Matt you'll have to stop saying I advance these guys when you're moving them normally as advancing units is an actual thing now :P.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

It's tough man! New editions always force you to relearn your terminology.

@stevenm2487

7 жыл бұрын

Still love your work :)

@TARINunit9

7 жыл бұрын

I have no idea why they didn't just call it "running" when they were making this edition. In fact, when I get the free version I'm doing a find-and-replace: "advance -> Run"

@richardharris7766

7 жыл бұрын

Because tanks can't run, but they can advance. That's why.

@stevenm2487

7 жыл бұрын

Richard Harris oh it makes total sense. Just thought I'd point it out to Matt so that it doesn't cause confusion, especially for those trying to learn the rules.

venomthropes only protect models with keyword so defiler probably should have shot at tervigon.

@richardharris7766

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah Dave barely seemed to know the rules at all and Matt didn't know them well enough, clearly. I know this is all really new still, but at the same time these rules are short and simple sooo...

@eskhaphey2873

7 жыл бұрын

I've noticed that a lot of battle reports on youtube have loads of mistakes Oo... can be painful to watch sometime XD... still a good video though lol

@---vm6vi

6 жыл бұрын

As far as I know, if a Venomthrope unit has three models, it protects monsters too.

I can't wait to start playing 40k! I'm excited for Necrons. I love the undead Egyptian aesthetic.

@lamp8900

4 жыл бұрын

Ok boomer

@nafereuskortex9055

4 жыл бұрын

Hope you are enjoying necrons

@yourmotherandthesandpeople2298

4 жыл бұрын

@@lamp8900 lamest and most unoriginal saying of all time. You only live on this rock once do it as yourself not everyone else.

@RabbidNugget

4 жыл бұрын

Your mother and the sand people okay boomer

It's always a special treat to see these guys go at it. Thanks much.

For some reason i feel like having lobster for dinner.

@yeanah9663

4 жыл бұрын

Marcus Leander ew

@willbournerv2259

4 жыл бұрын

Leave the lobsters alone bro

Watching these two "combat " armies ineffectually slap each other is hysterical. Steep learning curve. I really hope that combat doesn't change in 9th

These 8th ed battle reports are great for helping me understand the changes, glad you guys got the rules early.

You two guys are the best! Following your videos for years and you haven't lost anything of your spirit. And it is the combination of Dave's chaotic behaviour and Matt's tactical and analysing playstyle, which makes these videos so very enjoyable. Thanks guys! Really. Thanks to you. -Darko

So Matt's nids are like 1115 points and Daves chaos are only like 850 (with max upgrades...which he isnt using). Like I get wanting to show what can be done with the simpler method...but for a battle report that is supposed to be introductory I feel the impetus is upon you to figure out some level of balance and at least check the points. Chaos was super outmatched.

@TheSwedishTroll

7 жыл бұрын

Nocturn Vaka then play Matched Play, that has actual points? Don't mean to be sound rude or disrespectful, just adding my opinion.

@tuffn00gies

7 жыл бұрын

Meh. It's not like points are perfect either. But I guess they're probably at least closer.

@richardharris7766

7 жыл бұрын

It does seem odd to play a matched play game without using points. I thought the power levels were for narrative and open really.

@thezeevy

7 жыл бұрын

meaturama Umm then don't respond to my comment?

@Bluecatte

7 жыл бұрын

found the easily butthurt bitch. his name is Meatless.

12:52 haha, I missed you Dave. Always cool to see you guys battle it out!

Really awesome batrep guys, enjoyed it a lot especially the speed, it's going to be a beautiful edition :) -Sam

EVEN THE NEW RULES CANT STOP MATT MAKING ONES UP

@DementedClownGuy

7 жыл бұрын

meaturama If you don't care why reply genius?

Tip to dave - Shoot the Venomthropes before you resolve shots against the other units if you intend to shoot the Venomthropes that turn anyway. Had you taken out the Venomthrope with those 20 bolter shots, the plasma gun wouldn't have been -1 to hit, etc. Small thing but it can be pretty big if you have more shots going their way.

@blazed9346

7 жыл бұрын

The plasma shouldn't have been -1 to hit anyway, venomthrope are only covering infantry, not monstrous creatures ^^ I like Miniwargaming, but having the scans to verify such things should be common sense :)

@DementedClownGuy

7 жыл бұрын

meaturama Oh my god shut up.

You could hear the sadness in his voice when his Deamon prince died

Excellent report guys as always, really looking forward to seeing more this week. Keep it up 👍🏻

Great report! love how the new game flows and the choices that are presented. That Tervigon is a beast, and so cool.

Mac and Dennis of the warhammer world

8th looking good! Nids making a come back?! My Dark Eldar's trophy cases look like they're about to be filled with a surplus of chitin and teeth....

Thanks for my first look into 8th edition! Really looking forward to this edition with all the changes.

So real quick, for those that do not know, area terrain is a thing now and at the 17:32 min mark Dave's space marines are at at a -1 AP due to the shot making it a 4+ save, but due to being in the Ruins of the building it is a +1 to Dave's Chaos Space Marines save so his armor save is still a 3+. Also with how area terrain works now woods and such do not block line of site for shooting across the table, but 25% obscurity or them being on the (area terrain) base that the woods or ruins are on that shows the size means that it may or may not get the +1 to its save. This is actually a really big thing now as cover saves are now gone. Now my question is why did he move Deffy when his reaper autocannon has a 36 inch range, as does the heavy bolter, and the battle cannon has a 72 inch range. By not moving Deffy it would have negated the +1 to hit with his heavy weapons, as Deffy was already in range of the Venom Cannons that have the same range as 80% of Deffy's ranged weapons.

Blood for the blood god! skulls for the skull throne! Let the Galaxy burn!! Kill, maim, burn!!

@_d--

7 жыл бұрын

All shall tremble before the mighty Apple of Khorne!!

@yellowj489

7 жыл бұрын

and the great Khorne flakes

@Iamvalcristvalentine

7 жыл бұрын

glory to the Tau-va

@aname7034

7 жыл бұрын

idan Ben Avi MILK FOR THE KHORNR FLAKES!!'

Heavy venom cannons on warriors?! Is that something that changed with the new rules? Because otherwize warriors can't have the heavy variant. Love you guys anyways :)

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

Nope, I got that one wrong.

@NRGFL0

7 жыл бұрын

Matt is always cheating :P jk

@willbournerv2259

7 жыл бұрын

or "forgetful"

quick question: if a unit want to attack an enemy unit that is behind cover (not in cover but behind a building for example), do your models need to have vision on that enemy model? I don't have a rulebook yet so i can't check for myself. Is vision still a thing?

Can someone clarify for me if you out an icon on a unit of csm do you have to put an icon on each individual unit or only one to cover the whole squad??

Needs more Dave on batreps :)

Looks awesome. Seriously, this new edition is getting me back into 40k. I was starting to paint up an IG army last December but gave up after deciding the rules were a bloated mess of cheese and uselessness. Now they're trimmed off so much fat there doesn't seem to be much left but a slick rules system for players to make tactical decisions in.

40k Gameplay guys! Flamers though should either: Always hit the closest unit, or hit all units in the way.

I love this new edition so much. Not having to micromanage vehicle sides and armor along with the vehicle attack rules from 7th is so nice!

Finally chaos vs Tyranids you haven't done this battle in ages

I must say, I am liking this new edition. Rules just seem, simpler.

@trippfields279

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Layman eh, I preferred the more complicated rules myself, it made things feel beefier.

@dall1786

7 жыл бұрын

Uh there are tons of units that can tarpit like crazy with all the extra wounds on them.

@trippfields279

7 жыл бұрын

Catchaclue 22 yay. Cluster-Fest. Just like how AOS games end.

@Zerato

7 жыл бұрын

Catchaclue 22 nah its fine I'll just leave combat

@_Loken

7 жыл бұрын

You're wrong.

Loved it. Can't wait for Matt to roll out some narrative campaigns with the new system.

I love how one of the terrain pieces is a hide for lizard terrariums. I literally own the same ones for my gecko.

Very cool guys! why not use the full points method? :)

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

We definitely will, but the Power Level system is such a quick and easy way to build lists, and right now the points are really annoying to use as they are all at the back of the book and split up between wargear and models.

@Sigismund697

7 жыл бұрын

miniwargaming I actually believe the power system is going to bring another level of balance because it gauges the actual worth of units and the bonuses for power imbalance could become decisive

@MissLeafi

7 жыл бұрын

I disagree, Sigismund. Since the Power Level is measuring the potential strength of a unit you always pay too much if you don't go all out on it. Points is what gauges the actual worth of a unit with it's actual equip. It's much better balance-wise.

@Sigismund697

7 жыл бұрын

saschapanzer yet time and time again I saw games where despite point balance infantry heavy armies got decimated by machine/monster focused armies however that may be a result of the general poor balance units had in 7th we'll have to see I'm optimistic about points as they cheapen infantry and now anything can theoretically wound anything while heavy units got more expensive psykers I'm not 100% sold on their new rules though and morale is going to be harsh on horde armies

@MissLeafi

7 жыл бұрын

Just because GW fails to cost units and gear properly it doesn't mean the system itself is at fault unlike with the power level system which is flawed itself. It's nice for quick pick up games but if you want real balance you should go for points after all.

I actually thought Dave would win this match. It seems Tzeench had other plans.

They have already addressed whether you can reroll dice for a model that gives rerolls for units with a certain distance and the answer is you can. The reason being that you are definitely within x" of yourself. This was mentioned on WarhammerTV and from memory on their FB as well.

Loving the new streamlined 40k, I stopped playing around 6th due to over complex rules layered upon rules and started playing other games. But now i'm looking at going back to the system, never thought I'd see that day.

Are Orks and Tyranids in the same Index?

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, Xenos 2.

@George-di6yg

7 жыл бұрын

Excellent! I play Tyranids and my brother plays Orks!

@lukecoleman1289

7 жыл бұрын

Yes

Dave The Great Khan of Chaos

Heres a quick question. In the rules it says you select a unit to attack and swap during the assault phase, does this mean you swap models, i.e one with the power fist, then an enemy unit, then another with a wolf claw? Or does it just mean the entire unit, with a mixed bag of "initiative" weapons, i.e. power fist, frost axe, runic axe and all the chainsword, then an entire enemy unit with the same?

Hey guys I noticed something when Matt split the fire of his termagaunts. It's by weapon profile (ie Bolters, flamers, ect.) not model. So All the devourers have to shoot at the same target, and then the flesh borers can shoot into another target. But you cannot fire half your devourers into one target and half into another.

The biggest problem I see so far is how tightly packed units and models can be now on the table. Formerly blasts necessitated spreading your units and models out and this seems to be encouraged by the tightness of things like the venomthropes ability. Why remove characters joining units to avoid the deathstar issue and then take steps where entire armies can viably deathstar

Is Dave sick? His voice sounds off. Nice battle report.

Always love the battle reports guys.

Very helpful! Great Battle Report!

Midnight Release gaming? Dave sounds sickly... Probably from not providing enough BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

Q_Q i trully prefer the old point system

@OniFeez

7 жыл бұрын

The new actual points system (not power levels) is actually better because it's more granular. In the past they tried to keep things in 5 point increments; which throws some stuff out of whack especially in comparison with each other.

A perfect match up for the long awaited "new" era of war!

i was hoping some one can clarify can i stack hive fleet leviathain adaptation (6+ feel no pain in synapse) with tenacious survivor warlord trait (6+ feel no pain) to 2 x 6+ feel no pain or do they overlap?

@---vm6vi

6 жыл бұрын

No, they don't stack. But having a leviathan Flyrant with Catalyst is awesome/what you are going for.

So far.......this is really interesting. It seems infantry got kind of nerfed big time,unless you play tactically going cover to cover which is really interesting as well,a much bigger emphasis on vehicles and transports which is awesome too. Vehicles also getting buffed is AWESOME!!! So far I am so excited,I play AoS and I'm so happy to see the wound chart back and balanced. Reserves at any time etc... I see this being really good.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say Infantry got nerfed. I actually feel it's the opposite now that everything can hurt everything. The entire meta has changed. It's hard to even compare to 7th edition because the mechanics are so different. Strength 4 is totally different now. Leadership has a new meaning. No more initiative. Movement values for each unit. It's really hard to even think it's the same game.

@Adamus39

7 жыл бұрын

miniwargaming definitely,I guess I used too broad of a statement. I guess I meant armor saves,seeing space marines fall so easily is new to me. I'm used to Termies and Tacticals take more punishment,but yes everything seems so new

@FluffyWesties

7 жыл бұрын

I am a very, very old and crusty wargammer (45 yrs old) and to me, and when i got back into 40k last year the rules just felt overly complex and unweildly, especially vehicles. Been a subscriber for mini wargamming for a long time. To me, this game now is a lot closer to the simpler and more enjoyable original edition (which I have proudly sitting in my bookshelf), different movement values. To me, it looks like quality infantry now matter a lot more, large and expensive units need to be carefully thought about before deploying, i'm very tempted to field a large marine army (I went mental and got the limited edition set with all the codexes) because i enjoyed forming 'firing lines' or 'gun lines' with lots of basic tactical marines. Looking forward to 8th edition!

@thelogicbombers486

7 жыл бұрын

@ Adamus39 Interesting that you would say that, playing Dark Angels Deathwing lists, I feel like my Terminators actually last longer in this edition as opposed to 7/6th edition. Especially considering that Armor saves aren't entirely negated by AP2/1 weapons(Most seem to have -1 or -3). Now, a lot of weapons that would wipe out my entire squad, I get to make 3+ or 4+ armor saves before having to resort to my invulnerable save, and even if I lose that, it doesn't necessarily mean they die, as most of the high Damage weapons are busy focusing on what vehicles I brought to the game. Even playing Orks, I feel like Meganobz, or for any list basically anything with a 2+ Armour save, is actually worth taking again. Admittedly, after probably 6+ games under my belt of 8th (I do 8th edition demo-ing for my local hobby store) I will say that matches are faster and much more brutal than the last two editions, and even maybe more so than 5th, but for a war-game, I don't think that's a bad thing.

@Adamus39

7 жыл бұрын

The Logic Bombers definitely,that comment was just a first impression as I unfortunately haven't been able to afford the transition to 8th yet (buying the rule books). But again I worded my statement terribly haha because I'm definitely not used to it being that brutal I guess. I'm very excited to see models wiped off the field very quickly. 7th edition was the only one I have played so I don't have much context to the other editions but so far I very much like this edition. But I am definitely excited! Definitely much more thought into the tactics on the battlefield and the thought behind building your list!

It's time!

@aquaknight21

7 жыл бұрын

to go to church because with trump as president and 8 edition not even the emperor can save us.

@kaisercollins3097

7 жыл бұрын

Whats up with all the loser ass Emperor haters my god

37:00 what rules makes the wounds not spill over to the other warriors while they are in the same unit?

how do points work in the new edition? i know units have power points but what about individual upgrades? can i just load up on combi flamers and plasma or is there a limit

@Hippie629

7 жыл бұрын

I not sure about how they affect power levels, but the points cost are combi-flamers 11, combi-grav 17, combi-melta 19, and combi-plasma 15.

@---vm6vi

6 жыл бұрын

As far as I am aware, you decide points limit with your opponent.

YEAH it is finally out. FINALLY. Lets see if it is as good as wargaming hopes it is. I am more then expecting allot of complaints about "But this is how we did it in the past." In short, the usual.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

Oh, it's as good as we hope. :)

@trippfields279

6 жыл бұрын

miniwargaming (Laughs hysterically)

So Is 8th edition Age of Sigmar in Space ?

@_Loken

7 жыл бұрын

Afan Nr5 Pretty much.

@Wildboy789789

7 жыл бұрын

Afan Nr5 no, this is just the 40k end times before 40k AoS

@trippfields279

7 жыл бұрын

Afan Nr5 unfortunately yes.

@OniFeez

7 жыл бұрын

Not really. It's like 40k second edition redux more than anything else,

@Wildboy789789

7 жыл бұрын

OniFeez it took a while for 8th edition fantasy to hit end times... but the imperium is about to split, and the warp storm is only getting stronger

Hi!!! nice batrep!!! Can you tell me how do you do the giant trees on the table???

This really helped me learn the game. Thank you

I'm really, really not feeling the " Can't shoot characters unless they are closest" rule. Sure it makes sense for Tau, eldar or guard since characters can reasonably blend in with the troops, but stuff like warbosses or other flashy big guys? A flying daemon prince of all things? It makes you feel like your seasoned, highly trained warriors of the future are prone to sudden idiocy. NItpick : Really don't like how this edition embraces plasma fail re-rolls, with new overcharge rules it almost feels like it enforces you to either spam plasma and keep them within 6 inches of the new generic "re roll 1 to hit" trait characters, or not take them at all.

@wfTitus

7 жыл бұрын

d0nutwaffle plasma has two profiles. The first does not kill you. It's only when you super charge the gun. So you decide if the risk is worth it.

@bingebammer9927

7 жыл бұрын

its a rule they had to take because its in AoS. These are copy pasted rules, theres no thought about it making sense. All the differences from AoS are things they are probably updating there soon...

@wfTitus

7 жыл бұрын

Binge Bammer That's an opinion. "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter." Pascal

@cabaltrainee3118

7 жыл бұрын

Binge Bammer I hope you right because that would fix AoS somewhat. The differences are what makes 8th work and AoS suck.

@bingebammer9927

7 жыл бұрын

@wftitus Yes it makes Great sense that vehicles stand next to each other and flap their doors trying to kill each other. super sense, much tactical, such fluff

Dave screwed up. Against an army like this, he should have backed up wide right with his CSM and pulled his Defi left. Bubble wrap Defi with Cultists to protect against the Raveners, blow away the Venomthropes. Then, even if he does pull the Summon charge move to catch up with the CSM, he leaves his Termagon incredibly exposed, which is where the Daemon Prince can swoop in and murder. The Exocrin is tricky, but I think that Defi could have murdered him or you could have sent the Cultists after him once they dealt with the Ravener.

@glazedgamer7661

7 жыл бұрын

Should have, could have, would have.

@nathanielsmith5976

7 жыл бұрын

It is easier to coach from the couch I'll admit.

Good thing they will be addressing the Power lvl of every model, as I can safely assume that Exocrine is under costed.

that silence after the steal the initiative roll

is it just me or is this Age of Sigmar in space? disappointed, they took my favorite game and undid so much of what made it fun. it's gonna be more balanced and I guess shooting is a bigger thing in this than AoS but almost the same thing.

@onionhat745

7 жыл бұрын

Logan Lough AoS did turn into good game, though.

@loganlough6510

7 жыл бұрын

Dok Scrofula I personally never enjoyed it but after watching more batreps and army overviews I'm excited to try this new game system.

I got to say, not loving those cover rules, at all.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm not a big fan either. They had to be simplified, but maybe they could have been done better.

@ninaninanina95

7 жыл бұрын

So glad you agree. I wouldnt hate it so much if the models in cover still recieved it, even if one or two models arent in the cover. To me that just KILLS small terrain that would otherwise make a battlefield look nice, because no one will be able to use it.

@colonelcabbage

7 жыл бұрын

What you can do is roll saves and take wounds on the models outside first, then once they are gone you can roll with cover for the remaining models.

@lordblacksteel5977

7 жыл бұрын

Small squads and characters could easily still use small terrain features for cover.

@ninaninanina95

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah but I dont want to be forced to field a bunch of smaller squads just so those terrain peaces become useful. Thats such a waste to me

Very cool, good discussion at the end

Does anyone know where they got these rules from cause I want to see them

Can you do a big amazing apocalyptic battle between to celebrate the end of 7th edition

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

Nope. Sorry!

@elijahkhaira8154

7 жыл бұрын

miniwargaming could you do one between you and matt

@Ginjitzu

7 жыл бұрын

😆Wow! Shut down just like that, huh miniwargaming? 😆

Really not a fan of building lists off of power level only. So much of the strategy of 40k is just left out entirely that way. You should have to make tough choices when making a list

@subaveragejoe2

7 жыл бұрын

it's for people who want to hit the table faster. Tournament play will almost always be points based.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

I'm not saying Power Level is better than Points, I'm just saying they both have their pros and cons. With Power Levels you can quickly build a list, while with Points you can theoretically balance the game more. Both are fun.

@tarkhan15

7 жыл бұрын

Matched has more precise balance, but power level is a lot easier to get a game going. If you take your army to get in some games at a store or something, its a lot easier to play someone with a smaller force if you can just leave out units without having to fully re-calculate your army list.

@marley4404

7 жыл бұрын

Normal points are a pisstake to make an army initally, since each model doesn't come with wargear. It takes ages, especially with Deathwatch where everyone has special weapons. The points itself work, but it took 20 mins to make a 1000pts list.

@CxOrillion

7 жыл бұрын

We're not even feeling the real benefit of the new point system yet. Let's say GW needs to adjust the points of a bolter. Now they just bump the cost of a bolter, rather than bumping the cost of each unit that has the bolter, and then adjusting costs on any piece of wargear that replaces a bolter.

What i want to know why is there no night lords in the new index i was gonna switch from tau to chaos ;) but now im not so sure. It would be cool if there were 40k rules for Konrad Curze.

I've had problems with power levels with my skittarii since the infantry kits come with only one of each of the special weapons, so you either have to have a mix of weapons, kit bash, or buy lots of extra kits

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

That's not too much of an issue, as Power Levels aren't meant for you to always max things out, but just to bring what you have. If you're playing competitively then I'd use points.

@ghillieguy52

7 жыл бұрын

miniwargaming in that case I wish I had a ton of arc rifles since they're only 4pts a piece

I was watching the batrep and I was like "hey it looks pretty ok" and then the assault phase happened. Way too many restrictions on close combat, especially for large units, but pretty ok for elite squads. Ork players prepare to cry

@PrinceEphriam

7 жыл бұрын

Datheavyguy I guess larger squads can pull other units into combat when they charge and pile in. it works out way better against gun line armies that previously tore them to shreds.

@TheSwedishTroll

7 жыл бұрын

Datheavyguy I guess Actually, I played a game against Orcs yesterday... they are officially the scariest thing ever! Considering that you now are allowed to fire pistols while in combat.

welcome to 40k, the END times

hey guys, how do you build your armies in 8th edition. do point values even matter anymore or is it build straight around power value?

@---vm6vi

6 жыл бұрын

point values are still a thing.

Your bat reps are much better than even GW's! Well done guys.

I'm not liking the new rules........

17:40 dave is in cover, so his 3+ saves become 2+, and your rend reduces him back to 3+, so he should have passed

@marcogrunwald6500

7 жыл бұрын

Actually no, because a unit has to be completly in cover to get the bonus and some of the marines were not in cover.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

He had a few guys out of cover, so no cover bonus.

@Viper666-Qc

7 жыл бұрын

quick tip: always remove the models in the open first so you get your cover save once all the remaining models in the units are in cover

Been following these guys for years and spikey bits. best things for mini war gamers man. Outside of some little errors with new editions for anything that gets released it is basically learning a whole knew game. Matt just a heads up the cumulative Markerlights and not having to spend them makes a huge difference. Also Stealt Suits, and Ghostkeels with advanced targeting system are things of beauty play tested that today. Also 2 hammerheads one of them being longstrike with twin SMS and railguns is crazy good. It actually puts off almost the same firepower of a broadside when you use the submunition and is actually cheaper than the broadside. Mind you the broadside with twin high yield missile pod, twin smart missile system and Advanced Targeting system is a bloody army killer with its 16 shots coming off of it with SMS being (heavy 4, st 5, AP0 "now AP -1 due to ATS", and D -1) the HYMP is now (Heavy 4, St 7, AP-1 "now AP -2 due to ATS) and D- d3) mind you the twin heavy rail rifle is nothign to scoff at it has 1 purpose to kill monsters, and vehicles with it this stat line (range 70", heavy 2, ST8, AP-4, D- d6 "any 6 on to wound rolls it is an additional mortal wound added). The Hammerhead is 8 shots with SMS (heavy 4, st 5, AP-0, D - 1) and the railgun is a thing of beauty.

Dude. Those models are painted fucking beautifully.

matt with the 'unsportsman' like play telling dave tervagon isnt good in combat and then 1 shots his hq with it, this is why hes my least favorite miniwargamer. poor form dude.

@Zerato

7 жыл бұрын

scott b I once killed a maxed squad of Terminators with a Liberian with a non boosted force staff.

@blaxicanx

7 жыл бұрын

scott b What other options did Dave have? As we saw it would basically be impossible for Dave to win as long as the Tervigon was alive, so who would the prince attack if not the tervigon? Frankly, Dave lost this match in the list building phase.

@scottb4272

7 жыл бұрын

yeah his list wasnt great and nothing stopped him from checking the stats himself, he also wiffed in combat. but matt down played his dude to draw him in, in a friendly game just seems like a bit of a douche move. as for better targets to charge, well you have apoint and i see what you mean. he wasnt in the best spot at that point.

@allenbroussard1451

7 жыл бұрын

He actually should have charged the warriors with his demon prince and destroyed them.

@richardharris7766

7 жыл бұрын

Oh come on, Matt plausibly explained why he thought his Tervigon sucked. Plus he got lucky, and Dave was unlucky.

i went into this with an open mind , but im sorry , this just isnt much fun to watch . maybe itll get better when everyone's used to it but it really does seem like AoS with guns

@trippfields279

7 жыл бұрын

disappointing to be sure.

@_Loken

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@shienryuu4146

7 жыл бұрын

It *is* AoS with guns, only with even less flavor.

@dreadvoid5068

7 жыл бұрын

ya being similar to a better system that is balanced sounds really disappointing.

@GrandAdmThrawn

7 жыл бұрын

you're joking? AOS destroyed WFB for me and many people I know...

They've thought about the "can you reroll your own 1s" thing - on the bottom right of the Shooting Phase page you'll find "Aura Abilities", and it says "unless the ability in question says otherwise, a model with a rule like this is always within range of the effect.

Would the poison sacks also affect deffy? In my mind it makes little sense but I mean on paper, also if the venom cannon had poison. And does d3 wounds how would poison affect that?

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

Yes they would.

Those morale rolls annoy me greatly though. "6 just die" ... from what? fear? such BS :/

@Phoenixdown37

7 жыл бұрын

The fluff for it is that they're running away not dying.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

Breaking. Running away. How does that not make sense? Either way, making sense is hardly a prerequisite for a miniature wargame. :)

@CedricTheMad

7 жыл бұрын

Its just something that bothers me. Not that i'm complaining about 8th in its entirety. This is literally the only thing that irks me. (ill get over it) Also, i thought you guys didn't bother with replying on KZread? Reading comments because you are interested in the general opinion about 8th? Vault member here. I realy hope you guys give KZread some more loving, perhaps you could in the future place vault video's on youtube after 6 months or a year? There are alot of people who earn their money from KZread and its ads alone. (although i realise you are getting to large to fund with ads alone) ... or get an alternative on Vimeo because their video streaming service seems sub par to me. (vault vids stop to buffer at least once for me). Cheers!

@TheRevan942

7 жыл бұрын

Basically its to represent units that are "no longer in combat" (what the local gw rep said). Those guys could be tending to the injured, have suffered non life-threatening but still disabling injuries, or just ran away.

@azuregrahame815

7 жыл бұрын

I think having units losing a few models to moral makes a lot more sense than the entire unit tyrning around and running in cohesion until they all decide to turn back around and fight.

Something about the new mechanics just feels so I don't even know, not 40k. Some of the new stuff makes sense, some of it is utterly nonsensical. It feels so cheap, it's like Dawn of War 3 tabletop version. Just throw blobs at each other and watch them die. I wanna know what genius decided to get rid of templates.....that is blasphemy.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

This game was only at 50 Power Level, and Dave took large blobs. In our other games you'll see more diversity in units and tactics.

@dagroth123

7 жыл бұрын

they don't feel 40k, because this is effectively "Age of Sigmar+". while it gave GW a basis to balance that they're more used to... let's be honest, they're not a game company.

@trippfields279

7 жыл бұрын

Judge Lazar yeh, the no templates thing is really retarded.

@_Loken

7 жыл бұрын

Judge Lazar you might as well smash your models together and make gun noises. that has more depth than this edition. My advice, start playing 30k or move to another company's game system entirely.

@dreadvoid5068

7 жыл бұрын

oh you mean those things that slowed down the game and caused arguments over how many hits people were getting. seriously anyone that is complaining about the new changes is just an old wizard talking about back in the good ol days we had this this and this and anything different is bad. the game plays so much faster and there is next to no debate over issues that came up in previous editions. not only that the game is incredibly balanced. not once have i seen units that are broken yet. no more grav spam no more deathstars no more 6's to hit flyers, psychic spam with next to no opponent interaction or ridiculous cover saves. everything is viable. you don't need 100's of pages of rules to make a good game. if you people talking trash about this edition cant see how this rejuvenated a game that was spiraling out of control, than sell your models and get out we don't need you anymore

I haven't dug through the rules yet to check but at least in AoS you are allowed to break unit coherency when you are in combat. So in the example in this BP the dude would have just piled in as normal. Assuming they carried that over from AoS. Great stuff, guys! Keep 'em coming!

@wfTitus

7 жыл бұрын

Lucias Meyer You can retreat in 40k now too :-) Dave should have done that to go after the warriors.

Thank you for your dedication and for your videos < 3

Forge World is the only talent left at Games Workshop, how long before they get forced to make this boring, "accessible", garbage too I wonder.

@acedrow

7 жыл бұрын

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@xXM60E4Xx

7 жыл бұрын

Loken aye so salty, tasty salt, iz so salty

@silver4831

7 жыл бұрын

Its not like they have updated the game before. Oh wait!

@MarkSubie

7 жыл бұрын

i smell a tau and eldar player

Love watching your videos keep up the awesome work More tyranid videos please :)

At 51:38 you mentioned that your tervigon cant spawn termagants because you didnt pay for them. Where can I find information about it? In the german rulebook it sounds as if they were free of charge.

I would really appreciate seeing an even army fielded by Matt and Dave and see who would win. Just by looking at the model count alone Dave was already at a disadvantage, along with other things like upgrades, fielding cultists etc.

Great batrep guys, glad to see some nid action. Just kept thinking "clever girl" with the tervigon. So, seems Tyranids are more deadly than previously in close combat and even ranged...obviously only seeing a few units.

Those 2 big (rock)trees are just awesome. You made or bought them? (if bought: from where?)

I like what they did with the former blast weapons. It makes them more balanced by making them less effective against blobs, but also more effective against solo and low model count units. They're more uniform in their effect and that gives the user a wider choice of targets. Before, you'd never consider using a battle cannon on just one model unless there was literally nothing else to shoot at. Now, it's a reasonable choice. I like having more options.

Where do you guys get the tree terrain?

Do plasma weapons overheat now on vehicle equipped with them or they kept the "cooling system"? Don't want any destroyed tank due to a 1.

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

They still overheat if you super charge them, but I've noticed some tanks have special rules to help them only take a few wounds from it rather than being slain.

@rickjohnson3171

7 жыл бұрын

miniwargaming If you think 6 wounds of 12 on a leman russ is just a few.... lol I think they made suoercharging way too punishing, unless you can reroll ones you will barely want to use it, especially with 2W+ models.

@rickjohnson3171

7 жыл бұрын

miniwargaming supercharging*

seems to play pretty much exactly like aos except its sic fi and with some extra rules on top of the core system? or am i missing something?

Hey, since the corerules are only 12 pages long, will they be aviable at GW for free like for Age of Sigmar ore do I have to buy the 280 sites book just for the 12 rulepages? And will there be warscrolls for the units like in aos ore do I have to look in which book of the 2 Imperial books are my rules for example Imperial Guard and buy that one?

@miniwargaming

7 жыл бұрын

I believe the core rules will be free.

@TheRevan942

7 жыл бұрын

Basic core rules will be free, the main handbook is kinda like the Generals handbook from AoS with some extra content. No warscrolls/free rules for individual units, and you will have to buy Imperium 2 for IG rules (tbf its a steal).

@disponydof

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, yes i saw today that on the books its statet which units are included :)

Hey matt! What are your thoughts on the 'nids in 8th overall? I'm REALLY considering making them my next army to build and I've heard a lot of people say that they're quite improved, but i'd love to hear your opinion on them

what are your thougths about "power level" list vs "points list"? in my familiar relaxed meta, the process of building an army with smaller and simpler numbers sounds interesting(before, we just have an idea for an army, go to battlescribe, let the app do all the maths and round up points with a plasma around here o dozer blade there...), but the armys feel balanced yet? is there any table like "50 power lvls are around this many points" for a 7th player?

@TheRevan942

7 жыл бұрын

Power levels are pretty good for a casual/friendly game or a narrative driven game. It isn't completely balanced, but so far all of the games I have played are pretty close (one lasting for about 4 hrs, 29 points 2v2, Necrons+CSM vs Genestealer Cult&Nids, however the length was mostly due to a rules error we caught after 3hrs in {infinite swarm of gaunts}).

@mtrunkello

7 жыл бұрын

What did you come up with for the termagants? The tervigon datasheet didnt say anything about spending points on them. Not in power points and not in regular points.

+miniwargaming Where exactly does it say that Flamers ignore cover?

how does line of sight work now?

Nice game guys. While today was not your day Dave, you will have vengeance one day. Can't wait to get my own 8th edition battle reports out.