I own all 3 types. Break a chain,repair and keep going. Break a belt not as easy a fix, but still not bad. Break the shaft drive and you're in for a long fix. It's rare but does happen. And it's the most expensive fix of the 3.

@yuvaraj1386

2 жыл бұрын

How to earn money easily

@xXZomBearXx

2 жыл бұрын

Or spend money easily.....

@gazza595

Жыл бұрын

Not entirely accurate, I have bikes with all three systems and have had failures of all three over the 50 plus years I've been riding. If a shaft drive fails it's expensive and inconvenient but usually nothing more. If a belt fails it's again a nuisance but costs very little to fix. If a chain fails you can SOMETIMES get away with a road side fix but I've had other instances on high performance bikes where the chain has parted and entered the engine completely destroying the primary drive. I've never had that level of damage from a belt or shaft.

@MrSamyie

Жыл бұрын

Just had to replace the axle on my r1200gs it failed after 95k km so it went a while but i did it myself and just the parts already cost €750 :(

@txrick4879

Жыл бұрын

The shaft drive also jack up when you hit this the gas . Something sport riders don't like .

Always shaft driven for me ... Zero maintenance needed. Love it.

@josephschultz

3 сағат бұрын

I love the Shaft Drive but not the bike lift up under Acceleration, unless they got it fixed only dealt with older systems early 80s

I have owned all 3. No checking belts for cracks, or oiling chains and buying new ones, the shaft drive is perfect.

@alexchristian5399

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no I spend 30 seconds looking at a belt while I change my oil and do proper maintenance on my motorcycle every other ride 🤦‍♂️. They aren’t cars they are much more needy. If it’s to much of a hassle to check it every now and then why even own one

@KoaGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexchristian5399 Lol my Goldwing has a longer oil change interval than my pickup. It is up to the rider to choose what kind of bike they want. I like to explore and go to distant places so the Goldwing made a lot of sense just so happens that it doesn't require me to check or change something every time I want to mount it. So stop being some elitist that is telling someone to not own a motorcycle for saying they prefer to have shaft drive because it is one less thing to check.

@alexchristian5399

2 жыл бұрын

@@KoaGuy lol I said it was unrealistic to expect a motorcycle to be easy to maintain. And you are flat out wrong. Not everyone has 30k to drop on a motorcycle like the fucking gold wing. I’m not trying to gate keep I’m calling it moronic to buy a motorcycle and then complain about having to do maintenance

@KoaGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexchristian5399 But that's the thing no one here is complaining about doing maintenance. This guy choose to have a shaft driven bike because he doesn't have to deal with checking a chain or belt. It's their choice to choose the ride they want. What's unrealistic is someone who would buy a motorcycle based off your opinion. You are gate keeping. So don't back track and also not everyone is buying a brand new loaded Goldwing many are used and in great condition for cheap, and many buy used.

@Surpriseify

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexchristian5399 what is your malfunction lol? OP litterally just stated that the shaft drive is perfect for him based on the fact that it is the most "low maintenance" solution. How do you get worked up by such a comment??

"Totally maintenance free" Shows a video of oil change.

@mjbaes7100

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah.. hahah

@AshuSingh-nu3vx

2 жыл бұрын

Oil cost 10k

@user-nc3iz7hv7e

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@glow9999

2 жыл бұрын

That oil cost less than $6 for a quart and it’ll last 3-5 years depending of how much oil you need and how frequent you change the oil. Btw, to change it, you just drain it from plug and fill (3~6ounces?). This is as cheap maintenance as anything goes. I changed my oil at 6000 miles (roughly 3-4 years). Bought a new quart. You could probably ride it longer as no contamination gets in there or use synthetic oil to last longer.

@khan.hassan

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah 🤣

As someone who rides a 1984 Honda VF700C with a shaft drive, I can fully say. They are nice since I don't have to worry about maintenance as much.

@78gbody

2 жыл бұрын

84 1100 and that is one of the best parts of a magna and is quite and smooth

@Shawn_the_Protogen

2 жыл бұрын

@@78gbody they are a beauty when you treat them nicely, hamfist the throttle like a newb and they will show you a different personality.

@78gbody

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shawn_the_Protogen very true words. and there alot of bike for how they act

@murray8958

2 жыл бұрын

84 magna was my first bike! Loved that bike, kinda wish I still had it. The only thing I changed on it was the handle bars and I rode the shot out of it!

@Shawn_the_Protogen

2 жыл бұрын

@@murray8958 that was my major upgrade I did when I retrofitted mine. I put ATV bars on mine then proceeded to swap out all the lights with new LEDs for safety, including adding some.

As a Honda NTV driver, I can say that nothing beats a HQ shaft-drive system. Reliable, robust and always clean 👍

Shaft drive system is totally maintenance free while showing the oil being changed on one.

@alanwatts8239

2 жыл бұрын

Regular maintenance is actually mandatory on them, if you don't maintain it you're gonna have problems. VFR 1200 taught me all i needed to know about this system.

@freebehindbars8654

2 жыл бұрын

They said chain drive power loss is only 1-4%, when 10% is the average. Definitely non English speaker produced video.

@trustnobody2651

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe

@omnipotent87

2 жыл бұрын

@@freebehindbars8654 A spiral bevel gear is a really high efficiency at around 98% as well.

@freebehindbars8654

2 жыл бұрын

@@omnipotent87 Not true. Shaft drives take the force a complete 90 degrees, even with the best gear design it falls short of what a chain provides in efficiency. Common knowledge.

Missed belt vs chain trade off: while a belt is more expensive itself to replace, during catastrophic failure a belt will simply zip away with the rider only noticing a complete loss of power transmission, while a chain can both jam between the sprocket and swing arm instantly locking the rear wheel and can also be flung forward into the transmission/engine/drive sprocket requiring a complete rebuild or engine/transmission replacement. This is an important difference as how a system operates at its limits and at failure can have lethal consequences. I’ve personally seen all three modes of failure, and had both a locked rear wheel in a turn from a broken chain and a lost belt at highway speed. While a chain can simply fall away if it breaks in the right location every instance I’ve seen has resulted in a high speed projectile thrown either behind the bike or into some portion of it (or getting jammed between a sprocket and swingarm). A shaft drive, on the other hand, only fails catastrophically when the front u-joint disconnects and if the design is otherwise unsupported it becomes an ersatz pole vault flinging the entire rear of the bike into the air, much like a disconnected drive shaft can do on an automobile. While this essentially only occurs due to direct damage it is still a more dangerous failure mode than a belt.

@johnadams3038

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't you watch the video, belt has high transferred power loss and chain has very little transferred power loss

@robertkb64

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnadams3038 Sorry John, I’m not following your point. It’s accurate to say that when both are in good condition then chains have less wasted energy, but I’m not seeing how that’s germane to their catastrophic failure modes. Can you close that loop for me so I can understand what you’re getting at? Thanks.

@andychow5509

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnadams3038 That's actually no longer true except at low power. Belts have gotten a lot better over time, and their friction loss is near constant. Belts however have frictional losses that increase as speed increases. So at a low output, a chain may have a 1.5% frictional loss, while the belt would be 3%. But at a high output, the chain might be 3%, and the belt will be 3%. I can send you links to actual data. Anyway the 6-9% losses of belts are numbers from the 80s, belts made a lot of progress in the last 20 years and are pretty much on par with chains in terms of power losses when actually riding.

@johnadams3038

2 жыл бұрын

@@andychow5509 It should be true because majority of bikes and all super sport bikes utilize chain drive. So there has to be a reason.

@BCGray10x

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnadams3038 Yea the reason is simple I want a hog the same as my grandads hog. Cogged belts are far superior if you look at all the latest research and not the 1980s crap this computer voice is spewing.....Mmmmm can silicon chips spew?

As long as you ensure it's properly adjusted every once in a blue moon, a belt is a lifetime part. Really, the price difference is not an issue for most riders because they will never have to buy one. Of the handful of belts I've installed for my customers, one was damaged by gravel and the others weren't aligned properly, never seen one just wear out. Chains were a daily thing, also saw quite a few engine cases broken by broken chains and countershaft seals and bearings ruined by worn out chains with tight spots. In fact, I believe I've repaired more bikes that were broken by their chains than I've replaced belts. For what it's worth.

@11235but

2 күн бұрын

Given the vast majority of bikes are chain driven you’d expect to repair mostly chain drives.

I prefer the shaft system despite its cost and its higher weight because it is the most reliable and the most robust and its requires a a clean and minimum maintenance. I have it on my Honda VFR 1200 and I am able to compare it with the chain drive present on my previous VFR 800. Very nice video with a relevant analysis of the characteristics of each transmission system. Many thanks.

@LoneliestDog

2 жыл бұрын

Question how about those closed chain system thingy like in the honda super cub ?

@STohme

2 жыл бұрын

@@LoneliestDog I am not familiar with such transmission system which appears to be more or less appropriate for smaller engine than the engine implemented within the VFR 800 which is a sport bike. As it is well analysed in this video, the chain transmission system remains the most appropriate to sport bikes with high performance engine, but of course the system requires an appropriate maintenance and a regular cleaning.

@jseden

2 жыл бұрын

@@LoneliestDog it’s still a chain, just has a cover. I agree with shaft being king. I’m happy to sacrifice a little efficiency for the reliability. My daily driver still has a chain, but my old gl1100 has a shaft.

@mymadness299

2 жыл бұрын

F*** I love when people get on here that know nothing about Motorcycles all mechanical friction or Power lost through drivetrain and stayed there bike completely goes against the laws of physics and is different every other bike because I can tell you right now shaft drive is nothing but problems noise and expense belt drive is a nice and quiet minimal power loss through drivetrain and at the very top of the list the chain drive is the best system or is wiping the f****** thing over with an oily rag too much maintenance for you

@jseden

2 жыл бұрын

@@mymadness299 the shaft on my 75k mile goldwing is absolutely fine.. no noise, no leaks, no problems. I do not care about the efficiency loss and upkeep doesn’t bother me.. it’s about reliability for me. Aside from the occasional lube, the shaft is just gonna keep going. I could set off on a cross country trip tomorrow and never think about, or deal with the failure that may occur with a chain. Chains last for a while.. 15k on my daily driver but it’s also getting a little tired and ive got another ready to go. Your opinions don’t invalidate other’s

I've never done belt drives, just the chain and shaft. And the shaft wins it for me.

I had a 1984 Honda V65 Sabre shaft drive. Changing 5 fluid ounces of 90 weight gear oil was yearly maintenance. It took hard beatings and high mph. My bike was A FAST ACCELERATING ROCKET.

@arturama8581

2 жыл бұрын

The Sabre a 'rocket'? In it's time and in your memory. But saying that in 2021?

@randomvideoschannel351

2 жыл бұрын

He did say it was, not that it is in this day

@No-timeforimbeciles

Жыл бұрын

@@arturama8581 In 1986, at Baylands race track, Jay Gleason on a standard 1200 Vmax got a standing 1/4 mile in 9 secs, the V65 was not far behind that, not alot of progress has been made in the years between on standard production bikes

I have lubed and cleaned my 1st bike's chain regularly, and replaced the chain/sporket set at 15.000km. I have rarely lubed my second bike's chain and nearly never cleaned. Again replaced the set at 15.000 km. Finally I switched to shaft drive. Despite the losses of power in transmission, I love its being maintenance free.

Shaft drive system rocks despite having some power loss.

@MrMannyhw

2 жыл бұрын

Shaft for reliability.

If you want consistent acceleration then the drive shaft is the way to go. If you want more power then a chain is better, but it does not behave the same each time you accelerate. Chains are more fun and less predictable than drive shafts.

@TheEngineersPost

2 жыл бұрын

You are right

@TravisBerthelot

2 жыл бұрын

@Ziggy Zig Yes I can tell the difference between the two.

@TravisBerthelot

2 жыл бұрын

@Ziggy Zig Maybe the dyno is not sensitive enough to notice. My FZR 600 and FZ-09 chain bikes both have less consistent acceleration than my vStar 650 had which has a drive shaft. Maybe the tire quality is the actual cause. The Z rated tires on the 2 crotch rockets might allow for more tire spin.

@nunu4692

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@insolator1775

2 жыл бұрын

@Ziggy Zig A good bike rider can tell the diff between a cold chain and a warmed up one.

I grew up on chain drives, but eventually got tired of the constant maintenance required, and switched to shaft drive. I'll never go back to chain. A chain is a piece of precision machinery, like a gearbox. If I suggested that a biker should remove the cover from his gearbox, let the oil run out, and then use the motorcycle, I'd be regarded as crazy! Yet that is exactly the situation with most motorcycle chains. There are a very few motorcycles that have a fully enclosed chain, that runs in an oil bath, like a gearbox. That is sanity! Some years ago, I did a 21,000 mile, 45 state, tour of the USA, and chose a shaft drive Honda, ST1100 to do it with. Not one problem during the whole tour! I hate to think what the difference would have been with a chain drive. .

@SophiepTran

2 жыл бұрын

Most newer motorcycle chains nowadays are sealed. The lubricant is kept enclosed by o rings and don't need external lubrication. If used properly they will last the full useful life of the chain. Just don't use harsh solvents that could interfere with the rings. I love my old shaft drive cx500 but my newer cbr500 can run circles around it. Chains now are not like those of yesteryear. They require less maintenance and adjustment due to better engineering. A quick check before you go and you're off.

@niklar55

2 жыл бұрын

@@SophiepTran The connection between the chain and the sprocket is still going to get drenched in water, salt and grit in winter, and dust/sand in summer. So, it's still a lousy engineering solution, for just a little bit of extra speed, which will probably be very rarely used.

@SophiepTran

2 жыл бұрын

@@niklar55 Sure it will. But that's besides the argument. We were talking about the lubrication aspect of drive systems.

@niklar55

2 жыл бұрын

@@SophiepTran The chain and the sprocket IS part of the drive system, and salt, grit and water will cause premature wear and failure. So, its bad engineering. .

@superphonixlp4152

2 жыл бұрын

@@niklar55 I still love my 88 cbr600

One HUGE difference ( covered by a couple others but not the author ) between chain and shaft for sport riding : While leaning into a turn and applying moderate throttle a chain driven bike will tend to "SQUAT" at the rear due to the physics of the top of the chain pulling force on the top of the rear sprocket ... which, in turn, compresses the rear shock ... which, in turn, lowers the center of gravity mid-turn. Not the case on a shaft driven bike. The physics of the ring & pinion gearset ( at the rear wheel ) demands the pinion gear is attempting to climb UPWARDS on the ring gear ... which, in turn, makes the bike RISE AT THE REAR. It's a strange feeling if you are used to feeling a SQUAT and get a RISE when you apply a heap of throttle. But it's just physics.

@readmore3634

2 жыл бұрын

I also noticed right away that a belt driven has no buffer between acceleration and down throttle....in other words....(on a 1000cc touring bike), when I accelerated quickly and then suddenly decelerated the rear tire "chirped"......not good at ALL during cornering.

@robertgutheridge9672

2 жыл бұрын

I agree as my Ducati is a chain drive and my BMWR1100RT is shaft I ride 1 of the two at least 6 days a week .the shaft drive is easier to get to clean into a right hand corner than left due to the rotation of the drive shaft

@imkidkenzodattstonner6044

2 жыл бұрын

Ma man! You really know ur story SALUTE🖖

@grampagoldie9325

2 жыл бұрын

Im happy to see this comment. My dad told me this and kinda blew my mind, Im just getting into motor cycles and understanding this made me realize just how much every part matters. And how much they can effect the quality and comfort of a ride.

@michaelconran5252

2 жыл бұрын

All 3 have their place. On my Harley, love the longevity of the belt. I put on way to many miles for a chain. On my KTM dual sport, obviously a chain. I have 2 sets of wheels with different sprockets and a chain for each set. I am not putting 15-20k miles on my KTM, so longevity is not a concern. Fine tuning the gearing by changing the front and rear sprockets is. Never owned a shaft driven bike, only have a few miles on a couple of them.

I've been watching vids like this, I think my next bike might be a shaftie. This vid did nothing to discourage me.

@baskaransathya5022

2 жыл бұрын

Frouuo

There's an automatic chain oiler kit available, manufactured in the UK. Kit consists of an oiler resiviour with flow rate adjuster, drip feeds oil onto chain via tiny tube. Keeps chain 100% clean, no oil spray onto back rim/tire. No more cleaning/lubricating chain. Highly recommended chain drive. 🖐🇦🇺

@Sanjuthiya

2 жыл бұрын

Buying link pls

@jhoughjr1

2 жыл бұрын

Now you are just dripping oil all the time, everywhere you go.

@jamtin3977

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhoughjr1 ignoramus.

@yashsvidixit7169

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamtin3977 a useful word indeed in current times.

All 3 designs have a specific purpose and type of motorcycle they are generally used for. I've experienced all of the different final drive types. For me, cruising the open highways I love my shaft drive. Reliable, very easy maint. and I'm on a larger V-Twin cruiser, so a little loss of power at the rear wheel really isn't that noticeable. It's not a sport or super sport.

@Davesworld7

Жыл бұрын

The power loss claimed is not likely, a car barely has that much loss. That tiny shaft and very few gears would be under 10% loss and not that much higher than either a belt or chain, maybe 5% difference.

Fails to mention the cvt belt drives on the majority of scooters. Totally different to the toothed belt system. Very simple and low maintenance. Also, I have a Yamaha Townmate T80. 80ccs and shaft drive. It's brilliant.

@jhoughjr1

2 жыл бұрын

I have an Icebear Rocket 50cc that has the belt driven cvt. They don't seem to break often, and if they do its cheap to replace. Also easy enough to DIY. I suppose the performance in scooters is helped with it being more enclosed.

@manalonjephte4605

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhoughjr1 it is

Having owned and ridden all 3 over the past 46 years, shaft wins hands down, unless it's a dirt bike (or a BMW) My bought new 2002 Kawasaki Vulcan 750 has 119K miles on it and the shaft drive has never caused any problems. Just change the oil in it once in a while. Shaft drive bikes also have a HUGE advantage when it comes to rear wheel alignment. The wheel can only go on one way, so there is no alignment to deal with, and nothing ever needs to be adjusted. It is sealed and protected from dirt, water, mud, whatever you ride through. Sadly shaft drives are so expensive you don't see many of them anymore, manufacturers are cutting corners to save money. The next best thing is an O or X ring chain. They last a long time, and don't need to be lubricated or adjusted nearly as often as old school chains, they are easy to work on, and you can usually change the gearing by replacing sprockets. The last and by far the worst is belt drive. I have a belt drive Harley, and after trying for three days to get both the belt tension set right AND the rear wheel aligned, I gave up and took it to a local independent Harley shop (NOT a dealer) They told me it takes TWO people to do it right. And while a chain will tolerate a slight amount of rear wheel misalignment, a belt will not. It has no sideways flex, and the slightest amount of misalignment will grind it up. There is also the problem of getting a small rock or piece of gravel between the pulley and belt. That is usually no big deal with a chain, the steel chain and sprocket will simply crush it. But with a belt drive, it can destroy both the belt and pulley. I am planning on doing a chain drive conversion on my Harley. Belt drive SUCKS.

@duongto1252

2 жыл бұрын

Single sided swingarm with chain could be good then

@5855brot

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with you that shaft drive on a powerful enough bike is best. Did you have bad experience with BMW shaft drive? As a BMW mechanic I only see very rare occasions of a worn out drive shaft driven bike.

@robertkb64

2 жыл бұрын

FYI - you do NOT need 2 people to align and tension a belt, but (and you already knew this was coming) you do need the bike held upright on either a center stand (which Harleys only ever have as aftermarket items, and that rarely) or an appropriate lift. Note that you don’t need the bike in the air - a full size lift with handlebar tie downs and a wheel chock works fine so long as the bike is in neutral. While I’ve never seriously ridden a shaft drive (though I came really close to buying one a decade ago), I have just over 70k miles on my ZX6 (chain, almost instantly converted to an x-ring) and am about to top 100k miles on my Harley (belt) a major difference to me has always been the feel. Because the belt stretches ever so slightly it takes some of the jerkiness away (though in fairness that could also be the rubber dampeners Harley puts between the driven pulley and the wheel itself). In a cruiser or touring bike this is a huge benefit as it allows you to simply glide around relying on the engine torque to see you through, while you’d downshift on a sport bike to do the same. For those who don’t ride both: on a sport bike if you don’t stay in its power band you effectively have no power, and lugging the engine results in you slowing down as you aren’t generating enough power to keep moving, while on a large touring bike you can indeed lug the engine as it still has sufficient torque even at low rpm’s to generate the power needed to accelerate. For the easiest comparison: try accelerating from a stop in 3rd gear or higher - any big twin Harley can do this without stalling, while essentially no sport bike can (exception: liter bikes and up, and only by revving the engine and dropping the clutch) - these machines are just designed for completely different purposes.

@geraldscott4302

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertkb64 I was unable to get the belt tension adjusted and the rear wheel lined up at the same time because the axle nut has to be loose to adjust the belt tension. When I got the belt tension right (and yes I have the H-D tension 10 pound tension gauge) the wheel was out of alignment (I also have the Motion Pro alignment tool that checks the distance between the dimple in the swing arm pivot and the rear axle) After getting the wheel back in alignment, the belt tension was off. I went back and forth several times and finally gave up. I don't have a lift, or room for one. I have never seen a Harley with a centerstand. But I have never had any problem adjusting a chain while keeping the wheel in alignment on bikes without centerstands.

@graikonungr7502

2 жыл бұрын

The boxer engine in my BMW R nineT is phenomenal. Fast, torquey, and smooooth.

You didn't mention that shaft drive usually, or always, allows the entire wheel to be removed, without interfering with the drive & suspension.

My last Goldwing had over 287,000 miles before I sold it. I have owned three Goldwings. Two-up pulling an N-Line trailer for much of those miles...much of my life. Properly maintained drive shafts last forever.

I much prefer chain drive generally speaking because of the flexibility to easily change sprockets. Also, with a centerstand (such as on my ZX-11), lubing the chain is easy (especially with the chain guard off). Chains also look very cool and can be downsized to shave weight. Pretty impressive how something that has to handle the full power of the bike only weighs a few pounds.

For me, it's shaft drive for the win. I own a BMW which is my second one without any problems.

@Acejustforalaugh

2 жыл бұрын

BMW has the best shaft system !

An additional advantage of chain / belt drive is that it cushions shock loading from the engine / transmission during hard acceleration.

Rather informative. I find it interesting that this video kinda leads you to decide what pros and cons you want to really go with.

Honda 750 was so popular in the '70's, a company made a kit to enclose the final drive. Had rubber belows flex for up n downs. Oil in, dirt out. Nice long chain n sprocket life. Harley did the same thing back in the old days. Seems they always leaked and the styling experts didn't like it, but the idea is sound.

The power loss for a shaft drive is closer to 7% than "20 to 25 % of the power". Belt drives are adversely effected by rocks, sand and gravel and are ONLY recommended for paved roads. The regular maintainance for shaft drived is oil changes, for roller chain it replacment of chain and sprockets the time between replacment can vary 3:1 depending on road, of off-road use.

@r.i.p2464

2 жыл бұрын

I have a belt thats more than 20 years old now and i never touched nor maintained it and its got close to 150k miles. In my opinion if you're a cruiser guy mostly on paved roads, belt is the best. For adventure guys the best is shaft or chain. For performance ofcourse chain. My belt also had 20k plus miles off road experience and it never let me down. Oh and i turned my bike into a bobber the moment i acquired it so it doesn't have a belt guard to protect it from rocks. I swear for the past 20 years I've been using that bike i never touched it nor worry about it. The only time i had to touch it was when changing tires for final adjustment thats it! Fuckin real maintenance free compared to my other bike with a chain.

@kenwittlief255

2 жыл бұрын

the power loss for a chain is 99% when the chain starts jumping teeth and 100% when the chain breaks Unless you are riding with the throttle WFO ALL THE TIME what do you care about power loss?! Cant afford gasoline for your MC?!

@johndavidwolf4239

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenwittlief255 : If your range on a tank is say 200 miles, a 5% power loss is 10 miles, or a 3 hour walk if you run out of gas.

@sn0wchyld

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenwittlief255 power loss means power loss... so you're slower than the next guy with less power loss... no biggie for cruising around other than range/fuel cost but when performance is of concern, it starts to matter.

@geraldmoore6257

Жыл бұрын

I could not believe the "20 to 25%" claim. That would be a huge amount of power converted to heat loss. If you held your brake to rub off a quarter of the power generated, it wouldn't take long for the brake rotor to glow red hot. I've never noticed a drive shaft get hot. If you lost 25% of power, why, you'd need a radiator just for the drive shaft. I'll wager those numbers correspond to maximum torque or full throttle. A Goldwing cruising the interstate at steady state might be as low as 1% loss. That's my guess, I'm willing to be educated as I don't know.

All info I knew little about and am now more educated and am thankful for have been enlightened.

sure miss my 83 Gold Wing and it's shaft drive !! Vulcan 2000 is a fine bike, but that belt has been replaced three times already

I've owned bikes with chain drive, and with shaft drive. I agree that each system, under the right conditions, provides reliable power delivery. For the open road, my shaft drive Concours, for off road fun, my chain drive DRZ 400.

@robertgutheridge9672

2 жыл бұрын

I have been riding for over 35 years and motocross raced for 20 of it . I totally agree . My BMWR1100RT is shaft and love it. But my Cagiva elephant is chain drive . I just don't think a shaft drive would do well in a off road environment.

@robertgutheridge9672

2 жыл бұрын

@@powertothebauer296 yes the BMW Paris to Dakar was a shaft drive. But I suspect that they ran higher than normal grade ujoints in it as well as sealing everything up very well. But what would concern me would be the long term effects of sand and water getting to the drive line and the rubber in between the inner and outer drive shafts deteriorating and having a drive shaft failure.

Thank you so much for explaining the three drive systems. Although, I was aware about the chain drive and belt drive system. Shaft drive was altogether a new piece of technology for me! 🏍️

@jameslester4474

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, My Two Honda VT500C Shadows form 1984 were Shaft Drive, and oh boy were those nice Bikes.

When you say "Sprockets" I totally love it

I've had mostly chain driven bikes, but two that had belts, a Kawasaki Z20 Scorpion and a Harley 883 Sportster. Belt drive is the way to go, no mess, quiet and no maintenance. The chain came off a Honda NSF125 I was riding and locked up the rear wheel when it got jammed between the wheel and the swingarm. I had to be recovered by the AA. I knew a man who lost a couple of toes on his left foot, when his chain came off, whereas when the belt came off my Scorpion (under full acceleration from a standstill - I was showing off to some girls), it simply flew out the back onto the road, leaving me slightly embarrassed, but unhurt. Some bicycles even use belts now.

That’s a point- I had a Suzuki 850 shaft drive for a few months in 1990 and I never did look into how the drive worked or how to service it. Then I moved to the US. After a year or so in the States my mother sent me a form from the UK Department of Transport- they wanted tax monies for my bike….which I had sold before leaving. The registration is cut into two when the vehicle is sold- the seller sends in one part, the buyer send the other part. I sent my part, they dint send their’s. We never had any Hell’s Angels in our area but we has….THE SCORPIONS. Hey, cash money, legal transaction, I’m off to America. Nice machine, bog-standard, could go 100mph all day, even with the #2 spark plug barely hanging on in there. Some fool before me had tried to force in the wrong size plug or something.

Very nice to use shaft drive, its very comfortable on me drive a motorcycle in a long distance travel.

My first bike was a 1984 Honda magna and I own a 1998 Suzuki intruder VL1500 now. Both are shaft drive bikes. I absolutely love it! I wouldn't buy a bike without it! Very little maintenance.

Have them all. Depends on needs. Of all three if I had to pick only one, shaft drive. Though different applications are best for different set ups. My ADV Yamaha Super Tenere that sees mainly interstate touring and foul weather commuting shaft drive rocks. No fiddling or time wasted lubing and adjusting while touring and not affected by weather and offroad. Occasional oil changes only and sure simplifies tire changes. Belt drive on my Harleys is nice on my Streetglide and Dyna. No maintenance and cleaning, though a hassle to replace em when you have to with pulling entire rear apart. Chains on my Hayabusa and KTM is great for those applications. Hold up well to big HP and shock. Lighter weight and easy to change gearing.

You know, these guys are leaving out the option of using a hydraulic pump and motor. The nice thing about hydraulics is that you have a bypass valve, which serves as the transmission.

@amaljerry5373

2 жыл бұрын

has it actually ever implemented into production vehicle? i have seen a cycle but never a motor bike with this tbh

@AaaBbb-ff1pn

2 жыл бұрын

i think it's the same principle of torque converter automatic gearbox. the drawback is the loss of efficiency due to liquid medium.

@seppukun208

2 жыл бұрын

A Hydraulic system would have an efficiency of probably 5% and be slow as fuck

@doughoffman9463

5 ай бұрын

@@amaljerry5373 Yes. Check Honda DN (Human Friendly Transmission). No longer in production but good used DNs can be found.

In other words, in term of cost and performance, chain drive is the best. Maintenance is SOP on everything you own.

@germanborgesxrt

2 жыл бұрын

The video doesn't says that chain suffer from elongations.

Been riding 25 years & had 3 bikes. 1st bike: chain, 2nd bike: belt, current bike: shaft. Favorite? All good as long as you get out there and ride the thing.

My first motorcycle was a Yamaha 400cc I bought new in 1980. It had about 30,000 miles on it before it was stolen in 1983. My next bike was an 85 Honda 650 Nighthawk with shaft drive. I had it for a short period of time and sold it back to the dealer because of what I described as a centrifugal effect. When I would ride straight, the handlebars felt like they were rolling in my hands and when I would lean down into a turn, it felt like the bike was trying to upright itself. I could only think it was caused because the wheels and engine were turning one rotational direction and the shaft was turning 90 degrees from them.

@BaconSpaceProgram

2 жыл бұрын

Thats interesting, it might be the shaft torque adding another source of gyroscopic force. Does it feel like leaning to one side is easier than the other? The self righting when leaning could be due to suspension geometry too. Had a Yamaha two stroke racing moped that does that but only at extreme lean angles, it was hilarious fun to scrape the pegs and recover safely every time.

@attheveryend

10 ай бұрын

probably more to do with the center of mass and precise geometry of the bike governing its stability rather than the drive shaft. Driveshaft is really really low moment of inertia compared to the wheels. The same bike with a chain would probably still annoy you exactly the same amount.

Some other things to consider is unsprung weight and the shaft drive adds negatively in this regard. Also you have to control the shaft tendency to lift the rear suspension on hard acceleration can be spooky on a curve or cornering. You do this by springing it stiffer /rough ride Shaft drive does need a special grease not totally maintenance free. I've had all three types of drives and IMO non really stand above the rest as far as overall performance .My rides over the years, Triumph Rocket3 and Goldwing are shaft and around 5 other Hondas with chain . Harley Superglide with belt ....was leery of a belt drive but it has 30,000 miles on the same belt. very quiet drive/clean light weight Chains can handle more power than a belt but they are messy and stretch and wear out. Noisy/messy /heavier than belt Shaft are strongest but heaviest and with high power motors need a stiffer suspension . Rough ride/handling quirks with suspension loading and unloading.

@TheBlabla1996

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I thougth the same about belt drive aswell, until i got a harley sportster, its way cleaner then a chain, but not as clouchy as a driveshaft, best of both in my opinion

@joelombardi5235

2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't tell you what the hell you're talkin about because everytime I twist the throttle on my shaft drive Honda all I see are people in my mirrors chains rubber bands belts whatever you want to call them they're all outdated yesterday's bullshit

@TheBlabla1996

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelombardi5235 It's not only about speed, the way torque gets tranferred through the driveline just feels smooth with belt drive, the reason electric bikes also have this because it is quiter then a chain. That being sad, chain wil put any drive shaft of equal power in the mirror, why? because a shaft drive has a lower power transfer efficiency then a chain, even lower than a belt drive. I had an old yamaha dragstar, maybe newer ones have improved, the fact is you NEED play in you splines, which maybe causes the clunky feeling when riding

@kadrikarakoc807

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelombardi5235 Maybe they didn't twist throttle as you did or just your bike more powerfull regardless off drivetrain system? your comment feels cringy ana fanboyish. And video literally said, shaft lose %22-25 power.

@scooter2099

Жыл бұрын

"Some other things to consider is unsprung weight and the shaft drive adds negatively in this regard." - true, but what's not being said is in the new bikes (K series Beemers etc.) the shaft is also the integral swing-arm, and also being alloy, the weight differential isn't as extreme as many like to think.

Shaft drives often tend to engine break harder than chain/belt due the higher loss in transmission, so going off the gas in a low gear in corners is a no go.

@Legi0n21

2 жыл бұрын

not my experience they brake as hard as the cylinders compression allows it but then that's why you have a clutch: to adapt the engine acceleration or braking to your needs

@lassechristmann2647

2 жыл бұрын

@@Legi0n21 I agree - just saying the the friktion is lager so going of the gas in 3rd in a roundabout can cause skidding which I doesn't experience on chaindrives

@Legi0n21

2 жыл бұрын

@@lassechristmann2647 have you experienced such a skid? I haven't. Not after relenting on the throttle. but then again, I use the wet clutch to adjust the torque to my desire so perhaps I didn't do it the way you think of it. Releasing the clutch swiftly after downshifting with the throttle all the way down on slippery pavement could in theory do what you say and I don't disagree that some people may do that but that's just bad form. Engine braking is not that powerful. Most often it revs the engine rather than lock the wheel.

@jhoughjr1

2 жыл бұрын

@@lassechristmann2647 Id think its not the friction but the inertia in the heavy shaft.

@jhoughjr1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Legi0n21 I wouldn't expect engine breaking to lock a wheel

I was just talking about this yesterday ! Wow was I wrong !! Great video , thanks for explanation !

I have a Honda VFR1200F....shaft drive but you really can't tell. Love it

I've had at least one of each, and my PERSONAL PREFERENCE is for shaft, with belt drive running a very close second, and drive shaft being a set-and-forget proposition, which I quite like. I'm a laid-back cruiser kind of rider, not a sport biker.

@GautamKumarGoswami

2 жыл бұрын

Well said Seth Tyrssen - me too with my Honda Goldwing! Very much enjoying & very much cherishing indeed! Love life with my HGW! Best wishes!

Wow, never new shaft drives waste 25% of power (sounds high) and belts 10%. Clearly, chain is the winner re performance and cost, but you pay for the maintenance, but its not bad if its a road bike.

@Team-fabulous

2 жыл бұрын

His figures are over the top

@stanislausbrown8626

2 жыл бұрын

Chains also have the disadvantage of stretching under load. A loose chain can cause the bike to fish-tail, so having it properly tensioned is important. The chain's pressure on the back axle can pull the back wheel put of alignment, disturbing the handling of the bike. With a shaft drive (or a CVT) misalignment is eliminated, so "technically" those alternatives are "safer". Shaft drives tend to cause the back of the bike to rise under power, while chains cause the back end to drop. You can see this effect on drag bikes where the tyres are actually distorted by the power. Bikes also have the tendency for the front end to dip under heavy braking, so having a shaft drive bike can have an effect like a see-saw if ridden aggressively. BMW has a special front end setup to counter this.

@arunvignesh7015

2 жыл бұрын

@@stanislausbrown8626 And say a rag gets spun around the wheel locking the rear wheel up, what happens with the rear wheel? Can it slip with the shaft drive to save the the biker?

@thechumpsbeendumped.7797

2 жыл бұрын

@@arunvignesh7015 The shaft drive mechanism is all enclosed so a rag can’t get wrapped around the sprocket.

@arunvignesh7015

2 жыл бұрын

@@thechumpsbeendumped.7797 Still connected to the wheel I hope?

From a bmw techie that has worked on a few hundreds of all three drive systems. Im just answering the title. Each one of the three have their own unique advantage over the other because each one is better suited for a specific task so you cannot. Easiest example of one would be the most powerful sports bikes will always have a chain because the other two options just arnt viable and will break. (oh and offroad bikes go here to) The shaft drive is usually used for heavy weight comfort, thats right, all the adventure bikes were never made to do the offroading that people think they can do and then break. The belt is just cheap, and its best suited for light weight comfort bikes, thats right harley, it was never going to last and didnt.

great video man :)

I really miss oiling my chain, said no belt drive or shaft drive owner ever. 👍

@glow9999

2 жыл бұрын

No, I haven’t heard that from any belt or shaft drive owner, BUT have heard from chain drive owners, “Damn, I have to clean and oil the chain and adjust the chain before I go on the ride.”

This is such a good explanation video! thank you. I didn't even realize there were different types of drive trains available for motorcycles.

@TheEngineersPost

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Started with a shaft on a 79 Yamaha XS1100, got a bike with a chain, CB500, even changed the rear sprocket and chain itself, but it felt like a pain in the ass. Now I'm back to shaft, R NineT, and no longer need to mess with gearing, or chain oil, or chain tension, etc.

Rode a lot of belt-driven Harleys, and even a couple belt-driven BMW F650CS’s over the years. I’m now on a Yamaha MT-03, and if it had a belt drive too, it’d be as close to a perfect bike as I could imagine.

Lovely video! I have been using chain drive all life long and yeah it needs lubrication maybe every 1k kms.

@TheEngineersPost

2 жыл бұрын

Great point!

Both of my Harleys are chain drive and I never had any problems and they never let me down . They are made of good components . I went from belt to chain because did not want to be on the side of the road . For a stock Harley would be fine . I don't have to adjust my chain very often as it made of good high quality x ring chain

@nigelhearne8368

2 жыл бұрын

Don't you still need to remove the primary and clutch to get at the drive sprocket if replacing chain though, I have a belt drive Dyna and it's bloody expensive if you have to replace the belt and sprockets because of this.

@mistersmith7391

2 жыл бұрын

I like apples, i have 2. I have never tried oranges or bananas. But apples are the best of the 3, i just know......because i bought 2 apples and eat them often. My opinion is based on a great set of experience and data collection. That is why iam smart.... because i know all my fruits.

@superphonixlp4152

2 жыл бұрын

@@mistersmith7391 lol?

@poolhemi

Жыл бұрын

@@mistersmith7391 lol Thats great!

youtube forced me to watch this by recommending it everyday

2 850Gs. I'd happily buy another. Love my sv650, and my next bike will probably be chain, but the shaft is just nice for a non~racer like me.

Good explanation of the difference between these three drive systems. I really would like shaft drive even for a bicycle. No need for the regularly maintainance as with chain. The significantly worse efficiency is of course a true drawback. With a motorcycle and 100hp or more this is a non issue for practical use. But when the normal operating power is 0,2-0,5hp it's more noticeable...

@superphonixlp4152

2 жыл бұрын

Chains are still the real ones

I've owned all three. Prefer the belt overall. Then the shaft. Belt is the least cost for power and lasts just as long as the chain. The shaft drive is the strongest by far but tends to lift the back of the bike under acceleration (at least mine have) so not ideal for performance but fine for a cruiser. I would tell my buddy when his chain needed to be adjusted after riding down the highway near him. He had R6. I had XB12R

@Ryknfjor

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah. Had a xb12s and 1125r.

@codyhatch4607

Жыл бұрын

I had a shaft and the whole bike feels like it jumps up when you crank on the gas. I will take a belt all day long. Chains are too much work and with no center stand on a Harley a pain in the ass to lube.

The biggest disadvantage of the chain is no longer necessary though. The Regina HPE maintenace free chain does away with the constant lubing, that then gets slinged all over the rear of the bike. I have it now for 8k km and so far it delivers as promised. Not doing any maintenace on it at all. A complete game changer, since the choice of non-chain driven bikes is getting ever smaller. A lot of shaft drive models have disappeared from the stage and are not replaced.

@NONO-hz4vo

Жыл бұрын

Came here to mention there are now maintenance free chains. The system still experiences wear faster than a belt or drive though.

Some bikes from former eastern block has chain drive completely sealed. Chain runs in its own cover, it's lubricated from the transmission shaft, where intentionally leaks motor oil. This system is very efficient and even common chain holds 40 000km before needing replacement. Only disadvantages are oil drops (oil slowly leaks from transmission) and it's really pain in the ass to replace chain and sprocket. After all, it's great thing and is referred as "shaft of the poors".

@Hopeless_and_Forlorn

Жыл бұрын

Exactly right. I have found that a drive chain on a motorcycle will last indefinitely if kept clean and well lubricated. I did it the hard way, by cleaning and lubing the chain every couple of hundred miles. But, I noticed that even a short ride on wet roads would lead to excessive chain wear because water sprayed onto the chain by the front wheel contained road grit that accumulated inside the chain rollers. A good chain box would keep the chain clean and dry, short of riding through deep water. If I ever own another chain drive motorcycle, I intend to build my own chain box for it.

thanks i learned something important today

@TheEngineersPost

2 жыл бұрын

Very welcome

My sedan has a 17% parasitic power loss, and that's with 6 gears and AWD. I'd be shocked if parasitic loss on a shaft drive bike is any more than 10%. I'm no expert on belts this is just a hypothesis, but belts require a lot of tension to stay on the pulleys, I'd go as far as to say belt drives have more power drain than shaft. I dunno with all the UV joints tho. I'd love to hear from an expert on this

@thechumpsbeendumped.7797

2 жыл бұрын

I’m of the same mind, I can’t believe that a shaft drive saps up to 25% of the power, thats 625-2500% more than a chain.

@moonshinepz

2 жыл бұрын

I have a belt drive (BMW) I understand it is not as efficient as a chain drive,

@gschady

2 жыл бұрын

I'm an expert .. now you've heard from me ;^)

@kenwittlief255

2 жыл бұрын

for every hour you ride, how much of that is with the throttle WFO? when the throttle is not wide open, what do you care how much power is being lost? at cruising speed nearly ALL your power is being lost to wind drag. SO WHAT?!

I have a Moto Guzzi V7 which is shaft drive. What I like most about it is that I don't have to clean it all the time. Changing the oil in it is a breeze and doesn't need to be done all that often.

As a rider of a "85" Yamaha Maxima 700x I find the shaft drive much smoother of a ride, and don't have to worry about maintenance

It depends on the used. Each has different purpose and design specification. Chain has a lower thermal expansion compare to belt chain. Which it can go longer time But will consume maintenance on rust. And adjustment The belt chain Has the advantage of direct transmission. From staring point it can have a better acceleration. Direct shaft or pto It the number of gear linkages to the developed the power, which need good materials and expensives but it has more power compare to the both chain.

@Davesworld7

Жыл бұрын

The chain expands the most and they do get hot after just a mile.

The moot point is, re-inventing a wheel just for the sake of inventing is, colorful, fun & has certain bragging potential, but not efficient enough to scale up for common use.

My Can Am Spyder RT Limited uses a belt. When I picked it up from the dealer brand new, I had a hole in the belt caused by a stone from roadworks within 700km. I was livid - it cost NZ$800 to replace the belt.

The best explanation! Thank you very much!

Anyone that says shaft drive dosen't require maintenance has never owned a BMW.

6:19 At the top middle, that blue one, It's my dad's Hero Honda CD Deluxe (Now it's renamed as Hero HF Deluxe) which gives about 160mpg

Excellent. Thankyou. I have little interest in bikes myself, but do like learning about the engineering.

SImple, good and precise.Thank you for sharing

You didn’t really answer which is better. I think it depends on what the individual rider needs: performance (speed), touring or low maintenance. I ride a 1984 Nighthawk S shaft drive and it’s had a few oil changes in its life. I’ve had it since 1988 and it’s still thriving. Btw, this is a CB750SC, a Canadian version with 84 hp. Hard to beat it when I go on 10 hour round trips and not worry about oil or chain adjustments.

@TheEngineersPost

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it depends

@guycomyn708

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheEngineersPost jobs

@superphonixlp4152

2 жыл бұрын

I have a cbr 600 f from the same year 😁👍🏻

I prefer shaft drive, Easy to maintenance more confidence for long range riding. 600km/day is my minimum on weekend trip.

@arturama8581

2 жыл бұрын

I rode a ZX-14. Took me 50.000km (30.000+ miles) to wear the chain down. 50.000km / 600 = 80 days = 40 weekends = two years of your nice weather riding. My ZX14 was a 500lbs, 200bhp, 150+NM bike, doing 0-100kmh in some 2.5-3s, passing 200kmh in about 7.5s. I rode the whole year trough with it. Only took the car out when expecting hail or heavy snow. How about confidence for long range riding? And how long does it take to change a chain and sprockets? Chains wear, but you can easily see how much and change them in time. Now look at a driveshaft and tell me when it's going bust!

@bigbird2523

2 жыл бұрын

@@arturama8581 My previous bike was ZX14R also New piston, camshaft, big butterfly throttle with PC5+ignition module. Top speed on GPS was 333kmh officially. It run so smooth I take it to every countries as i could. But after some of my open bike fellows(Haya H2 ZX14) were dead and some got disability, I prefer to ride long with moderate speed. That's why I switched to shaft drive bike, no need to bend down my body to take care of it anymore.

@arturama8581

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigbird2523 That's fine and I am sorry for your losses. Not everyone can handle such bikes (you don't *have* to ride them hard) and then it's very wise to change to a more docile bike. A friend of mine did the same and I was about to change my bike to a GTR1400 cause of neck problems. But my point still stands. How is a chain and sprocket less reliable than a shaft?

@bigbird2523

2 жыл бұрын

@@arturama8581 When I was still own ZX14R I lubricated the chain every 600km during my trip and it was quite complicate coz I had to do it on my own. I lived in rain-forest country and I rode in every condition half of them in rain condition (be careful on your ZX14 ram air, water may spill in your air filter). I used the best xw-ring chain that i could find here and it could last long around 20,000km. When it became more rocket bike than road bike, another adventure bike was in my list. Before I go to big Adv like GS or Terene, I decided to buy brand new Suzuki VanVan200 as hobby bike(of course it was 520chain drive). I took it to the country side 300km long in rain and went into deep forrest alone. When I was trying to climb a very steep hill, chain was loosen out of sprocket and that bike fell on me. After I rescued myself I had to fix it on my own in the wood. Eventually I can ride back to my home with a loud chain noise along the way. I sold that bike away cheaply immediately. It was 1 month old and clocked around 800km on it. Finally I sold my ZX14R coz I couldnt handle it safely anymore. I aimed to shaft-drive for my bike. After I owned it for fully 4 years with zero problem. What I had to do just 1 ride. 2 fill the tank. 3 cosmetically clean it. no more oil spilled on my rear wheel. The rest was hand over to mechanic as usual maintenance. My hand was clean and I was so happy with it.

i have a chain driven DRZ400 and a shaft driven XJ750. shaft is cool cause it doesnt need any real maintenance besides some gear oil. but they are heavy, i think i prefer chain the most. they are simple, cheap and easy to replace. yea lubing it often can suck but it doesnt take long

Wow..thank you I had no idea that there were such a difference in all three of them..

I have seen alot of shaft drive failure very expensive to replace parts most of them are parted out. My Harley Davidson FXR has belt on it now. Going to switch it to chain drive.

@kenwittlief255

2 жыл бұрын

only way to destroy a shaft drive is to wipe off the 60% moly lube from the factory when you change your rear tire and replace it with axle grease. That will destroy the spines in about 3000 miles and cost you about $500 to repair the moly lube from the factory is good for 100,000 miles if you just LEAVE IT ALONE

@frapp31

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you wanna change to chain from belt? Just curious?

@poolhemi

Жыл бұрын

@@frapp31 Read it again its the other way around, belt to chain, which is a mistake in my opinion

@frapp31

Жыл бұрын

@@poolhemi yeah that's what I meant. I have only had chain drive but would love to have belt for my next bike.

I had a Kawasaki z1000st and the shaft drive was brilliant, also it was faster than the chain driven version as I found out . So I disagree with you when you say shaft drive looses the most power , don’t forget there is no slack like chain , the drive is direct.

Appreciate this channel

Never driven a Belt, but I switched from chain to shaft, and oh boy is the shaft a luxury. You just don't feel any load changes, especially at low RPM

Great explain

Chain driven all day long. I been riding for 20 years

@Team-fabulous

2 жыл бұрын

So what.....

@chrishoonbag8844

2 жыл бұрын

@@Team-fabulous get some experience under your belt and you will see exactly “what”

@Team-fabulous

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrishoonbag8844 been there done that and continue to do so... Thanks

I like shaft drive. I had a 1986 XJ 700x and it was smooth and very little maintenance. Now I have an fz6 that is chain drive. Unfortunately, a lot of bike use chain .

Never rode a belt drive, but my favorite bike was a shaft drive, and were I still able to ride, that's the only way I'd go.

I have belt driven scooter !! : )

They didn't cover how on shaft drive when you gas it the back end of motorcycle lifts up thus losing traction not good when cornering hard... JMO

@Legi0n21

2 жыл бұрын

hasn't happened to me in 15 years of riding shaft driven mcs

@DCSPORTSTER

6 күн бұрын

@@Legi0n21 you lying to yourself the backend always lifts up on a shaft drive motorcycle. it is kind of unnerving. shaft drive works on a big heavy gold wing the only way to go. as for a cruiser I prefer belt if it’s a dirtbike no other way to go but chain.

@Legi0n21

6 күн бұрын

@@DCSPORTSTER lol, if you say so... coming back to reality, on acceleration the front-end lifts. ALWAYS! It is the way the torque is applied to the rear wheel. it works the same on motorcycles and cars.

Sprocket ⚙️size and changes is also a big part or motorcycle chain drives which was completely forgotten. I change mine for stunting and back for highway. The closer ratio to 1:1 the more torque. A 3:55 ratio is highway but a 4:11 is better for stunt drag or just low end torque.

I've had all of them, but I prefer belt drive

I had a chain drive Bicycle and it needed maintenance after season changes because it would expand and get loose.

@misa9166

2 жыл бұрын

So it would sometimes get detached and it wouldn't move.

"Shaft drive" section fails to show any shaft driven vehicles..

@bigmgaming9135

2 жыл бұрын

In Motorcycles

@DustyVisorMotorcycles

2 жыл бұрын

Tenere............

Thanks for the video!

Thanks for sharing good information 👍

Hi in INDIA some china manufacturer Introduced BELT system for Royal Enfied 500 cc . My friend buy the retro fitting set for bike. After fitting He gone 40 km away from his home for testing on Super Highway. But as he reached on Highway and powered the bike to test 0 to 140 km test the belt broke in 2 pcs and teeth wore out and belt become ribbon. He call the seller of belt. But they say we can't do any thing. He was in middle of No where with broken bike. He called us them we go to him to resue and Pulled his bike by toaging 40 km. Its tottaly bad experience. I think we should use the bike as company given.

@benjaminbirrell3452

2 жыл бұрын

If the manufacturer won't replace it for normal use, the manufacturer cannot be trusted to have quality products 😂

@Legi0n21

2 жыл бұрын

never buy cheap things when your life depends on them

Chain drives are real efficient, but lose around 10% on average, dyno proven.

I was told by a engineer that chain drive is only more efficient than shaft when new after 750/1000 miles the chain is a lot less efficient than the shaft drive and the more miles you do the worse the chain becomes plus shaft stays at its same efficiency for life but the big downside is the weight of the shaft drive system not suitable for small engine bikes

A major disadvantage of a chain drive system is the oil, grease and dirt is thrown against the back of the bike and the panniers. You don't want to enter a good hotel or B&B with those panniers as your luggage on your journeys. And I hate to grease and adjust a chain in the rain on a long trip. Therefore a belt or a shaft drive are to be prefered on a touring bike. A shaft drive system has much less power losses when the engine crankshaft is not transvers to the rear shaft so the power needs to be transfered only once in an 90° angle by the a worm gear pair. I own a BMW K1100RS and a Honda Pan European ST1100. Both have well designed shaft drive systems with little losses due to the motor orientation in the bike. And these worm gear drives do need some maintenance. You need to change oil in regular intervals not as often as motor oil changes but that counts as maintenance for me.