Checked out in the Cardinal 177, 180 HP fixed gear out of Santa Monica in 1977 and quickly became my plane of choice. A lot of fun to fly.

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

The Cardinals are a fun plane to fly.

Beautiful 177. One of the best looking single engine airplanes ever designed!! Love the green trim.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

It is not a very common color theme.

Nice I have owned a Cessna we restored a 1965 172!Had it 20 years! I want a new C182T!!!!

@aerolife1646

14 күн бұрын

It’s always great to see older planes restored. But sometimes it’s nice to have a new one also. Hopefully you’ll get a chance to get a new 182T some day. Thanks for your comment and watching our videos.

I love how detailed your reviews are. I sometimes have a question about a certain aircraft and look for hours just to get my answer. I perfect example is the cargo area, most people give a few seconds to look and tell you that is rated for 120 lbs.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment. Years ago when we were looking to buy our first plane, we wished we had detailed reviews to understand everything about a plane. Couldn't find them. That is one of the reasons we decided to make these detailed aircraft videos. In the baggage area, I included the amount of stuff that would fit (so anyone can get a better idea). Comments like yours are an encouragement for us to do better. thanks again.

I’ve been researching the cardinal for potential purchase and came across this video, fantastic work. Thanks for posting it

@aerolife1646

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching our video and taking time to comment also. Good luck in your search.

That was an awesome detailed walkthrough. Thank you 🙏🏻

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

thank you for watching

My dream plane! IMO the cardinal was the best SE piston Cessna made (or most perfect for my mission). Thanks for the review, was detailed and well made

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

It was my dream plane as well. I enjoyed every flight I took in mine. After flying so many different planes, when I fly a Cardinal again it feels like "home".

Love your detailed and informative videos!!! Thanks

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video, thank you for watching and the comment.

Excellent review!!!! Good job, nice video!!!!!! And nice Cardinal! 👏🏽

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment

This is the best video by far I ever seen on getting information

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and glad we could help

Incredibly detailed expose'. Thanks for taking the time !!

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thank you for watching the video and the comment.

Fantastic video, very comprehensive, thank you. 😀

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We work hard to make informative aircraft videos

Always great reviews. Thanks so much!!!!!!!!

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

Great job. Love the 177...amazing change from the 172 and 182.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. you are right it is very different then those

Thank you for such a thorough explanation of a unique airplane.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

The Cardinals are definitely unique, we enjoy making videos of them. Thank you

Excellent description of the Cessna Cardinal.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching the video

Awesome video. Look forward to getting mine in the near future. You did a fantastic job explaining all the ins and outs. Can't wait for your video on the 177RG because it's what I plan on purchasing. Again, great job.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We will be making the RG video soon. I just need to find the time

Love the Cardinals!

Fantastic! Well done! I’m was in the process of narrowing down the specific plane for my business and personal use - your excellent presentation convinced me beyond a doubt that my next plane will indeed be the Cardinal. I am in the process of reviewing several right now and just flew my first one up in N. MI yesterday. Thank you for the very informative, extremely well done production. 😄

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

Cardinals are a very good plane. We actually just got another one that will be listed for sale soon. If you subscribe to our email notifications you would get an email right away when it posts. www.aerolifeaviation.com/AlertSignUp And you don't need to be a customer to ask any questions you may have on Cardinals or even just the buying process.

Well…. You do a wonderful job. It’s monotone, but so concise, informative etc…. I learn something every time I watch and it doesn’t matter what plane your talking about. By the time your done it’s a must have to be happy

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment. Glad you enjoy the videos.

Great video. I have a 73 RG and love the plane. Checks all the boxes that I need.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, RG is a very nice plane.

One of the best reviews of an aircraft I've ever seen on KZread. Sold my 172 a lil over a year ago and now doing the rental thing...🤬. 177B's have caught my attention. She just sold me on the idea of getting one.

I'd buy my Cessna from this lady easily. Thanks for the great video.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

thanks

now if I only had that cash laying around -- love the 177's

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

:)

greta review. and great panel

Thank you for posting. Very Nice.😎

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

You are welcome. Thank you for watching the video and the comment

Love the Cardinal!

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

They are great airplanes

I just don't understand what happened. Big tail. Cantilevered wing flowing perfectly into that steeply raked front glass. Absolutely gorgeous, more contemporary 2020-23 European design and timeless curves. Loved this video, those lakes are unbelievable. Beautiful place.

Nice review. I’ve owned my 177B for 8 years and love it. I also have a Powerflow exhaust and several other speed mods. On a good day, I see 155 MPH/135 KTS true airspeed on about 9.5 GPH. There are not many fixed gear airplanes out there with two big doors and 4 comfy seats with those operating economics. Oh, and the handling is superb. The Cardinal controls are responsive (which is part of the reason it never succeeded as a trainer like the 172), which make the airplane a delight to fly with the proper training and technique.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. They are great planes to fly when you figure out the controls and handling of it.

Thanks for the review. I’m actually in the market for an RG right now.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks .Me too :) .We are always in the market for good Cardinals.

Thanks, I felt this vedio was vary detailed.. good job..

@aerolife1646

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and commenting, glad you enjoyed it

Very nice video. I love the panel! Anyone thinking about purchasing a Cardinal FG should watch this video. Like you, I found that 6.5 quarts of oil is where the engine likes to be. I made the mistake of watching this video when I’ll be out of town. It’ll be at least a week before I can even see my plane!

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

177 was my first plane. Sometimes I still miss it.

Excellent presentation.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

appreciate the comment

Nice review and plane

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, it is a nice plane

Ah, the beautiful Cardinal! I loved flying the 180 hp version. I expected it to replace the Skyhawk in production. Better visibility, no struts, huge doors, and the stabilator, was, and is, a vast improvement over the Skyhawk. If our club had the Cardinal when I did my 3,200 NM cross country, I would have chosen it, over the Archer, instead.

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

They are definitely great cross country planes. It is a shame they did not stay in production for longer.

Very informative. Thinking of a cardinal for photography. It looks like a great platform.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Cardinal is the best photography platform - high wing, no strut, can fly slow speeds, stable. We just got an airplane in that has a photo window which is an STC available. Something like that would be great for taking photos.

Looking forward to the RG review.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I am really looking forward to making that video

What a beautifully modified Cardinal. Ummm.... what's the next step up from perfection? Perfection PLUS?? Great review!! I'm like waytooslow. If I had the cash laying around, that aircraft would be mine. Like RIGHT NOW!

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

I have seen one other airplane with a full glass upgrade. I am sure there are more highly upgraded 177's but not many.

What a great plane I've basically never heard about ... I hope A2A will recreate this for the latest flight sim. I really want one.

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

They are very good planes.

Thanks for sharing

@aerolife1646

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, glad you enjoyed watching

Nice presentation, I notice you're getting better at this, yeah . . . .hoo!

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We are making progress on the videos. It is not easy though.

good video good info

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Susan

Note, There was a a wing change. The 1968 straight and 69 A had a thin 210 style wing in 1971 B's and the RG's they want with the fat wing. Also the A1F6D the oil filter was stock.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this info

Great video l love the Cardinal I spent many hours in an RG great plane. bullet proof engine one of the best in its class The avionics look very capable looks like a good value! One house keeping item at 29:29 I believe we have an error in spelling transmit

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

I didnt catch that. Thanks for mentioning

@matthewjob9424

3 жыл бұрын

@@aerolife1646 no problem I have to reread multiple times to make sure all my wordds r speellt coreectlie

The wing airfoil defines the plane, same as a Lear 25. The airfoil is fast but quickly gains drag as the angle of attack increases, which accounts for the bent firewalls, in 1970 they went to a 172 airfoil, stopped the landing accidents.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Earlier models had a different cantilever wing and they changed as you mentioned. I can't comment on the firewall damages because of the wing design as I haven't heard that before.

@ 3:11 incorrect engine information provided. The 1968 "177" had the O-320, but in 1969 Cesnna went to the O-360 for the "177A". I purchased my 177A this past Friday! 😁

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

I never had 177A. Yes, you are correct about the year of the engine change. 1969 180HP with fixed pitch prop. They changed to constant speed prop in the B model.

@roryfiler214

4 жыл бұрын

You beat me to it! Welcome to owning a 177A!

I was in flight training in 1982 and had accumulated only six hours when I had to step away due to an unexpected financial drain. I haven't had any GA contact throughout the years. I'm going to begin training again. Your video here was a wonderful tutorial for me, as I wanted to learn more about the Cardinal models and you certainly delivered. You are very, very knowledgeable and the information you gave was wonderfully clear and concise. Thank you for that! I have some questions if you have time for me and wouldn't mind. My trainer(s) at the time were two brand new 1982 152-II's. Being high wing aircraft, whenever I looked out of a side window I always had the fear of falling, or maybe I should say, I'd get a case of the creeps of falling. (1) Do people like me get over that? (2) Or, Is it a case that certain people are better suited to low-wing aircraft? I found your expressed love and extensive use of this particular aircraft to be a fine testimonial. I don't understand why you wish to part with it. Looking outside of common financial hardship or poor health, (3) Can you tell me what happens to people that results in making the decision to sell a beloved aircraft?

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Appreciate your comment. Glad we are able to help. That is our main goal to make these videos. 1 & 2. When you fly more hours, the fear will gradually fade away. More spacious airplane has less of this feeling. You may be more comfortable with the low wing airplane. It is too early to say, more hours help to overcome most negative feelings would help. 177 was my first plane, I really like them. This plane is owned by the dealership and it is for sale. 3. People do that all the time. Some people need to upgrade/downgrade and buy a different airplane.

@discerningmind

4 жыл бұрын

@@aerolife1646 Thank you very much. I sincerely appreciate your taking time and bother for my benefit.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

@@discerningmind Absolutely

Nice video, found this video on KZread today. Then noticed it was my plane! New owner T Shifflet OHIO

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Tim, good to hear from you.

@drpando

3 жыл бұрын

May I please ask what you paid for this beauty? Aerolife never responded to my original post asking the same.

@timshifflet2402

3 жыл бұрын

@@drpando $110k as I recall, it was a 3 way partnership and I was odd man out on Pickup day in our 2 seater.

This is the best review of ANY GA airplane I have ever seen. If I had the money, I’d buy it today. So hard to find a reasonably-priced cardinal that has been restored to this condition. What did it sell for may I ask?

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. we are trying to do our best.

@drpando

4 жыл бұрын

@@aerolife1646 Is still for sale?? May I ask what it sold for if it got sold???

I want one!

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

A Cardinal was my first plane. They are a great plane to own.

Thanks for the thorough review. This looks like a plane that's had owners who cared for it very well. The panel upgrades are what I would want except for adding a G5 or equivalent, getting rid of the vacuum system and its weight, and possibly adding an autopilot. Although, as you pointed out, it's a pretty stable platform plus there's already been a lot spent on meaningful panel upgrades. I want it, but I don't think I can get my family treasurer to vote for letting me pull the trigger (She has two or three votes to my one!). I've read and heard how easy it can be to land "nose low". Do you typically dial in a little more "up" trim with the forward CG before landing when lightly loaded? Thanks again!

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Fuel and 2 in the front, it is good to use up trim in the final. in general any plane it is good to use some trim in the approach. The only thing though is if you have to go around you might need to push the yoke to compensate the up trim when you apply full power.

Nice plane, seems to have all the bells and whistles except autopilot. Great presentation, very detailed. Has the wingspar been inspected? I didn’t see anything in the logbook. Again great presentation!!!!

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I never saw this many detailed upgrades in any Cardinals. Wingsspar AD is for Cessna 210. Not for this plane. According to the IA, the Service bulletin for the Cardinal is for airframes more than 15000 hours. There is nothing applicable to this plane.

@roryfiler214

4 жыл бұрын

@@aerolife1646 There is no AD, there is a Cessna service bulletin (SB) for the 177 and the 210. It would be wise to go ahead and get the spar inspected and buyers will want to see that it was done, depending on how any given example was flown through its life

Great description, thank you. Is it still available ?

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. This Cardinal has sold but we do have others coming for sale. If you would like to sign up for our email notices you would get an alert when one is posted. www.aerolifeaviation.com/AlertSignUp

Thank you for this tour over this other C.177; with fixed landing gear, as I like and need for runaways here (most aren’t paved)! What is the sale price of this Cessna?, please let me know!. Awesome video detailing the plane!. Thank you.

@aerolife1646

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching our video. Please contact the company directly for sales details www.aerolifeaviation.com

Very detailed review. This is a nice airplane, but in that price range I can get a 182 (which is a much better plane all around). That's the problem with putting so much money in the panel, you don't get it all back when you sell. At 28:01 your graphic mentions that it will do LVP approaches when I think you meant LPV. At 30:30 you mentioned the "push pull fuses" again. There are no fuses in that panel. Those are call "circuit breakers". You are very knowledgeable and clearly have a lot of expertise. The only phrase you need to learn is "circuit breaker" and you'll be darn near PERFECT! I am starting to look at the 177 and 177RG as a possible next airplane. Looking forward to your next video!

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the typo, I appreciate you mentioning it. Yes, it should be LPV. Also I'll remember the "circuit breaker" next time. 182 is a great plane. 1975 182 with these upgrades you are looking at a much higher price than this. 182 can't do a whole lot more than 177.(210 can) 182 has a higher payload, is a bit faster but with more fuel burn. Cardinal has its own place in the Cessna family. Thank you for the comment.

Nice plane but one thing stood out a mile to me - no autopilot. To be a true cross-country machine this really needs an autopilot. I could fly from Addison Texas to Phoenix in this no problem, but without even a basic or legacy autopilot that mission becomes 10x more exhausting. Odd that the panel was upgraded to such a standard but that no AP was considered. The fantastic Garmin GFC500 autopilot and one G5 display costs under $10k and would perhaps have been a better choice than the Aspen.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

It would be nice to have an autopilot in any plane especially if you fly very long trips/hard IFR /single-pilot often. Average GA pilots fly around 50 hours a year. It is better to hand fly that small time to stay proficient. I love to handfly a plane. We fly a lot and hardly use autopilot to stay proficient. Since it has PFD you can always add an autopilot for less. Yes G5 and GFC500 are a great setup.

Question for you about the preflight of the bCessna 177B. Have you ever witnessed any evidence of water in your sump cup during preflight?

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, in some planes. You can update the fuel caps with Monarch caps which usually solves the problem of water leaking in around the cap seal.

What's the song at 39:32?

These planes are so nice just can’t find one

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

If you'd like to sign up for our email notifications, you will get an email before we advertise our next one to the public. www.aerolifeaviation.com/AlertSignUp

Is this aircraft still available?

Nice video. I would like to know if is possible to upgrade the cardinal's engine 180hp-io360 to another more powerfull. Can you help me about this?

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

This airplane has the 180hp O-360. The IO-360 is found in the Cardinal RG. I can check with our mechanic about the upgrade options. If you need a higher power, faster airplane it is usually better to buy one with higher performance because those airframes are designed for that extra power and performance.

Just now entered this bird's N-Number into FAA Inquiry database (Official) and got the response: "This aircraft's registration status may not make it suitable for operation." The message then suggested a call to a FAA toll free number. I use this database frequently, have used it for months, and have Never Seen this message before today. Did I enter the N-Number incorrectly or will there be bad news when I phone the FAA later today?

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

This plane sold a while ago. I don't know the current registration status.

Is this aircraft still for sale?

Wear can I buy door stewards for the 177?

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

I really don't know. My RG came with them.

What is the price?

Great video, Awesome Bird Thanks. How much will that set me back?

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I've never seen these cool upgrades in a 177. For inquires about the plane please contact Aerolife www.aerolifeaviation.com/Item/Index?idun=10&1975-CESSNA-177B-Cardinal

@skylane1829

Жыл бұрын

@@aerolife1646 Was the bird already sold? Todays date is 11-2-2022

Atessamdra 😁😁😁

Such a pretty airplane, if only it was an RG 🥺

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

177B fixed gear definitely has its own market. Great first family plane. Much lower insurance and less maintenance. RG is a very nice plane too.

The upholstery and carpeting would need to be updated. What is the asking price, I think I missed that one.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

In airplane there is always something that can be upgraded to owners preference.

@nojabformeeducateyourself3393

2 жыл бұрын

@@aerolife1646 I agree. Good Job in presenting the has it been sold yet?

what a beautiful airplane, inspired me to run out and buy more lottery tickets

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Cardinals are beautiful and this one definitely had some nice upgrades.

Why are you selling it?

I want to know, how much it will cost if i buy a new one.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Cessna doesn't make new 177. They stopped production in 1978. You can buy a new 172 probably around $400,000 and up depending on features.

The "oscillation problem" bit me in the a$$ one day. I was not briefed on this problem by my flight instructor.

@aerolife1646

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that. If using the correct landing techniques for a Cardinal it is a fairly easy plane to land. Carrying a little power on landing helps

"Stay-ber-lay-tor"

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

That make sense, thanks

How can we get ahold of you I want to talk about buying a 177

@aerolife1646

Жыл бұрын

Please stop by our website aerolifeaviation.com to contact us via message or phone. We are glad to help

no autopilot?

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

no autopilot on this one

Muted and captions on due to the frivolous music. Voted down accordingly.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching. Well, all the good in the world some find a minor fault to blame.

❤❤pls can u help me source for a cheap trainer that can serve me n my family...I'm in Nigeria

@2:45 does anybody really think the 172 is a better plane than the 177? Maybe based on prevalence in the market and thus relative cheapness, but by any other metric?! The problem with the 177 is that you're not buying a plane, you're adopting a minor historical treasure, and keeping it alive gets more and more expensive every year. I wish Cessna had built 20,000 of them, but alas, it was not meant to be.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

I had some comments in another Cardinal video preferring 172

Please move the mike to the side of your mouth so you don't get the "pops" from your breath.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

I know that's one thing I need to work on, also the mike I am using is not the highest quality. We need to upgrade that as well.

For Sale????? Info PLEASE?

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Even though this airplane is sold, we have other airplanes for sale. Please go to our website or subscribe to the email list to get notification.

@drpando

3 жыл бұрын

@@aerolife1646 Can't help but make an analogy here...... I'm in the market for steak and potatoes. You're showing a steak and potatoes Cardinal 177 (that has since been eaten), but you want me to go to your website to look at fish and asparagus? (other airplanes??? ... I'm was obviously interested in Cardinals.... I guess it's back to Controller.com I go..... Thank you.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

@@drpando it is really hard to find a good Cardinal. We do have one currently listed on our site. You can also subscribe to email alerts so you are notified right away if we get a new one in here: www.aerolifeaviation.com/AlertSignUp Good luck with your search.

You are excellent. But I have to say I just don’t understand why a person would paint a cardinal green.

@aerolife1646

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Some people like "Shrek" :)

Great plane but I would not call that a glass cockpit

As an A&P IA for over 20yrs I worked on and flew several Cardinals. Great plane, good value but two things stick out to me. 1. Don't waste your time with the 150hp model it's doggy especially in short field performance the 180hp model is much better and the way to go and if there was a 200hp STC conversion I'd highly recommend it. 2. The plane requires you to be in front of it at all times on approach with airspeed and approach angle getting your full attention.Cardinals have a very nasty habit of floating and porpoising and if not corrected with power and a go-around can lead to nose gear damage or failure I've repaired and replaced a few over the years because of this. The other trouble spot is the cabin doors they're too big poorly designed and the hinges and attachments need careful inspection and care or be prepared for a stiff repair bill.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your detailed comment and for sharing your experience. I agree 180HP 177B is a better plane. In the video, I explained the door and how there is a simple improvement for it. Or just be a little careful. Most high wing Cessna's don't float, what with the airframe drag and very effective flaps for slow approach. (Mooneys do, it's not the plane, it's the pilot's incorrect technique) In fact, I have flown Cardinals ever since I had only a few hours as a pilot and never had to go around. Last week I landed in 37 knot gusting winds on a short runway perfectly. As a pilot, I like to think if I can't fly or land properly, it is my problem. Not the plane. If we as pilots think it is a problem of the plane, we never learn. Every plane is different. They need to fly the way they were designed to fly. Use the techniques for that particular plane.

@dvsmotions

4 жыл бұрын

Why you gotta hate? ;-) I have a 150hp and it runs like a cheetah... with a lame leg. Had it on the market last year and ended up keeping it.

@aerolife1646

4 жыл бұрын

@@dvsmotions I think 177A is an overlooked airplane. That's why I was only referring to 177B is a better plane. Which it is. That doesn't mean 177A is a bad plane. If stabilator has been upgraded (it should) and if you don't carry a lot of weight, with its more effective wings, 177A could be a good plane. Can you tell us more about your experience flying 177A?

@dvsmotions

4 жыл бұрын

@@aerolife1646 I was just giving Jim a ribbing. I have #27 off the line. Bought it to train in and beyond. It is an amazing plane and love everything about it. I'm just ready to get out of the 90kt cruise and get something faster.

@59wargear

4 жыл бұрын

@@dvsmotions Sir, I don't "hate" the 150hp Cardinal I just consider it underpowered making it's performance a bit lackluster in some situations it flies and handles just fine.

I need to stop looking at shit I can't afford.

Honestly, I have no clue what’s going on.

I'm no pilot, but the entire GA Industry, makes less sense to me, than Biden re-elected to a 3rd term. 50-year-old airplane. Looks more modern than a brand new Cessna 172. Lady says it's a better plane, in every way. Cost $27,000 new in 1972. Cheapest one used listed @ $114,000 today. So ...... lets quit production after 4,000 that are sure to appreciate 5 - fold. And keep making 45,000 172s. Charge $400,000 for them. Certain to depreciate nearly 100%. Could someone please explain to me, this sick business mentality? It's Koo Koo Clocks. Every hour, on the hour. It makes this annoying sound. Then 2 assholes come out from each side of the house. Face each other. Beat each other over the head with mallets. Then turn around and go back inside. *WHAT KIND OF PHUQED-UP SICK MENTALITY IS THAT?*

Initially the 177 was my favorite plane but after digging into its design many times over the years, I have just become very disappointed in the engineers giving up on making this plane what it should have been to begin with. There was mention of the engineers deciding to bring the wings rearward and create the more aerodynamic design, making a nose heavy situation while failing to extend the tail so the elevators delivered enough control. So a cheaper fix was to make it have a stabilator, which created its own issues. And the 177 coming out with low power like its a 172. In my opinion there shouldn't be anything less than 180hp even in the 172. Overall it seemed to be not very well thought out, and almost like they were just trying to skim by and make something better with already existing parts and pieces just by adding to, taking away or repositioning.