Check out Genshin Impact's animated spot here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYyrzrSOYs_YgLA.html The views/opinions expressed in this video are my own.

@draconisthewyvern3664

Жыл бұрын

no it’s not. we have had 3D technology for a while and use it regularly for example video games. saying the 3D CGI looks cheap and ugly is a completely valid criticism. it’s not like it’s brand new, earth breaking technology. that said i guiltily enjoyed cagester, knights of sidonia (which is one of the better ones in looks). that doesn’t mean they didn’t look ugly

@victornavarro19842

Жыл бұрын

@@draconisthewyvern3664 me when schizophrenia

@Happyday-ps7wy

Жыл бұрын

Good video, but be clear Arcane was animated in France and written in America with American music. It’s a French animation not a anime, calling it anime bit rude to France. general society defines that ‘anime’ has to be made in Japan or at least Asia or really dosnt count. Anime is not defined by any particular art style but by limited frame animation, witch can only happen when have very low budget 2 d hand drawn animation witch 3d by nature has automatic in-betweens between its key poses so dose not suffer this issue.

@draconisthewyvern3664

Жыл бұрын

@@victornavarro19842 saying something looks bad/ugly is a valid critic regardless if it’s 3D or 2D. you can enjoy something and have that something also be bad. for example i guiltily enjoy ME 3. that doesn’t mean it’s ending is not kinda 💩 if you as a gamer or enthusiast of anime can’t name one bad game/anime you enjoyed at least a little? you need to watch/play more games and anime.

@edgieststalker8141

Жыл бұрын

"Genshin Impact had an Impact on my frontal lobe and now I can't stop thinking about Ganyu" -Maxor

There really are people out there who watched Berserk 2016 and just never forgave the entire concept of CGI for it.

@FanGirl9463

Жыл бұрын

To be fair that’s pretty understandable.

@namonaite

Жыл бұрын

I mean I'll never forgive the berserk 2016 production. But also Houseki No kuni is of my favorite anime. CGI looks great its mostly a compositing issue that requires good communication between the departments. If an anime studio gets that right shit will look great regardless of the shortcuts taken.

@theradionicrevival8068

Жыл бұрын

@@FanGirl9463 it really isnt. 💀

@historicflame972

Жыл бұрын

A scolded cat fears cold water

@en9665

Жыл бұрын

It's me, I'm the people

I died when he said "the only season of Promised Neverland", I have literally told people there's only one to prevent them from seeking out that other trainwreck

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

They should remake Season 2 of TPN. Season 1 was perfect.

@dragonspeakog

Жыл бұрын

Yes they should make a season 2

@linuxstreamer8910

Жыл бұрын

the suspense of season 1 awesome season 2 was just another shounen

@LuisSierra42

Жыл бұрын

there's no season 2 in ba sing se

@sololeveling7390

Жыл бұрын

It was so natural i didn't even notice it

“Look at the only season of the Promised Neverland….” Lol that got me in the heart😂

@human-animalchimeraprohibi2143

Жыл бұрын

@User Season 1 was one of the best seasons of anime that I’ve ever seen. Shame that it was never renewed. Seriously prison break shows never reach the same highs once they break out of said prison.

@kingace6186

Жыл бұрын

Yeah LMAO it came outta nowhere, too.

@matt0044

3 ай бұрын

Has there... ever been official word or statements on why Season 2 became all... that? There's gotta be a story behind that worth at least an hour long KZread video essay. What was the thought process? What was the motivation? Was there a grander plan than wrap it up? Why rush to an ending when most titles these days either continue or just... don't Netflix style? The world needs to know.

I'm surprised that you only gave Violet Evergarden one very brief mention; that anime combined 2D and CG a lot and that anime was absolutely _gorgeous._ I can't think of a single moment where that show's animation was anything less than amazing; there were a few times where it looked blurry to me, but that was because of me tearing up (I don't think any piece of fiction has ever managed to make me cry nearly as much as Violet Evergarden did).

@durarada

Жыл бұрын

Probably only got a brief mention because VE is so dang beautifully done that you'd have to be an absolute stubborn mule of a CGI hater to say it looks anywhere near bad

@NotZedMain

Жыл бұрын

every single typewriter is 3d 2d animating the typewriter for a trailer proved to be difficult since you need time and money so they completely switched

@code066funkinbird3

11 ай бұрын

Same

@code066funkinbird3

11 ай бұрын

​@@NotZedMainand it was phenomenal and amazing

"as someone who grew up knowing knowing every rock was about to blow up" this hit me hard

@Khotetsu

Жыл бұрын

Geoff basically said everything I was going to add in the video already, but it really reminds me of the hate Mob Psycho 100 got for its use of mixed media in its animation, which was just as stupid a thing to complain about. It's like anime fans have 1 specific Anime Aesthetic that they remember from the Good Anime of the 80's to 2000's, that all anime has to follow, and if it errs in any way from that, then it's Bad Anime.

@SingeScorcher

Жыл бұрын

@@Khotetsu wait people actually complained about MP100s mixed media? That show is far and away one of the best feasts for the eyes I've ever seen.

@sidcitris4162

Жыл бұрын

That and "the only season of Promised Neverland" got me good

@Khotetsu

Жыл бұрын

@@SingeScorcher Yeah, I can't remember if Geoff made a video talking about it or if it was Super Eyepatch Wolf, but one of them talked about it when season 1 first aired, because people were apparently outraged about how "awful" the animation in MP100 was.

@n8pls543

Жыл бұрын

​@@Khotetsu I have to agree with this. I've seen a lot of complaints about Studio Shaft's use of collage art and integrated photography along with surreal architectural renders. It does seem sometimes that if you move away from the whole orthodoxy of watercolor-looking backdrops and standard character shots, you'll end up with people who just didn't like having it be different.

The 3D in doro he doro is so consistent that it just becomes it’s own thing. You don’t even think of it as aping 2D

@xnexgax2477

Жыл бұрын

The Dorohedoro manga is absolutely fucking stunning. The quality of that CGI is a total insult.

@garchomowner

Жыл бұрын

Bro i didnt even realize it's CG until the cockroach appear. I went like "wait it's all CG??" . *cocks gun* "Always has been*

@loregoblin3854

Жыл бұрын

* sobs in waiting for season two * I love Dorohedoro so much, and it's such a perfect example of using one's tools appropriately to achieve something that'd be a total nightmare to do traditionally. like... I absolutely ADORE Q Hayashida's art style, because it's so hyper detailed, and loose, and sketchy, and grungy... you can feel the artistic process in it, literally I remember finding a panel in the manga where a large portion of the pencil rough sketch just wasn't even erased, and there was something so personal about that. polish isn't the point in Dorohedoro, that world is characterized by the fact that it's messy, and the art style isn't just committed to making it look that way... it feels like the story was conceived to play to the strengths of the kind of art that is Q Hayashida's wheelhouse. the roughness of that art style does not signify a lack of care, skill, or effort. if anything, it's the exact opposite. it is a very specific labor of love to draw out every messy detail in a world full of dirt, and broken things, and garbage, and blood... so to me, those moments of observable technique, where you aren't afraid to show the bones of your process, makes the creation of the art feel psychologically cohesive with the story it's telling. that being said... it's this exact kind of labor intensive looseness that would make hand animating Q Hayashida's exact art style a total nightmare project. even just hand animating Kaiman would be super difficult because of his irregular head shape, and all those scales. I am absolutely in love with the anime for Dorohedoro, because it feels like the manga and the anime each chose the tools that got them where they needed to go. and now, instead of having just the manga, and a verbatim translation of the manga that moves, we have two very different works of art. the audience gets to have two totally unique experiences with the story, and tbh, the 3D animation still has a similar psychological effect in terms of unapologetically using whatever tools are needed to lovingly portray all the dirt, broken things, garbage, and blood, without skimping, or leaving anything out. if hand animating meant they had to compromise on what they could visually include, then this medium actually was the best way to achieve the most authenticity with their resources.

@xnexgax2477

Жыл бұрын

@@loregoblin3854 If you really feel like its that good, then Ill try it again, but Im not expecting it to wow me. I honestly would've enjoyed if they hired a western studio that does cartoon adaptations of dark comics. I think Dorohedoros manga artstyle is really evocative of that western style.

@GuacJohnson

Жыл бұрын

@@loregoblin3854 yesssss dead on and fingers crossed for season two! I'm loving Dai Dark so far as well and expecting it to only get better so hopefully it'll get an adaptation one day too!

The biggest issue presented by most cgi in anime is when it is extremely noticeable. It actually does take you out of the experience. When the cgi is well integrated, or for games like genshin when 2d illustrations are absent from the game experience entirely they don't create the same jar for the viewer. 3d as a concept isn't the problem, it never was - its integration quality.

@Acceleration50

Жыл бұрын

This. This is exactly what I was saying, this "jarring effect" happens when these two things looks so different from each other that its terribly noticeable and it takes you out of the experience. Shows and games like: Arcane, Genshin Impact, Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse, and Land of the Lustrous don't have this problem because they're only using one animation style and if it is a mix of 2d and 3d they've done a real good job of hiding it.

@oogenesis

Жыл бұрын

@genovaz even 'noticeable' is a case-by-case thing for me, personally. cowboy bebop's CGI is noticeable as hell, but the obvious boundary between the two styles is used strategically. if a story is good enough, i often don't care about how much the 3D stands out. the 1st season of 'golden kamuy' was a great example... the animation is just not good, 2D or 3D, but the story is fantastic and the art is lovely? so i keep watching.

@Bendylife

Жыл бұрын

@@Acceleration50 fun fact, almost all the backgrounds in arcane are all 2d and all the lighting is hand painted as well. plus all the effects were 2d too. they really made a master piece

@LutraLovegood

Жыл бұрын

Gumball is the best example of good integration.

@rockEater_deathGrips

Жыл бұрын

Isn’t this the entire point that Jeff made in his video though?

The thing that impresses me most about Chainsaw Man’s CG application is that they combine it with 2D elements in a lot of clever ways most people don’t notice. Making a 3D character in an “anime” style adhere to the basics of 2D animation is HARD and we are starting to see that clever compositing can make use of 3D and 2D in conjunction to cover each medium’s limitations. I saw one in episode four that had my jaw on the FLOOR it was done so well, and those moments don’t get enough credit.

@conormulligan7966

Жыл бұрын

I think the reason it works so well is because denji moves at mach speeds so its hard to focus on how he looks but when he does stops or slows down youre still focus on how insane the fight was and the nutty shit denji is saying about touching boobs, imo the first episode fight didnt look great and really worried me but after the bat devil fight i was reassured and fully back on board

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. I think that Mappa blended 2D with 3D really well.

@sirmoony5633

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you! The 3D animated effects from the Chainsaw Man adaptation is so well done! :D

@securityvau1t

Жыл бұрын

I think Nighthead 2041 combined both elements quite nicely.

@SNE4KZ

Жыл бұрын

Yea just make it not look like shit

Shout out to The Bad Guys for realizing stylized, cartoony expressiveness and elasticity into a 3D production so masterfully. It's been exiting lately to see CGI used for more than just achieving photo realism.

@TheComicMaster1995

Жыл бұрын

Another Dreamworks film I’m looking forward to is the new Puss in Boots film I don’t know if the film will be any good, but the animation alone looks so good 🤩🤩

@halbarroyzanty2931

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, i don't know what kind of witchcraft they did to get that much expressiveness or such crisp, precisely tuned shillouettes

@pogpog1543

Жыл бұрын

even in the new Trigun trailer, you can see how expressive it is compared to other CGI anime, it looks like it's one of the first anime to use such exaggerated features instead of mimicking realistic effects.

@yoster39

Жыл бұрын

You can do cgi right, just look at fsn ubw

@mikethespacecowboy1172

Жыл бұрын

I agree but into the spider verse is the perfect example/blue print.

Speaking on the subs v dubs intro, I've been watching anime with my bff who suffers from bad enough dyslexia where most traditional subtitles are not an option, especially in shows where the dialogue moves faster. Nothing she can do about it, but its lead to me watching some dubs and actually discovering some really good voice work in newer shows that really shouldn't be shit on for being a dub. It's absolutely an accessibility thing and I'm glad that her and people who run into problems with subtitles for whatever reason have that option without having a diminished experience. Just a tangent, but worth pointing out to any of the dub haters out there.

@Gore1704

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Good that she has the option! Personally, sorta the opposite, I have real trouble understanding what I'm hearing, so I like to have subtitles even if they're speaking english. In fact, subbed is even better, because if they're speaking a foreign language, my brain stops straining to comprehend what's being said, meaning I can relax and focus watching more.

@Ash-Bun

Жыл бұрын

Personally there's a couple shows that I absolutely cannot watch subbed after watching the dub. The prime example I have is Rokka no Yuusha, I think they called it Heros of the six Braves or something in english. Either way, hearing the sub vs dub, the voice actors in the sub sound completely emotionless and, In my opinion, bored, whereas the dub cast sounds like they're giving it everything, especially in high emotional moments the characters shouldn't sound like they're chatting over dinner Edit: spelling dammit, I fat fingered Rolla not Rokka

@MrReznorPlays

Жыл бұрын

@@Gore1704 One of my big pet peeves for dubs is that the "closed captioning" for them is just the sub - meaning that they usually don't match what the english cast is saying and it's very annoying. I also have audio processing issues but I'd watch a lot more dubs if they had accurate subtitles

@Gore1704

Жыл бұрын

@@MrReznorPlays Fucking hell, yeah, that's so annoying!

@manofmayhem94

Жыл бұрын

I similarly have a friend who I watch anime with who is blind in one eye and it makes it really hard for him to handle subs.

As someone who grew up loving Reboot, I approve this message. Bad CG can tell a great story and great CG can ruin a moment, but it is not the fault of the CG itself.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. 3D isn’t the problem. It’s how they use it.

@MelloCello7

Жыл бұрын

@@onepresence9460 when theyve failed to use it well, then it starts to at the very least, be closely associated with the problem

@JasonOwensYT

8 ай бұрын

If its constantly happening then it is a problem.

@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou

Ай бұрын

Another Example of a Good Show made with Primitive CGI: BEAST WARS!

Listen. When I work traditionally, my lines get jittery if I don't press down the pen like I'm interrogating it. I can work for maybe 2-3 hours, tops. I don't have to do that with my tablet. I can create **so much more** due to it. I spent almost 20 years learning how to draw, and it's utterly infuriating when that work gets thrown out for the sin of not being on paper. People don't realize that they're literally in the golden age of media creation right now. It's crazy.

That sequence of Makima walking with the two guys at the end of episode one is not rotoscoped by the way. It was 2D animated by Kouki Fujimoto, an animator who is very good at drawing realistic movements. He was also the one who animated the sequence of Denji getting chased by the zombies.

@lachlanle7940

Жыл бұрын

If there's one thing I learnt from the CSM animation discourse is that people have not been exposed enough to character-acting animation, especially in action anime. CSM Episode 4 had a 2 minute sequence of pure character-acting animation, and despite being anime-original, its easily one of the best scenes in the anime so far. Seriously, prolonged character-acting animation sequences right now is a normal thing for CSM, whereas its a VERY RARE thing in other action anime.

@theLikou1

Жыл бұрын

Amazing. In many scenes in CSM I was like "this is rotoscoped, it's too damn good."

@takanara7

Жыл бұрын

yeah pretty funny he would give an example of rotoscoping that was actually just pure 2d animation. People's coats would never flutter like that IRL, it's definitely exaggerated, just not by much.

@Neobot21

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I couldn't tell if the shot with Makima walking into the warehouse in Episode 1 was CGI or not, but neither way I thought it looked fantastic. And just like the rest of the show it absolutely freakin does. I love this show, the story is amazing, the action is over-the-top awesome, the music is always wonderful and the animation is drop dead gorgeous.

@Mechasshole

Жыл бұрын

I'd add that Fujimoto (like many other respected animators) use live action references in some instances and it's definitely not the same as rotoscopy. Even people with trained eyes sometime confuse the two techniques.

Every time I see a CG background or a horse or a car I just think "I bet the artists are glad they didn't have draw that. Good for them."

@ThePolish2107

Жыл бұрын

@@amandak.4246 I mean, you win some, you loose some.

@wanashthegash

Жыл бұрын

@@amandak.4246 Better let it go, many of these animators don't even have a living wage.

@lssjgaming1599

Жыл бұрын

@@amandak.4246 in geenral horses tend to be one of the hardest animals to animate so it's very difficult either way

@PredictableEnigma

Жыл бұрын

But an artist did have to make it still!

@questioningespecialy9107

Жыл бұрын

SAO Abridged Kirito: "haha... _yeah"_

Side note: there's no rotoscoping in chainsaw man. That's just the power of Japanese animators working on 1's

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

That’s epic 👌

@kenmaru777

Жыл бұрын

Bro I can't believe Power's dance fron 11th ending is full 2d Denji vsv Zombies fight was full 2d Its amazing People get used to watch onepiss and mha, boruto That's why they shit on god level aniamtion

@user-yg6ki7ou2y

Жыл бұрын

@@kenmaru777 imagine confusing rotoscoping and cgi LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

@derekhandson351

Жыл бұрын

What's rotoscoping?

@WonSab

Жыл бұрын

@@derekhandson351 Put simply, it's animation made in part by tracing live-action footage.

Arcane is still the best example of hand drawn 3d style ive ever seen

@soysource3218

Жыл бұрын

And these veggies anime fans still say. ‘Oh but Berserk 2016 traumatised me really hard and it hurtz.’

@LutraLovegood

Жыл бұрын

It's one of the most expensive too, so no surprises there.

@canadaman9373

Жыл бұрын

@@soysource3218 i mean berserk 2016 fucking sucks

@sovietdoggo3779

Жыл бұрын

ITS DRAWN?!?!

@canadaman9373

Жыл бұрын

@@sovietdoggo3779 the backgronds and shading/coloring are painted and 2d and the character are 2d models

It's not Japanese, but French, but "Code Lyoko" uses a fascinating mix of 2d and 3d animation. I really recommend it!

@diogo763

Жыл бұрын

What a throwback…used to watch that as a kid

@MarshmallowRadiation

Жыл бұрын

Non-Japanese anime are valid! Spiderverse (Canadian animators), The Dragon Prince (also Canadian animators), and Arcane (also French, and Spanish) were mentioned in the video. And yeah, Code Lyoko was great! Its 3D hasn't aged well in terms of its technology, but it absolutely does a great job at conveying the action and intensity of the cyberspace sequences. And not just in fights, but also drama - for example, that one episode where Odd gets poisoned with laughing gas inside the digitization chamber, and his avatar ends up lurching forward drowsily, occasionally intercut with swaying, blurring POV shots. That's pretty intense, and it's hard to imagine something similar having the same impact with just 2D animation.

@StripedJacket

Жыл бұрын

BLAST TO THE PAST man

@Lehmannation1923

Жыл бұрын

It's also anime

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Code Lyoko is so cool! Good times...

I've never heard of Steam Boy and was really surprised that the movie was made in the early 2000s. It looks like it came out more recently

I feel like Beastars never gets enough praise for its visuals, although that might be because no-one's watched it because they all just see it as "the furry anime". If I wasn't completely sold on CGI anime before I was after Beastars. It looks stunning to me. The amazing composition and how good the show is at building atmosphere helps enormously, too, but there are little movements that are so much more expressive and effective with the CGI. The scene in season 2 with Legosi's tail wagging, for example. But I have to say, I was still humbled by this video as I have been complaining about the CGI in Blue Lock yet indeed did not notice the CGI in Spy x Family at all. I think the only reason it's bothering me in BL is that even though it's used sparingly and not for important moments, it's very obviously different in style from the hand-drawn characters so it can be a bit jarring when it suddenly switches between 2D and CGI in a single scene. I never saw anything that glaring in KNB and Haikyuu so I suppose I felt a little disappointed.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Beastars is freaking amazing. It’s 3D CG animation done right. No wonder it’s by Studio Orange, that also made Houseki no Kuni.

@kingace6186

Жыл бұрын

Beastars being seen as "the furry anime" is super disappointing since it is strongly written drama.

@code066funkinbird3

11 ай бұрын

Nobody sometimes seen interest in furry either and we all seen fury does been killed like a lot

@code066funkinbird3

11 ай бұрын

​@@kingace6186the whole show is furry beside a drama that hits the drawbacks All seen a meme is just furry getting killed by nazi

To add: The CGI style of Arcane has been around since 2013 with the release of the Get Jinxed music video for League Of Legends and it still looks good to this day. Fortiche Studio is really good with their art style. They've made more with that art style ever since for Riot Games. I don't know if it's also Fortiche who did the Tales Of Runeterra videos, Night At The Inn, & even the trailer for The Ruined King game, but the style is still really great.

as a 3D animator I know the problem, what anime studios need is good animation (its good but soo good that people don't notice 3D as much) but the thing is that good animation takes a loooot of time and end of the day 3D is used to save time.

@BigFry9591

Жыл бұрын

You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly the problem.

@ayushraikar597

Жыл бұрын

​@@BigFry9591 example of 3D done right - Arcane, and the reason it's so good is the animation.

@stekra3159

Жыл бұрын

And bleding 2d and 3d animation as is comen in most productions is even harder.

@Deezsirrer

Жыл бұрын

That's it? Not gonna tell them to reshape deform the mesh to look like drawing prediction Instead of 14fps perfectly shaped movement/rotation moving around like a laggy videogame?

@detomnz2024

Жыл бұрын

@@Deezsirrer pootis engage would like to have a word with you

Land of the Lustrous is literally the anime that defeated the comments that CGI in anime is bad

@Gloomdrake

Жыл бұрын

It's so pretty. Orange please make more

@letsgetsometruth4516

Жыл бұрын

For me was watching dorohedoro. Arcane was something else, the series had more realism than most live action movies I have seen

@denjidenji9162

Жыл бұрын

I wish we could get a second season so badly, if only so the anime onlies can experience the soul crushing despair that lies in the manga. *Time to wait a thousand years...*

@Grimnoire

Жыл бұрын

I loved houseki no kuni one of my favorite anime but hated the cgi in Attack on titan: final season specifically. For me humans and animals or anything organic in cgi looks horrible. Mechs look awesome to me and cars remind me of the ps2 era... I really can't say cgi is all good or all bad... it REALLY depends. Code geass great! The mechs are detailed and flashy and they blend well with aesthetic Berserk 2016 😬 Houseki no Kuni, fabulous! The whole show is 3D which makes it so much more stylized and unique I'd honestly enjoy it less if it was 2D. Wince the characters are rocks there's less work to be done on humanizing their features and making them less uncanny, yet still they feel human! season one of initial d 😭 The cars are horrible and ugly but there's a charm to them I just can't look past them sometimes the 86 looks perfect in almost evey scene however. There's pros and cons, it can take me out of the anime really fast if it isn't done just right and sometimes it can look amazing! Like the fight scene between broly and goku in super!! Attack on titan: final season, made me miss the 2d titans, the choreography was a lot better in the earlier seasons too I felt. The story helped me look the other way but rewatching that warhammer fight scene was painful!! Eren punching the stands looked so lifeless! His titan, which was usually the most emotive looked like a 3D model-- because it is.... I wish I could describe this better he just looks lifeless and less like a lifelike character that can respond to external stimulus and more like a clay doll which can only be posed at certain joints and has one or two extra heads that you can swap off. The lifelessness could be intentional but I can't help but miss the older scenes like eren transforming to fight annie for the first time! Sorry for the essay TL;DR: I think that we should accept that cgi isn't always great or always bad, people are entitled to their opinion of whether it's bad or not, it is just an opinion there is no right answer!

@janisir4529

Жыл бұрын

1 exception won't make a rule. And really the only thing that saved that, is that it DIDN'T try to look like anime. Also the CGI in live action Japanese movies is really bad too...

I feel like DJ4D is a really good example of the mix between 2d and 3d anime that looks really good

@Taj-px4uq

Жыл бұрын

In terms of animation and its blending. Yeah, I very much agree with this. Enjoyed D4DJ for that.

I really wish more people would watch Land of the Lustrous. It's fully CG and is amazing, it truly shows the true potential of CG. For people who are big fans of animation - they really don't know much about it.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. That anime is really awesome. Beastars, Knights of Sidonia, Ajin: Demi Human, Blame! and Kengan Ashura are other 3D anime that i like as well.

@derekhandson351

Жыл бұрын

@@onepresence9460 I'm glad someone mentioned Kengan Asura. Not the best cgi but it works with the show. Wouldn't have it any other way

@TheExtraterrestrial99

Жыл бұрын

Fully CG should watch Chinese one, Ling Cage Incarnation, Battle through the heavens(Three Years Agreement special), The Island of Siliang and more..

Houseki no Kuni is one of the most unique anime that has ever released and the CGI did it so much justice, the movement is so much more dynamic than 2D would ever allow. I really hope Orange releases more seasons because it's been 5 years since season 1

@TheOrange3Juice

Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad somebody mentions Houseki no Kuni. The animation style was so fresh, so novel. I had not even realized myself this was CGI until I read review comments. CGI can and **will** be good when done well.

@WhitneyDahlin

Жыл бұрын

‼️ I think Hollywood blockbuster movies are what ruined CGI for Western audiences. These arguments people make against CGI that they're directing towards anime, are actually true and valid arguments against using CGI in Blockbuster movies. Do you see what I mean? So many Hollywood movies don't have good writing they have terrible story, terrible wooden dialogue, and are counting on the special effects looking cool to keep people coming in. Such as the vast majority of superhero movies that have come out in the last 15 years and the new Star Wars movies. What percentage of all those would you say has an amazing story? Like a handful at best. So I think it's Hollywood that has made people viscerally hate CGI every time they see it. I don't think it actually has anything to do with anime.

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

Жыл бұрын

@@WhitneyDahlin those aren't valid reasons to dislike cgi in movies. the dc movies were bad because Zack Snyder but as for marvel how many had an amazing story the first like 18/20 movies did. and people have whined about cgi since it was invented, nothing to do with the super hero movies.

@splendidsimp

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Houseki no Kuni was what made me start adoring 3d cgi in anime. I could go on for 10 years about how well they adapted the manga into the anime just because its one of the most amazing anime i've ever seen

@WhitneyDahlin

Жыл бұрын

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 I was just using those as an example. They use pretty effects to make up for bad writing. The new Star Wars are the poster child for that. Also all of Marvel and 90% of other blockbusters. Sorry it's just my opinion. The average quality of movies Hollywood puts out now vs 20 years is drastically worse. The invention of CGI has made movies much worse because Hollywood knows people won't notice the dialogue if there are cool special effects. For every 1 movie that doesn't lean on CGI to hide bad writing I can show you 10 that do.

Arcane and Into the Spider-Verse are two of the most beautifully animated things I've ever seen. I love them so much! And I think Chainsaw Man looks incredible.

@adrianojv409

Жыл бұрын

Arcane and spiderman were properly made .. all the rest of CSM is good... Nobody hates 3d, reason why Jeff had to change the title of the video... People hate ugly looking CGI and this one it is, is not knights of sidonya bad but is not even dragons prince passable.... Make an exercise yourself, can this anime be watched entirely if all was animated like those fights? No, it will be berserk 2 (another good ip ruined), that's why this is not arcane nor into the spiderverse, is just a disrespect to compare them

@tracark2255

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianojv409 Japanese 3d artists are just not as skilled as western ones

@teslercoil5174

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen TRON:Uprising?

@hoangblox9991

Жыл бұрын

Honestly chainsaw man cgi kinda suck

@LyingLychee

Жыл бұрын

@@hoangblox9991 yeah, no one thinks CGI is bad since CGI can get great if done well, but the CGI in csm is definitely not it.

As a Zoids fan, I appreciate the early 2000s cgi anime defense.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

That’s the spirit 👌

"Look at the ONLY SEASON of Promised Neverland" You are a champion sir.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

The Promised Neverland deserves a second season. I loved the first one.

@Djfakman

Жыл бұрын

@@onepresence9460 *looks around* yeah... A second season... *sweats*

I still remember how after first episode Land of the Lustrous had score about 6,5 on MAL just because of it being full CGI.

@yennefer440

Жыл бұрын

But it's so beautiful 🥺

@ladyofthesith1943

Жыл бұрын

But it's so beautiful

@victoroliveira3577

Жыл бұрын

But It's so beautiful

@martarantella5982

Жыл бұрын

But it's so beautiful

@_weyhxx

Жыл бұрын

Wtf

I think the main complaint is actually the compositing but people don't have the correct language to explain it. The jarring feeling of one element standing out in something is what people really dislike. When everything blends in a scene, 2D and/or 3D, as long as its cohesive there tend to be less complaints

@Puerco-Potter

Жыл бұрын

The CGI stands out, and they are trying for it not to. That's the problem, cars have been cgi in anime for years and people don't notice. But the fluid animation in characters constrast too much with 2d animation for it to look good in my opinion. The last guilty gears actually are a good example of good integration, they reduced the frames of the animation and used a lot of other tricks to make the CGI have the same feeling of 2d.

@brycebeasley6900

Жыл бұрын

Yep

What ends up working best, in my view, is when CG takes care of mechanical or structural elements, and anything human or organic is hand-drawn. This works especially well with spacecraft and city shots, when you don't have to composite them together. Just my two cents.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Like Demon Slayer, Treasure Planet and The Prince of Egypt.

@novenbir5134

Жыл бұрын

Treasure planet’s blending of cgi and 2D animation still holds up wonderfully, ESPECIALLY Silver’s mechanical arm. it blends in so well that I can still forget it’s 3d

It's been a few hours since my viewing but I remember a point you've made about how animators had to figure stuff out (paraphrasing) and I couldn't help but mentally compare that to giving a chisel to a brilliant painter. Yes, the first artwork made with it won't be brilliant, however, the experience they have on their 2D platform will eventually shine on the new 3D canvas as they learn to make use of the tool. It isn't easy to apply something you've known all your life in 2D to 3D. But once it all clicks and the artist becomes used to the new tool, and the new form(s) they can create, it can be something to behold. Going from 3D to 2D is easier than the reverse, so many new options are on the table it can be daunting to try and get it even remotely right, especially to discerning eyes. People forget that very often. I'm likely not wording this as well as I could, or should, but still. This is my perspective on CGI use in anime or other works that heavily feature 2D.

I've literally seen people give up on Golden Kamuy just because of the CGI bear in the first episode even though it's dealt with and never seen again after episode 1. It's not even bad, look at the detail on its fur, like holy shit.

@agogobell28

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god, THIS. I 100% agree with you on this. The people who can’t get past that will never experience the glory that is GK otherwise.

@RazorPhoenix7

Жыл бұрын

a damn shame to miss out on GK just for that

@HydraBread

Жыл бұрын

Tbh I dropped GK for the bear too. It's not just realistic, it's photorealistic, and nothing else is, to the point where I was genuinely unsure if it was a joke at first. Glad to hear that doesn't pop up again, maybe I should revisit. In general I very much agree with the video and think that's a stupid reason to drop shows 90% of the time.

@Chas-OTE

Жыл бұрын

I admittedly still need to catch up on GK... But I the bear in the 1st season didn't really detract to how good I found it. Then again I'm not the kind of guy who judges anime based on what animation style or medium they use. I don't want to miss out on the fun just because of some weird prejudice.

@HaganeNoGijutsushi

Жыл бұрын

Fact: the CGI bear is not a good reason to drop the whole anime, since as you said it's a one-off occurrence. Also fact: come on, it looks like fucking ass though.

I know the subs vs. dubs thing was a small example used in the video but I gotta say, the modern anime landscape is so cool with this. There are English VAs I like and Japanese VAs I like, and I get to choose which version of the anime I watch based on the cast I prefer. That's a pretty unique position for a piece of media to be in.

@kerwinbrown4180

Жыл бұрын

I prefer subs because I am hearing impaired but dubs work for multitasking.

@WakkaMadeInYevon

Жыл бұрын

It's not always either an attention issue either, ie "dubs so you don't have to read." There are some shows I just think are flat out better dubbed. I grew up with the English cast of DBZ, and FMA:B is a classic example of this. Games too, if a game is set in Japan I will usually set the language to Japanese for immersion but I just can't detach my image of Persona 5's characters from their English voices. Dubs and CG are both a matter of utilization, who are the people working on it, how is it being directed, etc. And dubs have a LOT of restrictions, just look at what happens when a VA gets to dub a character that doesn't have a mouth. I also appreciate cheesy dubs for different reasons.

@Kraus-

Жыл бұрын

@@WakkaMadeInYevon Same. There are a few animes which I just prefer the English VAs for. Like FMA and Black Clover. If the sub and dub are both available when I start the first episode of a series I'll check out both for a few minutes to see which sounds better for my preference.

@bestdad1333

Жыл бұрын

Im German so I do This for every movie and series on the planet lol.

@beancheesedip8337

Жыл бұрын

@@kerwinbrown4180 I'm actually the opposite. For a long time, I was a bit of a sub purist (not gatekeeping, but definitely watched everything sub for myself), until my eyesight degenerated enough that I can't watch fight scenes and read dialogue at the same time, especially since colors blend too much for me now and I can barely read subtitles against certain backdrops. I've had to switch over to dub almost entirely.

I hate how people argue the CG debate for me it is a wholly personal thing that I will never push onto other people. I personally have an issue with CG because for some dumb reason my brain finds it very distracting especially in an anime setting. That doesn’t make it bad it just means it’s a harder barrier of entry to me. Just like how the art I love has a lot of barrier to entry for many other people. It doesn’t make it better or worse it is simply different and there is a lot of beauty in that. It feels very similar to how I feel about FPS games. I don’t enjoy games like Fortnite and MW2 (202X) because I find them to not be engaging personally. But obviously they are good at what they do. It’s just not what I want.

Here's the issue, CGI itself isn't the problem, it's the fact that it's easy to notice. Even chainsaw man it is very easy to tell when they switch between the two. The reason no one really complains about the effects and backgrounds is because it's hidden, its not the main focus and that it's a static image. The moment you put something up front, something to focus on it's usually in motion and the way CGI creations move is very easy to see. As mentioned the shows that do it best don't do it in an obvious way, because they hide it behind something else either the way it's framed or in terms of action scenes theirs just simply to much shit to focus on

@TKMezo

Жыл бұрын

Denji being bright as FUCK in episode 1 makes it so nasty. Its so noticable. CG cars are the worst too

@Mark-xw5yt

Жыл бұрын

Yes. So many people saying "yOu CaN't eVeN TeLl tHeRe's aNy CGi" like sorry but we can lol. I'm sure there are people who genuinely can't tell the difference between the 3d and 2d. But for a lot of us, it is painfully obvious 99% of the time.

@gamebond6248

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Can't believe that majority of people can be so dumb. They say CG is always used in the background but you can't tell them? Like...how dumb can you be!?

@ivanvoronov3871

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree. Cgi in chainsaw man broke my immersion so I didn't like it

@gundam7083

Жыл бұрын

@@TKMezo I am not even a cgi hater. I love the movements cgi brings and absolutely love beastars and dorohedoro. I personally believe if csm had just used better adjustments to the colouring and brightness, it would've brought the criticism down a lot.

I have to say, as an animator, that zombie fight scene in chainsaw man definitely had some rough, and partially awkward motion in the CGI department. The cinemetography, the shot composition and the posing were all amazing, but there was a stilt to some of the motion. I see where people could have issues there. HOWEVER! Chainsaw Man overall has the best, and most consistently good animation out of anything I've seen come out recently, and that is in part to the freedom of its CGI. Imagining drawing every turn of that chainsaw hurts my brain, and for the most part it blends in seemlessly with the background... But that first episode had me nervous. Just saying the people with issues with parts of that first episode are not completely, as you say "without eyes."

@Manganization

Жыл бұрын

Dorohedoro does this better if you ask me.

@PlaySA

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this. The CGI in Chainsaw Man, especially the first episode, was PRETTY bad in spots. I was a little disappointed. However the next few episodes have not actually had those jarring moments of CGI. And a lot of it is done well. Hopefully episode 1 was a bit of an outlier, and so far it looks like that might be the case.

@mharsontimatim9918

Жыл бұрын

Its more due to there complaints being so over the top. Like as if the bad portions in there are "the worst" 3dcg ever. Same thing with Bleach TYBW episode 1, when people dissed the 3dcg Hollows, when the cg Hollows looks more convincingly scarier and better than most 2d Hollows in the og Bleach

@mharsontimatim9918

Жыл бұрын

@@SteeleResolve yup, even the 2d bits in there also don't look that great either

@charpkun

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your insight. I think that for some folks, the still baffling choice of japanese cg houses to use limited animation frames for full cg models makes it more "jittery" even though the 2d animation around it is still using the same limited frames. As you say, the shot composition is great (ie the key frames) but the in between is not done generally by animators like it is with hand drawn, but by the animation engine of the cgi software, so it "feels" different. I will also like to point out, that there are people that watch shows on tvs with motion smoothing turned on. I know it is a preference for some (i personally think it is horrible, even if the tech has improved over the years) and it cannot "smoothen" scenes where limited animation was composed on top of full frame backgrounds, so it looks even worse on those. So while i disagree with the "without eyes" fighting words, i will have to admit that hard core anime viewers handle/dont see the flaws of limited animation in cgi, better than an average viewer, used to smoother 3d cgi of live action movies or western 3d animation and video game cutscenes. So i think it is a matter of misunderstanding terms. Animation is the act of drawing still models to move, this mappa does very very well. Animation smoothness is achieved by having more frames animated, more frames always equals more time/money to animate, regardless if it is human hands or computers. So on a tv schedule, even with a larger than usual budget like chainsaw man, corners need to be cut in the generation of frames. The time and energy is all spent in key frames so that things look good when it counts.

After holding off on watching Dorohedoro for like a year because it was "CG" I will no longer let CG stop me from watching a show. It was so damn good.

@zechariahsanders8273

Жыл бұрын

I still felt 2d would’ve looked better, but I’d have taken DRHDR stick figures honestly, it’s so good

@Vashy434

Жыл бұрын

Even bad CG that is unintentionally hilarious can be great when put in a show that is INTENTIONALLY hilarious. I will fight to the death for Golden Kamuys bad CG bear.

@kenmaru777

Жыл бұрын

Im still waiting for season 2 Story is good as fck

@janisir4529

Жыл бұрын

It didn't look good, and I didn't enjoy it either.

@Vashy434

Жыл бұрын

@@janisir4529 and not a single person cared about what you said this day.

i somewhat noticed the cgi when the transformation happened and a small part of me went "that looks kinda jank" but that part of me was shut out when denji started kicking ass, i really dont mind it as long as the choreography can keep my attention like it did in the episode 1 fight

I think when CGI is used as a stylistic choice, it can also be effective. The first anime I ever watched, Deltora Quest, based on a series of children's books by a Australian Author, making it the first 'Aussie Anime', Uses CGI for the Guardians of the McGuffin's, not because they are complex, but to show that they are different from other foes(and to pay homage to the book cover art). It was one of my favourite book series in primary school, and a decent anime that was not only shown on regular tv, but TAUGHT in schools about adapting media. Its a decent anime as well, if a little PG, but character design and growth is excellent, I recommend it too anyone wanting the feeling of getting home from school and watching cartoons

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

I love when they choose 3D CG as an artistic choice, rather than a cheaper way to make animation (Which is not entirely true). Arcane, Spider-Verse, The Mitchells and The Bad Guys comes to mind.

@YataTheFifteenth

Жыл бұрын

you made me remember a locked away memory. Thanks for that.

Lupin III the First is probably the first anime I've seen that perfectly captured the energy and artisanry of cel animation. And that film doesn't even TRY to look 2D.

@mothersbasement

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me a lot of what Tartakovsky did with the Hotel Transylvania movies

@kieranking7173

Жыл бұрын

@@mothersbasement Now you've got me thinking of a Lupin III film by Genndy Tartakovsky.

@PinkCrocodile

Жыл бұрын

And don't forget that Doraemon "stand by me" Did the same thing

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Lupin III the First was freaking awesome.

@Brasswatchman

Жыл бұрын

​@@kieranking7173 Wouldn't that be a hell of a thing.

My biggest complaint about CG, especially for characters, is that it seems to drive imprecise or lazy camera work that just hangs on the cg model without any reason to. As a person who draws comics it feels weird to draw a character from an angle that doesn't emphasize their actions and pose, but I see a lot of CG, even from good series, where the direction doesn't feel that precise or intentional.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

They should take notes on Spider-Verse, Arcane, Land of the Lustrous, Dorohedoro and Knights of Sidonia in how to do it right.

@teetheluchador

Жыл бұрын

A lot of modern anime i think suffer from things like this. Like the directors giving the worst shots possible for some reason

@connorbingel7134

Жыл бұрын

Some series do it better than others. I do think rotoscoping(I think that’s what it’s called) where you draw over a real person makes better animation particularly for dancing and poses.

@mikexhotmail

Жыл бұрын

Because 2d animation company lack the practical knowledge of how camera work in real live. ps. They let the 3d animater control those cameras at will without any real world "limitation" such as dolly track, body held camera rig or camera crane.

@lssjgaming1599

Жыл бұрын

@connor bingel from personal experience in my animation class for college, rotoscoping while looking really good is a pain in the ass to do and takes a long time to match the pose whether you're doing it in 2D or 3D. It looks fantastic but I can see why it's hardly used

Houseki no Kuni shatters CGI phobia. They manage to make CGI look beter than actual hand drawn animation. It's also a great story and holy crap does it get dark

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

What Studio Orange did with Houseki no Kuni was absolutely unbelievable. It’s their finest work imo.

@marsmons2118

Жыл бұрын

100% agree!! I hope we get a season 2 someday

@hokutology1718

Жыл бұрын

If you are after more of it, there is a fine 2D short you can find on KZread.

@eirzaa0429

Жыл бұрын

@@marsmons2118 considering Studio Orange is gonna be busy with their original take on Trigun and the final season of Beastars, I don't think Houseki no Kuni will ever get a season 2. At least not for the next 5-7 years

I think there's a bit of a misconception with this video- Most people are chill with 3D environments, it's the character models themselves constantly flipping back and forth between traditional and 3D that calls attention to itself and brings you out of the show. It's not even that it's bad, it's the constant fluctuating and obvious style change that takes you out of the experience. CSM does this well with rotoscoping, but there are still shots that distract and feel like they're from a different show.

@hypex4911

Жыл бұрын

Oh man, I have the exact same view on this... I would love to consider CSM close to being "perfect/ideal", but the fluctuations are just too off-putting and distracting for me as a somewhat of a nit picking person.

@wolfbrigade8042

Жыл бұрын

As far as I'm aware, Chainsaw Man hasn't used rotoscoping in a single episode yet (up to ep 9). The super realistic animations you are probably referring to are mostly done by a talented animator called Kouki Fujimoto who is an absolute master at animating life-like scenes all entirely by hand. He animated Denji and Power dancing in the opening, Makima and her two colleagues walking towards the warehouse in episode 1, Aki vs Katana Man and many many more. The only instances of rotoscoping being used in CSM to my knowledge are a few cuts of Power dancing in the 4th ending.

@mius.cereal

Жыл бұрын

I feel like you perfectly explained it the weird disconnected between random scenes being 2d to them being 3d in the next just highlights the cgi I don’t mind things like arcane where it is integrated so well and consistently (at least it looks consistent I have no knowledge on animation) but in most anime it’s just so inconsistent and it’s usually used for crucial scenes like fight scenes that include a lot of movement that would probably be too demanding for already overworked animators so at scene we anticipate most the art style just changes and we almost instantly get disappointed

@semaj_5022

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I never really got that "jarring effect" watching Chainsaw Man like I did when watching Black Summoner, for example. The transitions always felt really smooth and well done to me, and because some piece of every scene was always CG while others were always drawn, it all flowed really well for me visually. To me, having some visual elements in common between both mainly CG and mainly drawn scenes to link them together is the key to making the entire work flow smoothly and not pull you out of the experience. Hell, even the example of not doing it so well that I used, Black Summoner, at least tried to transition to the CG fight scenes bit by bit instead of all at once, so I liked that. It was just the difference in the feeling of motion and space during the CG fights was too great compared to the rest of the show. Personally I still enjoyed the series in spite of that. I think for me, with every year(or every season, really) CG is becoming better integrated and executed in anime and we're not too far off from when it just feels "right" like good hand drawn animation does.

A 35 minute long video about CGI and not even a mention of Aijin. That anime is ridiculously underrated...

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

I loved Ajin. The 3D CGI Animation was great in that Anime. Never knew and probably will never know why people didn’t like it.

@Jwg-gj7qs

Жыл бұрын

@@onepresence9460 I LOVED Ajin. I don't get why people complained about it either. Sure it may look a little janky but it looked fine to me.

@toonspies3015

Жыл бұрын

Aijin is amazing more people should watch it

@PramkLuna

Жыл бұрын

Ironic for me because mothers basement is the one that convinced me to watch ajin

@Juntou

Жыл бұрын

@@onepresence9460 On god Ajin was a great anime. I’m not really one who enjoys bad CGI in anime but Ajin’s fight scenes were so fucking cool that I didn’t even care

What's really funny are the people who don't realize how much of Chainsaw Man is CG but they'd never know. Also, I think CSM is doing some really unique compositing with a CG body and a hand animated face at times.

@notationmusical

Жыл бұрын

Also, most people don't know when CGI was actually used. Like, the zombies were CG, and it was SO GOOD because the were shadows used to create depth.

@notationmusical

Жыл бұрын

@Mark Ryan Francisco How so?

as somebody who plans on working in animation, this was a really fascinating and informative video. it's given me a lot of anime to look at for reference so thank you! even western feature-length movies praised for 2d animation have 3d to thank for certain parts (prince of egypt and iron giant come to mind, and like a lot of anime you pointed out, they've been made pretty early in the development of 3d). i myself was "anti-3d" growing up watching anime but when you really look at the shows that come out using it, it really is a matter of execution rather than any inadequacies with the technology today. it unlocks so much potential for animation as a medium and at this point im rambling. point is, with 3d animation the way it is today, whos to say we cant have steel ball run soon after stone ocean?

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It’s all about the execution. 3D can be just as good as 2D if you do it right.

15:00 Bringing up SAC is actually a really good example because yes, they did something that good in 2002, and then in 2020 they did SAC2045 with the cg naked flipping man scene that looked like some drunk teenager in the newgrounds basement threw together in source filmmaker in 5 minutes.

I think Star Wars: The Clone Wars shows this process you’re talking about really well. You can literally see their competency with the tech evolve over the course of the show to the point where the last season looks like a theatrical production. Also one of the big take aways I got from this video was that we need to start encouraging people to stop seeing art as a product and more as a process that we’re all participating in together! Idk I think maybe it could go a long way in making our community less divisive and more focused on having productive conversations

@abbycarroll101

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking about the Clone Wars and wondered if anyone would bring it up! The last season of The Clone Wars is gorgeous and so is The Bad Batch. Rebels is excellent too even thought the budget was lower. The animation did start out rough, but as someone who hated the art style before I started watching it, the recent animation is definitely some of my favorite!

@teslercoil5174

Жыл бұрын

And From a similar time period there is TRON:Uprising. Interesting mixed use of cell shaded animation and painted backgrounds in some scenes. Very strong use of light and shadows; cause I mean its TRON. Sick environment design. Good use of simple silhouettes for the character models.

@MaticTheProto

Жыл бұрын

agreed. Clone wars is one of the all time greatest shows for me

@shamu3990

Жыл бұрын

The whole video Geoff was going on how 2d was unfeasible due to financial realities (viewing the art as PRODUCT), so i don't know how you took that away from the video

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Man i love The Clone Wars so much.

Actually, i'm one of those people that found the CGI on ep1 awkward. But with all that they've accomplished with it on episode 2-4. I'm just a grateful power stand now

@RuinaLux

Жыл бұрын

This. The CG in the Zombie scene is genuinely not great. The problem that a lot of CG in anime tends to have is that you can see the bones in the character rig, so it looks rigid when compared to the 2D animation. The Zombie fight had a TON of that. Also, the neck of the Chainsaw head doesn't feel attached to the body because of how sharp the texture divide is between them. The Bat and Leech Demon fights were orders of magnitude better looking; it seems like they added a lot more smearing and warping which helped blend it with the 2D animation much better.

@portlandshomlessproblem1728

Жыл бұрын

@@RuinaLux agreed, but I also don’t understand why the cgi is noticeable in chainsaw man, but with the animation in jujustsu Kaisen if it uses CG at all you can pick it out, so why did mappa animate chainsaw man worse than JJK

@carloscauan7967

Жыл бұрын

​@@portlandshomlessproblem1728 Chainsaw Man is not "worse animated" than Jujutsu Kaisen at all. There is plenty of character acting animation that JJK doesn't have, and JJK itself had plenty of CG backgrounds that looked outright awful that took away from the 2D animation, something which Chainsaw Man fixes. Claiming that CSM is "worse animated" just because it uses CG models for characters is just being plain ignorant.

@jameswiken248

Жыл бұрын

That's good to hear. I've only watched the first episode so far and the animation during the zombie fight felt so weird and jarring. It honestly made me wonder what all the hype for the show was about. This is coming from someone who doesn't mind 3D animation in anime at all.

@joc6344

Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised he didn't talked more about the cg that people are complaining about and more on the cg in general. I've got absolutely nothing against it, but it did felt really awkward in that zombie fight. Especially the movement. I haven't watched the other episodes (and was in no hurry to watch them after that), but I'll definitely watch them soon then.

people have certainly overblown the CGI in chainsaw man you need to be honest with yourself, as much as i love chainsaw man its CG does become a bit distracting from time to time.

Thankfully, my first experience with CGI is Houseki no Kuni and my first experience with dubbing is Black Lagoon… And felt in love with them

@kenmaru777

Жыл бұрын

I liked berserk 3d It was my 1st time experience with berserk And now Im hardcore Berserk fan Story is Story Doesn't matter how animation is bad

I had friends who hated Knights of Sidonia because they couldn't "get" the CGI but I freaking loved it. Same with Blame

@stoops187

Жыл бұрын

Such a great show… I loved it

@frostfang1

Жыл бұрын

I think with some of that you just can't stand the style so there's no point in trying to get over it. Between knowing about Erin being annoying for the two seasons that were out at the time and the harsh bold lines and bold colors of AoT I refused to continue it beyond two episodes. I'm just never gonna get past how much it hurts my eyes. I don't think it's ugly, it's just...like an assault on the eyes, the way some people can't stand neon colors or really bright intense reds. There's even some elements I've heard of it that I think I *might* like, but it's just never gonna be worth it to me, unless I'm bored in a room with nothing else. There were other animes I wasn't sure I'd become accustomed to the style...one about leaves I think? That was super distinct, but eventually I was able to adapt and see past it. Same with Air and the weird large eyes and mouth positions.

@Brekner

Жыл бұрын

Well, you're talking a full CG series. Not really the same case as an anime that only uses CG for battle scenes :)

@jordinagel1184

Жыл бұрын

@@frostfang1 really? Bold colors? In AoT? In terms of style it’s one of the least offensive ones out there, and if that’s the only reason you’re refusing to watch it, you’re LITERALLY hurting yourself. It’s one of the best anime ever, period.

@ninjacreeper48

Жыл бұрын

Too bad people hate on Polygon Pictures for being a CGI studio.

The Lupin III: the First is probably the single best example of CGI characters that look and feel completely natural, it's certainly the best I've ever seen. They're all extremely detailed and obviously CG, and yet because the animators took great care to make the movements and facial expressions deliberately over-exaggerated, they still feel like the same cartoony characters from the original. I am a bit disappointed that it wasn't mentioned at all in the video (but being snubbed is nothing new for the series, no matter how great it gets), but I would really love to see some kind of follow up about just how good the movie is, specifically as an example of not just how to do CGI right, but how to transition an established 2D animated series over to 3D and have it still feel natural.

@YourheroSerene

Жыл бұрын

This right here ^^^

@Thesmus

Жыл бұрын

oh yeah, i have yet to watch that

@loturzelrestaurant

Жыл бұрын

Jeff is making a very simple Mistake here, hes overlooking an awfully-simple fat: IF Millions SAY there is a Problem with how something looks, there IS a Problem.

@spuhgeddy1084

Жыл бұрын

@@loturzelrestaurant people said that with jews and erm..

@zap4th368

Жыл бұрын

@@loturzelrestaurant there is also the issue that millions might not be saying it. Thousands might just be saying it VERY LOUDLY.

I love the CGI fight scenes, they do cool scene rotations and perspectives.

A bit disappointed that SANZIGEN's Black Rock Shooter wasn't mentioned not even once despite having jaw-dropping CGI action shots and character rendering all the way back in 2012. Steamboy is a treat to look at, had no idea people hated on it.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

I loved Steamboy. I didn’t know it was hated.

I’m glad you mentioned Daisuke and the Guilty gear team. The 3d models in XRD and strive are really good.

@adhdannyboy2037

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say this, the Guilty Gear team has made 3D look and play like 2D and it's fantastic.

@spiritdragon110

Жыл бұрын

IIRC they talked about how they were able to achieve that 3D imitating 2D quality so well at GDC, for example frame limiting to mirror hand drawn frame rates and adding deformations to mimic 2D smearing.

Honestly, the first genuine Anime that I fell in love with as a kid was Zoids: The Battle Begins + Zoids: Chaotic century, there was something about the awesomeness about the big animal mechs like Liger Zero that made me totally overlook the whole 3D wonky-ness of the early 2000’s. Rll, if it’s used well, blending 2D and 3D together in animation can really make a show shine! It’s this whole idea that’s made me go into 3D animation :D

@kringhetto

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't mind it with robots. Looks bad when it's Kaido from One Piece, or Denji.

@seagullman87

Жыл бұрын

@@kringhetto It honestly depends also on the design on the robots too. I loved Zoids as a kid, but I've seen plenty of mecha series in the last decade that relied heavily on CG for their mechs. Unfortunately, a lot of those series, realizing they no longer had to keep the design simple to make it easier to draw, ended up overdesigning their mechs with extra features and shapes that just made them unappealing to look at, even when translated back to 2D.

@TheDapperDragon

Жыл бұрын

Man, I really wish Zoids would come back. I absolutely love that series, and it's a shame it died with the mediocre Fuzors, and never got another season that I'm purposefully ignoring.

@accapaellass

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDapperDragon I don't like "zoids wild" but "zoids wild: zero" Is actually good. I was wondering why this got me back and it's because they got the old director of the first 2 series back!

@statesminds

Жыл бұрын

@@kringhetto funny im the opposite i like 2d mechs lol

I added this to my playlist called "Just Goated Queue tingz", still love this vid, lmfao, thank you Geoff (wish the genshin ad wasn't there tho x.x)

Shout-out to _Bocchi the Rock!!,_ whose audition scene demonstrates that even cheap (affectionate) shows can make CGI blend in with the rest of the show if the animators try. Cheap (derogatory) shows are SOL, but that's true whatever animation tech they use.

I always find 3D much easier to handle when it's in a full 3D production instead of going back and forth, but you are absolutely correct that the vast majority of the time it at least looks absolutely fine, and very frequently it looks much better than if the same scenes were animated in 2D. Arcane is of course the best possible example of how good it can get, there's no denying it is breathtaking. Although just looking at the Chainsaw Man clips I'm seeing in the video, and knowing how much this anime has been hyped up, I can understand some people being a little disapointed. It's still quite good, but there are moments it's not looking quite as good as I would expect. (This is just based on the clips in the video, I don't like that much gore so I'm not watching it myself)

@nathanlevesque7812

Жыл бұрын

The Chainsaw Man clips definitely have twitchy, jank animation

@randomperson8375

Жыл бұрын

There was no way any anime could have lived up to the hype Chainsaw Man was getting, so yeah I can also understand why some people were disappointed. Despite that though, I have no issue with its use of CGI. Admittedly I haven't seen very many anime, but out of the ones I have seen that make use of CGI Chainsaw Man uses it the best.

@laurenwasinger9436

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanlevesque7812 how much of that is down to compression for the KZread format though? Streaming it on Crunchyroll, I’m not seeing the jank

@feelingveryattackedrn5750

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I 1000% agree with your point. I think that childish-ness of a large part of the community might make it seem that the people complaining *HATE* cgi, but one of my favorite shows of all time is Houseki no Kuni (Land of the Lustrous) and that show has a very distinct 3d art style (CGI). Im sure it was jarring at first when I watched it but because it is consistent and helps to augment the storytelling (the characters are supposed to have very specific textures that are conveyed well in 3d) I wouldnt want it any other way now. That show to me was a triumph of innovative animation among other things. I do think chainsaw man look amazing and I haven't been nearly as bothered watching it since the first ep where the CGI really got called out, so the attacks on it are definitely overblown. But im also watching Bleach this season and its just.... so gorgeous. The effects in bleach are like a wet dream.

@gabrielsalazar9220

Жыл бұрын

i mean arcane uses 2D backgrounds and objects evrey once in a while but the people are 3d

Especially considering how poorly animators are paid in Japan, would you really want them to animate all of that machinery and complex angles completely by hand? As an animator myself who animates puppet in harmony and still struggles with complicated designs without the aid of models….yeah nah

@razumikhim

Жыл бұрын

then... pay them better?

@xxTC-96xx

Жыл бұрын

@@razumikhim honestly even if they were paid decently I still wouldn’t make them animate things that complicated by hand

@xxTC-96xx

Жыл бұрын

@@pukkandan ok you go animate a camera panning shot with a fully detailed mecha by hand while it’s fighting a multi headed monster without a single bit of CGI and tell me how it goes

@also4thebirds

Жыл бұрын

the real problem though is that they arent getting worked any less hard with CGI, theyre just being tasked with more. So it doesnt really solve anything.

@xxTC-96xx

Жыл бұрын

@@also4thebirds it just proves that having less CGI would be worse for them because they'd have to do even more difficult work for the same low pay

I think the problem people seem to have with certain CGI is about the integration of the CGI animation in the 2D environment. There is a disturbing steep between the fluidity (image per frame) of the 2D and CGI that is way much too fluid compared to traditional 2D. ex: when denji is breathing from a medium pov distance, in 2D, the image is not really moving. But in 3D, they make the animation with a lot of details in the movement to be realistic. And THAT is absolutely not natural according to me in the final product. It's obvious when you look at the difference between 2D and 3D playing musical instruments in anime. 2D is more "frozen" so 3D needs to reproduce it to be better integrated in 2D show (if it replaces a character only. because it's ok when it's special effects like in demon slayer) A way to solve the problem would be to voluntarily make the movement animation a bit less fluid to get closer to the 2D pace. And I do have observed that technique applied in some shows. I was totally ok to me and I hope the Japanese 3D animators will realize that very soon.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

I think they will realize that very soon 👍

04:09 "...Its fine most of the time. So fine you dont even notice it, and when you do notice it make a lot of anime look substantially better". I think this is the big disconnect between Jeff and a lot of CGI dislikers, myself included. If you can notice it, its a negative. If you can't notice it, then its CG done right. "Do it yourself" is a great recent example. most people didn't notice the CG, but I could tell, every time it zoomed in on a characters hand, it was a CG model and it was JARRING to see that animation shift. Was it bad CG?, no it wasn't. Did I like it? No, I didn't.

The Genshin Ad is actually kind of fitting when you consider the animated shorts made for Mihoyos older game, Honkai Impact. They just continuously get better and better with every new one and are honestly peak CGI Anime. Anyone reading this right now do yourself a favor and check out one of the new ones such as "Everlasting Flames" or "Because of you".

@mothersbasement

Жыл бұрын

Honestly the first time they contacted me to do an ad for Honkai is the fastest I’ve ever said yes to a mobile game company. I just saw it and was like “holy fuck, the people must know”

@nanhty8321

Жыл бұрын

My first interaction with honkai was one of the shorts (lament of the fallen) and I straight up thought it was an anime series, no joke I didn’t even realise it was cgi at the time cause of how fluid and good it was (since that was a time where cgi anime only had jank). Then when I played the game (after getting into Genshin) I straight up fell in love cause like wtf, this is so fucking good. As an anime lover and an entertainment design student (wanting to work in video games and animation) I had my brains blown to pieces, highly recommend checking out the animated shorts if you haven’t played honkai at all or even hate gacha cause these deserve that much praise

@beeaggro2593

Жыл бұрын

Same but with the Seele one

@fatmax2spew140

Жыл бұрын

All the fully animated cutscenes in genshin are just fantastic, everything is insanely smooth, dynamic, character animations are expressive as all hell, the effects are gorgeous and even the voice acting improves, it's so good

@TheMgutierrez

Жыл бұрын

@@fatmax2spew140 Hell, the quality of the recent cinematics/cutscenes of the just released 3.2 Archon (main story) is already if not at-level with honkai's but at least the cusp of it.

the amount of budget that Chainsaw Man got is insane for them to keep this quality up and give us brand new endings EVERY EPISODE.

@luan931

Жыл бұрын

They should've just do one ending and save the budget for something that matters.

@xnexgax2477

Жыл бұрын

Id rather the same ending and less cgi

@hangry3102

Жыл бұрын

@@xnexgax2477 Spoiler alert, They would've done the same amount of CGI regardless :) if you paid attention to the actual video you would've learned that the use of CGI goes far beyond simply saving time and budget in this day and age. It is literally the modern advancement into animes cinematography, and you bet your bum they aren't skipping out on it when it conveys the motion of a scene perfectly.

@hangry3102

Жыл бұрын

@@luan931 So basically you're saying, they should've dropped all of their professional choices and creative vision, just to appeal to you and your personal interests? Yeah right. Be thankful for what you have.

@xnexgax2477

Жыл бұрын

@@hangry3102 Great. Cant wait for it to not look like ass 99% of the time

Violent evergarden and land of the lustrous are my top picks for well done 2D-3D marriage

@matthewmuir8884

Жыл бұрын

Violet Evergarden is downright gorgeous. I can't think of a single moment in that show that didn't look anything less than amazing; sometimes it did look blurry to me, but that was entirely because of me tearing up (I can't think of a story that managed to make me cry more than Violet Evergarden did).

Thank you so much for including Metropolis!

The CGI advancements MAPPA has made with chainsaw man makes me so much more hyped for IF they do a dorohedoro season 2, because i can imagine so many scenes later in the manga that could be elevated so highly by MAPPA's style.

@portlandshomlessproblem1728

Жыл бұрын

But they can do great fight scenes without noticeable cgi, look at JJK

@carloscauan7967

Жыл бұрын

​@@portlandshomlessproblem1728 JJK had plenty of fights that used full 3D backgrounds and they looked absolutely horrendous.

@lebyandsmartiel318

Жыл бұрын

idk wtf is MAPPA's style I don't get this idea people have

@natcoolyeah

Жыл бұрын

@@lebyandsmartiel318 its cool and looks nice :)

@ethannewland3109

Жыл бұрын

@@carloscauan7967 It's kinda sad seeing people out here in the wild that actually have such shitty takes. Half the time I'm not sure if its bait or not. As said in the beginning of the video "Do you have eyes?"

If I'm not wrong, Mappa made an entire in-house CGi department around the time Chainsaw Man was in production. It looks great, and the stellar production in literally every other aspect of the show exemplifies it.

@mytimetravellingdog

Жыл бұрын

still don't put that frame rate up to stop it looking jerky though...

@ianpung1774

Жыл бұрын

Fucking thank you. I'm so tired of seeing Twitter users thinking they're clever for saying midsaw man

@jasonhunter2819

Жыл бұрын

@@mytimetravellingdog congrats on making a fool of yourself

@akamesama

Жыл бұрын

The video frustrated me. I really don't understand people saying to looks good. It ...doesn't. There is nothing wrong with CGI in anime (UBW, even GITS) but Chainsaw Man has issues. Like pans and translations don't seems to line up and it looks like the models are sliding.

@Grimnoire

Жыл бұрын

offtopic but what's funny to me is people in these comment sections use similar vocabulary and tones to the ones jeff uses in his videos. I think it's interesting maybe there's a general coalescing of thoughts and personalities that form this one behavior that each of you can agree on plus relate to... like making video essays! And anime! Also appreciating video essays... and anime...

I think most of the problem people have with the Chainsaw Man 3D use comes from the framerate during the fights, more specifically the frame rate of the characters. Because of it's clean shapes, most people need faster framerates to better solve movement, specially in a world where many people are used to game in 60 fps. It does seems off pace sometimes. I assume that what causes this uncanny feeling is that if you reproduce the same movement, with the same amount of frames, a 3D model falls into an uncanny valley because of how if perfectly goes through all the frames, while the 2D character can enjoy some warping of forms and changes of speeds that our brains solves better. You can see this effect a lot on those artists' posts of animation studies, trying to understand what's the best sequence to do an arm swing or a mouth movement. It's impressive how some small changes dramatically improve the final result, giving a much better fluidity, even if we're still talking about 3-6 fps animation. Of course, more fps directly means more rendered frames, which means more money, so there is no simple answer to that. And the vast sea of people with no will and/or vocabulary to properly portray their complaints doesn't help either.

Bravo!!! Sound analysis on CGI in anime. Without CGI to pull some of the weight for the traditional animation process there would be no way these studios could push out so many anime series we have come to love in a timely fashion. Also I loved the part with the CGI sin of 2016's Berserk. Feel like that was the only CGI that truly caused harm to it's work in a series. Though I still watched it, because the story itself & voice acting was still well done. You just have to close your eyes or squint to get through that one. 😂

The CGI in this show is “noticeable” for a few seconds or “a bit jank” for a few seconds at worst. If you’re _observant_ enough to see those flaws you should be observant enough to see what the show does really well, and it’s a lot. Great adaptation so far 👍

@angharad256

Жыл бұрын

I still can't see it. These are the same people who can lecture for half an hour at a stretch about True Black on a TV.

@ExeErdna

Жыл бұрын

@@angharad256 its how it's shaded and framerate issues. It looks off

@TheLumberjack1987

Жыл бұрын

the unfair thing about good CGI is that it's harder to spot the better it gets, so people will not appreciate most of the great work but immediately spot the bad

@Dysprosium66

Жыл бұрын

@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 i don't think its right to act like the visuals of episode one were *objectively* bad. Knowing that something is CG doesn't make it necessarily BAD CG. You can have a personal preference against CG but imma be real with you I fucking loved it the entire way through.

@lssjgaming1599

Жыл бұрын

@@ExeErdna the framerate inconsistencies tend to be the things that make me the most annoyed since it makes the CG element more distracting than jt otherwise would be when that issue is present

I wouldn't say that the CG looks bad in chainsaw man and it definitely doesn't ruin the show. I would say that the CG is noticeably distinct from the 2D and therefore breaks my immersion just a little every time I see it. The fact that it is well done CG helps but it doesn't completely negate the problem, minor though it is. The problem is not the quality of the CG, but the contrast between the cg and the standard animation style. The video game character example illustrates my point. I understand that there's probably no other way it could have been done, so I'm just glad they did as well as they did.

@richardblum3516

Жыл бұрын

@Tin Watchman I get that there was only one way they could have pulled chainsaw man off, I bet the whole animal would have looked much worse had they not used any CG. That said, I can't help that my brain experiences a slight dissonance when I see the character suddenly become Subtly 3D and start moving in a different way. I'm not saying the animators did a bad job, I think the fights look great. It's just an automatic response I get and I can see why it would bother people just a little.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

I think it got better by Episode 3.

I'm not a fan of it but it does good when the transitions are good which most of the time aren't and I feel like that's what kills it for most people. Few anime's have that great transitions like Demonslayer does it beautifully to the point where I almost didn't notice.

I was waiting for you to talk about Houseki no Kuni for almost the whole damn video !

My big issue with 3D in anime is that anime directors seem to have this bizarre notion that they need to delete/"cut" the frames on the 3D animation to "make it look like 2D", so it often looks out of place and shit: 24 FPS 2D characters moving alongside jerky 12 FPS 3D vehicles. This is especially noticeable in Polygon Pictures' work.

@agogobell28

Жыл бұрын

There are ways of implementing frame-skipping well, and there are ways of implementing it poorly. It isn’t a black-and-white dichotomy. There are action sequences in Kill La Kill that you’d never guess are CGI, simply because the frame-skipping is implemented so well and so seamlessly that one simply can’t tell at first or even second glance.

@hurricaneofcats

Жыл бұрын

The issue here is that the best CGi is almost (or completely) invisible. If you don't notice it, the studio did their job well

@Excludos

Жыл бұрын

My biggest gripe with Gen: Lock, same issue. They decided to switch between rendering on 1s and 2s (aka, in practice, 24 vs 12 fps), and it just looks jittery and horrible a lot of the time. Skimping on the framerate for artistic reasons is akin to the stupidity of locking a video game to 30fps and calling it "cinematic". It just looks bad; don't do it

@ExeErdna

Жыл бұрын

@@Excludos Yeah, they got to think "maybe because I like it, other people might not" janky frames are janky frames. If anything 2D can be droped a bit yet with 3D you have to speed it up. Slow 3D never looks good.

@rammycanales3784

Жыл бұрын

Thats not much of the problem as it is rendering light in the 3d object as well as making movement look great in lower frame rates to make it consistant since that uses smear frames to be even possible and smearing 3d stuff is just not easy

I actually didnt mind the cgi. It wasnt bad at all and the story( even in just the 1st ep) is really good. I enjoyed it so much and saw the pain, the sadness, and how denji is becoming better. I didnt even notice it was cgi at first and i still loved it

@airplanes_aren.t_real

Жыл бұрын

I preferred it on ep 3 with the bat devil, I was kinda sad because I expected them to use a different style of animation on specific devils like the darkness but looking back it's pretty good

@morgoth_bauglir

Жыл бұрын

@@airplanes_aren.t_real the darkness devil hasn't been animated yet though, and it probably won't be until next season iirc So who knows? Maybe they'll do it in a completely new and amazing wa

@airplanes_aren.t_real

Жыл бұрын

@@morgoth_bauglir hopefully, I've seen a lot of anime do this to differentiate between characters especially in horror, an example is made in abyss where they used a different shading style and frame rate for the monsters

I really appreciate you bringing this issue to a wider audience, many people have a misconception that cg is cheap bc no effort is put into it when in reality its cheap bc one good cg artist can produce a lot more work than one good 2d artist meaning less money at an hourly rate despite the fact that cg is a harder skill that takes longer to learn.

@wolftitanreading5308

Жыл бұрын

Yes but the Cgi levels are just boring and any jackass can become a chi artist, while 2d animation is actually art the worst 2d animated movie will be far better then the best 3d animated film

@MinecraftLD10

Жыл бұрын

@@wolftitanreading5308 That I call bullshit on, he even shows in the video the worst 2D animation examples in anime, and the best 3d animation beats that by a country mile. Seriously, if you want bad ( as in mechanically does not do its job ) 2d animation compared to 3d animation being bad ( same as the other, mechanically not doing its job ), then 3D will still beat that by being able to work in a 3D space that can use those maybe not to the right mechanical quality elements in the right fudging ways to get it to work right, and even then 3D has a limit to where it can be fudged before it becomes unusable, but 2D can go even further below that. As in for 3D, you have to put even a bar of quality into it before it will even mechanically work and exist, which is why 3D will never be worse than 2D unless made to look stylistically bad due to either incompetence, ignorance, or a rush in time taken.

@wolftitanreading5308

Жыл бұрын

@@MinecraftLD10 nah, as I said 2d is far superior the time the hard work and beauty of it compared to bullshit digital 3d that any half ass money with a keyboard can make. Especially animation from the past. 2d animation is quality while 3d is cheap bullshit

@MinecraftLD10

Жыл бұрын

@@wolftitanreading5308 I still call bullshit on your statement, have you never seen something like Iron Giant? Iron Giant is literally one of the main characters of the film and he is done in 3D, you can literally tell by how the materials work on him.

@wolftitanreading5308

Жыл бұрын

@@MinecraftLD10 have you not seen the road to El dorado, spirited away, Aladdin Alice in wonderland, Fantasia, mother fucking who framed Roger rabbit

I like that there was a genshin impact ad on top of a timestamp of a genshin ad.

Something I've found I love about Chainsaw Man's CGI is how you see the full motion of everything. Even the best looking 2D anime often show moments, not entire actions. A 2D Denji would lunge forward then cut to an extended still with minimal motion of the aftereffects of the hit. Very good, obviously, it's a classic anime action style, but there's an appealing grittiness to see an uninterrupted shot of him reeling back and tearing clean through a zombie.

@Crowald

Жыл бұрын

Cutaways are so goddamn annoying, I cannot agree more. There's so much happening in a single fight scene in some hand-drawn fights that they cut very minor pieces of movement or locomotion in-between to budget more or less time to a specific scene, especially in fights. It's annoying whenever there's a cut in the movement at the last second right before an impact. They decide to just put the perspective behind the enemy's back; show a sword jammed straight through their body instead of the entire motion of the character charging forward and drilling the blade into their chest.

@Revealingstorm.

Жыл бұрын

Most of the zombie devil fight isn't even cgi

@whispertk1789

Жыл бұрын

You get to see drag and weight of motion that unless you dump literal millions of dollars 2d animation cannot compete.

I remember my first reaction to noticing the chainsaw man was a 3d model in that fight in episode 1, it was "oh yeah, they're definitely not redrawing that head, good on them", and then it was "damn that was an awesome fight"

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

I had the same reaction too 😅

Thank you for these glorious anime mentions, did not even know Steamboy, gotta see it now.

this man legit referanced voices of a distant star and i felt my middle school self rise up in joy. i love that movie and i about burned out the rented copy i had, i watched that movie so many times. also, seeing dark cloud and tales of syphonia refrenced as well, makes my brain very happy.

One of the more recent examples of the sub vs dub argument getting put to rest is kaguya sama. Having a character like the narrator having a different personality altogether depending on which one you watch, gives each their own charm, and also makes it so that people who may only watch sub, or dub, have a reason to watch the other.

@TheThirdFlyingPig

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with this. As another commenter mentioned, I also watch anime with a friend who is dyslexic and struggles to read subtitles, so we watch anything together dubbed. 5 or 10 years ago I would struggle through watching anime with an dub-only friend, but now on top of the general improvements of the dubs I can't wait to watch kaguya sama in english with him after originally watching it subbed.

@mdv9831

Жыл бұрын

Honestly with kaguya sama its worth watching both sub and dub. The narrator has different and both wildly entertaining personalities

It was really funny to see people complain about the cgi zombie devil fight in CSM ep 1 just for MAPPA to come out and show that it literally wasnt cgi

@_weyhxx

Жыл бұрын

Yeah fr. The only thing that "bothers" me was the transformation scene with the camera moving from bottom to top. I think it looked a bit dull. But that's literally only 5 seconds of 20 min godlike animation.

@Revealingstorm.

Жыл бұрын

I watched it on a large 4k tv the second time around, and it really isn't cgi for most of the fight, which astonished me. Makes all the angry typing about it online so much funnier.

@sagesmukler9383

Жыл бұрын

That fight had cgi, it just wasn't cgi the whole time.

@Revealingstorm.

Жыл бұрын

@@sagesmukler9383 most of the time. There's a few shots where he's standing around where it's obvious, but anytime there's any action going on, it's hand drawn.

@sagesmukler9383

Жыл бұрын

@@Revealingstorm. yeah, it definitely stuck out like a sore thumb. Every episode since though has been chef's kiss with the blending.

I really thought this would be a tired discussion but you named like a dozen animated projects I haven't seen and made points alongside examples with visual aides. MB is a v good YT channel.

I really appreciate this review. CGI can be a beautiful tool in the animation arsenal. And just like any tool, it can be used with skill or like a crayon in the hands of a toddler… going up a nose.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate this too. I love 2D don’t get me wrong, but 3D is also really good. Too bad it gets lots of hate.

The problem with CGI is that it is very hard to get right and very easy to get wrong. One of the best examples is probably the Gundam series and you can see it grow and evolve over time from the days of the first appearance of the Freedom. I felt there were huge improvements in Try Fighters and the recent Mercury. I felt God Eater did an okay job with their CGI too. This is what you can do when you CGI it right. However, most of the time, you end up with CGI wrong like in Knights of Sidonia or the more infamous Berserk.

While you were discussing how well CG can convey motion, speed, gravity, and weight re: cars and racing, my immediate thought was "oh man, I watched a flying anime that had the MOST realistic flying I've EVER seen, as an aviator myself. I wish I remembered what it was called!" so when you brought up Magnificent Kotobuki specifically to highlight its incredible dogfights, I practically stood up and cheered! Not just the animation, but the sound design and everything is perfect, you can practically FEEL the Gs they're pulling with their maneuvers. Thank you for highlighting it and reminding me to pick that back up!!

@pgmr6304

Жыл бұрын

This is so wholesome i love it

Yo who was doing the voice over for the comments? That was lovely lol.

Beastars made me a believer in fully CG anime because it’s absolutely gorgeous and not distracting.

@FredMaverik

Жыл бұрын

Houseki no Kuni from the same studio is even more impressive.

@AkiDave

Жыл бұрын

@@FredMaverik I’m adding it to the list , Studio Orange is GOATED. Can’t wait for Trigun

something I've noticed is that the framerate of a lot of cgi seems lower than its accompanying hand animation. Chainsaw Man definitely has this effect. I don't know if the framerates are actually different or it's just an illusion of presentation, but I would like to see AI smoothing between cg frames or a higher cg framecount--it costs processing time but not labor, so the added cost is a fair bit less than hand drawing more frames. I wonder if it's because of all the tricks like "smearing" that hand animation uses, while cgi just uses direct movement.

Damn, wasn't expecting Steamboy to be talked about so much, still one of my favorite animated movies

@telzen8774

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and I always though it looked great, didn't know anyone hated on its cgi.

@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley

Жыл бұрын

It looks gorgeous! Like seriously, love the steam and cloud animations. I'd never heard of it until now, really need to find a way to watch it.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

That animated movie is incredible.

22:13 thats right everyone. The Promised Neverland had the best and only season of anime period. Hopefully season 2 when they cover it covers all of Goldy Pond. The arc every TPN wants to see

I'm 1 and a half minute in and I can already tell this is about to be one of my favorite videos.

@onepresence9460

Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah 🤝

One of my biggest gripes is how CGI is viewed not only in anime but also movies is how people for some reason view it as only being good as a measure to cut cost and time, and that traditional means (hand drawn visuals or practical effects) are more stunning by default. In the end if CGI was given the time and money of more traditional means it would be just as stunning

@thebigo3752

Жыл бұрын

That first transformation was horrible, and jeff is so mad that the haters are actually right

@royalfun1031

Жыл бұрын

@@thebigo3752 Doesn't bother anyone

@anhilliator1

Жыл бұрын

@@thebigo3752 so cg is always bad no matter what

@BigFry9591

Жыл бұрын

That's what it's mainly used for, that's why. Generally CG is used to save on time and money. It takes longer and costs more to do things the longer and harder way, when you can just use CG for pretty much anything and call it a day. It's the duct tape of filmmaking. It doesn't look the best, but it works. And it's cheaper and faster to apply.

@thebigo3752

Жыл бұрын

@@anhilliator1 cope

My biggest fear, as well as the fear of many others, I suppose, is that anime is already an industry that prioritizes efficiency and quantity over quality. Now imagine if the use of CGI becomes more accepted by the fans; that most likely will translate into more anime, but as we already well know, more anime airing each season does not equals better quality. Soon after, every season we will be invaded by a new wave of mediocre stories with mediocre adaptations, each one bigger than the last one, similar to what happened with movies and videogames.

@notationmusical

Жыл бұрын

I mean, doesn't the anime community also prefer quantity over quality? How many times have you heard fans wanting another season of an anime that has not been released yet? But tbf, western anime fans don't really affect anime studios (to an extent).

@stoops187

Жыл бұрын

You have a good point actually

I'm a 2D and 3D animator and i totally understand where people are coming from! The CGI during the fight scene was very stiff, and when I watched it, I didn't feel the power or energy behind the movement, it wasn't believable to me, and it felt quite out of place. The model however looks great! The way his body and head was modeled and painted looked just as good as the 2d version. To be honest though I actually felt a wave of disappointment when I first watched the CGI segments, i genuinely thought something like " i hope they do better with the CGI before the major fights in the series, otherwise ill probably just read the manga". Everything else animation wise is so so so so stunning and beautiful, and I can't wait to get more of it!! There are only 2 examples of CGI in anime I've seen. One of them was Land of the Lustrous and that was amazing! The fights, the textures for the crystal in their hair, just everything flowed so well together. The second one being JOJO's bizzare adventures, specifically the CGI intros. Those are LITERALLY SO GOOD!!! I have absolutely no complaints about that either. Mixing 2D and 3D can look amazing if used right, like in Arcane, how the characters are in 3D, while effects like fire, electricity etc. are 2d animated, and backgrounds are painted! Or how many mainly 2D animated shows use 3d environments for dynamic camera movements that fit seamlessly with the rest! I've never wrote a really long comment before so sorry if my thoughts are jumbled but i hope i get my point across :D

@zloobz8835

Жыл бұрын

ALSO Breath Of The Wild Has great 3D animation in an anime style, forgot to mention