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@peymanmostafaei6963

4 жыл бұрын

When is it time for Homayoun?

@KingsandGenerals

4 жыл бұрын

I dropped the topic to the list, we'll see when

@rrajanasar4027

4 жыл бұрын

Ottoman empire 1299 1923 Muslim European Asia North American South American North Africa South African history world video

@emretatl5069

4 жыл бұрын

why no Turkish subtitles please add turkish subtitles

@thesceptilegod3581

4 жыл бұрын

is this the ottoman wars video or will that be soon?

Cem seems to have done 70 years worth of living in only 35 years. Great story guys 👍 well told!

@johnl.7754

4 жыл бұрын

22vx yeah was surprised when he said 35 years old.

@22vx

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnl.7754 ikr

@TurquazCannabiz

4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a movie about this man's life

@mitjed

4 жыл бұрын

35 years in the old days was 70 years old, the life expectancy is like 40 years old.

@nevio2658

4 жыл бұрын

@@mitjed Yeah, that's not really accurate. The life expectancy was so low was being of infant mortality and young men dying in war. Cem was a prince. He would have had the best access to medicine and had a high quality life-style. 35 Years old for a noble who didn't die in war is still pretty young.

A 2nd son is born to a royal family. Most Royal families: Yes, this is a blessing. Ottomans: This might be a problem.........

@NobleKorhedron

4 жыл бұрын

Eh, the Ottomans were ruthless bastards when it came to the succession...

@inhocsignovinces7713

4 жыл бұрын

the history of royal families in the ottoman empire was basically a real-life version of game of thrones lol

@SuleimanTheMagnificent71618

4 жыл бұрын

@@inhocsignovinces7713 They did these to prevent further uprisings

@TheTariqibnziyad

4 жыл бұрын

@@SuleimanTheMagnificent71618 exactly Suleiman the Magnificent's brain, tell them about your "Nama laws".

@mehdihasani2543

4 жыл бұрын

@GoodGirlKate well that is what happened with Ahmed I with his younger brother Mustafa I, Ahmed was the first to defy the rule that was set by his ancestor Mehmed II. Although it may not be a factual evidence, i like to think that Ahmed truly loved his younger brother Mustafa :)

I really appreciate the Ottoman soundtrack in the background unlike other channels who just put some random orientalist music.

@mism847

3 жыл бұрын

Two Steps From Hell

@mahafujrayhan2877

3 жыл бұрын

@@mism847 you are in

@mism847

3 жыл бұрын

@@mahafujrayhan2877 ?

Judging by the many loyal friends he made during his lifes, he must have been a really cool guy.

@emrenuriyev9132

4 жыл бұрын

Well he was very exotic since he was the son of mehmed II who came from east and culturally different than western europeans.

@Pedrosa2541

4 жыл бұрын

@@emrenuriyev9132 I think it goes above it, one guy seriously offered a good chunck of his empire for his liberation, another risked his life trying to help him to escape.

@turkbud802

4 жыл бұрын

@@emrenuriyev9132 The western rulers were probably impressed since at this early timeline, most ottoman sultans had some education in greek and latin and could speak it somewhat

@fuseydunae397

2 жыл бұрын

because they wanted to destabilize the empire. that's why they "befriended" him. politics don't work with love and friendship unfortunately.

Man Ottoman history is insane. Real life Game of Thrones stuff with political struggles and shit. Never a dull moment.

@piotrgrzelak2613

4 жыл бұрын

As inherited straight from eastern rome

@pendragon3350

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao. 'never a dull moment'. That's an every day shit in Turkey in the last 500 years.

@piotrgrzelak2613

4 жыл бұрын

@Alex Lewisham then modern politics is that, multiplied ad infinitum

@farinal

3 жыл бұрын

modern turkish political history from 1940 to 2020 is even wilder.

@c.a.1929

3 жыл бұрын

Well every powerful kingdom or empire had the same successory struggles. Take medieval England for example or the successor of Djenghiz Khan the white, Golden Horde thrill khanate etc. Each had their internal struggles. But the one that takes it all must be the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire!

According to many historians Cem was the copy of his father, Mehmed II, almost same attitude and belligerence. This was a disadvantage for him, because Mehmed II pushed the empire too hard, at some point endless wars and conflicts became tiring for viziers and pashas. Cem was a hard nosed warrior, but Bayezid was a scholar, relatively weak and more peaceful man. Ottomans statesmen in fact chose Bayezid over Cem and his reign was considered 'a stagnation period' in golden age of Ottomans. Very good document as always btw. As one of the earliest subscribers, I am proud to witness the evolution of K&G from a relatively small channel in youtube to become a giant with much over 1 million subscribers. We are grateful to you guys, this channel is heaven of history

@evanmedi6144

4 жыл бұрын

@mohamed emara opting for peace in medieval times was a signe of weakness. had byazid been more proactive in his days, the map would of been different today

@BALLARDTWIN

4 жыл бұрын

Beyazid wasnt all bad I guess since he saved the jews and muslims from the spanish inquisition

@harami78

4 жыл бұрын

Beyazid not weak or peaceful. He could not 'proactive moves' due to 'Cem problem'.

@thefulanichad

4 жыл бұрын

Thx for this 👏🏾

@dukaktemuryaylg9659

4 жыл бұрын

@@BALLARDTWIN yep but he didnt conquer anywhere

2. Prince born Other Royal families: We are blessed (-2 war exhaustion, -2 unrest to all provinces) Ottomans: it's an Omen (-3 stability)

@sagagis

4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't expecting an EU4 reference here xD after the -3 stability hit, a pretender army rises in Anatolia :D

@ShieldThatGuardsTheRealmOfMen

4 жыл бұрын

@@sagagis 18 rebel stack in Ankara, mountains and fort...

@crimson279

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShieldThatGuardsTheRealmOfMen And you forgot to activate your fort

@MuhammadRafy

4 жыл бұрын

@@crimson279 Don't click on event while activating fort for two months

@egesisli5694

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShieldThatGuardsTheRealmOfMen you should probably accept their demands since cems stats were probably higher than bayezids xd

Fun fact : Karamani Mehmet Pasha was only 22 years old when he died. He was a really young Grand Vizier. The representation of him in this video looks like 60 years old man which is wrong.

@caranthirn7400

3 жыл бұрын

@Efe Alca I am pretty sure that he died 22 years old. Born in 1458 amd died in 1481. I checked all reliable resources.

@canguven3260

2 жыл бұрын

It's totally wrong information. It seems like someone trolled wiki page of him

@cloneeja

Жыл бұрын

@@caranthirn7400 Nereden baktın? Hangi kaynakta 22 yaşında oldupu yazıyor?

One of the reasons once I was told by an academician why Cem was prevented by Janisarries was the fact that the army of the time tired of decades of conquests during Mehmet II's reign, and wanted to stop these, because Cem was like his father.

@onurkagangocebe

4 жыл бұрын

This may not true. Because ottoman army gains spoils of war when they conquer somewhere and soldiers get their share too. So army always looks for more battle. Janissaries supported beyazid only because he have fought with them many battles along with his father. They knew eachother but cem.

@vanlao6367

4 жыл бұрын

@@onurkagangocebe spoil of war can only keep troop's morale for so long before it can no longer convince men to fight. Alexander the Great marched his army from Macedonia all the way to India winning many battle and earn many spoils of war, but had to stop the conquest afterward because his troops became homesick and would mutiny if they didn't return.

@onurkagangocebe

4 жыл бұрын

@@vanlao6367 janissaries has no home, has no family. They only have the state as a father and mother. This is different case. You got to make a research to understand the Ottoman janissary comtitution.

@vanlao6367

4 жыл бұрын

@@onurkagangocebe Janissaries are just human, they aren't machines that will fight without being mentally tired no matter how loyal they are to the Ottoman or the sultan. Battle fatigue is a real thing, look at the modern research of soldier's performance in U.S, U.K and other countries, it shows that after a certain amount of time serving, the soldiers start to show little interest in continuing their service - it was marked as "passing their peak performance" even though their physical conditions still allow them to serve the countries even longer, and this amount of time shorten even further when they are in active combat duty. This mean even in the past, such phenomenon also applies on every troops of the period. That's why I brought the case of Alexander up, not because his troops have family, but because his troops has shown sign of battle fatigue and was unwilling to continue further unless they stay out of war for a period of time. The point of getting spoil of war is to spend it, and the Janissaries simply didn't have much opportunities to do that under Mehmed. They are the sultan's bodyguards and elites troops, so they couldn't simply leave his armies after getting their share of loots like the common troops that can be recruited in every towns, and the longer they spend their time follow Mehmed in his conquests, the higher chances they would die before they can indulge themselves in the spoils of war. That's why most rulers want to end war quickly, because it's very hard to convince men to fight for a long period of time as the risk of death grow exponentially the longer the war drag on.

Poor Cem he was betrayed and not supported in his endeavors for the longest time. And when he finally gets a monarch willing to do what he wanted the man suddenly dies. It seems like he was meant to be unlucky. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.

@brokenbridge6316

4 жыл бұрын

@Oster The Brony----Hey you two. I don't mind a civilized debate but I don't appreciate name calling. Keep it civil.

@jojokay7426

3 жыл бұрын

Oster The Brony but he promised the Europeans that they will get their lands back

@brokenbridge6316

3 жыл бұрын

@Mulattiu---Perhaps

This is a trully beautiful map!! Good Job!!

@fullmetalalchemist9126

4 жыл бұрын

There is nothing beautiful about it

@ceyhunozkan9919

4 жыл бұрын

about ottoman, dont agree because there are turkish named cities but also greek named cities which is confusing if you consider that many cities (actually majority of them) are actually latin named before. you know, if you make edirne, ankara, konya then you should make that izmir not smyrna. if you dont do this you should make those names in latin.. whatever their names back in history.

Just when i thought Cem went through all that over so many decades. The video ends with, "He was 35" when he died. Poor Cem

So, basically, Ottoman sultans were chosen via horse races.

@medetbilalsarac4856

4 жыл бұрын

The sultan was sending his sons to provinces according to his preference. For example if Sultan doesn't want his son to take the throne he sends the son to Trabzon. The sultan sends his best heir to Manisa which is known as the city of the sultans . If you look at the distance between Manisa-istanbul and Trabzon-Istanbul you can see what I mean. Horse race was won for the boy in Manisa even before it started.

@lyjordos

4 жыл бұрын

Medet Bilal Sarac manisa still seems a bit far compared with bursa or edirne though!

@medetbilalsarac4856

4 жыл бұрын

@@lyjordos Bursa and Edirne were one of the most important cities after the capital. Heirs were sent to some spesific cities such as Manisa Trabzon Amasya and Konya. Compared to others Manisa is far the closest.

@ricedealer56

4 жыл бұрын

to be fair I read title as cum sultan

@AgeofTrade

4 жыл бұрын

Am i mistaken, or is this not a sort of leftover tradition from their nomadic roots. Just like when Khans died, all prominent leaders who wanted a shot at the throne had to abort mission and convene in order to pick the new leader.

I love how the narration makes you think he's an old man, and then it's revealed he died at the ripe age of 35.

@anoretu1995

4 жыл бұрын

Same for Mehmet II he was very young at the time. He was 49 when he died.

his life similar to stannis baratheon

@serenemountain6769

4 жыл бұрын

Stannis Baratheon never existed ... how was is life similar ???? Fictional characters never lived ! if you say they are similar in character ! You might be right ...

@kiagusriyasqie7327

3 жыл бұрын

@Saint Michael chill

Cem had great potential but army and viziers supported bayezid. Cem looked more like his father than his brother. His father's reign full of 30-year conquests exhausted the viziers and the army. They wanted a relatively calm and peaceful sultan. That's why they supported bayezid II. This is a breaking point for Turkish and Italian history. When mehmed the conqueror died in 1481 civil war erupted in ottoman empire. Then ahmed pasha leave small garrison inside otranto and returned to rumelia. During the Ottoman civil war, Christians easily took back otranto.

@kubat552

4 жыл бұрын

@Star Star LOL pure bullshit.

@doruk5493

4 жыл бұрын

@Star Star yazmayı bilsen birde keşke, ne zaman bırakacaksınız bu Atatürk masondu Atatürk ingiliz ajanıydı ayaklarını cidden merak ediyorum adam 1.dünya savaşından dolayı hukuken ve fiilen son bulmuş bir imparatorluktan TC yi çıkardı siz hala uğraşın

@Nomad.552

4 жыл бұрын

@Star Star so what, why this excites you that much? Its not your business!

@jonbey5996

4 жыл бұрын

@Star Star you idiot they were grouping in mason logias because it was the only safe place abdüldumb cant fuck and stop them fuck your arabized ass

@kubat552

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nomad.552 Guys why are u feeding him ? Just shut up and let him make idle talk.

Ah yes, splitting the domain... a great way to make an empire collapse fast

@enesakhan4032

4 жыл бұрын

as it did with Rome - Gokturks - Mongols etc. :D

@RodolfoGaming

4 жыл бұрын

Hello there protector of the confederation of the rhine. See someone took a page out of the romans

@kubat552

4 жыл бұрын

@@enesakhan4032 And all of them failed except eastern romans :D

@briaormead4239

4 жыл бұрын

Turks often did that throught their history due to the nomadic life they had

@EquilibriumScale

4 жыл бұрын

It obviously was a ruse - he would split it then attack the other half

Bayezid developed an opium addiction. This enraged his father, who punished him severely. Cem meanwhile tried to gain his father's affection by learning all thirteen languages available on Babbel. This worked, but the janissaries considered him a smart-ass because he wouldn't stop bragging about it and chose Bayezid over him as the new Sultan, so he fled into exile. Repeatedly, because Bayezid's army of bots dogpiled his account every time he tried to make a comeback. Worse, he bribed the knights of twitter to suspend Cem's account. Decades later, just as hope of being unsuspended returned, Cem died under mysterious circumstances. Some say the Borgias poisoned his supply of gamergirl bathwater, but that was never proven.

@Caesar88888

4 жыл бұрын

who is gamergirl?

@tasinal-hassan8268

4 жыл бұрын

@@Caesar88888 Bel Delphine.

@JustGrowingUp84

4 жыл бұрын

@Sherlock Smuuug This was beautiful...

@adriansz343

4 жыл бұрын

Virgin Bayezid vs. Chad Cem

@Caesar88888

4 жыл бұрын

@@adriansz343 actually cem got owned so vice verca

Richard the Lionheart would be rolling in his grave if he heard the deal Innocent rejected.

@DarthPlato

4 жыл бұрын

By the time the Third Crusade had ended, Richard made it clear that Jerusalem could not be held long term without first controlling Egypt. Future crusades tried to follow this advice. The video overstates Innocent VIII's commitment to renewing the crusading spirit.

@marcpeterson1092

4 жыл бұрын

On the other hand, Pope Gregory ix would agree. Jerusalem is less important than politics.

@geletoz

2 жыл бұрын

Right? No one in the tc is talking about that. Jerusalem and the Palestine for one guy lol instead he chose 40k ducats

Nobel prize winner Ivo Andrić wrote in one of his book about Cem. I was fascinated when I read about tragic life of this man. Nice to see that someone made a documentary about Cem Sultan. Cem was very educated and loved for a reason. His journey was tragic but he made a lot of friends and put a mark on their life.

Thanks for the great video. I was born in Edirne and now I'm living in Istanbul. When I return to my hometown, I usually walk through the forest near the old palace where once upon a time sultans and princes went hunting. The old palace is now in ruins, but as I walk along I think of the historical events and know that Cem was born in a pavilion here that is now extinct.

How many times have Ottomans came to brink of collapse... but somehow survived. They say Bayezid is a poet one, a slow and less ambitious man which was good for some reasons. But the son of Bayezid, Selim was a very harsh one. Therefore gained the nickname "Harsh". He even fought his father and lost, saw the potential danger in Eastern borders and crushed Mamluks and Safavids in 3 years time. 15th and 16th century is what a time to live in.. imagine the fantastic figures in Europe from leaders to scientists and artists.

@syedferoz2188

3 жыл бұрын

and his reign was the shortest compared to all other ottoman sultans in actual power not the one deposed sadly but good for him his son was ambitious and made a huge mark in history

@afd1040

Жыл бұрын

I never understood this love for Beyazid , his reign wasn't a peaceful one either the only difference he was less competent than his father and son.

Fun Fact: As a tradition, for male Sultans, "Sultan" comes before the name. Like Sultan Mehmet or Sultan Suleyman. But for female characters "Sultan" comes after the name. Like Hurrem Sultan or Kosem Sultan. Calling him Cem Sultan was a way to insult him somehow in those days.

@TheNord06

4 жыл бұрын

But nearly everyone calls him as cem sultan. Is that a subtle propaganda or its just easier to pronounce I wonder 🤔

@mirzakagan5729

4 жыл бұрын

sultan is also just a title denoting they were of a royal dynasty (ottoman). in reality the persian title padishah was used more to refer to the ruling emperor in the ottomans

@cpt.kranos4319

4 жыл бұрын

Wow the turkish people in the turkish channel communicate with english language(and ı am too)its awesome

@TheNord06

4 жыл бұрын

Selman Soy wait turkish channel?

@cpt.kranos4319

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheNord06 ı see them in the flu tv (olmaz öyle saçma tarih) and someone says they are azerbaijan turks

Mehmed II: *Doesn't pull out* - Consort gets pregnant with his 3rd son Mehmed II: *surprised pickachu face*

@tasinal-hassan8268

4 жыл бұрын

Too much fun,I guess.

@jax2728

4 жыл бұрын

Weak pull out game screwed the Ottoman Empire lol

@mystic8265

4 жыл бұрын

He conquered too hard I suppose ;)

@thepepchannel7940

4 жыл бұрын

Pulling out is not close to a guarantee either

@thepepchannel7940

4 жыл бұрын

Milo The Orange well 99% versus eehhhhh seems a lot better to me

Bayezid II is great ottoman leader. Yes he is soft like leader, but his son Selim I is a tough warrior. Sometimes, people often forget Bayezid II send ship to Granada (Al Andalus) to save muslim and jews from Spanish Inquisition

@tasinal-hassan8268

4 жыл бұрын

_"You venture to say that Ferdinand is a great ruler,he who has impoverished his own lands and enriched mine!"_- Sultan Bayezit II

@roz6454

4 жыл бұрын

bayezid II had the nickname bayezid veli, bayezid the saint, because of his altruistic peace loving ways. He always tried solving problems with diplomacy; we have him to thank for rescuing thousands of muslims and jews from the spanish inquisition. He was in many ways ahead of his time.

@piotrgrzelak2613

4 жыл бұрын

Why was he rescuing the jews in particular though?

@dominicguye8058

4 жыл бұрын

@@piotrgrzelak2613 Because they were being forcibly expelled from Spain as a result of the Alhambra Decree. There was also at least one Jew in his court (Moses Capsali) who encouraged this pro-refugee stance.

@piotrgrzelak2613

4 жыл бұрын

@@dominicguye8058 Huh, that's fascinating. The king of Poland, Casimir the great, who gave the most rights to the jews, like immunity to all courts but the ones of the crown itself, was said to have a Jewish lover.

I have always loved the stories of adventures who ended up in the most unlikeliest of places

I guess you could say that Gem Sultan found the hospitality of the Hospitallers lacking.

@TheKingDain

4 жыл бұрын

@Klaidi Rubiku I think in this case it was meant as a joke and a pun.

@jesseberg3271

4 жыл бұрын

@Klaidi Rubiku as Lars pointed out, yes, it's a pun. Hospitaler, hospital, and hospitality all come from the same Latin root word, hospitalis. So inhospitable Hospitalers are a contradiction in terms, they are literally not doing the thing that their name means that they do.

@gokalptozlu9201

4 жыл бұрын

Who are the gem

Cem’s anthem must be an Adele song... *”We could’ve had it aaaaalllll....* *Rolling in the deeeeeeppp...”*

@instantinople3796

4 жыл бұрын

You again

@kostandinmedi1149

4 жыл бұрын

@M-K Production I'm sorry but when you say "Ottomans didn't change the languages of Balkan Nations" you are clearly ignoring the albanian one. Just a reminder , ottomans and later with the support of the greek orthodox church didn't allow us to create albanian schools for 500 years straight contrary to the greeks , serbs and romanians who had schools in their language because they lowered their heads to the ottoman rule with small to no resistance. And you are telling me to respect them for that LOL

@yalcnbey5834

4 жыл бұрын

@@kostandinmedi1149 , "ottomans and later with the support of the greek orthodox church didn't allow us to create albanian schools for 500 years" Typical Balkan lie, trying to blame everything bad on Turks. There was no concept of general education back then. Nobody would care if you opened up a school or not. There was no ban on any language whatsoever during Ottoman rule, because they didn't care. Ottoman state cared about these things only; 1- obey the state (dynasty) 2- pay your taxes 3- don't revolt That's it. All that "oh actually we were the greatest nation on earth until that god forsaken race of devil cavemen arrived and ruined everytihng :'( " mentality is just false. Totally.

@kostandinmedi1149

4 жыл бұрын

@@yalcnbey5834 Well , first of all I speak only about the albanian language and not the other balkan ones, so what's to you a Balkan lie it's an Albanian truth to me. Let me give you an example . Scanderbeg was an Albanian general who was educated by the ottomans and later became the hero we all know, in other words he was an educated albanian who posed probably the biggest threat to the rising ottaman empire. So what the ottomans did was to not allow any albanian to be educated in his language because we were considered a great threat to them. So , it's not like the ottomans didn't care about the education of it's population or didn't implement a ban in languages cuz that's just bullshit , it's like telling me that the albanians chose to stay uneducated for 500 years. The Turks wanted it's population to remain uneducated because they needed uneducated soldiers for their campaigns. And finally , I never said that "the Albanian race/ nation was the best on earth" and didn't want to make such a statement because that would make my comment just racist.

@yalcnbey5834

4 жыл бұрын

​@@kostandinmedi1149 , as I said, fantasies. 1- Albania was never a threat to Ottoman empire. Physically impossible. Realistic in the vein of, Navarre was a threat to France. 2- There was no "banning education", because there was no national education back then, not in the empire, not in anywhere else. That is a modern concept. 3- Albanians did stay uneducated for 500 years, just like everyone else. The only country that reached a reasonable level of literacy before Enlightenment was Japan. In everywhere else, almost all peasants were illiterate, and peasants formed the vast majority of every nation. 4- Turks did not need Albanians as soldiers. They were recruited as light infantry, but that's all. We were always a militaristic nation, you don't become one by depending on other peoples' soldiers. 5- You didn't say Alabnia was the best, and you didn't have to. By claiming that Albanians were a great threat to Ottomans, you supported my proposition. Indeed, all Balkan nations have similar fantesies, about how great they once were, how they stalled the Turkish advance for 783 years, how much Europe owes them for their heroic defense, how one time their 3 thousand strong peasant army annihilated a Turkish army of 200 thousand janissaries and the Padishah barely escaped and so on and so forth. A bunch of fantasies aimed to make you feel as if your history was much more important to the world than it actually was. Banning Albanian education because Albania was a great threat to Ottoman empire. That sums it up.

This channel deserves to be the highest ranked history channel.

@zacharybiehler1092

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't it already?

The Mamluks offered the Papal States the holy land and they said NO?! That's not something they mention in your average history class. That's a big deal, failure or not.

@DarthPlato

4 жыл бұрын

They said no, because it was no longer a popular idea. Some years after this the Portuguese tried to float the idea of landing in Arabia, capture Mecca, offer an exchange for Jerusalem. Whole thing evaporated because of lack of interest. It's easy for the present to stereotype the past.

@worldofthought8352

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarthPlato I know my history class did show a overview of the crusades highlighting the politics, and that the 4th crusade was just an assault on Byzantine itself was evidence that the ideology of "restoring" Jerusalem had evaporated at that point.

@DarthPlato

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the Fourth Crusade did sack Constantinople, that's true--but that event is not a good example to use. The Fourth suffered because there was no powerful figure, monarch or otherwise, that was willing to lead the campaign to Egypt, and then to Jerusalem. And this was inside ten years after the Third Crusade. What ended up happening was that a renegade Byzantine prince arrived and asked for the campaign to detour to Constantinople and place him on the throne as Alexius IV. He offered money and an end to the East/West Schism. And this was on top of the other problems that were transpiring that threatened to derail the entire campaign. Accepting the prince's plan, it was argued, was the best way forward. But there were plenty of participants who were very worried about what they were doing, and for many different reasons. Constantinople ended up getting sacked because Alexius IV, after the crusaders had put him in power, didn't pay the money he said he'd pay. A Latin Byzantine state was created in the ashes. That, in my opinion, was the true fall of the Byzantine Empire.

@Caysari

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarthPlato hahaha what an idea but I think they would had an easier time conquering jerusalem itself then mecca If that happend I could seen something like a muslim version of a crusade going on

@Euzuner41

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarthPlato portequise did pretty good at arabic shores at these timez

I've just got to say, how the hell is this channel so consistently good? It's amazing. I'd love to see a blog, or video explaining the process that goes into the videos, and maybe some info on the people who work on them. Genuinely, thanks for making these!

Man this guy lived a tragic life, but it's a great story to tell.

@livefreeordie7598

4 жыл бұрын

I remember from this series that his brother died in capivity as well, most likely mistreated by his captor Timor.

@hotpoteita245

4 жыл бұрын

Livefree Ordie nah, but his son stayed in rhodes and became christian. even fought against ottomans in 1521, siege of rhodes and get executed by suleiman the magnificent.

@hotpoteita245

4 жыл бұрын

Livefree Ordie his great great parent is captured by timur, which is bayezid the first or bayezid the lightning.

Finally you did the important change for making the names bigger and clearer to read and the story followed by dates !! The map is also stunning! Thank you so much!!

@KingsandGenerals

4 жыл бұрын

No problem 😊

I really liked hearing this story. I found it particularly sad that ultimately Cem just wanted to live out the rest of his days in peace in a Muslim nation as his brother had once offered, but it was too late for such a life. It's very relatable to someone who left their home permanently or long term for their career, or for opportunities or adventure, and eventually finds themselves wishing they had never left.

Please never stop making videos. Don't know what I'll ever do without you guys.

I recommend reading "The damned yard" by the nobel prize winner Ivo Andric. It has a story about Cem sultan inside the main story.

@ahmet-eo1zd

4 жыл бұрын

Ivo andric is a hard nationalist he writes sided

@look7236

4 жыл бұрын

Truly great story!

@look7236

4 жыл бұрын

@@ahmet-eo1zd Wtf. Evidence?

@milandrmr9497

4 жыл бұрын

@@ahmet-eo1zd ??? Ah yes patriot=nationalist=chauvinist

@ahmet-eo1zd

4 жыл бұрын

@@look7236 just read his books you will understand

This high quality map and graphic simply is amazing! Keep up bro!!

Romans and the Ottomans are the only empires worth talking about

@moonson8804

4 жыл бұрын

And Mongol/China are great as well

@furpleshlupmuckleblock8949

3 жыл бұрын

and the Persian Empire

As a turkish I had never heard of his stpry before,I got angry at him at first but hearing he regretted ever going abroad made me sad :( this is one of the greatest history videos I've watched..

Brillant video guys! Really loving these new animations. Keep it up!

You could also mention that the only surviving son of Cem, Murat, was converted to Christianity taking the name Pierre. Decades later, he was executed by Suleyman after the conquest of Rhodes even though he was Christian and posing no significant threat to throne. Turkish sources say that the son of Murat, Cem, was also executed but according to Christian sources, he had moved to Malta taking the name Nicola and lived there until his death in 1536. One of the grandchildren of Cem even married a member of the last Byzantine Dynasty.

Geez, he was 35 and had the life experiences of an 80 year old.

what the beauty of this channel is, how they narrate a historic event without being biased. Great work guys

I highly respect that you add proper subtitles to your videos. Thanks

Absolutely stunning presentation and narration. This right here along with so much of everything your team has achieved puts to shame decades, maybe much longer supposed feats of historical learning from the public and even higher learning institutions. One can learn more about the feats of great names through K&G than an entire tenure in higher education Easy and do it in a life time, all through you and your team's hard work. May your quest go long and prosperous.

Another fascinating chapter of world history that I knew next to nothing about. Thank you, K&Gs, for helping me through the quarantine with your beautiful and well-done videos.

@KingsandGenerals

4 жыл бұрын

Stay safe!

These stories are beautiful of historical figures we didn't know existed. Thank you for this. A great video as always

Bayezid offered to spend a peacefull life in Jerusalem then paying Night Hospitallers to keep him alive. Was nice man.

@mustafasanane237

4 жыл бұрын

Living is not optional when someone else sit on your throne. One way or another he is going to get killed, and he was know it.

@95bekirable

4 жыл бұрын

Not to keep kim alive, but to keep him imprisoned. Knights threatened with releasing the Cem, who would once again wage war against his brother. That's why Bayezid agreed to pay.

Never been this early for a kings and generals video before!

Died at 35 right when things were turning around? Yeah, seems like poison to me

@khalidh442

4 жыл бұрын

Life expectancy at that time was like 45

@braxtonfriday8713

4 жыл бұрын

@@khalidh442, that's mainly because infant mortality was super high. For people of royal status they could have a good chance to live into their 50's or 60's

@Zulfi0198

4 жыл бұрын

@@khalidh442 then you lickely havent heard of beyazid II grandson.. Suleiman the magnificent who was almost 72 when he died on the battlefield(of disease)

@jorenvanderark3567

4 жыл бұрын

@@khalidh442 Thanks to high child mortality, not generally shorter lives.

Thank you very much for this topic. Didnt expect this from you guys. Not many know Cem and his sad destiny. They say, that Cem was very much like his father Mehmed the Conqueror, warlike, therefore burecrauts in Constantinople rather preferred Bayezid, than Cem.

I read about this at least twice before, but never really felt as moved by Cem's story as this. Honestly great narrating.

Damn , You just can't get bored with Ottoman history !!

“When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground.” -- Cersei from the GoT

Thank you for another great video as usual

Amazing video with many details of history that are most of the time overlooked.

That's cool that you're doing videos on the Ottoman Empire. I've been extremely interested in them lately. I've been finding they were a lot more diverse than I thought.

@alexvlaxos6620

4 жыл бұрын

Diverce in what way?

@Blalack77

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexvlaxos6620 Just like genetically and culturally. They were kind of at the crossroads of the world between the Middle East and Europe and not exactly like either.

@alexvlaxos6620

4 жыл бұрын

@@Blalack77 well yeah they are asiatic nomads,but also heavily mixed with Greeks,arabs and whoever else lived close !

@Blalack77

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexvlaxos6620 yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I find those kinds of places/people interesting - where multiple cultures converge.

I love your editing kings and generals And your narration

@KingsandGenerals

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@simpletrailers1161

4 жыл бұрын

@@KingsandGenerals can you guys share the source of hitting thr cradle? Me and bunch of people wondering about it in the comment section

As always, super work. Thank you.

He Cems to be a great guy.

@didnothingwrong7382

4 жыл бұрын

He was a real cem

@Zirtpirt070

4 жыл бұрын

Hes name is cem but you pronounce it as jam

Yes Kings and Generals give me more ottoman stuff while i chill in quarantine and play eu4 i love you guys

What a journey and what beautiful way of telling it. Good job guys, thank you! This would be an awesome TV series though! Such an adventure

@KingsandGenerals

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I was waiting for Cem video, awesome!!

man you can't but sympathize what a hard life cem's lived

@cihattekin562

4 жыл бұрын

@Yung Prodigy yeah lol, ottomans were exactly what you would look for in a muslim, especially the conqueror himself

Thanks for the video. Cem Sultan is always a great story for Turkish people. Can you also made a video for the conflict of Selim I and his brothers which is the most challenging and interesting conflict between princes in my opinion.

What a video! Excellent job K&G.

Great video from a group of great people who created a very good channel. Thanks for all you do.

Is it weird that his death at the end actually saddened me? He was so close to his ambitions and it all slowly slipped away one last time.

Görün gerdûn-ı dûnun himmetini Bu gurbetde Cem'i bîmâr kıldı one of his poetrys in homesickness, meaning: look, what the filthy time made made cem sick in exile

@n.a.o.2475

4 жыл бұрын

Arapça-farsça karışık olan bi dilde yazmışsın. Neden gerçek Türkçesini yazmadın. İngilizcesi bile daha anlaşılır.

@n.a.o.2475

3 жыл бұрын

@koksal ceylan osmnlı tarihteki en büyük türk düşmanıdır.

@ravige1879

3 жыл бұрын

@@n.a.o.2475 ne mal adamsin

@josefstalin266

3 жыл бұрын

@@n.a.o.2475 geri zekalısın ya o zaman Türkçe dili devlet dili değildir ki şu an bilir Türkçe Arapça ve Farsçada oluşuyor tek fark şimdi ırkçı. O zaman dinciyid

Wonderful video, thanks Kings and Generals

tjx for the content, amazing job guys

Glad, as usual, to be among the first to watch these stunningly detailed graphics, hear this awesome music and sfx, and the awesome narration and well written script!

@KingsandGenerals

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks :-)

@gianlucaborg195

4 жыл бұрын

@@KingsandGenerals You are most welcome. Thank you for your time and energy to making these!

@alioshax7797

4 жыл бұрын

@@KingsandGenerals Are you making theses graphics yourself ? If so, wow, you're impressive. Good job anyway, your videos are always awesome.

@omgbruhohhellnahmanwtfman9558

2 жыл бұрын

@@alioshax7797 they have a whole team. This narrator devin just narrate

Man lived 3 lifetimes in those 35 years.

Excellent video, just as all the others. Great quality channel, well done!

Love the new map style Kings and General. Please keep this one. It has mountains in it...helps us visualize the terrain.

This is just pathetically sad Imagine being the son of mehmed the conqueror and allowing yourself to be used like this... It seems like Beyazid was saddened by his death aswell despite all the conflict

@yogi_gs

4 жыл бұрын

Beyazid can pay the knight to kill cem But decide to pay money so his brother can still live

I love and am very much looking forward to more ottoman videos KnG! I think they're such a underrated empire and so very interesting in the way they did things, i suppose it could be because they are a blend of roman and muslim styles that really did lead to the "ultimate' empire!

Once again an interesting historical figure i had little knowledge of. Kudos to you Kings and Generals

Your Ottoman Series are so good. Waiting for more

Fascinating story! Would make a amazing movie or an epic series

What a fantastic video, by the end I thought Cem was in his 60's or something, not 35 given how much had happened. It also made me remember that Cem's character features in the Borgias and is poisoned if I remember correctly.

great video as always

Wow, this entire life-story is outrageous. Truly, truly, truly outrageous.

Love these series on specific stories. Would you consider doing stories on south america? Like the war of the triple alliance or the war between chile and bolivia

Will of a dying English Monarch; My son Wilbur shall take the throne as my 2nd son John shall be the lord of the Castle of Stanford and it’s surrounding villages as my 3rd son Alfred shall be the prince of... An Ottoman Monarch Dies; Dear sons, MAY THE BEST MAN WIN!

@jalpat2272

4 жыл бұрын

ya, but after all wacky things after war of roses and henry reigns then the four georges to victorian era until today it was rarely straight father to son line but jumbled drift between cousins that made a german house ruled british isle today.

@mh-tw4kx

3 жыл бұрын

Also england: War of the roses time

Wow this new map is really good! Nice work! :)

Hello, greetings from Istanbul. I very love your channel. You do great things. Good days...

damn the map at 2:16 got me for a sec there, I thought the land and the sea was the other way around!

@amirashraf6422

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah! What a weird Constantinople is that!

Guy looks like he's lived 100 years at the twilight of his life! Especially funny for me cuz Cem means hundred in portuguese 👍🤣

@tezcanuyank3446

4 жыл бұрын

In turkish Portugal is "Portekiz" and because of that we called you "Portakal Milleti" Orange People(fruit not colour)

@RodolfoGaming

4 жыл бұрын

@@tezcanuyank3446 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣there's some funny translations for sure across the languages.

@mohamedelhaddade6371

4 жыл бұрын

@@tezcanuyank3446 lol we say portkiz when we talk about Portugal in Morocco hh

Great work full support

1. Bayezid was supported people of devshirme system such as pashas and janissaries and cem was supported by turkish families and communities. When Bayezid successed throne, Turks remained in the background and Ottoman was more like Byzantine. 2. Bayezid sent st. jean baptiste's hand to Knights Hospitaller and holy lance(now in Rome) to Pope Innocent VIII to encourage the pope to continue to keep his brother and rival Cem Sultan prisoner. 3. After his death, Bayezid declared national mourning for three days. He also requested to have Cem's body for a Islamic funeral, but it was not until four years after Cem's death that his body was finally brought to the Ottoman lands because of attempts to receive more gold for Cem's corpse. 4. Cem had three sons and two daughters. Her son Şehzade Abdullah and her daughters Ayşe Sultan died at a young age. Oğuz Han, his eldest son, was in Istanbul while his father was in exile and was poisoned by Bayezid at the age of nine in February 1483. Her daughter Gevher Melike, who lives in Egypt, died in 1505 in Istanbul. Şehzade Murad went to Rhodes during his father's exile and married an Italian woman named Maria Concetta Doria. He became a Christian and was baptized, named Pierre, and was made principe de sayd by Pope Alexander the 6th. After Rhodes fell into the hands of the Turks in 1522, he was strangled by Suleiman the Magnificent. The Turkish and Vatican dates always give the same information until now, but there is an important conflict between them: While the Turkish dates were written that Cem Sultan's son Murad was executed with his child named Cem; the archives of Malta, Rhodes and Vatican were not killed Cem, he took the name Nicola. They say that he settled in Malta and lived here until his death in 1536. In the 2001, a historian named George Alexander Said-Zammit said he was descended from the prince. The strange fate of the descendants of Sultan Cem continued. Some of the descendants of the prince marry the members of the Vassallo family from the Byzantine aristocracy, who were relatives of the the last Byzantine emperor Konstantin Dragasis Paleologos dynasty and became the Byzantine Count and Prince of Said and Vassallo. Giuseppe Said-Vassallo, head of this family's branch, who is both a Prince de said and Byzantine Count and now lives in Australia.

@tasinal-hassan8268

4 жыл бұрын

Some say that Mehmet II may have also converted to Christianity. He was,afterall,the first Sultan to have the Bible translated into Turkish.

@hakanakman4526

4 жыл бұрын

Tasin Al-Hassan Mehmet II was a very smart and strange person and I'm sure he is not christian. Yes he ordered the patriarch Gennadius(Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople) to translate Christian doctrine into Turkish because he saw himself as a Roman emperor and he just wanted to learn Roman and Greek culture. He had thousands of works, including the Iliad of Homer. He received information about Christianity from Genadios II was interpreted as the sultan's inclination towards Christianity in Europe. Pope II. Pius wrote a letter inviting Fatih to Christianity. The letter says that the sultan was baptized with a drop of water, and that by accepting the Bible, Fatih could be recognized as the Roman emperor. According to a Turkish historian Halil Inalcik says that the letter reached Fatih but the sultan did not consider it. For a while after writing this letter, Pope II. Pius decided to organize a new Crusade. And finally he wanted to invade Rome and Italy and captured Otranto but his health deteriorated and died. Some people say Italians poisoned him. So Ottoman never invaded Italy.

@az-dl7qm

4 жыл бұрын

Bayezid seems like a decent person.

@tasinal-hassan8268

4 жыл бұрын

@@az-dl7qm He was the best.

At least he travelled a lot in his life!! :)

@TheWolf-xe2kz

4 жыл бұрын

Yes,so exciting,from one dungeon to another. . .

@byzantinetales

4 жыл бұрын

The Wolf I said that ironically :)

@Euzuner41

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWolf-xe2kz sad:(

Poor guy lost his will to live at the end.

@saiien2

4 жыл бұрын

Or he was poisoned. Things were turning to his favor finally and he died. It's quite suspicious.

Thanks for the great documentary. Rescpects.

Interesting episode, nice!

His story is pretty sad 😔. Betrayed multiple times, it seems like his brother was always one move ahead of him

19:20 the sound effects of Age of empires II

@ravige1879

4 жыл бұрын

i honestly was waiting for the trebuchet shot landing sound

Sad Story, Great Video 👍🏻

I happen to be staying in a hotel. I decide to tune in on the TV and see what is playing. Pawn Stars rerun. I turn off the TV and check my youtube, guess what I see, almost two dozen amazing history channels all with recent videos. Chief among them being Kings and Generals. You are doing far beyond mainstream!