.

@jwalkrr

Жыл бұрын

Thats why i want to pick up the valeton, just to have on the bedside table to practice late at night with headphones, or when i just feel like plugging and playing on the computer instead of micing up and dialing in my supersonic

Any chance of doing again but using the same custom IR on each? Now that would be interesting!

subbed 'cause you guys help a ton + trying to win that sheriff x

The Quad may have far more features, capabilities and sounds, but thinking on what's realistic or useful when playing in a band, but also recording, I believe the Valeton can stand up quite well in many situations, and has all the essentials to make it versatile enough. The price difference is like day and night, but I would believe the Valeton can keep up also well, with use but not abuse only time can tell. Thanks for the demo, great video.

@LoveGuitar63277

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Run it through a Two Notes outboard or in the DAW product and you're there!

@Bridging_the_Political_Divide

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

@minkorrh

10 ай бұрын

And also remember the fact that 99% of the audience doesn't know shit and just likes what they hear whether it comes from a tube amp or a modeller jacked into house. I will guarantee you major label bands could use this stuff and no one would be he wiser.

Am very happy with my Valeton GP200. I’m just a beginner guitarist so it allows me to try a load of different amps and effects for not much money. It’s a lot more cost effective than buying a load of pedals or a QC while I’m just figuring stuff out. One tip I would give is that if you run the Valeton app on a laptop and connect via a USB cable then you can use your mouse and keyboard to tweak all of the settings, and if your laptop has a touchscreen then you can use that so it doesn’t matter that the unit doesn’t have a touchscreen

@landguitar

Жыл бұрын

That's interesting. I own the QC, and we can't plug that in to desktop edit. hmmm. But the on-screen interface is very good...

I just got a QC last week and I haven’t had a lot of sleep since LOL! Yeah it is pretty amazing, although I must say it did take some time to dial the best tones and also get my headphone setup right. But the VOX and blackface Fender tones are easily the best I’ve heard in any modeller.

Hi, I'm curious if the Chapman headstock upside down design helps a lot with the guitar staying in tune better than the traditional way!? Thanks for another awesome video Anderton's!

@markseymour8365

Жыл бұрын

No, not at all, just changes the string tension.

They both sound great. The Q.C. does sound better. But put them in a mix and I think that gap would be even more close.

I really get a kick out of the 8-bit Digital John face every time 😂

Been rocking an Axe-FX II for YEARS now and have zero desire to "upgrade". It's fantastic, the Neural is awesome, the Line 6 stuff is killer...there are SO MANY EPIC options now that you basically can't go wrong!!

@coolboy-qc4eb

Жыл бұрын

you can go wrong.. by buying boomer pedals..

@rmp5s

Жыл бұрын

@@coolboy-qc4eb lol...but even THOSE work with all this new-fangle ones and zeros nonsense! 🤣

Got the valeton for gigging in a hardcore/metal band and I love it

I'd like to see the capture features of the QC put up against the Mooer GE300. Honestly, just those two head to head overall. That's the shoot-out I'd like to see,

I don't care since I won't be buying either BUT it would be interesting to see how the cheaper one sounded with good aftermarket IR's. To me the IRs are the most important part of digital sounds.

@chopperdeath

Жыл бұрын

Right. It's all about the eq too.

9:28 I think it would be best to compare these amp models without the factory IRs - that's where most modelers either fail or win in my expierence. So if you can use your own IRs that you are used to or a real cab - things are much more even imho.

Pedal order makes a big difference on the GP-200, it's not dark when you get used to setting it up and using it

@clouds5

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I always laugh when they do these comparisons and then say ah this one sounds darker. Well then make it brighter :D But yeah these videos are mostly promotional, so they probably make more money with the QC.

@NordicMeatShield

5 ай бұрын

@@clouds5 Yeah, just dial it in to what tone you want 😂..still using it a year later, great bit of kit

I really feel like with all of these digital processor videos they should find a good quality IR and have that be a part of the demo process. Sure show us how it sounds with the stock stuff but to really hear the quality of the amp simulation, removing the 'stock cab' variable would really demonstrate the quality of the modelling algorithms. I feel like a lot of these A/B comparisons would be a lot more interesting and useful if both units were loaded up with the exact same IRs. Sure there's an argument about how that's an 'extra cost' but its a negligible cost (usually less than what a patch cable would cost you) and is especially affordable for those of us who are looking at cheaper digital processors. If IRs (and their prices) were factored into the comparison, we might see the gulf of 'bang for your buck' widen even greater. I hope the Andertons guys see this, Its one thing to ask for removal of some variables when comparing regular gear, I can see how its more hassle than for what its worth. But with digital gear being so convenient to set up and especially with loading the exact same IRs into 2 different units, I feel like that is something that should become standard in digital processor comparisons moving forward.

Don’t forget, you can assign an adaptive gate to the input block in the Quad Cortex and free up a block if you wish.

Nux MG30 user here. I'm down to neural DSP plugin's. I own most of them, and was serious about finding a good modeler(for playing live)... Well, it's a low budget pedal, and sounds so so close, to the Neurals. That I'm so happy 😁. Sold all my analog pedal, Marshall DSL amp and Randall cabinet. I'm free now!

@martindonnelly1556

Жыл бұрын

What do you play the mg-30 through now after selling your amp? Thanks

Watching the zoomed in intro I was left thinking “cor, Lee’s learnt some new techniques!”

I would like to see a comparison with the Headrush MX-5 and the Quad Cortex.

NEURAL DSP QUAD CORTEX! THANKS FOR SIGNING FOR ME, CAPTAIN! I’M THE ONE FROM BELGIUM! 👍🤘😎🙏🙌

I am using the Valeton 200LT live in conjunction with an BlueGuitar Amp1. It does a great job, both in regard to amp sounds and effects quality. The handling is super-easy and I just miss a touch screen when it comes to editing the patch names. Using a PC simplifies that, obviously. I am not missing anything on this device, to be honest. I use it with 4cable method and change between Amp1 distortion and Valeton distortion sounds. It gives a big variety of sounds. Tweaking the sounds of the Valeton with the general EQ settings is easy as well. So basically, I don't get the reason to pay more than 5-times the price for the Quad Cortex. I have no doubt that this device is better, but the difference is really very minimal.

We need this for bass too :D

For me the best bang for the pound is the Line 6 HX Stomp. Tremendous sounds and value.

@anomalousresult

Жыл бұрын

If you're a pc owner with a stomp you can get the native plugin for an extra £99 (or sometimes free), that gives you the full helix suite. Incredible value.

@DudeMcGuybro

Жыл бұрын

@@anomalousresult This is info I wanna know, what is the BEST floor unit to integrate into a home studio, and it seems like the helix is better in certain regards.

@zachmusic4511

Жыл бұрын

@@DudeMcGuybro Fractal is pretty much the top dog if you have access to a computer while using (and even if you don't in many cases)

@somethingelsedoesmatter

Жыл бұрын

I almost bought an HX Stomp but everything I read said it could do only 8 blocks? Currently testing a HeadRush, which does 11 (more than that, if you consider you can do 2x amps and 2x cabs in one block each).

@chrisjs6123

Жыл бұрын

The HX is brilliant and as you say, bang for $ the best. The effects are completely without equal and the bass sounds great too. For feel I still prefer kemper (I have both) but kemper effects not so good and bass sounds rubbish on kemper.

Guys great video, thank you ! why dont you share the IR settings from your exemples? it would be great ! :)

So you're also talking the differences between a balanced and unbalanced signal on the outputs right? Plus I'm sure the valeton you could EQ up to equal what the QuadCore is doing in sound, I know you're rushing but to really get them as close as possible, it's great to show, one being simpler and other other having to jump through menus of things to get a match or as best as possible.

I'm cheap and not recording major label albums or going on world tours so the Valeton is fine for my application. The way I use my Valeton GP- 200 is into the front of my Marshall DSL40 and a Pod Go into the effects loop. The Valeton I use for vol/wah and dirt/fuzz pedals and the Pod Go for mod/rev. Most the gain I get from the Marshall. Probably not the most premium tones but it gets the job done.

Great video.. how is the boss gx100?

I have had them all Quad, Kemper Stage, Helix, Boss Gx100, Headrush big floorboard and m5, I always go back to Fractal ax8. It’s set up perfect for live and studio as well as has amp controls on top I had Fractal iii as well ax8 just is best for me. Quad had a few issues kemper amps are great but effects lacked and fractal had all the above with best scene setup.

The Vox tone demo at 10:28 was totally the old Premier Guitar video intro! Tone and chords uncanny!

I Have the Valeton GP200LT, and I love it!!! Sound amazing!!! Even with IR much better!!!

14:31 that's how I felt watching this video lol I don't own either product, but the more I watched, the more I understood why there is a huge price difference... although it's smaller, I do prefer the interface of the cheaper one though

You were right about the cab making the valeton sound like it has a blanket over it. All the cabs in my GP-100 sound distant, small, and veiled compared to my 1x10 Eminence Lil buddy.

Ive said it before and ill say it again!! You guys NEEED to do the Valeton GP unit deep dive!! Also! Wroth noting i THINK you guys are not running the latest firmware on that GP200TL you should update it, there are some REALLY NICE updates with Delays and Reverbs on there!

More stuff like this!

Wonder what the difference would be like if you were to load a high quality custom IR on the valeton

@jann_rygh

Жыл бұрын

huge difference with YA IRs - mindblowing Clearity 🧊

@reinhardp4541

Жыл бұрын

@@jann_rygh YA IRs - where to buy? Thank you!

@markseymour8365

Жыл бұрын

@@reinhardp4541 Just Search for York Audio and you'll find them.

What model guitar is that? Looks awesome

you should adjust the global eq setting on the valeton to fit your guitar before making presets

The MX5 better be an honorable mention

Thanks for the great content, really appreciate it! Can you guys please make a video comparing differing ways to amplify an amp modeler? Should one go with power amp + normal cab, or FRFR speaker? or something like the Lin 6 Power cab? Which one is the closest to the "real amp + cab" feeling?

I do wonder if the cheaper guitar effects unit is put through a 7 band eq pedal, how far off would the sounds be? 4 to 5 x difference?

Whoa.. John kicks ass on guitar.

Would you aay the valeton would be a good sounding live straight to the desk option as either a backup or replacment for amps and pedals?

Cool video, but it doesn't answer the real question: what is that guitar in the opening?? I love, Love, LOVE reverse headstocks.

I am a tube guy. What matters most to me is how these units feel and I think this is where the gt 1000 shines. It also sounds very good if you can live with the limited amp models. Can Digital John make a series on gt1000 vs helix after Update and quad cortex? I would be really interested in his opinion especially if you go for a more classic rock sound. I own the quad cortex but enjoy playing my buddies gt1000 alot more a soon as any kind of bigger monitoring system is present.... which is weird. I mostly use captures tho.

Oh and could you guys please compare the L6 Firehawk fx vs a more modern affordable unit?

I think maybe putting a seperate eq pedal after the Valeton could solve some of its boxy/dark problems

How have the step-on adjustment buttons on the Quad Cortex been holding up in general?

@IanShreds_

Жыл бұрын

I've had my QC for a year and I use it about 25-30 hours a week and the knobs/buttons are still as good from day one

I'd really like to see a comparison between the GP 200 and the Zoom g5n.

Since the first Line 6 pod, I never got into digital and its light years from that now. The younger generation can make amazing sounds with them though. 😳

I still feel like the best value out there is the HR MX5

Digital John: Generally, would you be willing to create a paid QC patch? I love the QC, but there's this one specific sound of a prog band I keep failing to recreate with the QC and I'm at a point where everything just doesn't sound right.

Question, I own a Blackstar TVP 260 and want to use it with a Neural DSP. Ive searched online how to do this and a few people have mentioned something called the 4 cable method. Is that how i can connect to my Blackstar after enabling the Send/return feature from Blackstar's software?

If the Quad Cortex was removed, we'd all love the sounds in that Valeton!

I didn't see it in the video, but it would have been very beniificial I think to demonstrate how you stitch through the different settings/patches in a live situation. I'm assuming on the Neutral DSP you can program the four buttons on the bottom row, however it appears that on the Valeton you' have to use the Tap/scroll foot switch to change patches in a live situation.

it all comes down to the cab sim. if you put tha vale infront of a better cab sim or have them use the same sim it would be a better comparison.

best of the best entry level I choose for Pod Go

Great video chaps. Also check out Leo Gibson comparative reviews on these and similar rigs

Sorry if I missed it .. but what cab/speakers are you using? Straight into a PA?

Does 200LT have a crossover so you can use effects in parallel, like a chorus on highs for the bass? If not, what other low price multi effect can do that?

The valeton seems to be a little darker. but maybe you can set more trebles on config

Would be interested to see something similar with a middle product, say the HX Stomp.

A sweetwater ad runs at the beginning of your video... now that's marketing genius! 😆

GP200 is a great bit of kit but definitely has some odd nuances. I've been finding it tough to match tones based on picking the "right" gear to try and emulate an artist, but you can experiment through all the amps/cabs and can always get reasonably close to what you want using odd combos. One thing I've really struggled to find is a classic fender/tube screamer/klon tone (g4m) that sounds great across the whole tone range - you seem to have to sacrifice bass or treble to make the other sound great. Modern rock tones are much easier to build and sound great. Awesome value but clearly seems a step behind the QC in ultimate sound quality... Currently considering selling up and getting an actual Fender amp & some pedals but is it worth 4x the cost for a home noodler?

@lokospemusic

11 ай бұрын

Did you find those fender tones? If so, which amp/cab did you use?

@JMRacing37

11 ай бұрын

@@lokospemusic Not really sorry! I ended up buying a Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb instead 😅

What is the most affordable way to get into a digital rig that uses profiles or captures of actual amps (i.e., Kemper or neural DSP)?

These units are such an improvement over the korg ax30g. The 200LT is looking like it would suit me in many ways...

Yep I think Kiko should tour with the Valeton ,What cha think He will think about that.?

For me as long as the amp sim is good (awesome), and it can do irs, good ODs, decent non obstructive delays n reverb. Im good. Tldr its the amps+irs. If its weird, stiff sounding, i cant even play properly lol. Always can add mod and stuff later

Can I plug it straight into the cabinet or do I need a power pedal?

yes its worth it clearly! Jeez that NDSP rig sounds effin perfect! The other modeler sounds great for a $250 dollar unit!

Would like to see how the valeton stax against the nux mg 30.

For beginner and on a budget, gear these days is really putting out some cool stuff that I only wish I had access to back in my day. That said, there's no comparison here.

John is a great player. And that is saying a lot when your colleagues are Pete, Bea and Dave.