[CFD] How Fine should my CFD mesh be?

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A simple method for assessing how fine a CFD mesh should be in the wall normal direction to ensure that the boundary layer (wall shear stress) is computed accurately. The following topics are covered:
1) 0:40 How small should y+ be for an accurate solution?
2) 5:50 How small should my cells be to ensure that I achieve the target y+?
3) 16:43 What can I use for a good initial guess?
4) 16:57 A FREE, EASY TO USE CALCULATOR!
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    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @KToMmi
    @KToMmi2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you once again for your top quality content. As a follow-up to this video, will you ever consider to discuss best practices for adaptive mesh refinements (strategies, criteria, and useful thoughts)? They should pave the way to the best of both worlds - computational efficiency of coarse meshes and best accuracy of fine meshes.

  • @TahsinEngin-Akademi
    @TahsinEngin-Akademi5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation again. Thank you for your contribution to the CFD basics.

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, i realise this video is really a CFD basics video. But it is often overlooked and not really explained well for beginners. Hopefully this will be a useful resource for beginners to have a quick look at and set them on the right path. Thanks again for your support!

  • @TahsinEngin-Akademi

    @TahsinEngin-Akademi

    5 жыл бұрын

    This is what exactly makes you different, being simple yet precise. CFD is currently an essential tool not only for graduate students, but also undergraduate engineering students, as well as practicing engineers. From this point of view, your contribution is unique, since it covers both basics and advanced topics. You are expected to make a lesson on the turbulence models, their performance on some prototype problems.

  • @smailhamidatou367

    @smailhamidatou367

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 hi sir if we worked by the K Omega model, Do we need to define the Y + or no?

  • @michelletramper3025
    @michelletramper30253 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for all the clear videos! I'm working on my master thesis and I'm using FLUENT, but your videos really make me confident about my understanding regarding all the background theory and such. You're a true lifesaver at the moment haha. :) Wish you the best!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Michelle. Best of luck with your masters thesis

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    @michelletramper3025

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Nasim I really appreciate it 😊

  • @Lilian13550
    @Lilian135505 жыл бұрын

    Aidan : *does a phd in the one of the best university in the world, weekly creates video about complex CFD concepts* Also Aidan : 'meme generator is my only bookmark lol' More seriously, very nice video once again (y) It is good to know/be remembered these stuff, but focus should really be put on few regions as in practice, a ''proper'' y+ check is never really applied, or is it? For example, a proper y+ check is not possible in turbomachinery. It would need to be done at all flow rates, and if you try different designs, it will take weeks. Keep up the good work, that's amazing!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hi Lili An, yes well spotted 😂 you are right. Carrying out proper y+ checks is rarely done in practice and is particularly important for turbomachinery and external aero applications. Hopefully this video pushes everyone in the right direction for how to start their y+ and mesh checks.

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Oh and for flow rates, you can always choose the high rpm/high speed case for your y+ checks, as the boundary layer will be thinnest and your y+ values will be largest (for a fixed mesh). As you drop the speed, the boundary layer thickens and y+ will reduce, improving your solution accuracy.

  • @Michallote

    @Michallote

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 hey I love your videos, they really allow me to grasp some concepts in a way no textbook can. Just to hear someone explain plainly and directly to me is so helpful. I wanted to ask how do external aerodynamics y+ is verified and how does it affect lift and drag predictions

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    The trick is to think of y+ as 'the height of the first cell off the wall'. So yes, y+ has been looked at extensively in the field of aerodynamics and it is generally accepted that y+ ~ 1 gives accurate results. However, you can still get errors from other sources .... mesh refinement isn't everything!

  • @frictionless
    @frictionless5 жыл бұрын

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  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Im glad you found this channel too! My aim is to put out lots of extensive videos for all areas of CFD, as it is quite a difficult subject to get into, particularly for beginners :) just drop a comment if there is anything you are unsure about or need more information/explanation

  • @frictionless

    @frictionless

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Thanks for your reply. Can you please make a video about boundary layer separation? Why does recirculation happen? why and when we should care about the separation of boundary? Does it matter in internal flows?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Sure. As a quick explanation, separation and recirculations lead to additional pressure drops in internal flows. This increases the pumping requirements to drive the flow through the system and can lead to unsteady loading/vibrations in the supporting structure. So generally, we would like to avoid unnecessary separations! I hope this helps

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    Watching all the videos from series... They are too good and level of presentation is awesome... On this same video note, could you please make a video on Mesh Convergence Criteria as this is one of the guiding criteria for Mesh

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    2 жыл бұрын

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    5 жыл бұрын

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  • @sagar11222
    @sagar112223 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. This video was very useful for understanding the inflation layer. I hope you will disscuss other meshing variables(global and local mesh) as well. What should be the element maximum size and minimum size(its in global element seed in icem) ? Is there rule or formula for calculating them for different parts like runner of francis turbine or draft tube?

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    @PhD_Kim19913 жыл бұрын

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  • @simaomateus5819
    @simaomateus58192 жыл бұрын

    Love your work! However I believe I've found a small mistake in slide 6, in the skin friction coefficient formula. The 6.5 should be 0,65, I think. Please keep continuing producing these high quality videos with high quality explanations! Thank you!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep, thanks for sporting this. A lot of people have noticed the typo. Guess I need to be a bit more careful with my equations ...

  • @alanghi2242
    @alanghi22424 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Aiden. excellent video. I would like a video about the SIMPLE, SIMPLEC and Coupled Differences

  • @alanghi2242

    @alanghi2242

    4 жыл бұрын

    Do you have a tentative date for the 3rd book? I would like to buy them all together. do you ship internationally? greetings from Argentina

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Alan, i am just putting together the video on PISO and PIMPLE. It should be done next week. The third course is taking me a bit longer to put together, as it is a lot more challenging! I would expect it in the new year (2020). The courses are come as PDFs with excel and python source code, so you can get them anywhere in the world 😊 ive always wanted CFD to be available to everyone, no matter who they are or where they are from. So ive tried to make everything (the youtube videos and courses) so that everyone can get access to them. Its the only way we are going to do better CFD and build a better world 😊

  • @bideshsengupta9455
    @bideshsengupta94552 жыл бұрын

    Hi! Thanks a lot for your teachings. I would like to know the theory behind overset grid. Can you kindly make a detailed lecture on it? Thanks a lot.

  • @Arseniy_Afanasyev
    @Arseniy_Afanasyev Жыл бұрын

    Nice idea to make a web site with all formulas. I hope there are summaries of all the other videos reliased later

  • @billtonvitus7834
    @billtonvitus78345 жыл бұрын

    Great video, Aidan! The part where you mentioned about the residuals and point convergence really sparked my curiosity in checking solution convergence. I've always considered comparing solutions from historical data to validate convergence/solution. Like I would only check if the Cl and Cd values match for an airfoil and never cared much about the other residuals Can you please add a video about solution convergence to the list of videos you're going to make? Thanks in advance!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes that is a really good idea. I can see where you are coming from. Particularly with aerofoil data, you are usually comparing to values in the literature and experiments so we usually use these to check for convergence. For other cases you may not have any literature or experimental data for checking and we need to use everything we have to check convergence (point probes, residuals and flux balances)

  • @billtonvitus7834

    @billtonvitus7834

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Thank you and yes not always do we have data to compare our solutions to! Really appreciate you responding to each and every comment on your videos!

  • @nazimtheexplorer9512
    @nazimtheexplorer95123 жыл бұрын

    Great content. I would love to know more about how to chose the correct turbulent model for any given geometry

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Best thing to do is compare to experimental measurements. The closest agreement is probably the best model to choose. If you don't have any data, choose a test case that is similar to your simulation which does have experimental data available 👍

  • @carlosmraposo96
    @carlosmraposo963 жыл бұрын

    Hi Prof. Aiden! Really good video, this is nice to view and remember the bases. Btw, there's a typo in your formula of Cf of Schlichting. It's 0.65 not 6.5. Continue the great work!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    I know! So annoyed about the typo 😂

  • @christosvasiliou219
    @christosvasiliou219 Жыл бұрын

    i did the calculations on matlab, and the yh value i find is different to the one on the calclulator (1.5^10-4 vs 3.2^10-4 on the calculator of yours). Can you help me understand which way to go? By the initial guest of the calculator, or by the value i found from by the equations you explain on the video? Also you say initial height but the symbol is yp so whats really the number we get from your calculator? btw you are very helpful, glad i found your channel

  • @aurelianobuendia6937
    @aurelianobuendia69373 жыл бұрын

    W8, does your online calc spit out the yp value (wall-centroid distance) or the cell height (2*yp)? Btw I ve been watching whole lotta videos of yours lately, keep up the good(great) work there. Really appreciate it man edit: I ve been wondering, why not fully resolve the b.layer by adding many grid layers around our body instead of modelling with wall functions? Is it just a matter of computational time?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yep the calculator should give you both. Yes, in an ideal world we would always fully resolve the boundary layer but sometimes it is too expensive so we are forced to use wall functions

  • @newyorkbrooklyn987
    @newyorkbrooklyn9874 жыл бұрын

    Just excellent and i am really impressed by the quality of your presentation ! , please i have question how to estimate the Y+ for natural convection case inside square cavity since we don't have velocity to calculate Reynolds number ! thank you so much again

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Leila, what i would do is make a really coarse grid first in 2D. Go with maybe 50 by 50 cells. It should run in a few seconds. Then look at the solution and see what the velocity and y+ are. You can use this as a starting point for your full grid. As a rule of thumb 10^-3 usually seems to give y+ of order 100, while 10^-5 seems to give y+ of order 5 for many flows. See how it goes 😊

  • @newyorkbrooklyn987

    @newyorkbrooklyn987

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Thank you so much , please is it possible to give me your e-mail , i have some questions about convergence in 3D vented cavity (mixed convection) under turbulent regime with Fluent . thank you so much again !

  • @jeannesasso7396
    @jeannesasso73962 жыл бұрын

    Hey! first of all thank you for all your work, it's helping me a lot ! And I have a question, I can't find your calculator for Y+ in your website, have you delete it since ?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    It should be there. If you go to 'Tools' and look for 'inflation layer calculator' it should be there 👍

  • @joserendon1025
    @joserendon10252 жыл бұрын

    Amazing as always. If I have a number of elements limitation of 512k, and I am required to run a CFD simulation of a multi-element wing. How would you suggest targeting and achieving the y+ value? Where do I make compromises, on the virtual wind tunnel dimension? On the growth rate? Thank you for the super informative presentation.

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    You are going to have a tough time with a limit of only 512k! I would recommend trying a 2D simulation first, with a very fine mesh (all 512k) and then reduce the cells in your 2D simulation to see how innaccurate it gets. Once you have a level that you are ok with, then use those same settings on your 3D wing. You will probably need to reduce the upstream and downstream lengths, increase your y+ all the way up to ~200, increase the growth ratio to 1.2 and reduce the number of cells along the span. It will definitely be innaccurate but doing 2D first should get you a good idea of how innaccurate and you can quantify this limitation in your report 👍

  • @hatimmounib745
    @hatimmounib7454 жыл бұрын

    Really great video, I also seen your previous videos on wall treatments, but I still have a confusion on the good targeted value of y+ itself, (or y* since you said in a previous video that Ansys Fluent uses y* instead of y+), so do I get from all the previous videos that the y+ (y* ?) value should always be under 1 ?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    If you can get y+ and y* under 1 that is best. However, if your mesh quality is too low or your cell count is too high then you can relax this and choose to either have y+ 30 👍

  • @hatimmounib745

    @hatimmounib745

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 okay thanks a lot

  • @user-fw4wh9po7p
    @user-fw4wh9po7p3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, Aidan! one question: when I use the formula in video to calculate "yp", my result is different from the result of your web calculator. and i find the Schlichting skin-friction empirical formula is different with what i find in the cfd-online y+ calculator. In Schlichting skin-friction correlation, there is a "0.65' rather than "6.5". and i love these videos, Thank you!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ah yes, i think i made a typo here! Well spotted 😄

  • @christosvasiliou219
    @christosvasiliou219 Жыл бұрын

    the y* that comes from the post processing, its in a form of graf or a range of value (0-x). how can we extract a number out of the range or out of the graph, so we can then relate it to the initial guess ans then refine the mesh in order to match it ?

  • @valentinamarletta6531
    @valentinamarletta653111 ай бұрын

    Hi Adrian! First of all, your videos are awesome and extremely detailed and well explained so thank you for that. Second of all, i am currently working on CFD simulations on aerofoils with surface roughness and i am having trouble to select the target first element length using the y+

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    11 ай бұрын

    Remember: these calculations are all estimates. If your CFD simulation says that y+ is much larger than 1, then you need to refine your mesh and try again! For example, if y+ = 5, then reduce your first cell height by a factor of 5 (and adjust the growth ratio and number of layers of course) and try again. Usually you can get the y+ you want with about 1 or 2 re-meshes, so it doesn't normally take that long

  • @Honigbaron
    @Honigbaron5 жыл бұрын

    Great video, thanks Aidan! I still don't understand how to decide, if I should put my y+ in the viscous sub-layer or the log-law region? Wouldn't I always put it in the log-law region because it reduces the number of cells I need?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hi there! If you can you should always try and put your cells in the viscous sub-layer (y+ < 5) as you will get a more accurate solution. The log law model gets less accurate under adverse pressure gradients, strong curvature and separation. However, we sometimes have no choice and cant put our cells in the viscous sub-layer as the mesh would either have too many cells or the aspect ratio/skewness is so high that we cant get a stable solution. Oy under these conditions should be we use a log law model. I hope this helps :)

  • @Honigbaron

    @Honigbaron

    5 жыл бұрын

    yes! thank you very much!

  • @davidizquierdo8769
    @davidizquierdo87694 жыл бұрын

    Hi Aidan! I have just discovered your channel and I wanted to tell you thank you, I really enjoy and learn from your videos. I also wanted to ask you something: for a geometry such a Formula Student car, in order to get the reference geometry L to then obtain the Reynolds number (then used to obtain c_f), which reference would you take? The whole car length? The chord length for each of the wings? Thank you, kind regards!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great, im so glad you found the channel and have learned a lot! For your formula student car, it depends what you are interested in. If you want the drag coefficient of the entire car, then use the length of the car L. For the aerofoils, if you want the downforce, then use the chord length of the aerofoil. You can use a different reference length for each parameter you study! But im going to guess you are using Fluent ... for the reference length for the simulation setup just use the length of the car. This is just a convergence monitor and so it doesnt really matter as long as you get convergence 👍 hope this helps!

  • @davidizquierdo8769

    @davidizquierdo8769

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Thank you for your rapid and complete answer! I'm using OpenFOAM, but yeah, that is exactly what I wanted to know. Thank you!

  • @hulala6097
    @hulala60972 жыл бұрын

    Hey Aiden. In the previous "what is the difference between y+ and y*" video, you mentioned that we should use y* to minimize the computational cost. Then in the real world task, should I do the initial y+ guess as you showed in this video and assume y+ =y*?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes!

  • @gabrielpichorim8191
    @gabrielpichorim8191 Жыл бұрын

    The first guess for supersonic flow in an airfoil is fine when assuming the cf formula showed in the video? I think there are better alternatives but you said this first step is a guess anyway, so does it really matter what formula for the shear stress I use?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    Жыл бұрын

    As this is a first guess, it is probably fine. You are really just looking for the order of magnitude of the cell thickness. Should I use 1e-4, 1e-5 or 1e-6m?

  • @kaungmyat7290
    @kaungmyat72904 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your tutorial! According to your vedio, I understands that the desire y plus should change until the result in post processing that are agree with experimental results. if I dont have experimental results, how should i choise for the best desire y plus?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    If you dont have any experiments, try and get y+< 1. This is the most reliable. Y+ < 5 is usually fine as long as you dont have separation/impingement 👍

  • @hyoung-hokim9164
    @hyoung-hokim91642 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your really nice content. I have confused on slide 12. Dose an initial cell height mean the yH or yp? Because you mentioned that yH is the height of the first layer in your content ([CFD] Inflation Layers / Prism Layers in CFD). When we make the inflation layers, height of first layer(yH) should set up double 1st Cell Height(yp), shouldn't it? Thanks.

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes exactly! The first cell height is yH, but the centroid height is yP. Be careful with your mesh generator. Mesh generators normally specify yH, whereas the y+ calculations are based on yP.

  • @shauryambasu4211
    @shauryambasu42117 ай бұрын

    Hi Dr. Aidan, In case of a 3d wing , can we use the Mean aerodynamic chord for the calculating the Reynolds number?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    7 ай бұрын

    Yep 👍

  • @pietrofion6708
    @pietrofion67082 жыл бұрын

    Great video! How you choose target y+?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you have a 'difficult' flow, like separation over the back of an aerofoil, natural convection driven flow from a hot surface or an impinging jet, then go for y+ ~ 1. If your flow is close to flow over a flat plate or an isothermal pipe flow then you can be more relaxed and go for y+ ~ 30. In general, if you are unsure, try for y+~ 1.

  • @Ma_1125
    @Ma_11255 ай бұрын

    Great video. Just wanted to ask if the last term in the Schlichting equation should be 0.65 and not 6.5

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 ай бұрын

    Yep it is a typo

  • @inkwizytor84
    @inkwizytor84 Жыл бұрын

    Hello Aidan, this is a great content. I have a wuestion. Once we set up a first layer height, how many inflation layer we should use, what should be the total height for sum of inflation layer until we proces witth lets Say with normalna hex mesh.

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    Жыл бұрын

    Great question. I have a video titled 'Inflation Layers' which should give you the answer to all your questions ☺️

  • @killua9369
    @killua93695 жыл бұрын

    Amazing as usual!!! Do u have an idea how to map boundary condition from one case to another? Because I want to generate a turbulence profile at the inlet of a pipe in OpenFOAM, so I already have this profile as outlet to another case and I need to map it as an inlet

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Ahhh yes, you can definitely do this in OpenFOAM. I cant remember exactly how to do this, as it changes with which version of OF you are using. I think it might be ‘mapFields’ or something similar...

  • @killua9369

    @killua9369

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Thank you very much

  • @robertodalessandro753
    @robertodalessandro7532 жыл бұрын

    Hello. Thanks for this great video. I have a doubt: I have a cylinder (660mm diameter and 300mm height) on an external flow (55 m/s), and I need to calculate the drag force. I draw this on 3D and if I want a y+

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    Your Reynolds number is high, so you will always struggle to get the right answer with RANS. A cylinder at high Reynolds number is actually one of the most challenging cases for CFD codes, even though the problem looks so simple. You also have a 3D cylinder, so there will be interactions with the shedding along the length of the cylinder. Very difficult to get right. I think you should start with some very careful validation in 2D and look at different meshes, wall treatments and turbulence models first before doing 3D (by comparing to experiment). You will need to be very careful as it is easy to get a very wrong answer for this type of simulation .... Good luck!

  • @tamsdienye4360
    @tamsdienye43605 жыл бұрын

    In the case of a multiphase fluid, how do find the Reynolds number since you have more than one density, dynamic viscosity and maybe different velocities. Thanks for the excellent teaching

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes you are right. Reynolds number will vary as the fluid properties vary throughout the mesh. What is the flow like near the wall? If it is mostly primary phase, I would use the viscosity and density of the primary phase. If both phases are present you can calculate a the local mixture properties using a volume fraction weighting and then use this to calculate the Reynolds number. I hope this helps!

  • @camestha5843
    @camestha58432 жыл бұрын

    What if the case is a closed flow, for example, the internal walls of a pump impeller, is it still a valid procedure? What characteristic length should be used for defining Re? Ps: Love your videos, by far the best.

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    The chord length of the blades or perhaps the impeller diameter would probably be a good idea 👍

  • @sasquatchhimself
    @sasquatchhimself6 ай бұрын

    Hi there. I am a CFD noob and trying to learn the basics for some tasks at work to run simulations for airflow through ductwork systems and rooms. Do you offer one-on-one consulting sessions?

  • @mohamedelbouti6556
    @mohamedelbouti65563 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this wonderful video, i just have one question, what if we do not have an estimate of the velocity at the beginning of the calculation, how we do calculate the Reynolds number ?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good question! It depends on your flow scenario. I would have a look in the literature and see if you can guess a reasonable flow rate for your case. Ultimately this is just a first guess and you will have to go back to your mesh and refine it anyway, so what would be a sensible flow rate? Internal flows are probably going to be less than 1-2 m/s, external flows are probably not going to be more than 10-15 m/s unless you have a very gusty wind and aerofoils /wings are usually going to be subsonic. Does that give you a good idea?

  • @mohamedelbouti6556

    @mohamedelbouti6556

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 thank you very much 😊

  • @faragayad4513
    @faragayad45133 жыл бұрын

    thank you so much for sharing, I am asking what is skin friction formula can I use for lobed swirl geometry to estimate y+?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good question! Have a look through some textbooks and see if you can find anything

  • @albertomarazzi7616
    @albertomarazzi76164 жыл бұрын

    Hi Aidan. Just a question. Your calculator gives me the height of the first cell that i need to have a y+ near 1 (or what i decide to set). Once i decided the number of cell how can i define the grading of the cells that i need to obtain the 1st cell height calculated before with your calculator?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi Alberto, normally you calculate the first cell height to get the y+ you desire first. This is fixed and you should keep this value. Next construct your mesh around this to get the best cell quality you can. Normally a growth ratio of 1.1 normal to the wall is perfect and will give you good results. If your cell count is too high (say over 20 million) then consider increasing the growth ratio to 1.2. Larger growth ratios (1.3 and above) may lead to inaccuracies in your solution so proceed carefully!

  • @AhmedTaha-ij8xj
    @AhmedTaha-ij8xj4 жыл бұрын

    @fluid Mexhanics 101 what about natural convection ? do I substitute Reynold's no with Grashof's no in your formulas and proceeds ? or I need a whole entire equations?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes! Natural convection is more difficult as we dont know the freestream velocity. Remember that this is only an initial guess, so you could always use an empirical correlation for a flat plate natural convection boundary layer to guess the velocity. Or just jump straight in to the CFD and try a cell height of 1mm. Run a few iterations and have a look at the results and then refine the mesh 👍

  • @AhmedTaha-ij8xj

    @AhmedTaha-ij8xj

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 First of all , Thanks for replying and for your good explanations and your effort , keep it up man In you thermal wall function video , you didn't give details about how to calculate u _t If you have an empirical correlation for turbulent natural convection , can you share it with me as I am searching for hours and couldn't get one also I am a beginner to ansys , so I didn't know that I can get the Y+ function from the pre processor

  • @BlzKiller
    @BlzKiller3 жыл бұрын

    why can't we use equation 4 to find the wall shear stress in the wall function video? (this would save us from the need to that kinematic viscosity linear approximation, or the need for an iterative scheme?). is it because this is just an initial guess?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Equation 4 is for the flow over a flat plate with zero pressure gradient. This is just an initial guess as most CFD cases will have different flow conditions near the wall and equation 4 is not exactly correct

  • @jorgevaldivia7482
    @jorgevaldivia74824 жыл бұрын

    Subscribed

  • @snehilsrivastava6249
    @snehilsrivastava62493 жыл бұрын

    Do the second and subsequent cell heights matter in getting the proper results? In other words can we keep a relatively large inflation ratio so that we satisfy the y+ condition also and keep the total cell count minimum?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    The second and third cell heights do matter, as you need to make sure you have enough cells through the thickness of the boundary layer (I am making a video on this at the moment). The best thing to do is set your first cell height to get y+ and then try and keep your growth ratio less than 1.2 (1.1 is usually best), then you should be fine

  • @behnamdastvareh8623
    @behnamdastvareh86233 жыл бұрын

    Hi Aidan. Thanks for the great videos. I have almost gone though all of your videos. As a CFD specialist that also has worked in this field I still have problem in meshing and validation. After I receive a project I always ask: What is the efficient step by step procedure to mesh the domain? How to choose best initial resolution not to repeat meshing procedure several times ? How much to refine the mesh in critical regions? Should I care about y+ values in every surfaces? Where to care about high y+ values and where not (e.g. In very big geometries to care about this value increases the number of mesh dramatically). How to do mesh independence analysis in unstructured complex mesh? How to reduce the time I spend for mesh independence study? How to validate our simulation results when we do not have an experimental results? We can learn schemes and numerical methods from different sources. But meshing and validation in shorter time are still in question. Do you have an idea? or a source?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's a lot of questions there .... All I can say is that a lot of it comes from experience with particular problems. Once you have meshed and solved a given application several times you get used to what the solution and mesh resolution should look like. So, maybe have a look at academic papers and see what they are using? If you have an idea of what the solution is like then you can often work backwards 👍 that's the best I can do in a paragraph 😄

  • @behnamdastvareh8623

    @behnamdastvareh8623

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Thanks Adan for your response. I know there may not be a solid answer for all those questions. Just wanted to have your view and your experience. Or maybe you have seen a great reference that I am not aware of.

  • @usmanraza116
    @usmanraza1164 жыл бұрын

    Aidan ur work is very impressive.Learned alot through ur videos. I have a question: **does y+ value has any affect on convergence??i am doing a project on ONEGA M6 wing with winglets(wing tips). the solution converges with AOA ffom 0-4 degrees. but from 5 to onward, the solution does not converge. so should i consider to change y+ value in the simulation? looking for ur reply..

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes it will! Cells with smaller y+ are thinner, so they have larger aspect ratios and worse non-orthogonality. It is the higher aspect ratio and non-orthogonality which lead to worse convergence. But always remember that it is not y+ itself that affects convergence, as the wall functions are smooth. It is reducing the cell height that affects convergence 🙂

  • @usmanraza116

    @usmanraza116

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Got ur point. Thanks alot.😊

  • @Jiniraj1
    @Jiniraj12 жыл бұрын

    How to set y+ value for airfoil for k-omega case and k-Epsilon case

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    You have to choose a first cell height when you mesh the aerofoil. Then run the case and plot y+. Have a look at the y+ you have and then go back to your mesh and adjust the first layer height. Repeat the process until you have the y+ you are looking for. In the same way that CFD codes use iterative solvers, the process of obtaining the right y+ and right mesh is also iterative!

  • @abdkhammash8610
    @abdkhammash86104 жыл бұрын

    Hi Aiden .......There is any way to calculate the base size of the sells ,or just it depends on the geometry size?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes, for RANS computations it depends on the geometry and the level of resolution you can afford. For aerofoils for example, i would recommend trying to get at least 100 cells on the pressure and suction surfaces of the aerofoil, so you can capture any separation and reattachment points. For simpler geometry without adverse pressure gradients you can get away with much fewer cells, as the flow quantities do not change as much in the streamwise direction

  • @smailhamidatou367
    @smailhamidatou3672 жыл бұрын

    hi sir if we worked by the K Omega model, Do we need to define the Y + or no?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep, you should probably check your values of y+ so you know what region of the boundary layer you are modelling / resolving 👍

  • @bungyorga8166
    @bungyorga81663 жыл бұрын

    is this applicable for hypersonic flow CFD simulation? the friction coefficient estimation

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't think so!

  • @Tejeshn77
    @Tejeshn776 ай бұрын

    I see that the calculator is not available right now. I see only inflation layer calculator. Can you tell me if im missing something?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    6 ай бұрын

    The inflation later calculator also calculates yH, so it should do everything you need. There is a PDF guide at the bottom of the page which explains how it works

  • @rosscrabbe4391
    @rosscrabbe43913 жыл бұрын

    Hi not quite sure which is right but in your skin coefficient you have -6.5 and in the calculator you have -0.65 which is correct?

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well spotted! This is such an unfortunate typo 😂 the value is -0.65, so the calculator is correct.

  • @mateusalves9558
    @mateusalves95584 жыл бұрын

    Hello , could you please explain to me how can I estimate the first cell height in a multiphase simulation, for example two fluids with differents viscosities? Lets say a boat in the water with a certain draft (interface bewtween air and water would be presented, the free surface). Thank you for the videos once again and if you could reply the question it would be awesome!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    4 жыл бұрын

    I would estimate the volume fraction in the cells adjacent to the wall. Use the volume fraction to calculate the dynamic viscosity and density in the cells (volume fraction average). Then estimate y+ using these values. Or just make a quick mesh, run it and see what y+ is after a few 100 iterations. Then refine your mesh 😊

  • @mateusalves9558

    @mateusalves9558

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Thank you for the repply, I will try to do this. Just one thing, last week I send a e-mail to you, could you please say to me if you received it? If you can't suppoort me with what I asked that is no problem.

  • @VikiJoker1924
    @VikiJoker192410 ай бұрын

    Hi, could you help me to figure out if I need y+? I have a complex UAV model that I will be testing in CFD (ICEM + Fluent) to determine forces, so I am using an unstructured viscous mesh. It is for a fully/global Laminar Flow of Re = 1000. I understand y+ is calculated for all sims, irrespective of Laminar or Turbulent. I would just like to ask what parameters must I know/calculate before generating the mesh. Thank you!

  • @fluidmechanics101

    @fluidmechanics101

    10 ай бұрын

    For laminar flows (which you clearly have if Re = 1000) then y+ isn't that important. It is normally more important to check and see if you have enough cells through the thickness of the boundary layer, and enough resolution in areas of large gradients. The easiest way to check this is with a mesh refinement study 👍

  • @VikiJoker1924

    @VikiJoker1924

    10 ай бұрын

    @@fluidmechanics101 Hello Dr Wimshurst, Thank you for the clear information. I shall perform a mesh study using a coarse mesh first! Meanwhile, I am having trouble understanding other parameters that are required for meshing in ICEM. What other parameters must I input into ICEM? Lastly, Should I create a surface mesh (All Tri, Patch Independent), followed by a volume mesh (Quick-Delaunay)? This info would be very beneficial for my study. Thank you.

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