the fact that these two can murder children but not speak frankly about sex says everything.

1. This is truly a wild story. 2. I am obsessed with that kitten.

@TheEuniceBurns1

Жыл бұрын

Also Banksy’s hearty belly fur.

Lori was found guilty on all counts, Chad hasn't gone to trial yet.

@AChickAndADuck

Жыл бұрын

I hope they throw the book at him!

@eneyeseekay

Жыл бұрын

And the kids were killed weeks before Tammy was killed.

Lori had an older son who survived bc he was grown and has his own family and in the Netflix documentary he said he holds annual vigils to remember his siblings ❤

A prime example of not needing religion in the least to aid in morality 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ This atheist would not murder anyone, much less children. 😢

According to Lori’s cousin Megan (who recently has done a couple interviews), Lori was always pretty awful. They were driving with 2 guys as teens & the driver swerved his car & killed a cat. He made sure it was dead & Lori let out a demented laugh that Megan has never forgotten…

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, heard that after filming this :(

@AChickAndADuck

Жыл бұрын

So disturbing!

@rhondadearborn3265

Жыл бұрын

Also, the sister of his third wife is running a petition for the police to investigate her brothers murder because she believes that Lori killed him too….this was well before Chad

Chad was actually popular author for preppers. He even had his own publishing company for it (Deseret Book stopped publishing his books, so he went that route)

Basically Chad and Lori met at a prepper conference when they both were married. The instantly hit it off and Lori ended up just staying at his table selling his books with him. They justified it because obviously they were married in another life (I believe he said he was Moroni and she was his wife in a past life.) Then Tammy, Chad's wife, dies mysteriously. Lori's husband (don't remember his name) is killed by her brother who also has their belief system, but the police never took it seriously because he claimed self defense. Her brother and Tylee's dad also died mysteriously, but it was ruled natural causes, but Tammy was ruled that too previously 🤷‍♀️ And she's facing charges for her niece's husband too. I think that was just an attempt, though.

@crispmom

Жыл бұрын

Lori's husband who was killed by her brother Alex was named Charles Vallow.

@Julesb2183

Жыл бұрын

@@crispmom I thought it was Charles.

“The scientific phenomenon of loin fire” That’s the cringiest thing I’ve ever heard 😮😮😮 “She gave him a blessing,” is that what the kids are calling it now? 😂😂

I know it’s odd but when this case broke I was so appalled I had to try and understand the case, so I fell down the ex Mormon rabbit hole and that’s how I found you. I was actually surprised you guys didn’t know the case 😅

@katraylor

Жыл бұрын

Mormons come up a LOT in true crime stories.

@punkypower8138

Жыл бұрын

Me too!! I fell down that same rabbit hole despite never being Mormon or even meeting a Mormon. I've read/binged so much Mormon content in the last month that I know more about Mormonism than Catholicism at this point, and I went to Catholic school until I was 14. I even spent a whole morning reading the CES Letter after Heather Daybell (Chad's SIL) mentioned it in an interview.

I'm melting watching Tanner melt over that kitten! We're all just a melty mess. Sam: thank you for fostering! ♡

While watching this at my moms house the missionaries stopped by, buuuut for the first time ever my mom sent them away saying she wasn’t interested in becoming active again, so that’s exciting

Omg please make a video about Saturdays warrior, that was one of the two movies we were allowed to watch on Sundays when I was a kid, it's free on KZread at horrible quality lmao

@dreibel

Жыл бұрын

and while you're at it, also review Escevido's book about the evils of rock music that came out in the eighties - that book, though well-intentioned, had a LOT of errors regarding a number of acts he made accusations about.

@AChickAndADuck

Жыл бұрын

Yes please!!

@stheno4783

Жыл бұрын

Yes pls! I randomly find myself singing the songs haha it would be fun to watch a commentary

For why they wanted to kill the kids, I think that Tylee probably was noticing stuff she didn't like about Chad and she started speaking out about it. She definitely would have had issues if JJ was mistreated. The whole taken over by dark spirits excuse was the reason why Vallow had to go, but it was really because they wanted to be together. He had a bad spirit that was taking over him. They wouldn't even call him by his name, but the name of his bad spirit. I think Chad decided the same thing here. Also, I can see chad not wanting Lori to have them in her life because they took to much attention and he wanted it.

Finally the antidote to cults-kittens. 😹

I have never heard of Chad before this. Was not expecting something this sad. When I read the title I was expecting another silly,fictional romance like 'Charly' or 'Adam'. But it is good to make people aware of stuff like this.

I have never seen a tinier kitten! Edit: I have aphantasia (inability to see things in my mind). Also, Sam: You are absolutely an artist!

@Amy-bl8sp

Жыл бұрын

Me too! I was an embarrassingly old 40 when I learned that most people can actually see things in their mind!

I followed the saga of Chad and Lori, I might know way too much about the story. I listened to the whole Lori Vallow/Daybell trial… Maybe too much? The best line from Lori's trial came from texts between Chad and Lori that were read out loud in the court. In one text to Lori, Chad said that they were “cheek to cheek and loin to loin”. I laughed so hard. The LDS church beliefs (for the last 187 years) planted the seeds of what Chad, Lori and her brother Alex did, IMHO. They drew lines and made assumptions with Chad’s "gift of discernment”, the church gave them permission, they felt justified in murdering 4 people because it was for the greater good in their sick minds. They thought everything was going to be ok, the world was supposed to end on July 22 2020 (according to Chad) then they would gather the 144,000 chosen people. It was all in the plan.

I recommend listening to the hidden true crime podcast series on them. One of the hosts is an incredible forensic psychologist and his conceptualisation of their behaviour and how it developed (including the influence that Mormonism had) is fascinating.

Love this video. Excellent point that everyday people are capable of atrocities. It takes introspection and awareness to prevent ourselves from becoming tools of a system to hurt others.

They should make Chad watch this video as part of his sentence. 😂

This is so good!!🤣 After following this case since 2019 and listening to most of the trial, this was really refreshing. It’s been so heavy and so dark. You guys made so many good points and brought so much needed humor! I’m so glad you guys did this! Thank you💛

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

Awww yay!! 💜💜

Highly recommend listening to Mormon stories podcast episode with Loris cousin Megan.

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

Halfway through!

Cats & cults? Yes please 🙏

@dovestone_

Жыл бұрын

When you put it like that 😍

@sandreaandrea

Жыл бұрын

I'll join a cat cult run by these two.

I have not started using "grim" in day to day context but whenever you two say it during something that makes me cringe as badly as this writing, I can't help but say it out loud too. GRIM. Thank you for your time spent suffering for us❤

I’m the girly who messaged Sam about this on insta and I am so glad you’re dipping your toes into the subject!! Looking forward to it ❤️

When Chad was named as under investigation in the case, I was still at Seagull Book. We had to clear all his books off the shelf and box them before we opened for the day, and were told not to discuss it. Every volume, a waste of a tree. Absolute drivel, but clearly, dangerous drivel.

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

Eeeeek

@tarajh

Жыл бұрын

Chad's writing is sooooo bad! It's truly embarrassing.

Oh my fucking god the kitten ❤️❤️❤️ and a incredible read 😂

I've been following yinz forever and I've been following the vallow/daybell case forever. Seeing yinz discover loinfire for the first time was AMAZING! I went back and watched the moment twice 😂😂😂

@janabomersbach4466

11 ай бұрын

Pittsburgh?

So excited that you guys finally got to this case!

OMG! This is the first time I ever thought about how creepy it really is that we sang "Follow the Prophet" as like babies haha. I think my kids only went to church with my mom once. Once was enough for them lol. My first daughter was obsessed with spooky stuff for some reason for literally her whole life (she existed as a werewolf for her entire 4th year ). Anyhow, the one thing she liked about Primary was FOLLOW THE PROPHET because it was scary hahaha

Absolutely would love to hear your voices on this case, especially to tie in the Mormon connection all along its gruesome way. At minimum they seem doctrine-adjacent. So much of their weird stuff happened IN the temple. Do you think Lori was praying as her guilty verdict was read in court last week? They say Chad came to consider his books scripture.

so glad we had the tiniest kitten palate cleanser for this video

Tanner's discomfort is palpable...and relatable. Hope this story doesn't haunt you both because I have heard things that cannot be unheard.

My new Sunday routine is getting blasted and doing chores while listening to Zelph 😇

@ZelphOntheShelf

10 ай бұрын

YAY!!!!!!!

The daybell case is all-consuming. I appreciate y'all trying to give perspective and not just rage (even though for those 2 I feel rage is deserved). I look forward to watching you all dissect their awful story!

I mean, to be fair, she most definitely had a personality shift when she became converted to Chad's cult. And I find it unlikely that she would have killed her kids if she had never met Chad. But, that doesn't mean she was always a good mother or a good person. She reminds me so strongly of my own mother who is diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder. And even hearing about how things were before Chad from family members, she has always been a terrible, cruel person who only cared for others because it made her look good. She also manipulated those around her for her own gain well before meeting Chad. Her own son couldn't wait to get away from her and describes her trying to sabotage his relationship with his wife.

I love the kitten ❤

A new reading? We are blessed.

Would love to hear your commentary on this case as you learn more about it! The Netflix documentary is a good place to start if you haven't been following the case closely.

So this looks like a soon to be foster fail kitten 😊❤😁

So Chad hasn't gone to trial yet they anticipate it to happen in 2024

“We are reading actual erotic from a murderer cult leader.” 🤣☠️

@lovebaileymarin

Жыл бұрын

ABOUT DRY HUMPING

"Voice a woman's blue muppet" is definitely a euphemism

It was mentionned during her trial that she called his manbit the thunder.

@abbywolf9701

9 ай бұрын

What a horrible day to be able to read 😂

I'd be very interested in the two of you looking at his post apocalyptic novels (or cliffs notes), and discussing in what ways it's Mormon and in which ways it's not

The weirdest part of the story, and there’s lots to choose from, is that James had a desk. And an office. I’m not an expert in historical architecture but I don’t think I have heard anything about any of the apostles having offices or desk.

Agree with the commenter below that Lori was pretty much always not a good person. People tended to have misfortune around her before she met Chad. Chad’s wife, Tammy, suddenly died at age 49, though having no health problems. He married LV two weeks later. I think they had the agenda and got rid of whatever got in their way. They used the weird religion to rationalize getting together and murdering Tammy, Tylee, and JJ. She also had her brother kill Charles Vallow at some point too. This is what happens when narcissistic sociopaths collide and leave damage in their wake. I get married people are sometimes attracted to others, but this twisted tale is not what most people do when it happens, thankfully. Allegedly in my opinion.

@AChickAndADuck

Жыл бұрын

There’s some suspicion around how Lori’s older sister Stacy died too - not from Lori, but from her brother Alex, who attempted to shoot Brandon Boudreaux and Tammy, and was likely involved in killing the children too.

36:25 Tanner haven’t you ever heard that teenage boys and young 20 somethings will “literally die from blue balls, if you don’t help me babe” xD hahaha

Excruciating stuff. Thank you for your service

I'm like 2 minutes in and I can't hear anything you're saying because I'm cooing over this tiny little cat, oh my GOOOODS, it's so tiny and so comfy on Tanner's arm!!!!!!!

Ok this was just insane. I don't know what to think. Just found your guy's channel. Have been beinge watching your content. Love you guys

To me what I understood from the mormon stories episode there are other strange deaths in Lori's family... it seemed that she brought the death.

@Amy-bl8sp

Жыл бұрын

Lori & Alex's cousin Megan suspects that Alex also had something to do with the death of his sister Stacey (Melani's mother). Those two have apparently always been sus.

oh, don't mind me. i'm just laughing my ass off at his straight up plagiarized lines from the love song from saturday's warrior. 🤣🤣🤣

Loin fire caught me soooo off guard I am super uncomfortable

What a treat to appear on my feed

I am BEGGING to have my name taken out of this

When I was young, my high school had some very alarming posters concerning the phenomenon of "Loin Fire" (Do you smoke after sex? Do you check?) and they left quite an impression on me. Since that time I have made sure to remove my pubic hair (fuel+ oxygen+ ignition) and keep a common A-B-C fire extinguisher in my bedroom. One can never be too careful! Also, never rub two Girl Scouts together... that will always start a fire!

@stheno4783

Жыл бұрын

What?!?!?! What in the what 😂

@afwalker1921

Жыл бұрын

@@stheno4783 Hail Satan! Seriously...

You two are awesome! I was laughing so hard at your comments!!!

the delusions and hoops he jumped through just to justify having an affair is crazy

@ashlynonline

Жыл бұрын

this episode had me laughing with all your comments but still shocked at how this was going on in his head??? and the way he was able to convince her they were married and friends with jesus and whatnot is just unfathomable

KITTEN!!! I mean if you do keep him, I think it’s only right that you name him jack weyland, or if it’s a girl Charly?

We are fostering 5 kittens right now. So cute!

not done watching but YES PLEASE DO SATURDAY'S WARRIOR FOR PATREON! (sorry for yelling)

@purplepandas72

Жыл бұрын

i hear it in my head every single time Samantha says "line upon line"

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

@@purplepandas72 🎵precept on precept

Bruce Porter. That's a real guy and I know him. He's in my old stake and used to be our gospel doctrine teacher. He's a mormon "scholar" who writes books and does lectures on a very Mormon skew of ancient history. I.e. an apoligist masquearding as a scholar. Since Chad's romance story is obviously autobiographical, it's a fair bet Bruce Porter really was at the same convention as Chad, hawking his books - and did give Chad and Lori the stink-eye when he sensed they were on the verge of fornicating rigth in front of him. Hilarious.

Flaming sword also jumps out as me as very much the kind of possible strange phallic imagery some people of Joseph Smith's time were into. Aside from the angel connotations.

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

definitely!!

Telestial Desire would be a great band name

So, this was actually worse than Jack. What it really needed was a showdown between a balloon man and a monkey.

Not going to lie, this video was really difficult to get through. The kitten helped. They're really cute!

Loin fire. Sounds like the mormon version of Penthouse Forum

There is suspicious that Lori had her brother kill her husband as well. I believe her first husband died mysteriously and her second was murdered by her brother. Also Josh was her son, not just a family member.

Late to the party but, the motivation for all of the deaths was mostly for financial gain. Both of the perpetrators allegedly had their spouses killed and upon each death, they were the beneficiaries of their spouses insurance policies. Chad did receive a large payout, and Lori expected to, but her husband Charles, who was killed by Lori’s brother Alex, changed his beneficiary to his sister. Plans were thwarted. She also took over SS death benefits from her daughter Tylee, a couple of months before she was killed. That money was used for her car payments and other expenses until Lori made her have the funds directly deposited into her own account. The benefits for her adopted son JJ, were also conscripted by Lori. Part of the charges against her are for Social Security fraud. I believe that she was always deceptive and eventually she would have found a way to get rid of Chad, like she did her previous 4 husbands.

Might need to read some sexts from my comet to cleanse my palette after this 😬

And holy crap somebody else who knows Saturday's warriors! It was terrible..... and consequently now stuck in my head....

Sam, you’re always a step ahead of me it seems. So I’ll ask you a question I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. On balance, is truth good for H. sapiens? Should a general aim of our species be to pursue the truth?

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

I’d say so yes!

51:02 they were mainstream Mormons but were organizing groups that were fringes. That’s the scary part this can happen to any mainstream member. The responsibility should be on Salt Lake to tame those groups.

Serial killers can have higher iq’s, not always though. Run of the mill killers though, I would think they don’t because generally people who have high impulse control are more intelligent & people who kill their wives or another random type of killer, I’m thinking these people would have low impulse control.

Omg please watch Saturday’s Warrior

I am still waiting to hear an explanation from Lori's parents and sister Summer why they went on a family vacation to Hawaii in 1998, leaving their critically ill family member Stacey home alone. Then when they were notified she was on hospice and dying they all stayed vacationing in Hawaii. Barry, their father, had been giving Stacey morphine in her fragile condition, when the the side effects are loss of appetite, weight loss and drop of blood sugars - she was 76 pounds and had Type 1 Diabetes! And she had medical anorexia from the diabetes. There may be more than one modern day joe smith narcissists in this story.

@Amy-bl8sp

Жыл бұрын

Cousin Megan suspects Alex overdosed her on insulin. They were the only 2 family members around when she died & instead of visiting her in hospice, Alex took all of her credit cards and went on a shopping spree.

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Alex k*lled her based on her cousin’s account on MS :/

@ZeBeFruity

Жыл бұрын

@@ZelphOntheShelf 100%. I'm not convinced it wasn't a family conspiracy though.

I simultaneously want to throw up, and want more on this topic from you guys haha

K loved the Avril reference ❤

1:04:47 they weren't sacred, they were confidential.

I love you guys so much. Botha you are my sunbeams

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!! 💜💜💜💜

It would be very interesting if u wanted to go through the various mormon churches

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

that’s a good idea!

@stheno4783

Жыл бұрын

That would be fun/interesting!

Just an fyi: James is “James the less” - Chad in a previous life and Elena -James’ wife - Lori in a previous life. Oh he also said he was the Holy Ghost on another planet in another life…,😖

@Amy-bl8sp

Жыл бұрын

And Lori was once married to Moroni. Moroni and Jesus performed their sealing at the temple, I thought that was very open-minded and forward for being her ex-husband. 😛

I cannot help picturing Peter Griffin telling this poorly written ridiculous fable 😂

Oh my god 🐱 ❤ don’t do this to me. Just casually squealing alone in my flat on a Thursday. But this topic….. I wonder how everyone doesn’t question their faith after these situations happen.

So much over-spiritualization!! I guess very fitting with the MO, how else to excuse doing truly heinous things. I feel like we all needed an emotional support kitten for this one. Yikes!

I really like tanners shirt

12:08 "Humans are horny for cults"

@eneyeseekay

Жыл бұрын

21:47 "You're not gonna one up Eckhart"

@eneyeseekay

Жыл бұрын

1:08:00 "Let's do it again double reverse lightning style, our favorite."

Gotta stop thinking with your "firery sword" it pretty much has one train of thought......😂

Loin fire 🤢

This should be good

i knew it had to be a kitten or puppy surprise :3

I'm obsessed with this mess

It'll be a foster fail

kind of like the plot to Hancock

Do you think prophets actually believe in what they prophesize?

I understand the impulse to say “no one who does horrible things is mentally well,” but that’s very stigmatizing of mental illness. Specifically I find the way you equate personality disorders with evil to be stigmatizing. (Comments like the ones at 2:25 and 14:30) No disorder is an “evil person disorder,” and there are plenty of good people with cluster B personality disorders. (And other disorders, but you seemed to be talking specifically about cluster B) Not all murderers are mentally ill, and not all mentally ill people are murderers. It is harmful to equate the two I’m not saying that Lori and Chad were mentally well when they murdered, just that, ultimately, their choices were the deciding factor, not any mental illness.

@ZelphOntheShelf

Жыл бұрын

I did not mean to imply that there are evil person disorders or that mentally ill people are generally worse in any way (OCD, ADHD, and formerly ED here ayoh 😅), but I do stand by my statement that mentally well people do not murder. I absolutely think that certain mental illnesses play a role in situations like this (though of course, it’s an interplay of factors.)

@crowlowin4330

Жыл бұрын

@@ZelphOntheShelf You can still perpetuate ablism and sanism while having mental illnesses, especially when your comments were specific to personality disorders, which you do not claim to have I feel that saying only the mentally ill commit murder is very stigmatizing. Mentally well people can make bad, cruel choices. You can say “not all mentally ill people are evil” but so long as you also believe “all evil people are mentally ill” you are still coming from a stigmatizing perspective It seems like you’re defining mentally well as “people who make what I would consider to be good, justified choices.” But you don’t need to have a disordered way of looking at or experiencing the world to be cruel. If all murders are done by the mentally ill, than the reverse must also be true, that all mentally well people are incapable of murder, and that’s a dangerous way of thinking I must admit I’m a bit sensitive to associations between mental illness and violence after the recent murder of Jordan Neely. If you think only the mentally ill can commit murder, you’re going to be more on guard around the mentally ill and be more likely to perceive them as dangerous, even when no violence or threats have occurred. Your first thought when confronted with cruelty and violence seems to be “what mental illness did they have?” Can you not see how that is stigmatizing? If your first thought was “what race are they,” that would be clearly a product of racism, even if you were a POC and even if you did not think that all POC were inherently violent

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This was read in COURT?