Sometimes when I start thinking I'm smart, I listen to Glenn for a little while. That usually fixes it.

The answer to IQ difference is good character. There's a job for everybody without a chip on his shoulder. So indirectly agreeing with Prof Loury that it's not the thing to concentrate on but cultural behavior.

@brucesmith1544

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cultural behaviors are different because of those groups IQ and other differences. the idea of "good character" is different for different races. your average asian and black would probably not describe these the same if they were being honest.

@ultradevon04

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@@brucesmith1544 Behavior and values have a lot more to do with socialization than they do with general intelligence. Good character is different for varying "cultures/ethnicities" because they have different values and traditions. These values/traditions can and do evolve a lot as they are very malleable. And just as an anecdotal side note, I'm black and would describe good character in a very similar way to an Asian person because I am good friends with many of them. Additionally I'm friends with many Christian people from around the world and we all share very similar ideas of good character because of our shared religious association. You premise is very flawed and would very easily lead to prejudice in my assessment.

Excellent discussion on sensitive subjects. Affirmative action is a tool that was needed in the 60 and 70, but is no longer needed. Glenn is absolutely right and has the facts, life experience and wisdom to back it up.

@cyberft

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It wasn’t needed and had detrimental effects on black development after 50 years of hindsight.

Would love to meet this dear brother. Always brings the 🔥

Thank-you sir for your discussion. Very thought-provoking.

Mr Loury! You always do an amazing job at explaining the problems, their causes and possible solutions, to racial issues. I appreciate you and your willingness to take on the hard conversations. I know you catch a lot of flack for it. Thank you for being part of the conversation and hopefully part of an actual solution!

I've listened to many, many hours of Professor Loury speak on various topics and I'm still in awe of how eloquent and articulate he is. Being able to speak so persuasively is an incredibly powerful skill.

@ultradevon04

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Sir, saying that about a black person is a microaggression. Lol

"What is the cost of lies?"

Always speaks the truth -

There is another measure you can take. Research also tells us that academic success is not merely a combination of "ability" and "effort". But, rather, developing qualities such as metacognition, purposefulness and resourcefulness as well as learning, studying and time management strategies and techniques can make a huge impact on performance and over time actually change the "abilities" of students. That is, by virtue of engaging in different practices, students develop different abilities. That fact is also a reasonable explanation of the differences in 'abilities' measured by these tests in the first place. So, instead of including these students in programs aimed at belonging, include them in programs which develop these qualities and skills that are immediately relevant to the academic tasks at hand.

Hopefully we CAN have a more respectful and "supple" conversation going forward.

I've been saying for years that if someone hurls an ad hominen attack in response to your point, respond roughly as follows: "Well, I may be or I may not be a (for example) racist and I'm willing to discuss that with you, but first let's get back to discussing the subject on the table."

Inequality is not solved by any government program. In every country in every time in history inequality is the permanent condition. Individuals must overcome whatever life presents them.

Elite schools could make public their required reading titles and textbooks. Those determined can benefit from doing the reading,

He couldn't, couldn't be more correct. I've watched affirmative action policies in my institution for decades now, and the hard factual result is that black students on average are less well-prepared, have worse study skills, do worse despite endless administrative hand-holding and "remediation," and then turn around and blame the curriculum and professors for bias. And they get a well-deserved rep for being the worst graduates. This is a recipe for their failure and worse, for tearing down all quality in all branches of learning and the professions. It has to stop. The place to put the focus is on better preparing kids in--and before--elementary school.

Anyone who is interested in this topic should read Carlos Hoyt's Arc of a Bad Idea - demographically speaking, cramming individuals into these simplistic categories "white" and "black" and "asian," makes zero sense. The shared fiction of "race" is a concept that should have been discarded a long time ago. It's done enough damage.

There are unfortunately layers of negative co-efficient outcomes to affirmative action. The standardized, including IQ, tests have high accuracy in predicting scholastic success. The thought these students could be bootstrapped with remedial classes completely failed. Even though it should have been done and the results accepted. By advancing high IQ Black Americans to competition levels they are not prepared for there are two very predictable outcomes. First, failed to complete. Second, youth who would be fine doctors or engineers are gated into economically useless degrees like race and gender neo-Marxist indoctrination. So the ethnicity's best and brightest are subsumed into the racial huckster industry. Even as the social failure and resulting suffering has increased year by year. Generation by generation. Epistemology like IQ remains a mystery. Clearly, cultural norms or culture can and do increase the theoretical demographic scores. Just as a failed ideology can reduce them. Everyone should take PhD Sowell's investigation of the subject. The Truth about 'The Bell Curve' | Thomas Sowell The reality of progressive material nihilism is simply this. Yea, we screwed you. So here are crumbs from some one else's table. Completely different from the American Black Moses Booker T Washinton of developing full human potential. Booker T would never accept the biologically impossible outcome of Black male youth IQs stalling. So generally lower than Black girls. Fix the primary schools this day. Provide school choice to parents like Dr. Carson's mother. I do not understand why but there are no shortcuts. Which should not be confused with nasty material nihilist progressives exploiting rather than solving human suffering. What must be done for young men who were cheated? Well, you do not flood the labor market with millions of functionally illiterate immigrants. The labor class of Americans is important while today race really is not. I really hate to state what is now a self-apparent reality. What progressives call Black American 'culture' is not culture at all. Foppish rebellious pop is no substitute for the works of Duke Ellington. Interesting thing. Once beyond the milk of Judeo-Christain cannon, the lesions become ever more endlessly abstract. Exactly what is required to develop the curious human mind. We are even told the endless complexity of God is beyond the IQ of man. Unlike the Jessica Tarloof zombie of the Coven zoo View. Their 'spirituality' is a knuckle-dragging self-absorbed 'I want to for no reason I can understand'. Which is fine in our Liberty Republic. It is when these angry and wantonly ignorant bleating creatures assume the tower of Babel or the state to impose their witless primitiveness on all us. Real shame. Jim Crow had to be broken. But if only Civil Rights had returned to the foundation of the American Black Moses - Booker T. The most welcomed rapid advancement of the Double Victory period would have continued. Glenn is correct that we together can focus again as Americans on human flourishing. The first step is to provide parental school choice. Like the tested success of the Rosenwald Schools achieved. Yea, the money that went to the Black Marxist with predictable results should have gone to the Woodson Center. We