A great summary, very well researched. Personally, when I deep dive into my autosomal dna as a Brit, I always end up with Iberian signals. A few commercial ancestry testing services have picked it up and when I've paid for bespoke analyses via people like Eurogenes, the signal is always there, despite no Iberian influence in my paper trail. I've looked at some of my colleagues and friends results (we are all from the west midlands or north Wales) and exactly the same thing, trace Iberian signals in British DNA. Interesting stuff.

I remember as a kid in the 70s reading about the leaf shape bronze age swords in Britain and since then have always been suspicious of the Hallstatt(!) theory. Many arguments arose with my history teacher in Casnewydd, Cymru (sorry, Mr. Williams). Great video.

I agree with this new theory which you and Barry Cunliffe and many others have brought to the worlds attention, thank you.

Quarter of the way through and id just like to highlight that the earliest Bell Beaker burial is in Portugal, isnt it strange that the earliest recorded burial is at the opposite side of Europe as to where the supposed origin of the Bell Beakers is...

I'm reading it these days, just bought their last volume "Exploring Celtic Origins" where they add the data from the last decade of genetic research. They have convinced me so far. One of their greater points is the discovery and identification of Southwestern Iberian inscriptions as written in a Celtic language. And plus, even one of them indicating that one of the men buried there was from further north (Tasioonos), confirming the Atlantic connection that archaeology proved. P. S: Nice musical taste! P.P.S Subscribed!

@redl1ner170

Жыл бұрын

Celtic??... right. EUSKERA..........ENGLISH tarte...................interval tartean...............in between tartesian............breach Euskera is not a celtic language.

@roicervino6171

Жыл бұрын

@@redl1ner170 ?

Appreciate the content as always.

This is such an intriguing theory. I’ve read some of the criticisms yet these arguments keep bringing me back to this.

I genuinely appreciate your content, and this video got my attention especially for Secunda as background music, it is a different atmosphere when talking about this subject, in a nostalgic and calm music. As I am closer to reading sources and written history, this does not remove my interest in observing the most diverse thoughts among the science of linguistics, in order to understand more deeply the roots of what connects and precedes the history interpreted by primary sources. It's my first time getting into this channel and I wasn't disappointed!

@dorasmith7875

2 жыл бұрын

Soothing hypnosis?

Ogham connects everything! 🍀

@celtofcanaanesurix2245

4 жыл бұрын

luke tracey quite literally as all the words are pierced by one line

The big issue is : Why Q Celtic is in Ireland when Ireland is the western part of Europe ? Q Celtic is close to PanIndoEuropean. This localisation of Q Celtic is an argument that shows that the first Celts were all using the Q version and that the P Celtic is the later evolution of Q Celtic. The contrary is completely impossible.

@geneberrocal3220

Жыл бұрын

Are you simply saying that Ireland would make more sense as the starting point rather than Britain or Iberia? Or are you postulating something else?

@PatrickJouannes

Жыл бұрын

@@geneberrocal3220 I postulate that the first Celts were Q Celts and they went from the East to the West. There was a first wave and that first wave occupied Ireland and was never remplaced by a second wave of P Celts also come from the east but certainly a bit later. Exactly the same process like in Greece.

@mercianthane2503

Жыл бұрын

@@PatrickJouannes This makes much more sense. Indeed, Proto-Celts, Italics and Greeks must have had once speak a Q-form of their languages. The Mycenaean Greek word for horse is "hikkos" and not "hippos" like in the Koine Greek. The P-Greek speakers probably were Dorians who arrived around 1200 to 1100 BC, and I can see the same in the other linguistic groups I mentioned. So you are correct.

@garrettbarry2547

Жыл бұрын

I agree. For a long time Ireland was very isolated because of its location in the very north west of Europe. It would make sense that the language spoken there would be older. Also explains why their genetics are most closely related to the earliest groups of people after the ice age. They experienced less invasion and migration compared to Britain and mainland Europe

@johnpatrick5307

Жыл бұрын

@@PatrickJouannes Yes, you're correct! - there was a mass migration into Britain by Anatolian farmers about 1000BC, bringing Welsh (P Celtic) with them (see Mass Migration into Britain in late Bronze Age).

Afraid you’re mistaken about the lack of word borrowing from a non-IE language in insular Celtic. Most terms for marine animal resources endemic to the northern Atlantic in q-Celtic have been borrowed from an earlier language. Partan being the classic example with animal names all ending in -an. The continuity of west coast hunter gathers both culturally and genetically across the Neolithic-bronze transition has recently been shown. They later merge into immigrant beaker folk. This does show however that Neolithic farmers appear to have disappear and only marine focused people on the western edge survived the beaker invasion.

@icarusrising355

2 жыл бұрын

That's really interesting, do you have more info on this or any sources? I wonder also about the Neolithic continuation into the beaker era, as Irish oral tradition seems to accurately tell tales about neolithic kings in newgrange.

@kevingriffin1376

Жыл бұрын

If the first Indo-Europeans in Britain and Ireland did not already have their own word for crab, it would make sense that they borrowed the name used by the "locals": en.wiktionary.org/wiki/part%C3%A1n#Old_Irish

Really interesting, thank you.

this makes more sense than what I have heard from others ... very good ...

Very interesting book 'Celtic from the west' really recommend it to anyone interested in the subject 👌

A Celtic invasion of Britain may be indicated from the common tribal names of the Belgae and Parisi found on Britain and also on the European continent. There is also the legendary Fir Bolg of Ireland who may refer to the Belgae. Also a Celtic invasion of Britain may not have resulted in a significant genetic change if they were of basically the same IE stock as the existing Beaker descended inhabitants of Britain. The example of the Scots minority (from Dal Riada) taking over the more populous Pictish kingdom (and later the Cymbric, Anglian and Norse settled areas) and replacing their culture(s) could be an example of how a small number of elite Celtic warriors could have come to dominate, and culturally change, the pre-existing British population.

@O3177O

3 жыл бұрын

It wasnt just the that sept , many went to alba , sometimes gaels were banish there under brethon law

@seantolson6223

3 жыл бұрын

The only trouble is that genetic evidence among Gaelic people suggests a common Celtic paternal lineage with variable maternal lineages, meaning that Celts would have been dominant enough that they would have taken all the women one way or another and thus outbred the native male population through polygamy. I haven’t seen whether or not this carries over to Britons or Gauls, however.

@liquidoxygen819

2 жыл бұрын

@Airborne Poet and the Purple Patriots I think the Mexican population is actually on average about 60% European. I don't know how that holds up in other Latin American countries, however

@thegreenmage6956

2 жыл бұрын

@Airborne Poet and the Purple Patriots If you have turned your face from your forebears to look upon the Desert God, you have betrayed your ancestors and brought shame upon us all.

@atkkeqnfr

2 жыл бұрын

@Airborne Poet the Aztecs died off from disease. Mexicans like to think of themselves as Aztecs but they are from other related tribes.

good work!

Siempre me a gustado el mundo celta y de hecho me siento celtibero. No sólo me siento ¡¡¡ Soy Celtibero !!! 🇪🇸

Much to share brother, have just emailed you. Good work, you are doing gods work here. I can explain all, thanks to our heavenly father. They weren't into human sacrifice, but they did believe that only death can pay for a life taken.

Interesting summing up of new interpretations of British archaeology. Archaeologists tend to see continuity or change as it pleases them and their theory at the moment. The tendency today is for the British to see themselves as autochtonous and you can find a lot of things in archaeology to support this. On the other hand, British archaeology is a series of discontinuities and its historical period is full of language changes: from Celtic to Latin, from Latin to Germanic, partially to Scandinavian, from Germanic partially to French... it is improbable that before historical sources it was otherwise in the British Isles and that there were many language replacements, most of which are not even visible in the archaeological material.

Good Stuff. Thanks. Well I think with the French Paper on Ancient DNA it basically sounds the Death Bell of the Celtic from Hallstatt theory. No major demographic changes from the Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age in France. This is significant since France must have had a big Bronze Age Population maybe bordering a Million people. Ireland estimated at around 200 000. There should have been a significant demographic change visible somewhere in France to change the Language of a +-Million people. But there is not. So Gaulish most probably developed out of locals whose Ancestors already lived in France at least since the Middle Bronze Age.

I always thought that some Spaniards or even Mexicans look like some celtic people in movies. Well, at least they have some traits that are shared with the forest people. The movie ''Ondine'' (2009) is great and it reminds me a lot of the celtic culture.

We have a lot of those swords in Portugal, One historian even Said on TV those Balls in the end represented testicles ....Celta were funny 😂😂😂

Celts from the West is the most plausible scenario to date when (as you say) the totality of the evidence is reviewed. But archaeology is a very dogmatic field! And getting archeologists to let go of said dogma and look at things with an open mind, well... challenging to say the least. That said, I am confident that the old traditional theory is on its last legs, and as we learn more and more, upholding that view will become more and more difficult. Now, whether the Celts from the West theory is ultimately the truth of how it really happened remains to be seen, but clearly its very presence in the discussion now has shown that the traditional view is really a house of cards.

@Jamestele1

2 жыл бұрын

I remember emailing famous archeologist Simon James when DNA genealogy first became a thing, 20-odd years ago. He was butt-hurt about being humiliated by science, considering his entire schtick was "There were never people called Celts, it's a modern invention". He was literally angry in his responses.

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

DNA , from bronze age does not backs that theory

I think the most likely scenario is that "bell beaker" culture was always "Celtic", that all bell beaker groups inevitably developed into iron age celtic cultures, this of course would include the Anglo Saxons and their neighbours, the evidence for this is scarce but the Cimbri of the Jutland peninsula not only share their name with the river "Humber", "Cumbria" and "Cymru" but also were described by the Greeks as being celtic. This means the ingvaeonic speaking areas of germania were possibly Celtic speaking as late at 109bc, there's also the question of why Tíw has a right arm but not Tyr, I'd speculate this as being a result of Tíw's name being transimposed on the name of the bell beaker god that we would know as Nuada.

@fatmanyevo6235

3 жыл бұрын

@@Frederick1483 that doesn't make it right though lol

@kamion53

2 жыл бұрын

When the Ingvaeonic speaking areas spoke Celtic as late as 100 BC, would there not been more Celtic remnant in those languages? ain't Tiw, Tiwaz and Tyr not different names for the same god, mix of war and solargod. Tyr lost his hand when it was bitten off by Fenris, Nuada lost his whole arm in battle which afterward was replaced by a silver arm. Also the loss of limb had a different function. In Tyr's case it enabled the gods to tie up Fenriss, in Nuada it's caused the loss of kingship, which could only be bestowd on a man unbleamished. Their tales are too different to be the same god. Also when the belbeaker god was incorperated his name would have kept more sounds like Nuada of Necthan or Nodens in the change. Just as happens to the Etruscan gods when incorperated in the Roman pantheon.

@damionkeeling3103

2 жыл бұрын

Cumbria and Cymru come from a postulated combroges, Humber is not related. Cimbri is possibly related to a slavic word meaning farmer and this would made more sense as an ancient connection with combroges would require something closer to cimbroges. Cimbri could be related to Cymry/u if the name had appeared in the middle ages but it doesn't. Some names are just similar like the Santones of southern Gaul, Senones of central Gaul and Semnones of Germania. There are also the Veneti of the Baltic, Armorica and Northern Italy and bearing in mind that these names have all come via Latin, not their original cultures. You can also throw in Venetia, the Latin form of Gwynedd which has no relation to the Venetis above.

@damionkeeling3103

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamion53 Why would there be a remnant? What remnant of Irish remains in the English spoken in Ireland and that's despite Irish still being spoken in Ireland. Remnants only survive in culturally specific tasks so most of the Gallic words that survived in French are from rural activities that Latin didn't replace and only because Gaulish survived for centuries as the language of the countryside alongside Latin. Same with Galician in Spain, there is even a whole terminology around wagon parts which are Celtic. There were probably many Celtic survivals in English during the middle ages but these were lost as technology improved and the old terms became obsolete and that's ignoring that the Anglo-Saxons came from a similar farming background as the Britons so brought their own rural terms with them.

@Jamestele1

2 жыл бұрын

@@damionkeeling3103 But there is actually no question that many modern Germans are as Celtic as they are Germanic, genetically and historically. As the Germanic people are a hybrid of proto-celtic and Baltic people mixing.

Happy Bealtaine for everyone observing it on this day!

@calebschuster2878

4 жыл бұрын

Happy Beltaine!

@sarad6627

4 жыл бұрын

I'm waiting for the cross-quarter day on May 5.

@lowlandnobleman6746

4 жыл бұрын

I’m waiting until the 10th of this month, for Southern Memorial Day.

@peterhoulihan9766

4 жыл бұрын

Bealtaine maith daoibh!

@lenormand4967

3 жыл бұрын

Which young boy did you sacrifice? Give us the name of your victim?

We are Atlantics, that is why we sailed and joinned the entire planet!

What was the significant relative advantage that allowed Celtic influence to move west to east? We know agriculture, metallurgy and the horse spread east to west, so what was the USP that allowed western Gaelic influence to then swim against this tide?

Verrry interesting theory. There’s a saying that goes something like “history is in the name of the victor”

At the end of the video, you said "when you take in all the arguments 'it' does not seem likely." Sorry, I got lost on the antecedent. What is "it"? Is it the old Hallstat theory? Or is it the Celtic from the West theory? Which one are you saying is not likely?

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

He is saying that the genetic argument of a 10% input in the late Bronze or early lron age of a supposed Celtic invasion is not likely. He sees no shift, but continuity, genetically wise. So yes, it would reject the old Hallstatt theory.

@bredmond812

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardlongues4695 Great! That is basically what I thought. Thanks!

@FortressofLugh

4 жыл бұрын

Hallstatt

@bredmond812

4 жыл бұрын

@J. Smith that is great information. I don't know why youtube didn't notify me. I only found out when the next poster replied. Thanks

I wonder what role doggerland Player in the cultures in the surrounding areas both while it existed and later

@billyelliot4141

3 жыл бұрын

A place for good shoes. And occasional harvests of fish on land. A very worrying place i think.

@desdichado-007

3 жыл бұрын

Doggerland had been gone for thousands of years already during the cultures being discussed in this video.

@dustinmagner2039

3 жыл бұрын

Man, now I’m wondering how many of the “sea peoples” were celts.

@billyelliot4141

3 жыл бұрын

@@dustinmagner2039 11

@dustinmagner2039

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm, I was hoping for better numbers. I am Jack’s minor disappointment

So, How does Hekla 3 eruption play in to these developments? Perhaps i missed it ?

The Celt's clearly came from the West yes, but they have an Irish origin not a British one. Newgrange is older than the Egyptian pyramids, dated to 3200BC far older than stonehenge. We still speak the celtic language to this day. Maps shown in this video ignore that almost every place name in Ireland has a celtic place name.

Cesar mentioned that the Gauls from Belgium to Bretagne were more pure celts than their eastern siblings

Professor Koch's surname is pronounced like the profession of the person who prepares meals: Cook.

@FortressofLugh

3 жыл бұрын

Really? But I know of other people with the same surname...Well if it ever comes up again I will look into it more carefully.

@susanwozniak6354

3 жыл бұрын

@@FortressofLugh Professor Koch taught my first class in Celtic Studies at Harvard. The first thing he did in that class was to explain how his family pronounced their name.

@SionTJobbins

Жыл бұрын

I see John often when I walk the Promenade in Aberystwyth. Wonderful kind and intelligent man. I always bug him asking wherevand why the 'll' came into the Welsh language and not any other language!

who was in charge when what was found (that we know of) came to the fore?

Britain may have seemed a desirable place to base themselves because of the defensibility of an island.

Bell beaker aka celts from the area of greater scythia in the east, by sea to iberia and Britain in the west, then back eastwards across Europe. See declaration of arbroath? Yamnaya r1b from steppe most common in West Europe while r1a (corded ware) more common in East (spread by land westward from the east) , celtic from the west along with oral traditions might explain this layout

@camerongagne9722

2 жыл бұрын

So basically followed the sun, until the settled in Ireland?

@jacobb9486

2 жыл бұрын

@@camerongagne9722 yeah in a sense West to iberia then after a time north to Britain is my guess

"You live in a Bellll Baker world, you just don't know it yet" 🤣

@Quacklebush

7 ай бұрын

yup

the Neolithic Farmer folk of the G2a genetic Y Haplogroup are of much interest to me, and their culture in early Europe pre-Indo-European migrations.

If we consider the Irish / Scottish monks living on islands such as Iona and the Skelligs, we can make the case that continental "Celts" would have their holy men (druids) living on mystical islands in the ocean. We really need an explanation for the differences between Goidelic and Brythonic languages. It's very hard to believe they developed independently of each other in the islands with no known dialect continuum. It really looks like Goidelic was replaced in Britain by a second Indo-European migration from the continent much as Brythonic was replaced by English during the historical era.

Atlantic highway connection? Ogham stones and Celtic crosses are commn in Cornwall and Devon. The Belgae deffo invaded/settled the southern part of Britain around the time of the Roman invasion, perhaps displaced by the Roman invasion of Gaul? Over 85% of place names in Cornwall are p Celtic from the Cornish language itself, e.g. Penzance, Redruth, Bodmin, Liskeard, Praze an Beeble, Chy an Mor, Polgooth, Trewhella, etc etc. I have noticed placenames beginning with 'tre' in northern Italy, which I suspect is Celtic in origin.

This however interferes with the ideas of the linguist Peter Schrijver and his claim that the Irish language did not enter Ireland until the first century AD

An excellent presentation. And a very valid hypothesis. The enormous shared vocabulary between Irish and Latin is certainly noteworthy. Probably Old Irish and Early Latin ...even more so. Modern irish word for Dog is Madra....but the Old Word was Cu or Con......not far from the Latin 'Cane'. We can be certain there was SOME connection between the two Worlds. But what exactly, who can tell ? And considering that the Roman Empire never got to Ireland.....the connections are probably much much older. Celts from the West, was mirrored much later.....after the 6th or 7th Century AD, irish monks imported Christianity back into Dark Ages Europe. ie a Cultural invasion from the North Atlantic fringe. Maybe these monks were copying their Celt predecessors ?

I had not understood this theory before this video, as I have not yet taken the time to read Prof. Cunliffe's work on this, but a western origin and eastern migration is entirely plausible, and is inferred from an "Italo-Celtic/Proto-Celtic" Bronze Age migration to the Isles from the lowlands off the coast of The Netherlands, and an eastward migration or cultural influence through trade and technology in the later Bronze Age and early Iron Age. Thus Proto-Celtic and Celtic, especially the development of Q-Celtic languages, is a natural development of the Italo-Celtic branch of Proto-Indo European which came to the Isles with the Bell Beaker migration.

There was a Neolithic/Bronze Age cusp replacement of Megalithic Old Europeans by India-Europeans in Atlantic Europe. It is possible that there was a regional climactic/famine and/or epidemic catastrophe that left the region depopulated for the Indo-Europeans to walk onto empty lands. Neolithic and Bronze Age migration to Ireland and establishment of the insular Atlantic genome. www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368

An invasion comes to enslave a settler comes to create

@luketracey3269

4 жыл бұрын

Dispatcher 🍀

What if celts from the west where the Q celts, and the Urnfield was the P celts, that would explain the Irish myth of the Milesians, and explains the the 10% boost in Central European in British Dna around the supposed Celtic invasions, and the Galatians having only Central European and not British DNA

@Catubrannos

4 жыл бұрын

@Noah Pritchett There's no reason to suppose that the culture we today regard as Celtic only came from one source, La Tene art shows eastern influence, chariots certainly came from the east. I think the earlier vehicle burials were wagons which don't appear in Britain then later the chariot becomes more popular. Chariot burials in Britain are mostly from the Arras culture which was likely the domain of the Parisi, a tribe with the same name as the Gallic tribe that Paris is named after.

@Drew_Thompson

4 жыл бұрын

Celt of Canaan Esurix P Celtic likely developed between Cornwall and Gaul while Q Celtic is Irish. The Central European DNA is likely from Scythic and Baltic intermarriage.

@Catubrannos

4 жыл бұрын

It's sounds plausible but there is also Q-Italic and P-Italic. Latin is a Q-Italic language, part of the Latino-Faliscan group, a small area of Italy next to Etruria, most Italic people originally spoke P-Italic until conquered by Rome. I don't understand the difference between P and Q, one may be Indo-European and one proto Indo-European so not sure which is actually older.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@@Catubrannos agreed. Most likely, Q- is closer to P.I.E., and P is an innovation. As an example, Makkos was Q-Celtic, and gave Goidelic Mac. Mappos was P-Celtic and became Gallo-Brythonic Mab, a son. In Old ltalic languages it occured the same mutation: to the Q-ltalic/ Latin Eqqus coresponds the P-Celtic Eppos, a horse. In the Alpine region, Old Celts and Old ltalics lived close together.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@J. Smith there is no hierarchical division. Linguists have already used Q- and P- to define two main dialects of the same language: Celtic. The phonetic divergence probably took place during the bronze age, or even before. These were prehistoric times, so impossible to know. I'd bet you're Spanish, since you quote spanish researchers, and advice to read them. I frequently read their papers, since there were many Celts in the Peninsula. As an Aquitanian from the Atlantic Arc, l have no problem with «Celtic from the West» theory, since l am in. It's just that in my view, in the present state of the art, it's impossible to ascertain the time and space of the Celtic Genesis. Every stance leaves many things out. And when people try to force facts, it just doesn't work. For instance, Tartessos was not Celtic, and even if the Greeks quote one of their kings who had a Celtic name, there were many oriental elements in their culture to be Celtic. And it hasn't been conclusively proven that the Tartessian language was Celtic.

Has there been any DNA studies on the French? Are they mostly descended from the Gauls? Or did they receive a lot of Mediterranean and Germanic-like ancestry?

@skeleton2082

4 жыл бұрын

MDE1992 I doubt that. I don’t think a few Frankish elite would have much impact.

@thegreenmage6956

4 жыл бұрын

Most of the Gauls were either enslaved and shipped off or made victims of Caesar's genocide. It is unlikely there is much remaining Celtic genome, but possible.

@skeleton2082

4 жыл бұрын

The Green Mage Still, I disagree. Most historians put the Gaulish population at 5-10 million at the time of Caesars conquest. Caesar said he killed one million, but that’s likely a large exaggeration. Plus, northern French cluster closely with the British and Irish.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@@MDE1992 l am French. There is not at all such division. Franks are very little in France. Most French are Celts. There are 3 subclades of Celtic R1b which account for 60% of the French people. To the South West they are similar to northern Spanish. And to the south East they ressemble northern ltalians. But the bulk of the French are Celtic.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@@skeleton2082 l agree with you. But not only northern French cluster with lrish, Scots and Welsh. Roughly, all of France does. We don't cluster with the English, that's for sure, since they're Germanics.

I forget the names, but there was an Aìs Shide King who had to take tunnels to his palace in Armenia so this makes sense

I think Eastern Bell Beakers is the end point of Bell Beaker Expansion from the West. The Single Grave Culture most likely partly formed the Bell Beaker and spread from the Netherlands up the Rhine and then Eastwards along the Alps etc...The migration Route of Single Grave Ancestors is a mystery. However there were some Graves found near Moscow which looks strikingly similar to Graves at Veluwe in the Netherlands.. So I think the migration went something like this: +-Moscow > Belarus/Northern Ukraine > Polish Lowlands > West along the Notec River to the Elbe > down the Elbe to Denmark > Netherlands > Britain > Ireland.

You need to write a book with these kind of scientific, evidence-based arguments for the Celtic from the West theory, which seems to be so scary to anti-Celtic Academics like Simon James (sounds like a Welsh name actually). A few years ago I noticed the words "Celtic Nationalism" and "IRA" or "Terrorists" in some of the supposed Academic articles.

@siarlb8115

3 жыл бұрын

Isn’t the book by Barry Cunliffe featured in the title, the very book that you are asking for? “Celtic from the west 3”

@Jamestele1

2 жыл бұрын

@@siarlb8115 Pretty much, but not exactly, but I admire your sarcastic response! Reminds me of Friends' Chandler Bing: "Isn't that the VERY BOOK yada yada?" Then the laugh track, and the camera moves to the humiliated guy feeling stupid.= -- Good stuff. My point is that there are so many PC. anti-Celtic/ World Economic Forum-inspired perspectives, that it would be healthy to have a more balanced set of opinions out there.

@bluebird3281

2 ай бұрын

@@Jamestele1Academia as a whole suffers from a "politics" problem. It is getting as bad as the medieval church.

@Jamestele1

2 ай бұрын

@@bluebird3281 Sad but true. Probably the most accurate thing anyone has said (or written) to me in a while. I wish you luck in whichever direction you move. Heddwch fyddo gyda chwi

Hi :-) If people from the British Isles received 10% genetic admixture from the continent sometime around the late Bronze to early Iron Age without a noticeable shift in culture or language, it's conceivable to me that some of these migrants were accepted as constructive work forces for a growing economy and peacefully assimilated. It sounds to good to be true but it could explain why Hallstatt DNA spreads to Britain and Ireland without a traceable change in culture, language, or the elite. Even if these genes were carried in as part of an invasion, consider that invaders sometimes actually do adopt the culture of the defeated; e.g. the Martu adopted the Accadian language and Sumerian customs in their ruling, the Romans appropriated Etruscan and Greek styles from clothing styles to thought traditions, U.S. Americans named newly conquered lands after Amerindian tribes. Perhaps the British-Irish cultural achievements were irresistible to the incoming people. They may have crossed the channel because they assumed that their neighbours had done a more impressive job in advancing the quality of life than what they knew from their homelands.

People interested in this subject should really investigate the oera Linda book and the many related treasures found in this area.

This is sort of tangent but from what I understand certain Scottish clans, such as the MacBeans, were Pictish that adopted the Irish/Scot culture and didn't just disappear from history.. Don't know if this is true but it sounds plausable

@nutyyyy

3 жыл бұрын

There is no way the Picts just disappeared completely, they just became integrated into a new culture that was predoninatly Gaelic but still even today most Scots north of the forth are descended from Picts. Culture usually changes far more than genetics, even England has a sizeable chunk of ancestry from before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons. In fact the Picts actually became overlords of the Gaelic Kingdom of Dal Riata in Western Scotland, though through marriage and succession a Gaelic King became King of the Picts. Then there is a huge gap of several centurieswith almost no good written records after which the picts are no longer identified as a distinct group, with the kingdom being named Alba or Scotland. Its worth nothing that Alba may actually have been a more accurate name for the kingdom of the picts to begin with since the word pict is Latin in origin, not a name the picts used for themselves. Imo the Picts simply adapted and fused with the Gaels over time rather than being replaced. Much as the original Celtic culture had spread through Europe and Britain and Ireland to begin with. Seems unlikely an entire population of Celts spread and exterminated the population of most of mainland Europe. Rather they intermixed and culturally influenced the existing population until they were for all intents and purposes Celts.

@Mia-dh4ev

3 жыл бұрын

Tidlet King of Powys Picts I have seen the name on our local trees.

@kevingriffin1376

2 жыл бұрын

@@nutyyyy, There is the possibility that the Picts were a Brythonic speaking elite ruling over a Goidelic speaking people. That would explain the quick switch to Gaelic in Scotland. It is very likely that Goidelic came to Britain from the continent first and was later replaced in (most of?) Britain later by Brythonic.

Dispite being a committed "Ortho Trot" I appreciate the work and scholarship put into these vids. Im interested in PIE religious systems. I hope you succeed in building your Ethnos or community or whatever. Sounds like Victorian experiments in socialist organization to me. Primitive communism sounds good. Problem is we can not go back to premodernity. At least I don't think so.

@lucipheriousdeilluminati3784

3 жыл бұрын

Ummm...off grid living. Lots of off grid communities

I really enjoy your videos, one thing though; Lugh is pronounced 'Lu,' you don't pronounce the g.

@thegreenmage6956

2 жыл бұрын

Only. In. Some. Irish. Dialects. He is not wrong to pronounce the G. It’s the older form of the name, and it sounds better too. Really tired of Irish speakers trying to tell everyone there’s only one correct way to pronounce stuff.

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

@@thegreenmage6956 THE IRISH NEVER BELONGED TO CELTIC FAMILY only a small percentage of then and they must share iberian dna

I think that Gaulish and Pictish were likely both Brythonic languages much like Cornish and Welsh.

@elgranlugus7267

4 жыл бұрын

And here I believe that the Goidelic and Celtiberian languages are older than P-Celtic languages.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@@elgranlugus7267 you're right ! It is a fact since the Goidelic forms are closer to P.I.E., and linguists have determined that Gallo-Brythonic experienced mutations that appeared during a late period.

@elgranlugus7267

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardlongues4695 Ah i see, thanks for that information.

@lowlandnobleman6746

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t know which one came first, only that certain groups fell in line more with Brythonic than Gaelic. The Cumbric Celts in what’s now modern day southeast Scotland seem very much like the Welsh or Bretons. That’s also why I’d assume Picts were Brythonic speaking Celts who lived in the north before the Gaels took that land. I imagine Gaelic would probably come from Erin and spread in the Highlands and the Isle of Man, but I’m not entirely certain of that. Could’ve been different. I ain’t got many written historical sources for all that stuff which wasn’t ever written down.

@jameshazelwood9433

4 жыл бұрын

@@lowlandnobleman6746 you can tell by the place names in north East Scotland that the language of the picts was Brythonic Aberdeen Brythonic all the way and the oldest name in that part of Scotland

I have a very simple question. Since everyone agrees that Indo European language started to emerge earliest 8000 years before present. What language did the ancestors of Celts speak before that.

@johnd7108

2 жыл бұрын

Probably Proto Indo European

@cenkefeler2908

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnd7108 :)

Solo vayan a España y averiguen todos los vestigios mas antiguos de los celtas de toda Europa. ESPAÑA tiene mas patrimonio de la humanidad en el mundo, sin mentirles investiguen, es el 50% y no solo era la tierra de los Celtas, sino mas bien los padres de todas las civilizaciones del mediterráneo y Egipto e inclusive los Fenicios. Es tan antigua que todavia no termiman de excavar tantas capas de historias tan antiguas desde la prehistoria.

Something to consider in say, the Bronze Age, is how much source material for all of these artifacts associated with say Unetice, was mined in British Isles. So the fact the that Urnfield or Halstatt material and swords are now being said to be stylized after the British Isles , I don’t think it’s a stretch to speculate if some of these materials were smithed where they were mined. I was under the impersonation that it was the Britons who introduced druidry to the Gauls and not visa versa. The fallacy that is often applied to the druids is that they had anything to do with with the erection of megaliths. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to speculate that druids inherited or took over places like Stonehenge for their spiritual practices, though it’s goofy to say that megaliths are original or unique to the Druids. The genetic studies are a constantly evolving process and the Celts were never a homogeneous group. Certainly not to the extent that Germanic tribes were. In fact, a said Celtic group could have a closer relation genetically to a Teutonic group to their east, more than they do this other neighboring Celtic tribe to their west. At any rate though haplogroups help us understand population migrations, haplogroups are completely useless in evaluating population shifts. Going back this far in time, is one is still trying to keep cultures exclusive to genetics, you are committing an error

The Celts come from Western Iberia. The Megalithic Atlantic Culture starts in Portugal, the celts are the descendants of these people. They went to Britain some 7000 years ago from western Iberia. In Portugal and Galicia there more than 5000 celtic setllements. The double of the number of the total setllements of Ireland, Wales, Brittany, Scotland and Cornwall put together. Check "Citania de briteiros" or "citania de sanfins" two of the largest celtic cities of round stone houses in Europe.

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

i'm alive man i don't share any DNA with the samples from 8000 years ago in iberia meaning that my ancestors arrived there in late bronze age , my last haplo clad mutation that a share with so many Lusitania from 13 century most of people from 7000 5000 years ago did not left descendants they line died like that samples of bronze age f999815 in gedmatch , probably were hunther gathers line people replaced by neolitic farmers

@redl1ner170

Жыл бұрын

EUSKERA..........ENGLISH tarte...................interval tartean...............in between tartesian............breach Euskera is not a celtic language.

Excellent video. How has this theory changed with the new DNA dating for Indo-European entry into Britain with the Beaker People?

@thegreenmage6956

4 жыл бұрын

Well that would support this theory, but it doesn't disprove the original one either.

@sarad6627

4 жыл бұрын

@@thegreenmage6956 Agreed, but it largely disproves the original theory. Originally the Celts, thus the IE, arrive in Britain with the Iron Age. So, it is now clear that the IE arrival was much earlier and Bronze Age.

@Catubrannos

4 жыл бұрын

@@sarad6627 I would have thought the presence of torcs in Bronze Age Britain would have knocked the idea of an Iron Age expansion on its backside. There's no reason to assume that torcs belonged to any pre-Celtic culture, at least in Europe. The non-Celts who had them were Etruscans, where they are only worn by women and from the later Iron Age suggesting influence from Celtic tribes to the north; the Illyrians where they were worn by chiefs but not from the little I've read by the bulk of the free population like in Celtic regions and the Illyrians were certainly influenced by Hallstatt culture and the Norse in small number, who likely preserved an old custom derived from the Celts. What the deal with torcs amongst the Persians is I don't know but they weren't widely worn.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@@Catubrannos Thank you, that's really interesting !

@sarad6627

4 жыл бұрын

@@Catubrannos Yes, the original theory was hinged around linguistics and the archaeological evidence in the West was a mismatch. It was one of the original motivation for the authors to publish their findings. What areas do Torc appear amongst the Persians. Is it near Anatolia?

Gradually away from Jerusalem, language becomes gibberish unti you come into Friez, Wales, Scoland (my respect to The House of Stuart) and Iriland

There was a diffusion of celtic culture, language and materials from East to West from the scythian, lusatian and prezworsk cultures.

I think the Eastern Bell Beaker theory does not work. I think you should look at the Single Grave Culture instead and Bell Beakers from the Lowlands....

Two criticisms: 1. Greek sources generally speaking of the celts as coming „from the west“ doesn‘t give any credibility to this thesis as hallstatt and la tène are also west of the balkan peninsula and pannonia about which the greeks mostly meant when talking about the celts migrating from the west. 2. Your argument about celtic not having a lot of non-indo-european loanwords isn‘t really relevant to the discussion. This is because the mainstream hallstatt theory doesn‘t claim that the celts directly displaced/intermingled with non-ie populations when they moved west and into britain. The populations they absorbed there where already mostly indo-european and came from earlier bronze age migrations. It would be interesting to get a response to these points!

Druids may not have been a celtic phenomenon but one dating back to earlier (non-celtic) beaker people or even the neolithic populations. So Britain being (apparently by the 1st century BC) the spiritual home of the druids has nothing to do with whether they had a celtic language for many centuries or not.

@Quacklebush

7 ай бұрын

The Greek writer Dio Chrysostom, who lived in the first century A.D., compared druids to the magi and the Brahmans of India. Seems to be that druids were defiantly pre-celtic.

Christianity has it's spiritual centre in Jerusalem but most Christians lived in Europe. Ditto the Celts may have had a religious centre in Britain but most Celts lived in continental Europe. Ireland was until very recently almost 100% Gaelic speaking but today it is almost 100% English speaking - and all done because the new language gave better economic and social advantages, and done with minimal genetic change. The same argument could be made for the adoption of Celtic languages in Britain/Ireland.

@siarlb8115

3 жыл бұрын

I think they may have been some coercion involved.

@dublingraphicdesignmeetup2936

2 жыл бұрын

We speak English now because we had 800 years of English rule. As recently as 1922 the English tortured and executed us for even having Irish names. So your theory like most theories about the few groups of real celtic people and their actual descendants is wrong. Funny so many have theories but haven't even looked at the culture and historical evidence in Ireland or the acknowledged celtic nations.

Portugal means Port of Port. Port in Celtic is Cale (the same in Scottish Gaelic - coincidence?). The main port for the Celts of Northwest Iberia was Cale (today's city of Porto in Portugal). The Romans named the city Portus Cale which later gave the name to the region and then the country. The main river of that area is the river Douro which derives from the word for water Celtic (compare with Welsh Dwur). Western Iberia was mostly Celtic by the time when the Romans arrived.

Interesting video. Here is a counterpoint. As far as I understood a lot of the placenames in Denmark were replaced when the tribe named the "Danes" invaded the lands of the "Heruli" in the sixth century. So placenames are not neccesaily constant.

Should mention that the gold lunula which are mostly found in Ireland appear in parts of Europe suggesting they were spread there from Ireland or at least the British Isles. Given they were likely a symbol of religious and/or temporal authority their presence in Europe could be the result of Druids spreading the faith. Flimsy evidence for sure but it's possible. Personally I don't believe the Atlantic Bronze Age is the craddle of Celtic civilisation, I think a couple of related cultures merged together in France such as the Champagne region and formed the classic Celtic culture we think of today. The druids would come from Britain, chariots came from the east, central Europe saw the rise of certain art forms. Regarding the foreign priests becoming the top of society, look no further than Christianity as an example of this. I don't believe megalithic priests were adopted, but it's possible that the Druidic religion was influenced by the teachings of an early group like this who had enough astrology to construct the various circles and other alignments.

Recently a paper has been published and this is what it says "So, Celts were essentially a Southern or South-Central European people, from the perspective of autosomal genetics at least. The insular Celtic groups like the Scotts and Irish are actually almost entirely descended from the Bronze Age 'Bell Beakers' who likely spoke some other, unkown Indo-European language and were subsequently celtized during the Iron Age. Actual Celtic ancestry is only notably present in the southern part of England and Wales." Is that true and does it contradict the theory from this video?

@dublingraphicdesignmeetup2936

2 жыл бұрын

This is anti celtic propaganda. There is a lot of physical bronze age celtic artifacts in Ireland......maybe someone should tell them the bronze age came before the iron age.

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

Kent was only part of England Celts settled in bronze age , by DNA records

Descendants of Cro-Magnons...the survivors of the Atlantean cataclysms.

@MrJotit

2 жыл бұрын

Atlántida Gibraltar 💪

@fredriks5090

2 жыл бұрын

The Aesir and Vanir are two different, equal and almost twin like branches of "gods" and most certainly has a connection to the Tuatha de Danann, Hybrasil and Aztlan. I think the Vanir were native North-sea descendants of the time of Atlantis, while the Aesir were a branch that instead sailed the world oceans, - visiting or settling everything from new zealand, easter island, egypt, mesopotamia and Aztec lands.

@nunyabiz6925

2 жыл бұрын

Nice usernane wtf and avatar

I am looking for the equivalent of let's say the poetic edda or the saga of the volsungs but of celtic, Irish if possible anything old, explaining or even if I have to research myself but I don't want nothing of neo paganism, druids of today, non of that, please give me a title a good author

@FortressofLugh

2 жыл бұрын

There isn't anything equivalent to the Poetic Edda. "The Second Battle of Maige Tuired" and "The Táin Bó Cúailnge are some sources, but most Celtic stuff has already been retold under a Christian guise for the most part, with some exceptions.

@cidv4075

2 жыл бұрын

@@FortressofLugh that's what I meant, I know there's not an equal mythos but I needed exactly that a source, English is not my first language so, excuse me for that, but thanks for the names, is there anything on book, like is that story of the second battle in a respectable book?I was really wondering were do you get all the knowledge you plant in your videos, I'm guessing this is your life's work..thanks for answering and sharing

The design on the handle end of the swords is clearly depicted at Padmanabhaswamy Temple in India. The door to Vault b;) 🍀

@Catubrannos

4 жыл бұрын

Got a picture?

@luketracey3269

4 жыл бұрын

Catubrannos jus google " padmanabhaswamy temple vault b" it also has a fleur de lis ....and another flower? Let me know what flower you think is depicted please? 🍀 I have a hunch but???

@Catubrannos

4 жыл бұрын

@@luketracey3269 I did which is why I asked. It was mostly the same image and I couldn't find a modern image, just the black and white one which causes problems in determining if the image is even real or where it's from. It's definitely a fleur-de-lis but it's identical to a modern one. If you look at fleur-de-lis in medieval art they are often more angular, the current version used by Scouts etc is the result of centuries of development, it's highly unlikely that the exact same development would occur on the other side of Asia making me think the image is not what it says it is or the decoration was the result of European influence and added later. The design is a flower I guess though I've always thought it related to the old Celtic art where similar shapes appear on shields, the Glauberg warrior headdress, they also seem to blend in with anthropomorphic sword hilts with the central petal being the head, then two arms, the bar is a belt then two legs below but I might be reading too much into that, it could just be coincidence.

Breton, with a little study, can be understood as a closer relative of Irish than would have been thought previously. The Phoenicians is where the Afro-asiatic features of the Irish language could have come from. Great summary!

@thegreenmage6956

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds ridiculous. But you’re welcome to back it up.

@beakfordclakington1337

2 жыл бұрын

THE DRUIDS AND THE ALLEGEDLY PEOPLE SACRIFICERS ARE MAYBE SEMITIC MAYBE PHONICIANS GS ANYWAY

So would it be fair to say or at least possible that "Celtic" culture being developed in the West was mostly birthed by Yamnaya Warrior men with a small minority of thier own women and a far larger mingling with the descendants of the mound builder culture by taking thier women? They would have remained for more isolated in the West of Europe from other influence and trade for a time until trade became more dominant in the area as well as the movement of peoples and cultures. The Celts maybe searching out to connect in trade by the rivers further into Gaul and eventually Central Europe . The Atlantic trade connecting the European Atlantic peoples from Iberia to Scotland. Seems there may have been a time were they developed almost untouched before they began to spread out and seek out connections with the rest of Europe allowing them to develop this unique culture. I understand Yamnaya culture was very male dominant but this Western Warriors would have reared thier sons and daughters with the indigenous women. To thing these women who would have the first major influence on the children would not have kept and shared some of thier own culture while raising them would seem very unlikely. They may have grew up infatuated by standing stones as well as Yamnaya culture and knew something of both do to thier upbringing. Even if just 5% and I suspect it's more of the indigenous farmer culture survived in the early development of Celtic culture over time that small percentage could have a huge change in culture though it be mostly derived from Step culture. This may have help developed Western Atlantic Celtic Culture as well as a long period of little contact before they began to spread out. Thier kinsmen and other Indo Europeans in Europe by the time they came back in contact would have involved differently to some extent genetically do to central , Southern , eastern have longer contact with other migrating peoples. The Celts would begin to spread thier culture and Influence into central Europe and other parts organizing and developing trade as they went . Thier make lineage being heavily R1B showing that they had little contact with other tribes when they went west and other areas of Europe being less R1B seems to suggest Western Celtic groups had little out side contact from other non Yamnaya groups for a very long time. R1A I believe came much later an indo European halogrop that developed from R1b on the steps before reaching Europe and India. I may be looking at this totally wrong. It's just my brain trying to make since of everything I have read and seen.

I'm Galician, I believe that the Atlantic Celts migrated eastwards. Our Gallaecian hillforts are even older than the Hallstatt hillforts. I also believe the we Gallaecians migrated to Ireland circa 500 b.C. and our Gallaecian Q-Celtic language evolved into primitive Goidelic.

@nunyabiz6925

2 жыл бұрын

Wow u look like a lot of galicians that i have met. I have andulasian origins , don’t hold it against me !😂

@GalaicoWarrior

2 жыл бұрын

@@nunyabiz6925 my mother is andalusian, haha

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

think again test your DNA , and match it with the ancient samples do you think that iberians gave the DNA to bichon in Switzerland Stuttgart Germany ? you need to change the time then maybe you got a special machine that can do that hey ?

Irish Gaelic words have been found in Native American language...or so I've heard? 🍀

@DavidValdezBigWaveDave

4 жыл бұрын

Algonquin?

@skeleton2082

4 жыл бұрын

Impossible. Irish Gaelic is an Indo-European language that never existed in the New World until the colonization by Europeans.

@thomasmccauley414

4 жыл бұрын

There needs to be more research done genetically and linguistically. I live in New-England and lived in the west of Ireland. Here in New-England there are numerous place names that have meaning in both Irish and Algonquin. I don't believe this is do to mere coincidence, but suggests cultural diffusion. A few examples are: Merrimack, Monadnock, Tiogue, Usquepaugh. There are numerous examples that pre-dated 17th century colonization.

@celtofcanaanesurix2245

4 жыл бұрын

luke tracey there is an account that says the Irish made it to Iceland and the Faroe Islands before the Norse did, so it may be possible, though highly unlikely

@Catubrannos

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasmccauley414 Does it? Usquepaug(h) means "At the end of the pond" with the paug element meaning pond. The word can also mean cove: Mashpaug, CT (large pond); Massapeag, CT (large cove); Kennebago Lake, ME (long pond/lake); Quinebaug River, MA (long pond - very similar to Kennebago). In the Gaelic, the water element is the first part - uisge meaning water. The second part beatha (anglicised spelling baugh) means life and sounds something like bay-her. Those Indian placenames all appear to end in a hard G sound. Monadnock would be an odd name in Gaelic, the Mountain Hill? It's one of the other and there is also the issue that if a large enough group of Gaelic speaking people migrated to the Americas and were speaking a modern Gaelic language or even Middle Irish then why, if they had such influence to change important words in several related languages, did they not introduce Christianity to the Indians? Also if they became established enough to form communities that would adopt so many Gaelic words, then why didn't they build any boats to sail back to Ireland or Scotland?

The problem with this theory, as with all archeological theories, is that the actual linguistic evidence is heavily cherry-picked. There's just not that much linguistic evidence for Celtic having developed on the Atlantic coast; Tartessian is almost certainly not Celtic, and linguistic reconstructions nowadays rather point to a close connection between Italic and Celtic. It's completely preposterous to have a theory about the development of a language family be based on so little actual linguistic evidence.

i thought they where all genetically similar as the basques then the Celts invaded and intermixed

@nutyyyy

3 жыл бұрын

Basques are descended from pre-indo-european. Other Iberians were related to but somewhat distinct from Celt-Iberians.

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Let's say Celtic influence did move from West to East and at one time Bristish Isles (particularly England area) was the spiritual center of the Celts/ druids. Then perhaps you could extrapolate that if there were Celt progenitors they could have come from the Atlantic region( possibly Atlantis) also known later as the Red Dragons. Later England suffered constant attacks by Danes & Norwegians (known as White Dragons) that decimated their native populations and wiped out their spiritual centers leaving suvivors of mixed descent ( high percent of saxon bloodline aka white dragon). However the Celtic outlying areas away from the wiped out spiritual center, who were later subjugated by English Saxons, some sold into slavery ( Irish) or put in bondage arrangements ( Scotts), managed to maintain more of their Celtic heratige. Also King Alfred, a Saxon, wiped out remaining celtic spiritual influence with his adoption of Chrisrianity as other Saxon rulers did in Europe to rid of pagan beliefs.

@fredriks5090

2 жыл бұрын

- I think the Red Dragons have a connection with the Aztecs/Aesir through Kukulkan/CuChulainn, Aztlan/Asgard located at the rockall bank, and Bifrost (going back to when the area still had packice connecting the isles.) - while the white dragons have a connection with the Tuatha de Danann and the Doggerbank and into DANmark, being more culturally connected to the scots, scythians and the Vanir branch of norse myth. - The Aesir would be a more global power possibly sharing astronomical knowledge and farming, while the Vanir would be a more local North-sea peoplegroup and culture.

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

@@fredriks5090 the only country in europe that used the symbol of the dragani were the kallaykoy from durios portodugaul, the dragani people today is the oldest european city that is the house of the green dragon

I must say that your argument regarding the Druids was not especially persuasive. This tradition - of assimilating foreign religious doctrines and their missionaries/martyrs/holy men and elevating them to the apex of a nation’s institutions - is one of the more remarkably common phenomena in human history. This holds for the Germanic Barbarian (Frankish and Visigothic) embrace of various forms of Christianity - e.g. Arianism and Catholicism - and likely holds true for the spread of Celtic paganism (irrespective of the direction it was spread). Christianity itself would never have penetrated the population of the Isles were this not the case. Such phenomena is often ascribed to the political machinations of some cynical elite attempting to consolidate its dominance in a given class hierarchy. While I agree that such agency certainly factors heavily in to a great deal of this history, I nevertheless contend that there is a deeper, psychological dimension to all this that has always served to advantage foreign religions over the various religious beliefs/customs that arose domestically out of a given population. (The degree to which a given population is culturally alienated from the peoples/histories associated with a given religion adds a degree of mystification to its fantastical claims that clearly makes it easier for an otherwise incredulous individual to accept the validity of said claims.) In fact, I always regarded the Druidic factor in this as constituting some of the better evidence favoring the traditional East-to-West migratory models of Celtic diffusion.

You got to admit the celts in the west took over the best parts of Europe

OUr legend says that our ancestral homeland was a place that no longer exists. Hyperborea. Supposed to be north of the Iberian peninsula, north of the land of the northman (Norse Men). I have often looked at the mid-atlantic ridge and wonder if maybe lands have sunk beneath the sea. The basque also come from a land that no longer exists. Their elders say they are from Atlantica.

@mikeking2073

Жыл бұрын

They all have doggerland origins.

This seems very unscientific. Maybe it is but the evidence isn't being communicated. I just see a load of maps without dates.

@Quacklebush

7 ай бұрын

I agree with you totally. So many holes in this

It makes more sense to think that there was already a group of people living in Western Europe and they simply merged with the invading Indo-Europeans.

@nutyyyy

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely this would have been the case with all of Europe. You see this with the surviving Basque language.

It started in Central Europe Celts Hallasat is 1200bc

@alvaromaqueda1189

8 ай бұрын

Caldas de Reis, Coxwold, Rillaton, Ploumillau, Eschenz y Frizdorf, places where they found celts ceramics that are older than Hallstat. Try again.

@NiteDriv3r

8 ай бұрын

@@alvaromaqueda1189 Wɘ ʜɒvɘ ɒlnoƨɈ ᑎoɈʜiᑎϱ iᑎ ɔonnoᑎ wiɈʜ nooɿƨ ᑎ bɒϱoɒ it's inaccurate wɘ don't like bɘiᑎϱ compared u want to be more like us we want to be less like u

@Quacklebush

7 ай бұрын

@@alvaromaqueda1189 whats the old archeology saying? pots are pots, not people. Not that you left a source for anyone to look up so who knows what culture or pots you are talking about.

@STICKlaPISSSE

Ай бұрын

@@Quacklebush lol so when it cames to archeological evidences, if you dont like them... be gone evidence 🤣

@Quacklebush

Ай бұрын

@@STICKlaPISSSE excuse me? What evidence where?

IMHO, there is no «winning» argument. Not even for the Druids, who l think Diodoros from Sicily, or Caesar, wrote they originated in Gaul. They didn't really know. Their annual meeting used to take place in the Carnutes forest (nowadays Chartres in France) with Druids from Britain coming to Gaul. Even some Scottish have recently argued that the Scots invaded lreland from Scotland, which is not impossible, but very unlikely to me. So people may want to put the original genesis with arrows going upside-down, Northwards-Southwards, Eastwards-Westwards, there is still no winning argument. If you are from the lsles, you've always heard/read theories saying that you're something apart, that you are the originals. And there will be lots of your scholars trying to prove this. If you're from the Continent, it works just the opposite way. In my opinion the lndoeuropean languages came from the East, Pontic Steppes Yamnaya peoples (supported by previous theories and by David Reich's DNA research 2018's article in Nature). And they migrated back from West to East, not only at historic times, and not only with the Celts. Any way, it was very interestingly presented, as always. Cead Mile Failte !

@jameshazelwood9433

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Richard again!I mainly agree with you as far as Celtic influence on the continent goes but Its the ancient Trade routes from Northern Spain to Western France to Cornwall for goods from the continent for Cornish Tin and the fact that that trade Route remained so strong after the Romans gives me a suspicion that the first connection the Uk had with the Celtic World came from the West

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@@jameshazelwood9433 Hi James ! I hope you're doing well. It's very possible, the Celts dominated the trade of Tin, Silver and Gold for a couple of millenia at least. That's why they were visited by the Phoenicians, the Carthaginians and the Greeks in Tartessos (southern Spain) where they traded with a Celtic king called «Argantonios» (from Argantos = Silver in Celtic). Many mediterranean peoples voyaged to the Atlantic Arc looking for these metals since ancient times. They could have brought technology used by the megalithic builders all across the Atlantic Arc. Some sites like Scarabrae in Orkney, Newgrange in lreland, some megaliths in lnish Mun in Wales, also in Carnac, Brittany, are built with advanced astronomic knowledge. When the Phoenicians closed the Strait of Gibraltar, the Phocean Greeks founded Massalia (Marseilles) in 600 B.C. They agreed with another local Celtic King to settle there. They brought Vineyards and started to make trade through the Rhone Valley, with barges, then inland trade upnorth to exchange Tin from Britain, may be Cupper from lreland, and Baltic Amber, for Greek wine and fine crafts. They traded with the Celts in the Vl and Vth centuries B.C. until Gibraltar was opened again. Before and after this, the Celts in the far West of Europe traded along the Atlantic Arc. It's a privileged position, as you rightly mentioned. Celtic was the Lingua Franca of this immense trade route.

@wyverntheterrible

4 жыл бұрын

Scots did absolutely invade from Ireland, around the 8th century AD. Prior to that Caledonia was overwhelmingly Pictish.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@@wyverntheterrible Wrong. Dál Riata was founded in the 5th Century A.D. by the Scots, who settled in Co. Antrim and Argyll, both sides of the north channel. And this is what I've already said: they came from lreland.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@J. Smith l've read all the Classic authors, the recent studies, and l've told above why l won’t enter this discussion. You should also compare latest DNA findings. I remain open minded, l hope you too. Cheers !

We should drop the term "Celtic" to view all this from a wider perspective. There is no single record of Britons or Irish calling themselves "Celts". Greeks never called them Celts and neither did Romans. The only reason we are calling them Celts is that an eighteen-century scholar studied the similarities of their languages and decided to lump them all together into the Celtic family. That's not to say that they were not somehow related to proper Celts, but this would be like calling English people "Germans" because they speak a Germanic language. The interesting thing about the "Celts from the West" theory is that it points out the particular traits of the peoples of the Atlantic fringe.

@kevingriffin1376

Жыл бұрын

Celtic is fine as a word. We just need to give it a more inclusive definition.

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

the only reference to Celtic is in a tablet found in a grave in portodugaul celtici , and stravo called the south people of lusitania cinetes cunettes keltoy, so lets fugure it out the oldest written lauguage so far was found in portodugaul the alvao writting , ERITH HARTER can explain it better search his blogs in youtube he is a VERY RENAMED SHAMAN

idk i mo thuairim i believe that P.I.E originated in anatolia spreading out from the west across the mediterranean stopping along the coasts to find arable land, eventually making their way up the atlantic spreading farming wherever they went and mixing with the local WHG. who again in my opinion were related to a sort of proto berber culture that spread across the atlantic. the mingling of these two cultures would have brought about the building of the megalithic sites and the foundation of the celtic religion. back to anatolia, as it spread it found its way up on north pretty quickly there coming into contact with the steppe cultures. after a couple millennia learning from each other they learned to ride horses from there they were able to spread across europe, kinda. because there really isn’t much evidence for some type of bloodshed massacre, at least not in the isles, most of their relations would have been through trading horses across the continent, bc by that point most of europe would have been speaking and practicing a somewhat indo european culture. but remember we’re white we love a good ol plague every now and then, so the neolithic decline happened. which i’m personally believe was caused by a disease from horses, of which the steppe people would have been more immune to. we do see evidence of early steppe cultures burning whole villages with mass graves indicating that they were already accustomed to it. with much of western europe weakened by the plague, the herders came across to pick up the remains. however due to ireland’s and britain’s isolation they weren’t as effected by it, allowing more of the original culture prior to the bell beakers to be retained

@O3177O

3 жыл бұрын

Eh no

There were always traid roots and connections all over Europe going all the way back to the stone Age and neolithic . cultures and technical advances were always a part of the Celtic and Proto Celts culture .it was always for lack of a better word Celtic culture ,with obviously tribal variation .

Read "The Oera Linda". Wikipedia claims it's a hoax. But if you let Wikipedia decide truth for you, you are already hopelessly lost. Read it and decide for yourself.

A bit off the beaten track, but the ancient root words of the language of the Cymru or ancient British / Welsh can be use to read hieroglyphs. See Cymroglyphics on Britains hidden history on u tube. University academics are just waking up to this and have started ordering the book on Cymroglyphics by Ross Broadstock.

@seantolson6223

3 жыл бұрын

I legitimately have no idea why people are trying to make Cymraeg into some kind of Egyptian language. It doesn’t have to be. A culture doesn’t need to be related to some ancient civilization everybody respects in order to be worthy of recognition. This is just as ridiculous as Afro Americans insisting they are Egyptians in order to gain more recognition for their ancestry than what they’d get by “merely” being related to the Empires of West Africa.

The Celtics are the original hunt gatherers of Western Europe since the Neolithic. Bell bakers are the the spreaders of Indo European. Read Mario Alinei

@Quacklebush

7 ай бұрын

Hunter gatherers... lol now that is funny

Recent genetic evidence is that a mass migration during Urnfield times and possiblbly toward the end, from northern France into south eastern England, replaced 50% of the people there. Celtic migration into Spain is shifting into Urnfield times as well. All you need to have Celtic inscriptions in Tartassos in 700 BC is traders who speak Celtic. Tartassos was one of a number of major trading ports where the Celts, or Urnfielders, or whatever you were calling them at any point in time, traded with the Mediterranean, the main difference being that European economic development suddenly skyrocketed when Mediterranean trade returned to existence. The Urnfielders and the Celts were the same people in different time zones, and from Bell Beaker times, when they were also the same people, they were about trade. Trade was the substance of their very existence. The Beaker people themselves developed as a trade network, with elements from different parts of Europe but dominated genetically, technologically and linguistically by the steppe people. You never specifically explain what you think eastern Bell Beakers had to do with Atlantic Bell Beakers. In Bell Beaker times, the Beaker people, who were hybridized Indo-Europeans and Old Europeans, replaced 90% of the DNA of England, by 2200 BC, specifically with steppe DNA, from a mixture of Beaker people from the Rhineland and southwestern Europe, mostly from the Rhineland. The Celtic languages developed where there were Beaker people., across central and southwestern Europe. End of story, if the details are probably complex, with ebs and flows and dialects and periods of regionalization and unification and so forth. So Celtic speakers in England descend from a major migration of Celtic speakers into a population who of already Celtic speaking people just before the iron age. However by Urnfield times their core was in central Europe, and, it originated there, in spite of the fact that the swords came from the Thames.. The western Atlantic was PERIPHERAL. Can you spell it? The core was located in central Europe because it controlled all European trade routes during early Urnfield times, and this was the source of their wealth. Once Mediterranean trade revived, Celts traded with the Mediterranean coast in Spain and Marseilles, not Britain. And the central European chiefdoms got incredibly rich and powerful. Their power and wealth spread to France, to which Britain was still peripheral when the Romans invaded Britain for providing the Gaulish tribes which strangely had the same names, if not the same rulers, with grain. Help me Jesus. Some notions jsut refuse to die. And don't you know British academicians have a very long very bad habit of arguing fantastic ideas for the sake of it. Did you come across Transpermia yet? Perhaps you should do a You Tube video and try to convince us in that monotone that it's reality. Life on Earth came from outer space. It landed in Great Britain, and spread to the rest of the planet from there. Cunliffe's entire academic career began to die in 2015 when major ancient genetic studies proved there were actual Indo Europeans and they were actually, gasp, from the steppes, but some monsters just don't die. I do have two of his books, and, when he cares to write about HISTORY, he is actually an excellent historian. It's too bad he doesn't drop it with the endless long speeches at British universities about fantastic Briticisms. If he just wanted to stick to the details of Bronze Age economic development that his books relate, he'd have an excellent reputation right there. He doesn't need to go all senile!

@geneberrocal3220

Жыл бұрын

I think you should be more considerate of the evidence, you seem to dismiss without having a second look. If you don't like to "argue fantastic ideas" then don't. Also it's not a British thing, it's a historian thing. You should know, you sound like someone who's well-read.

Also the human sacrifice slur has been used as effectively against the Phoenicians and the Carthaginians as it has the Irish. Absolutely no concrete evidence for it, the only accounts of these practices were given by historians of their jealous competitors. There is also no reference to it in the Irish literature.

@elgranlugus7267

3 жыл бұрын

Also, human sacrifices were probably not that common. Would happen only in dire situations, like, wars and famine, and those who were sacrificed, most of the time were criminals.

ROUND HOUSES AND BROCHS, IF ANYTHING, MAYBE CAME FROM MIDDLE EAST AND MAYBE SEMITIC CULTURES?

@robertolang9684

Жыл бұрын

yes , everybody knows that the before celts were ittites luvians thracian dorians they are the celticos mixed with central austrian and swiss natives people , my dna shits all of that

DNA-structure had already been established during the bronze age: British people nowadays don't really differ that much from these people. They've only had a bit of continental influence because of the saxons and vikings. I think the theory that the Indo-European dialect and culture that was brought to the British Isles later on developed into Celtic culture, just like the same Indo-European culture/dialect developed into the Continental Celtic cultures. It just already had the same seed in it, that later developed into the Celtic culture/language.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, that could be one hypothesis. Another one is that at the beginning, all the Celts spoke Goidelic = Q-Celtic. And over the time, somewhere in the continent a new dialect started to differenciate: P-Celtic = Gallo-Brythonic. Later on, P-Celtic speakers migrated into Gaul and Britain, including Central Europe. In these areas, the old form Makkos mutated into Mappos, a Son. Also Fir mutated into Gwyr, a Man. And Fid mutated into Gwyd, a Wood (you'll notice that these last Welsh and English words are pronounced just the same). But many observers, including myself, have pointed out big similarities between Old lrish and Old Gaulish. This is the same language, originally.

@richardlongues4695

4 жыл бұрын

@J. Smith again, there is no hierarchical division. Linguists have already used Q- and P- to define two main dialects of the same language: Celtic. The phonetic divergence probably took place during the bronze age, or even before. These were prehistoric times, so impossible to know. And this classification is in no way outdated. I'd bet you're Spanish, since you quote spanish researchers, and advice to read them. I frequently read their papers, since there were many Celts in the Peninsula. As an Aquitanian from the Atlantic Arc, l have no problem with «Celtic from the West» theory, since l am in. It's just that in my view, in the present state of the art, it's impossible to ascertain the time and space of the Celtic Genesis. Every stance leaves many things out. And when people try to force facts, it just doesn't work. For instance, Tartessos was not Celtic, and even if the Greeks quote one of their kings who had a Celtic name, there were too many oriental elements in their culture to be Celtic. And it hasn't been conclusively proven that the Tartessian language was Celtic. We don’t even know where Tartessos was, since the city has never been found.