To be honest naming the planet mobius was genius. A mobius strip has a ring shape, there are rings everywhere on the planet.

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. It's fitting, it's iconic, and it would be a subtle nod to the American cartoon fandom without making it a headache.

@ledetbrothers9210

3 жыл бұрын

@@GameApologist Sonic’s planet will always be Möbius to me. 😊

@lynxfresh5214

3 жыл бұрын

These days nether Blaze's nor Sonics worlds have actual names but we have planet Earth ("human" dimension) and planet wisp (Sonics dimension), consistent right?!? Screw the canon/continuity (since Sega clearly don't care about it either), Sonics world will always be called Mobius in my eyes.

@ledetbrothers9210

3 жыл бұрын

@Johannes Brahms It will always exist to me. Besides, what else can I call Sonic’s world without it sounding awkward?

@RotaAbyssian

3 жыл бұрын

Quoth ITeachVader, all of Mobius will be Mybius!

Man, all the potential of lore just from the RINGS of all things. Shit, this universe's story needs to be set free again

@RedTygon

3 жыл бұрын

Would love to see Knuckles Chaotix revived and done justice to.

@PinkMawile

3 жыл бұрын

But if you do that, we might end up with another 100+ Echidnas.

@Floomatech

3 жыл бұрын

@@PinkMawile Nono we have no ken penders it’s okay

@Mike14264

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah... Like, imagine if there's an explanation for why rings manifest about everywhere, not just in golden jewelry but even naturally, in a similar way that the numbers from the Fibonacci Sequence are ingrained in our world's nature as well! I mean... The SatAM cartoon was probably the first piece of Sonic media to dabble in that, which is very interesting...

Chaos Emeralds, Chaos Rings, Time Stones, Sol Emeralds, Phantom Ruby, etc, not to mention mysterious locations like Little Planet or the Lost Hex. I really wish there's a game that fully explains all these things, would make for interesting stories and lore.

@jonathanwilson1539

3 жыл бұрын

You missed World Rings.

@erichvalger141

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanwilson1539 He *did* put "etc".

@spydersoup8447

3 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping to explain those, using one major thing and a few other established things that I'm suprised no one ever talks about or addresses.

@JiJ1511

3 жыл бұрын

There's an entire reality and mythos that they just do not wanna tackle because Sonic Team has a habit of putting a certain blue pincushion in front of us.

@spydersoup8447

3 жыл бұрын

​@@JiJ1511 That explains why they basically reckoned Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood despite what it tried to do for the lore of Sonic (I'm hoping to do what that game tried to do, but much better, as well as taking the major things that game introduced like the Nocturnus Clan, the Twilight Cage, Argus and the Precursors and tweaking them all because not only I found the orignal Nocturnus Clan to be unappealing because I'm not a fan of the 'evil lost civilization returning for world domination' trope, it can work like in Doctor Who, but in this case, it didn't, but also so that I can use them to further explain things and make certain plot elements a lot more sense. Also, the explanations Sonic Chronicles is outdated, especially since games like Sonic Unleashed came out, and even stuff I'm suprised never got addressed in the game like the Black Arms aliens from Shadow the Hedgehog, or even G-merl from Sonic Advance 3. Sonic Chronicles constantly mentions Emerl, why couldn't they have G-merl be part of the RPG game? Why doesn't he ever appear in any future games after Sonic Advance 3, not only in Sonic Chronicles, but why could they have him appear in the DS version of Sonic Colours as part of the side missions in Tropical Resort with Cream and Cheese or even have his own trophy in the console version of Sonic Generations? Sorry, but it just hurts that G-merl only makes his grand return in the IDW Comics, but never in the games, and not many people even addresses him) and how Sonic Boom went from a prequel story pitched by BigRedButton to being a different continuity completely. The idea they pitch is their take of how Sonic and Dr. Eggman met for the first time. Sega decided to turn it into a different separate take on the franchise while the main series isn't going anywhere.

10:45 Sonic Adventure left me with the impression that after Chaos wiped out the echidna tribe and Tikal sealed it and herself within the Master Emerald, that chunk of land was sent high in the sky to keep the emerald out of reach, and prevent any more Chao from getting killed. Can't fight over a magic gem if you can't reach it.

@mrdrybonestv

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, I thought it was implied that it was Tikal's will to move what would become Angel Island into the sky so that Chaos would never be released.

@hotspicywings8235

3 жыл бұрын

"cant fight over a magic gem if you cant reach it" flying vehicles would like to know your location

@BlueSatoshi

3 жыл бұрын

@@hotspicywings8235 I don't think anyone there anticipated the invention of aircraft.

"That just sounds like a stupid battery" Well in real life they've apparently found ways to make batteries using artificial diamonds and SA2 shows us one artificial emerald... I got no idea where I'm going with this, but the mention of that got my brain making connections.

@_Tzer

3 жыл бұрын

Negative chaos energy positive chaos energy mix them both and you get ultra perfect the mixing and you get hyper

@MungkaeX

3 жыл бұрын

In real life they’ve also found a way to use potatoes as an energy source.

@MungkaeX

3 жыл бұрын

@Samuel Christiansen not sure as we don’t fully understand the method by which Sonic achieves his Super form. My comment was purely in response to the OC about diamond batteries in real life.

@MungkaeX

3 жыл бұрын

@Samuel Christiansen It sure is.

@razorionxvii638

2 жыл бұрын

The chaos drives?

I remember hearing a headcanon that the Chaos Emeralds create rings in order to release excess amounts energy within them, and with how little energy it takes to make a single ring, that’s why they’re everywhere in the Sonic universe.

*Crackpot Theory time:* Honestly, it sounds totally plausible that the resurfaced island from Knuckles' Chaotix with the ancient echidna ruins and writings, IS the Mystic Ruins from Sonic Adventure. They're both islands that are near/next to where Angel Island falls into the ocean, and the Tikal flashbacks in Sonic Adventure imply Angel Island was once a part of the Mystic Ruins before the landmass would eventually somehow be raised to the sky. Also, it would explain why there are so many researchers patrolling the Mystic Ruins yet still seem to be discovering things, and why the train station there seems so simple and, to be honest, not well constructed: it would be because the Mystic Ruins have only been above the ocean for a few years at most. That's enough time for the humans to build an overseas railroad and a raggedy train station, but only enough time to have only been doing their research for some months (as one of the NPCs mention). Then Angel Island ends up falling again because of the Master Emerald shattering, and you know the rest. I mainly like this theory because it adds yet another connection between the "Classic" series and "Modern" series, despite what Sega nowadays says (I hate the 2 dimensions idea), and also because it gives us a sort of clue as to how much time would have had to pass in between Sonic 3&K and Sonic Adventure. This could also explain why Eggman tries to build Eggmanland in Station Square instead of the perfectly available Mystic Ruins, because he essentially already tried that and the Chaotix foiled that plan. So he ends up setting his sights on bigger horizons, because that's just how Eggman is. (Of course, the biggest problem with this admittedly flimsy theory, is that there are no remnants of Eggman's schemes during Knuckles' Chaotix in Sonic Adventure's Mystic Ruins. However, we could had easily just not seen the entirety of Mystic Ruins during Sonic Adventure, and thus simply missed it... Alright, look, just let me have my fun, okay?)

@johndewberryiii9925

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if mystic cave from sonic 2 is connected as well. Nice theory

@makaylafloyd8156

3 жыл бұрын

In all honesty, there's enough here that that could easily be waved. I mean, what if the train station and railroad were built from the old Eggman stuff? Or originally to clean it up and they found the ruins beneath?

@Keegstar

3 жыл бұрын

@@johndewberryiii9925 Isn't that the zone that got scrapped and then put back in in sonic and knuckles? Atleast that's what I remember

@Keegstar

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought it was, in the beginning of sonic adventure you can see the entirety of mystic ruins while angel island is in the air.

@SlashCraftJack

3 жыл бұрын

If you take the canon-adjacent Sonic X into consideration, Mystic Ruins and Angel Island were teleported to Earth for a while, That's why the train station there seemed rushed. But it's still possible for them to be the same place However, this wasn't the first time the Mystic Ruins were on Earth considering Gerald Robotnik's creations taking major influence from the ruins and their depictions.

I really like the Emerald-Ring lore, but I really wanna know what is up with those damn monitors.

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

The ONLY time we got anything even close to an explanation were some posters in SA2, which made them look like a standard capsule that holds various products.

@BlueSatoshi

3 жыл бұрын

RIP Failure Cresh

@AAhmou

3 жыл бұрын

The 1 ups are the creepiest IMO.

@AzraelThanatos

3 жыл бұрын

@@GameApologist Wasn't there a mention of something about them in the Sonic 3 booklet, I remember something, specifically, in the description of the Robotnik/Eggman ones for the US.

@JamesChessman

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I never wondered about the monitors because I never took the series in such a literal way... but yeah, I guess they need an explanation. Well, really I'm not sure if they need an explanation or not, lol. The series was always obviously built for gameplay experience, above all else. And yeah, I think homie is right that they get mentioned in Sonic 3 booklet, don't they say that Robotnik put stuff in the monitors, or something like that?

Jeez how many mystical gems we have in this series? We have the... Chaos Emeralds Super Emeralds Master Emerald Sol Emeralds Precious Stone Phantom Ruby Jewel Scepter World Rings Time stones Chaos Rings Dark Rings... Imagine having ALL that Power... But on a serious note, I LOVE this. This is the type of stuff we need in Sonic again. These are the type of reasons why I'm still into the series, and your video peaked my interest on the lore of the rings and emeralds they had set for this franchise.

@alinastanescu4430

3 жыл бұрын

If Sonic had all of that chaos energy he would transfrom into a transformation more powerfull than hyper sonic

@alexbaribeault

3 жыл бұрын

@@alinastanescu4430 Obviously. The Super emeralds are already included in the list.

@zephyx5514

3 жыл бұрын

What is precious stone and jewel scepter

@lightgivemepower6425

3 жыл бұрын

@@zephyx5514 Precious Stone A Huge gem from Sonic Shuffle. The precious stone that created a world called maginary world- A World that assembles the dreams of those in all other dimensions, a world where dreams and reality cross paths. The power of the stone makes dreams come true. Jewel Scepter The staff From Sonic rush adventure. The scepters strength lies in its ability to channel the Power of the Stars-an energy which separates and sustains parallel dimensions.

@rubydoezstuff3948

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t forget about the Warp Topaz!

Right at the start: Merry Chaotixmas

@chasethemaster3440

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

This is literally the last half an hour for Christmas for me

@Sovic91

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. Do you live in Europe. (Asking because of time-zones)

@chrishansen1842

3 жыл бұрын

That last half hour started 14 minutes ago for me but practically same

@swirlingabyss

3 жыл бұрын

Same. I'm going to bed now. I have work in the morning.

“sounds like a stupid battery” - the game apologist Oh, and by the way, IT IS A BATTERY

Vector would want us to remember the birth of our lord and savior

Can we just appreciate the fact that this man made a well detailed and entertaining video on Christmas thanks game apologist and i hope everyone’s Christmas is going great 👍

@JamesChessman

3 жыл бұрын

thank you stepbro

It's kinda a shame that the chaos rings and dark rings never returned in future games

@lynxfresh5214

3 жыл бұрын

"Expanded and nuanced lore that adds depth to the world as well as makes it more immersive?" Nah... have your half-assed two worlds and enjoy your mandates!

@welchrebooted4739

3 жыл бұрын

@@lynxfresh5214 and classic and modern dimensions

@musio3438

3 жыл бұрын

@@welchrebooted4739 no just no I don’t care what sega says classic sonic is younger modern sonic

@kamikaze2812

3 жыл бұрын

@@musio3438 im pretty much sure the reason tails said "from a another dimension" is because after generations the timelines probably split, not because they want retcon sonic being classic and modern

@Michael-bb5dd

3 жыл бұрын

@@musio3438 He still is, it's just that the one from Generations became his own dimensional entity after the events of Generations. ​@KAMIKAZE Although that does beg the question of how he'd know that. Maybe he remembered about the Power of the Stars?

That talk of Sonic evolving makes me want to see a prehistoric Sonic world where the slow animals who can't run fast enough to pass loops get eaten by dinosaur foxes.

This expanded emerald/ring lore makes me wish the main story would tie back to the Sonic 3 & Knuckles story more. Can still introduce new characters and whatnot, but the rings and emeralds have always been staples of the franchise even if not emphasized as much in the actual plot and it would be nice to dive deeper into how they affect the world around the characters.

Your mention of the lost hex and little planet being floating islands and their connection to the master emerald just awakened something in me. THIS could be the key to fixing sonic’s lore and canon. Imagine the 30th anniversary game we not only get good gameplay, but another grand scale story that “retcons” all the messy stories we’ve had for over 10 years and ties them all together to the games that started this series in the first place that were built around the chaos emeralds. All these out of nowhere worlds and creatures finally making sense when you connect it back to the one thing that’s been consistent in the series, the chaos emeralds. That would be Kishimoto level of writing.

I always figured that the normal rings were the natural shape chaos energy takes on when it clumps together, sort of like how dust usually clumps together into round chunks

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense!

Not sure of this was established in the games, but I’m pretty sure Angel Island floats because of a backlash of Chaos energy created when Tikal sealed Chaos.

Babylon garden is acttually a space ship as far as i'm aware, but Lost Hex could use some backstory

@AAhmou

3 жыл бұрын

Yup Babylonians either integrated the native civilization or were wiped out while tampering for a new energy source (most likely Chaos energy).

@Zakanuva

3 жыл бұрын

From what I understand, the Lost Hex already has some backstory: according to Iizuka, the Lost Hex is supposed to be the leftovers of all of the stuff that the Time Eater dragged into White Space.

@thegsp

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zakanuva Well, it would be nice if we actually learnt that in the game.

I just finished playing Christmas NiGHTS, love it's the first thing I hear in this vid lol

@JamesChessman

3 жыл бұрын

Such a wonderful game, possibly my very favorite game ever

@MagillanicaLouM

3 жыл бұрын

@@JamesChessman one of those ones that just makes you happy. You have fun playing others too, but this is one that invokes joy whether or not you played it as a kid

This man just turned the master emerald into one of the emeralds in a set of hyper emeralds that turn you into ultra sonic because there are more sky islands. I love it.

So, here's the conclusion I've come to after consuming all the information in S2, 3K , Chaotix and Adventure (though, mind you, some of this is conjecture); Angel, Westside and Newtrogic were once an Archipelago where the Echidna tribe lived. They tried to find a way to store and make active use of the Master and Chaos Emeralds' energy, hence they forged rings to serve as vessels. But they didn't get it right immediately. Over and over and over, they made ring after ring, trying to create the perfect vessel with which to command the emeralds' power, hence why so many rings exist in the world (but we'll get to why they're everywhere later). Eventually, they created the Chaos Rings, which were good enough for them to accomplish their goals. But as we know from Adventure, they angered the Chaos, God of Destruction and Guardian spirit of the Master Emerald with how they chose to use its power, and so Chaos wiped them out in a fit of blinding rage after their mistreatment of the Emeralds' power. As punishment, the Gods sunk Newtrogic and threw Angel Island into the sky, intending it to crash to the Earth, but the Master Emerald's power kept it afloat. Six of the Chaos Emeralds were sent by the Gods to South Island, separated from the Seventh, which itself was left of Westside to stop their power from coming together. Angel Island, as part of the old Archipelago, dropped many of the rings created by the Echidnas, spreading them all over the world as it soared across the sky, with the perfected Chaos Rings being sealed underwater in the grave that is the newly sunken Newtrogic. Angel being brought down to Earth by Eggman brought the Master Emerald close enough to the Chaos Rings on Newtrogic to resonate with them, hence pulling Newtrogic up from the sea-bed. And Eggman, having had the chance to explore both angel and Newtrogic, would have learned of the Echidnas' history and, in the form of the Dark Rings, manufactured his own version, made specifically to power his robots, with the Chaos Rings on the Island serving as something of a generator for all of his false rings. Oh, and side note: this is unrelated to Chaotix, but still tangentially related to rings. Silver has ring shaped runes on his body, which suggests that the rings themselves are less important than the form of a ring in serving as a conduit for energy. But since Silver's rings have no physical form, he uses the power not to store energy like Shadow's inhibitors or Super Sonic, but rather he channels the existing energy around him, hence his unique ability of telekinesis. Oh, oh, oh. OTHER side note: Chaos Control, the ability to warp, seems suspiciously similar to how the Giant rings in the classics serve as warp gates to the Special Zone. Make of that what you will, just thought that was interesting.

@lightgivemepower6425

3 жыл бұрын

Love this.

@fnaf2isthegoat75

3 жыл бұрын

This is cool

@Mike14264

2 жыл бұрын

So much interesting potential! But nah, let's make all the games separate from each other, no overarching plot ever since Heroes or so. Not even in mainline games.

What do you think would’ve happened if they just translated the Japanese manual for Knuckles Chaotix? It’d be cool if a Sonic Mania sequel had not only added Amy but also Vector, Espio, and Charmy... maybe also Heavy and Bomb. Also I could definitely see a side quest where you collect the Chaos Rings to power up the Super Emeralds. Also how would you redesign Charmy to not break the game?

@thenumber27issomehowtaken

3 жыл бұрын

Give him only 2 or so of his flight attacks.

@Sovic91

3 жыл бұрын

About the last question. I would keep Charmy's moveset very similar but with one important difference. Those dashes he gets to do in the air. He gets only 3. After that he has to land.

@Sovic91

3 жыл бұрын

@@thenumber27issomehowtaken Opps. Didn't see you reply and as a result I kinda repeated what you said.

@Michael-bb5dd

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sovic91 and @Eat Moneyz, the problem their would be that Charmy could fly indefinitely so long as you don't use up all the dashes. Then again, people would likely use them for quick movement, so that might be circumvented through that.

The Master Emerald being part of a full set was always something I thought they'd reveal at some point, though I also wonder if that's what they have in mind with the Phantom Ruby ah who am I kidding SEGA doesn't care and will probably forget about the Phantom Ruby by the next game

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

More than likely, just another jewel to add to the pile.

@alexaipaw

2 жыл бұрын

Though, I wonder, if the Master Emerald is a part of a full set, and it alone allows robots to go super(no one else has tried) exactly how powerful the form from the full set would be

@Blandy8521

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexaipaw Hyper Sonic most likely

@Mike14264

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blandy8521 nah, definitely more. Like, WAY more. That's how powerful Sonic gets with Super Emeralds, which are just powerful enough to still be controlled by the Master Emerald. A full set of Master Emeralds... well, imagine Hyper Sonic but seven times fold. And that makes me wonder, what's even the origin of these emeralds, both the Chaos ones and the Master one? Did Sonic Adventure expand on that? I honestly can't remember.

Something I want to add here that makes things interesting lore wise. Eggman is looking for these rings because he thinks it can lead him to the Chaos emeralds much like the giant rings on Angel Island. In a later game, 3D Blast, he specifically targets these rings and creatures able of traversing the special stages through them: The Flickies.

My personal head cannon for this game is that the islands inhabitants were originally attempting to create artificial stand ins for the chaos emeralds. They chose to use rings as the vessels to carry that energy because rings are a common substance that already have natural ties to chaos energy. The island was said to have risen from the ocean in one of the translations so I sorta get atlantis vibes, that they played with something they should not have and a disaster sunk the island. However, before that point they did manage to create six ring vessels capable of being energized with the master emerald to become the chaos rings. Interesting again how they only have six, much like the first sonic game only had the first six emeralds.

Chaotix and the Secret Chaos rings

I've always been a fan of merging all the interpretations together, there are good bits in all of them

Shame we never saw them after the game

@chasethemaster3440

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@leonardoalvarenga7572

3 жыл бұрын

They prefer to keep introducing more and more precious metals and gemstones rather than working with what they already have.

@lynxfresh5214

3 жыл бұрын

@@leonardoalvarenga7572 I kinda agree with you; Sega ignored the Master emerald for about a decade in the games, Wisps were initially ment to be more powerful than the chaos emeralds (until it was scrapped at the last minute), the chaos emeralds were conveniently not around in Sonic forces, etc I don't mind expanding the lore of the emeralds (like how they have counterparts known as Sol emeralds and the Chaos emeralds can be amplified to become Super emeralds) but it seems almost every few years there's a new mcguffin getting introduced (wisps, phantom ruby, warp topaz, etc) and it kinda feels "meh" imo.

At last, someone brought up the very cool ideas this game introduced

I never was a fan of chaotix myself but I always find these thoughts rather fascinating and yeah it really hasn't been a logical or any return form of these chaos rings since then. I swear Sega is sitting on so much more and so much history that they can tap into. And not only in Sonic! I appreciate the video as somebody who's working today and I hope everybody has a lovely day

I really do wish they go back to Angel Island and have a new adventure there and explore more about the Emeralds. There is a lot more there. Heck that might be the only way to get the Super Emeralds back.

Babylon Garden holds one of the legendary "Chaos Furniture and General Household Items" (the Chaos Carpet), the rest of which include the Chaos Lounge Chair and the Chaos Wardrobe. These grant the holder many sick skillz such as grinding, flying, and smashing stuff, but only when skating. For real now, there's also the ark of the cosmos in zero gravity, being powerful ring-shaped objects.

Merry Christmas Nick! Also I always called the chaos rings,chaos donuts

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

Well. Now I'm hungry.

@NoNamex1412

3 жыл бұрын

@@GameApologist aight get the jam filled ones. Those are the best imo

Merry Christmas to you all

@snesiocat4033

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Nick over here just pumping quality out in each video

You think about this stuff way too much, and that's just beautiful.

It is very interesting seeing early on metal sonics energy absorption ability and precursor to his metal overload transformation in sonic heroes

There are two many Transformation trinkets and Mystical artifacts in sonic franchise and sega doesnt even capitalize on these ideas which is ridonkelous

0:13 The auto-generated subtitles knowing the word "chaoticsmiss" makes me happier than it should.

Dude, the ideas you end up making through this video (and the info they're founded on that you bring up) are so freaking cool.

Great job explaining this! Aside from the full necessity of the tether, Chaotix now has a great impact on the mainline. I'm rather surprised with what could be canon, but have no real reason to be upset!

My theory is that the emeralds and rings are part of one powerful engagement/wedding ring between divine entities. But when they separated, the GIFTER chose to take the gems, filling them with rage, with chaos. When the GIFTED, lost their love, they never let go, wanting them to come back, and be happy. This hope made the "Holy Rings"

How many different types of rings and gens they’re going to add?

@theminecraft2516

3 жыл бұрын

gens lol

@Help_Im_On_Fire

3 жыл бұрын

A INFINITE amount Okay I'll let myself out

@Rose-zo1oo

3 жыл бұрын

More importantly, when will they add onion rings

@memerman9268

3 жыл бұрын

@@Help_Im_On_Fire forces reference?

@Help_Im_On_Fire

3 жыл бұрын

@@memerman9268 yes

Nice, finally peoole talking about the Chaos Rings and the lore

This video goes into so much detail in ways I never expected. This is such an underrated video, arguably as interesting as your hyper sonic video!

It's crazy to imagine what kind of stories could have been told if Sega cared as much about the story as you do. I mean, you made rings make sense from a lore standpoint. That's insane.

Merry Chaotixmas everyone!

@Help_Im_On_Fire

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the ❤️! Stay safe!

@Sovic91

3 жыл бұрын

Merry ChaotiX-mas to you too!

@Help_Im_On_Fire

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sovic91 Thanks!

Merry Christmas! Good work as always, never thought rings could be so darn interesting but you made them sound so intriguing! Nicely done!

I got to say that this Channel became one of my favorites in KZread! Keep up with the good work! And Merry Christmas from Brazil!

Merry Sonicmas daddy sonic 😊

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

Just seeing how that name changes on every video has become one of my favorite reasons to upload.

the sonic lore is so crazy and complicated and i freaking Love it, it's made me an better researcher and an smarter Person

11:49 "And if done right..." This *is* Sonic Team we're talking about here. As you've laid out too many times to count, there's a ton of rich history in the Sonic franchise that gets outright ignored or redacted, which is such a shame.

@ledetbrothers9210

2 жыл бұрын

Let me correct you. This is *SEGA* we’re talking about here.

Happy Holidays, Nick. Thanks for the amazing video as always.

Merry Christmas Nick and thanks for the vid

I'm currently losing it at the thought of a parallel universe where Knuckles turned Angel Island into a theme park powered by the master emerald XD (Kinda like Dimension 23 in Ben 10, come to think of it)

Merry Chatix-Mas to you too! Knuckles Chaotix is really jam packed if you think about it... Nice to see someone actually open it up!

Merry Christmas to one of my most favorite KZreadrs. Thanks for being here.

This is probably my favorite episode of this entire marathon!

I truly enjoy your amazing work keep going my friend you're truly talented !

Brilliant video as always my friend and happy holidays😊🥰👍💯💕💞💖

Wow this channel is underated keep up the work!

Bob: CRAP, I ACCIDENTALLY PRINTED EVERY MANUAL WITH AN EXTRA PAGE, WHAT DO I DO?????? Jim: Write a story page. Bob: YOU'RE A FUCKING GENIUS! and so they created the story page on the manual.

0:15 I remember back when it was this huge mystery as to whether or not Knuckles had fingers (hey, we didn't have as much to talk about in the 90's), and the answer was right there the whole time back in '95.

I honestly would’ve just combined the stories, which I did! It would still be called carnival island, but it would have some elements from the Japanese Manual and Archie Comic Adaptation. The island would be the location of the ancient ruins of an echidna colony, which an amusement park was built on by Dr. Robotnik and/or Renfield Rodent. All the chaotix came to the island on there own accord.

Merry Chaotixmas to you to Nick,even though where I'm at Christmas is over but still.

Oh boy, idk if you've seen the Sonic Loreposting Twitter, but they take seemingly unconnected and retconned Sonic lore and somehow stitch it together. It's really cool and mindboggling, and somehow makes sense! Your video reminded me of them

Cybershell would have a field day with this stuff

I always found it weird how the non-Chaos Emerald MacGuffins in the Classic games never gave you any super forms when you collected them all: (Time Stones, Chaos Rings, etc.) It’s totally different from the Modern games where they have all sorts of forms:(Burning Blaze, Darkspine, Excalibur).

@Michael-bb5dd

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the World Rings, Sacred Swords, and Sol Emeralds are all the Chaos Emerald equivalents of their respective worlds. Whereas the Time Stones, Chaos Rings, and...I'm pretty sure those are the only non-Chaos Emerald McGuffins actually, are not deigned as such. Little Planet IS still a part of Sonic's World after all, just a constantly time travelling part. Whereas the Chaos Rings just seem to be an unintentional byproduct of the Master Emerald and Special Ring more than anything; you don't exactly see Sonic becoming Super with Fake Emeralds after all.

@mrboerger1620

2 жыл бұрын

@@Michael-bb5dd Kinda makes me wanna create a gimmick with the chaos rings. Not a form but some type of power comes from the chaos rings. What if the rings gave the users some type of mastery over weather, or space distortion or something.

@Michael-bb5dd

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrboerger1620 Different elements maybe?

@Semudara

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrboerger1620 Space distortion would more likely be the domain of the Warp Topaz, which is introduced in the IDW comics.

So much potential to use subtly so many interesting elements to create a richer story. But yeah, it's also really nice how we can create our own headcanons and how well they can fit the elements together

This was really interesting!

I like to imagine the giant rings are biblical angels just because of angel island's name and the fact its one of the few places in sonics world that special stage rings would occur naturally instead of when you collect 50 rings, Newtrogic high also shares this trait.

Good vid!

Merry Christmas, Nick!

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas, Alan!

Toot toot its Chistmas. Merry Christmas!! &Knuckles

You're interrupting my comic reading time. ;) Great video again.

Hooray, I just mentioned you in a comment and you gift us with an Xmas day video! Thank you, Santa Apologist!

Great video

I like to think that Sonic's landscape is a result of the parallel Special Stage dimensions with all its geometric algorithms.

Merry Christmas buddy

Merry Chaotixmas! and a happy Sonidays! ^-^

best Christmas gift

Sonic chronicles explains why angel Island floats

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

I was worried that might be the case, I wish I had played that game again fully...but oh well. thanks for the heads up!

Given the mention of 'Pillar Energy', I think it'd be cool if the Chaos Rings are effectively 'Seals' on the Chaos Emeralds preventing the from becoming the Super Emeralds - storing the excess power away until its truly needed again.

👀 sonic lore I’ve never heard about??

And Merry Christmas.

They should make a new 2 player Shadow and Knux game where it's like the alien doom rip off thing again but it's a little more exploration and you're collecting the chaos rings. Shadow knows who he is now so we can turn the edge down. Knux is the only one who knows where to even start looking and they're the only two capable of maybe wielding them so they set off together while everyone else is trying to hold down the forts everywhere. Every time you enter a new zone of the map there'd be some kind of event you can take part in with a third member of the sonic cast who's got some kind of problem or boss fight and the rest is just exploring and fighting. I like the idea of Shadow and Knux because they're similar enough that you can make them both capable of all the same feats but via different methods. Shadow can hover and run up walls, Knux can glide and climb. They're both capable of punching walls apart. Some might say they're too similar to play off each other well but I disagree. Taking into account the third member always being different it could be funny. Knux, Shadow, and Tails? Tails is definitely gonna get trampled when they're trying to come up with a battle plan.

This video, and going back to my old STC comics recently, has given Chaotix a much deeper feeling for me...

Now I’m reminded of just how painfully oversimplified sonic stories are nowadays; things need to change someday.

I've always felt that Carnival Island was part of Angel Island more specifically part of Carnival Night Zone since the 1st part of Act 2 has a little bit of underwater traversal.

10:50 that’s actually a pretty interesting theory that the Master Emerald isn’t the one of its kind with Little Planet, Lost Hex, e.t.c. I think they started doing something with that but they were too scared to go big and ambitious again and follow up with that

My headcannon for the island name is ‘gold island’ because of the obsession with rings

Are you gonna talk more about Sonic CD?

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

If inspiration hits!

In the codex for angle island in sonic chronicles it actually provides a explanation for why angle island is floating Iquote “The actions of Perfect Chaos resulted in an energy backlash that ripped angle island from the ground causing it to float above what is now Mystic ruins. Though because chronicles is shaky in terms of canon that explaination may not hold much water.

The comic books explored much if not most of this btw. Good vid.

@lightgivemepower6425

3 жыл бұрын

Not canon to the main canon sonic

There’s one problem with the rings powering super forms: they are game mechanics and sonic’s super state has lasted longer than the dumb “50 second duration” so super states last longer than 50 seconds. Sonic once used his super form for about a week.

@lightgivemepower6425

3 жыл бұрын

images.app.goo.gl/7PtN8qc7Je1uadia8 There's always this just in case.

Happy Christmas and Merry Holidays!

wonder how many chaos gems and rings and stuff there are

@GameApologist

3 жыл бұрын

There's an overwhelming amount, especially if you include cartoons, comics, and spin off games.

@RDn_t

3 жыл бұрын

with that in mind im gonna place a bet of about 37