G12T-75 wins it for me, as I expected. But really, the Seventy80 really took me by surprise, really nice speaker. Maybe that's the real winner, I didn't expect it to sound so good.

@alvarg

2 жыл бұрын

yeah I agree most balanced on all different track types.

@slowpoke7888

Жыл бұрын

@@alvarg and you can buy them used for about $20.

I have no clue why the 70/80 gets such a bad rap. I think theyre great. I really love them over vintage 30.

@jalaskabtu

4 жыл бұрын

i use both together in jcm800

@claytonhiggins9115

4 жыл бұрын

They install them in the cheapest crappiest amps and people blame the speaker. Marshall solid state amps are some of the worst sounding amps ever made.

@lifelover5810

4 жыл бұрын

@@giorgosk2884 well..in my experience, my marshall dsl20hr and 1hr sounded crap through a 70-80 marshall cab, unuseable I could say, but great through a v30 in a h.benton..

@emmanuelmartinez100

4 жыл бұрын

@@claytonhiggins9115 I have a solid state Marshall and it sounds okay to me, I've played Fender, Supro and Vox tube amps.

@dw22509

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say they suck, they're a different flavor... Think of it like some people like ketchup on hotdogs, some like mustard, some like both To my ear, the best out of these is the greenback, but I like the midrange bark than the crispy high end. To each their own my dudes ❤️

What an exceptional demo. Interesting how the Les Paul pickups and circuitry made the Greenback sound much more hi-fi than the Strat did (on the clean tones.) That T-75 is really distinctive, maybe not everyone's cup of tea but it really has personality. Again, such a top-rate demonstration, thank you for putting it together!

@zaloraltest

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! (In terrible late…)

THANK YOU for the time and effort on this project! It means a lot. I'm new to the speaker scene...but don't get the bad rep of the 70/80. It sounded very good.

@BrantleyAllen

Жыл бұрын

I just bought a Seventy 80. Looking forward to using it.

The G12T75 sounds the best to me.

@vespass225

4 жыл бұрын

After this very good and interesting comparison I will definitively try a G12T75 in my DSL40C

Great video. I was only concerned with 2 of the speakers, so having the picture of each made it real easy to to a side by side of what I was comparing. I also really appreciated the broad range of styles.

Thank you ! That was helpful ! Now I'm going to order the G10 Greenback to get rid of the fizz on my DSL5CR

Wow what a freaking amazing video!! Thank you for doing this! Other videos keep saying to swap the stock speaker for a V30 or the Greenback but to me the G12T75 sounds great!

@zaloraltest

4 жыл бұрын

Steve Kaynan thanks for watching!!!!

*Strato clean* Seventy80 0:08 Greenback 0:23 G12T75 0:39 G12B150 0:54 Vintage 30 1:09 *Strato crunch* Seventy80 1:27 Greenback 1:42 G12T75 1:57 G12B150 2:12 Vintage 30 2:28 *Strato Lead* Seventy80 2:45 Greenback 3:00 G12T75 3:15 G12B150 3:30 Vintage 30 3:45 *les paul clean* Seventy80 4:04 Greenback 4:19 G12T75 4:34 G12B150 4:49 Vintage 30 5:04 *les paul crunch* Seventy80 5:21 Greenback 5:37 G12T75 5:52 G12B150 6:07 Vintage 30 6:22 *les paul lead* Seventy80 6:40 Greenback 6:55 G12T75 7:11 G12B150 7:26 Vintage 30 7:41

@professored7169

4 жыл бұрын

Ty for this

@professored7169

4 жыл бұрын

@@sperg0101 thank you

@ikealamp53

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Felipe, I really appriciate this.

The G12T-75 is the best, much better. The second is the 70/80, I can't understand why the bad reputation.

@Kcapgar

4 жыл бұрын

Edvaldo Henrique I dig the 75s also. Its a tie between those and 70/80 i think. The greenbacks and vintage 30 do not sound good to me in this.

@jamesjzelaznyjr910

4 жыл бұрын

Internet is full of Nerds that talk a lot about sound ,amps and guitars but never play anything. Like Star Trek nerds that will never be an astronaut. My GT75`s are fine !!

@carlc2597

4 жыл бұрын

Edvaldo Henrique I agree about the 70/80 - But I like the v30 #1 , the 70/80#2

@boostuse

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kcapgar Are they sounding cheap ? The 30s

@boostuse

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlc2597 I like them too,it's programming, they programmed me. I have a new amp Peavey Invective and I believe those seventy 80s are what it needs.

Good wee comparison. Big thanks. They all sound pretty good. I had a v30 which didn't work for me - too mid heavy. I have a used 7080 in the post just for fun. I hated the speaker in my Blackstar ht5 v2 but playing my bass though it for a while loosened it up!

Keeping my Seventy 80. Thank you for this superb video!

The Seventy80 sounds really good here. This was a very well done video - thanks!

Thanks for this post. I am building a 412 cab. I think the G12T-75 and the 70/80 sound great but for the price I went with 70/80. Greenbacks were mid tier for me at least. The v30 did sound muddy. 70/80 matches well with a JCM 800 clone i built and heavily modded jag.

This is a great video and answers a very difficult question very well. Great playing with the only guitars that matter using riffs that tell and sell the story perfectly well. I have a full stack JCM800 loaded with G12T75s and reckon it's the best rock sound going. I also have a Fender 2x12 cab with vintage 30s and it sounds harsh with any head I use, including my Fender Supersonic 22 (which happens to sound divine through the Marshall Quad). I'm building a 1x12 cab for a Hughes and Kettener Tubemeister 18 using a G12T75 (purchased this afternoon on eBay). Was considering greenbacks and Seventy 80's, but this video proves the G12T75 is not only my personal choice, but the clear winner in the comments. Awesome job settling a subtle question that matters only to those who bother to ask it.

People talk shit on the seventy 80 but I love it in my DSL40c.

@bishlap

4 жыл бұрын

could listen to that on crunch every day.

@ag6478

3 жыл бұрын

True. I think it's a good speaker in that amp, especially if you put a smoother tube in V1

After all these years listening to others opinions,this video made it perfectly clear. GB`s are not so great,sound narrow as hell as does the 30`s. The 150`s are too dirty and the 70/80 is my second pick. I have a 16 x 75`s....they are staying in MY cabs !! Thank you for this video,saved me a lot of money on replacing perfectly good speakers.

I think for recording you want a relatively balanced speaker with a strong but tight fundamental and a little bit of warmth. You also need it to be capable of maintaining its identity from low to high power. You can then EQ that however you see fit. For this reason "classic" speakers like the greenback and vintage 30 that have very strong "identities", particularly clean and overdriven, are great tools but there's a reason they aren't "stock" in many manufacturers cabs.

Speakers make such a difference in tone. That's a good thing too.

The greenback is sparkling, love it!

Excellent shootout. Very objective and VERY informative.

Thanks for this work! for me 70/80 and G12T-75 by far!

IMO this video confirms 3 things: 1 - G12T75 is the best celestion speaker. BY FAR. Períod. 2 - V30 is a lame speaker. Sucked mids. Squashed tone. It does not deserve the hype. 3 - Seventy 80 is a good speaker indeed. Great overall tone. It does not deserve the hate.

@guitarexpert2245

3 жыл бұрын

Current V30 made in China is lame, original made in U.K. much better & even better is the Marshall Vintage.

@davidostray6207

2 жыл бұрын

Well put.

@fuzzmakersound

2 ай бұрын

Celestion G12K-85/100 and G12H-100 are The Greateat Speakers Ever Made

Great demo! I love every celestion speakers but the g12b 150w Is the best in my opinion.

@gae7081

Жыл бұрын

I love the cheapy-grungy sounds!😂

I've always loved the V30, but after hearing this comparison, the Greenback I thought was the best balance of tone and power. Especially with my type of guitar (twin humbucker, single cut).

This video convinced me to either keep the 70-80s in my Origin212, and not bother with Greenbacks, or maybe switch to V30s. Outstanding video.

@cgavin1

4 жыл бұрын

I've used both G12T-75's (4x12) and 70-80s with my Origin 20 and they are both great. My favourite speaker with the Origin is the Creamback 65.

I just bought the Seventy 80. Looking forward to using it.

In my Jubilee full stack I run 2-G12t75 and 2 greenbacks in the bottom cabinet and 2-G12t75 and 2 Vintage 30s in the top. Running one cab individually both sound good but when I run both cabinets the 3 different tones make a fantastic mix. Im building a spare 4 x 12 and will put 2 G12t75s and 2 greenbacks in that one as I think that combo has the best overall tone

So much detail in the V30 for such a high-power speaker

Great demo video thanks . The greenback for me .

Absolutely epic comparison, and wtf the 70 80 smoked the V30 in basically all categories. G12T75 for me sounds the best by far

@zaloraltest

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Murphy thaaaanks!!!

@79Pedrosanchez

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent work ! Everyone are complaining but the seventy 80 is very well balanced and opens up nicely when sustained. G12-75 is about the same but more tight and better definition. Maybe better in studio for recording. 70-80 wins and keeping mine. V30 is way too trebly greenback muffled. Thanks a lot for the great work putting together. I like to just listen to this video which is strange but my ears like 👍 it

Thanks for sharing 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Was going for a Greenback, but I'm keeping my seventy80 😁.

Very good comparison, thank you Zaloral

I totally love the 70/80 according to my needs and tone. I really don't understand why anyone would "hate it".

@auntjenifer7774

Жыл бұрын

THEY are in the DSL range and they those amps already have higher gain and pre amp distortion so that and the fact people don't know how to dial in the tone !? I don't know there also the fact that all the fizz goes away once you turn the volume up past 2-3 And the power tubes kick some bass and thunk into the speaker the fizz on high gain goes away.

@bryanwilliams3665

2 ай бұрын

Everyone, including you are correct!!...They are both Fantastic and Horrible... Your perception is your reality . Who is ANYONE to tell anyone else, what THAT person is hearing?

Very well done demo! I liked the GB and 150 best, but not sure GB’s 25 watt rating is sufficient for a 40 watt amp. I just picked up this amp and threw a V30 in it that I had lying around. Sounds good in mine, not so bright and shrill the way it sounds here. May try the Creamback at some point

@zaloraltest

5 жыл бұрын

gibsonxpl85 thank you sir! for use the greenback I play my dsl in triode mode, so you got max 20w

I was thinking of getting greenbacks or vintage 30's for my 4X12 bottom cab but now i think i'll leave the G12T75s in it

Thanks for the video. Great comparisons.

@zaloraltest

4 жыл бұрын

J P thank!!!!!!!!

Very good comparison thank you!

Been playing 75’s since the 80’s for guitar ............. and bass............... I own 4 cabs with them, never had one speaker fail and I’ve played in some LOUD bands. Greatest speaker of all time, for me at least.

Yep, that was well done - subbed - I too liked the T-75 and live everyone is saying, the 70/80 sounded good too. I have a UK V30 in my Rectoverb and I just don’t like the way it sounds, looking for something else. Thanks again

@zaloraltest

3 жыл бұрын

I thank you too!

G12T75!!!!!!!!!!

The best shout out !!!!!!!

the 70/80 and G12T-75 were my favs. Very solid and warm. The G12T-75 had some flub on the clean sound, but otherwise, it sounded great. Strangely, the G12M Greenback sounded cold here, like it was going through your dad's old stereo lol. The Vintage 30 speaker were way too shrill for me.

@alvarg

2 жыл бұрын

@Truth Warrior I really dislike uk vintage 30s in mesa cabs just too dark and flubby, Chinese made ones are a little better, I actually quite like the T75s and the Creambacks,

I was surprised how bad the V30 sounded to me. I have one in a 1x12 Mesa cab and never heard it to be that fuzzy. I found the G12T75 and 70/80 sounding somewhat similar, or at least very close. The 70/80 is very impressive.

@zaloraltest

4 жыл бұрын

Dan C every each speaker sounds different depending on the amp. The dsl is a highs oriented amp. With a v30 becam an orgy of trebles

Thx m@n you save my day // G12T75 + G12B150 4 a more modern tones in a 2x12 cab

@zaloraltest

5 жыл бұрын

LushKordz I thank you too

Those greenies sounded amazing…. And the v30’s

The celestion G Series speakers sound great with everything but especially most especially for heavy metal music! They sound pretty much close to the HESU Demon 75 watt speakers, especially the celestion G12T 75. Thanks for using single coil pickups and humbuckers with all EQ settings. Hopefully in the future if you haven't already, please do a demo with 6l6 power tubes the same way.

@zaloraltest

5 жыл бұрын

MultiScoffer sure! Thank you!

very cool; thanks for doing this!! 🤘😎

@zaloraltest

5 жыл бұрын

Ken Morales thanks for watching!!! 🤗

@kenmorales5988

5 жыл бұрын

@@zaloraltest This really helped me a lot. I am going to upgrade to the V30. 🤘😎

G12t75 + greenback in one cab

@mikehendrix8324

3 жыл бұрын

I have 4x12 marshall cab with G12t75 's. I was about to buy a 4x12 with 2- v30's and 2 greenbacks but now I think I will just get 2 greenbacks to put in there with the 75's. Although $400 for the v30/greenback cab seems good.Could not buy the speakers alone for that

Came to hear the Seventy 80 compared to some more familiar Celestions. That Seventy 80 is actually quite impressive! I would most certainly install one in my amps. Not sure why they get such hate, but I'll use that to my advantage to get one for much cheaper.

@ballsofdoom3124

4 жыл бұрын

I just pulled the trigger on one for my project amp. $40 shipped on eBay.

@thorinbane

4 жыл бұрын

I had a used Traynor 212 designed for them. It sounded good, but it was a little too bassie for my liking. Got some EVH speakers. Sounded much better once they opened up after breakin. If people want to switch their tone up, get different speakers and cabinets. The 70/80s sounded much better in an open back 112 I made. Small dimensions took out some of the woofieness. Also don't overlook the lesser of the big guys. Jensen and Emi put out some great speakers. I didn't like the GWS speakers I tried. None of them had a character I liked. Too sterile. Too fizzy . Too bassie. Jensen jet falcon gave me one of the best tones. And it was a 10 inch. Less lows than some 12s but it really cuts through in the mix. The highs are chimey but not too bright.

@renevancity

4 жыл бұрын

Can confirm! I have v30 and a seventy80 in separate cabinets. They both sound great on their own and blended.

T75 and GB's for me... don't mind a bit of fuzz but yeah the V30 has too much... may try 1xT75, 2xGB and 1xV30 in a quad for that slight under current of fuzz... if that doesn't work 3xGB's and 1xT75.

Thank you for catering for all the indy shoe gazers with the clean tones before descending to your happy place with a bit of gain :)

@zaloraltest

4 жыл бұрын

Holywell 😂

The Greenback is by far my favorite

Great comparison!

@zaloraltest

4 жыл бұрын

Thaaanks!

g12b150 the best balanced sounding for me, more natural, smooth and more ‘reference’ 👍🏻

1. Seventy 80 (real nice surprise) 2. G12T (except for 7strings) 3. G12M 4. G12B 5 V30

Nice demo. Greenback or T75 all the way for me. Never been a V30 fan - can't stand the mids/fizziness. I have the DSL40C w/G12M-65 Creamback and rebuilt a 1x12 cab with a G12T75. I like the way the two speakers compliment each other. I love the T75 and don't understand all the dislike it gets - especially when it's the stock speaker in so many Marshall cabs.

@zaloraltest

6 жыл бұрын

Bob Kraft you got a gooood speaker-twin. Also I love the g12T75, I got it into my dsl 40c forever

@davesaenz3732

5 жыл бұрын

I just ordered the Marshall dsl40c after lots of reviews, but I hear the stock speakers aren't very good, I purchased a G12t75 speaker and I like to put it in that amp. Can this be done, same ohms/watts, is it a big upgrade?

@zaloraltest

5 жыл бұрын

Dave Saenz oh yeah. The speaker can change everything.

@davesaenz3732

5 жыл бұрын

@@zaloraltest Thank you

Great demo. I own most all of these. And now I don't like green backs.

vintage 30 is just so vintage 30 i love it

I run a 4x12 with V30s, and another with 2 G12 EVHs and 2 Seventy 80s and the tone is just heaven. I run an EVH 5150III most of the time and Peavey 5150 sometimes.

great job!

@zaloraltest

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!!!

I definitely don't understand the v30 craze. I think it sounds really fizzy compared to the others. Idk maybe it's just me.

@flyingstratosurfer6285

4 жыл бұрын

It´s not just you. In this comparison the V 30 is definitely not my choice, way too scratchy.

@BillBerendsMusic

4 жыл бұрын

Scooped mids metal guys like them, probably because they are fizzy. Never liked them myself. G12T-75's all the way. :)

@dw22509

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on its application the amp and the cab... PV 5150 with a v30 loaded Mesa recto 4x12 is brutal.

@holywell5649

4 жыл бұрын

I think v30 is about getting some frequencies pushed with heavily overdriven sounds. I definitely go for the mellower greenback and creamback Medium size magnet sound. But I am older and go for mild break up tone.

@jamesjzelaznyjr910

4 жыл бұрын

30 sucked as do the GB`s. Over rated....stick to 75 !!

The seventy 80 in a closed 2x12 cab it's a very good option for rehearsal. It's my choice, but at studio, blend differents speakers works very well.

Seventy80 for my taste

That extra crunch of the V30 is where the magic is at.

Holy cow, the greenback sounds great.

G12T75 for me , more warm

In this video to my ears best to worst: 1 Seventy80 - chunky, singy, full with clarity 2 G12T75 - similar to Seventy80 3 G12B150 - similar to Seventy80 4 Greenback - slightly muffled and thin with dull raspiness (not broken in ? open cab ? ) 5 Vintage 30 - too fizzy, thin and almost unmusically raspy (not broken in?) I am surprised to rate V30 as the least satisfying experience. Thank you for putting up the video, good work ! thanks

loving the T-75 here

Nice comparison. On the crunch tones, Greenback sounds too clean/tamed for me, vintage 30 sounds too vintage in such a way that it seems its going to break soon, thin and fizzy.. 70/80 and 75 for me.

Here after I bought a handbuilt solid state tweed amp w reverb and fx loop for $100. Opened it up and found it had a Seventy80 in it. I was really enjoying the tones I was getting out of it and looked it up to see it's got a bad rap.. and after watching this vid as well, I really have no clue as to why that is? I think it sounds great, just gotta dial in a little EQ for different pickups and gain settings!

@zaloraltest

2 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on the amp. maybe on yours it sounds good but on the dsl it's a hive of mosquitoes

@AaronAubreyPhoto

2 жыл бұрын

@@zaloraltest haha that's unfortunate. From what I've read, the 70/80 also needs to be broken in, but I'm far from an expert lol.. I'll probably buy another speaker down the road and compare it to the 70/80!

I thought the V30 sounded the worst until the very high gain clip with the Les Paul, I think this would be the only time that harsh top end makes sense.

Thank you very much!!!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

@zaloraltest

5 жыл бұрын

I thank you too!

Cool shootout, but "in the room" sound is different from "close mic'd". That matters when you're choosing, too.

Hands down the 75. Sounds like two guitars. Vintage 30 in second imo. The rest sound compressed into a certin range. The 75 covers more range and the different ranges are distinct.

At the end all down to personal taste and what cuts through in a band context. But in this test IMHO the V30 sounded weird. The again, how was it recorded and mixed so we can hear it in comparison. Personally, I would choose the G12,T-150, but that's just me and who am I to judge...? 😂

I liked the 12 75 for most of the settings but once you get into the 7 string the 12 75 was my least favorite I thought the green back was good in 7 string but the last speaker g12 150 was really.nice in 7 string (it was my least favorite in all other settings)

Это лучший обзор. Респект.. Выбрал G12-T75

@user-dc6gl3ki8j

4 жыл бұрын

Топовый динамик! Лучше всех

@vady72

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-dc6gl3ki8j у меня в одном кабе vintage 30, в другом G12T-75 просто скпер

@user-dc6gl3ki8j

4 жыл бұрын

А что за кабинеты?

@vady72

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-dc6gl3ki8j ерасов бул 112,немного их довел до ума

I have a v30 in a 112 hk cab playing through a 20 watt Marshall origin,sounds amazing clean and dirty. Not sure if there was sabatogee involved here😁

@olifitzgerald

4 жыл бұрын

About to purchase the marshall origin 20, how are the cleans with it and a V30?

@mikemcchesney8437

4 жыл бұрын

I think they sound great man!

@mikemcchesney8437

4 жыл бұрын

This vid makes the v30 sound fuzzy, I assure you it’s not. Let me know how it goes.

Seventy 80s ...wow!

I suspect the V30 is brand new. A broken in V30 does not sound fizzy (unless your guitar / amps/ pedal are the cause) check out all the other yoo toob comparisons.

@nicolasbolattieberhardt1127

3 жыл бұрын

Could be a good reason

This again shows; 1) How totally unjustly the 70/80 is hated "by the pack" 2) How totally overrated the Vintage 30 is, sounding horribly earrippingly fizzy, good only for destroying ears and killing mosquitos......

@StandTallTx

2 жыл бұрын

From my experience, anything above a light crunch will make the V30 sound ugly on its own. It NEEDS to be mixed with other speakers in order to tame the harshness.

Hi. The amp is the 2018 DSL model (DSL CR) or the previous version? Thank you

@zaloraltest

4 жыл бұрын

Diego Gajardo the previous one

Hi all. What is the ohms test reading on your Seventy 80s ? mine is rated at 16 ohms and tested at 11.3 Ohms. anyone else have this issue ?

@zaloraltest

2 жыл бұрын

mine is also at 16 ohms but I've never tested it

Great demo! I like them all except for the V30. The 150 sounds great so does the GB.

Ok, MY take, 70/80 & V30 were terrible, however the 70/80 was the BEST of a bad lot! The G12T was by far the best sounding as I think it is a much FLATTER sounding speaker, followed by the Greeny, then the G12B, which is a think a BASS speaker. I thought the G12T was the best OVERALL/All round speaker! It handled everything WELL! Good comp! \m/

What happened to all the mid on the V30?...weird....

I wonder if anyone has tried to put one of each of these in a single 4x12 cab and record with a room mic, or 4 of the same mics, one on each speaker, equally blended? Also, if the tone varies when they all share the same airspace or were partitioned?

@zaloraltest

Жыл бұрын

It’s a very good idea!

The seventy 80 sounded good with dirt, but it sounded so thin on the cleans.

@eloysuopunki7926

4 жыл бұрын

Might be because of the amp head.

The V Type and GT-75 may make a better pair because their sensitivity ratings are closer than a V30 and a GT75. I find the V30 dominates that pairing. I find the V Type pairs up nicely with other Celestion speakers. Don’t know about the high volume sound, but great at moderate levels.

I like the 75's for clean tones and mild rock , but the V30's just punch thru.

The 70-80 sounds great v30 has a brighter top-end than the rest. What a find interesting is with the Strat The 70-80 Sounds brighter then the 25 Greenback but the Les Paul brightens up through the Greenback more than the Strat.

I like the 70/80, sounds the most like a Fender eminence speaker, my preferred tone. The vintage 30 sounds horrible to my ears. The rest of the pack sound a bit more muffled and lack definition, typically brit sounding. I now understand why Fender uses the 70/80 in some of their amps, cheap good sounding speaker.

What were your amp settings for the speakers ?

@zaloraltest

5 жыл бұрын

MrOzgooner all eq, presence and resonance at 5. Gain clean/ crunc/od at 7

out of all 5, G12T75- all the way!

seventy 80 is impressive for its price. what sort of voodoo did you work here?

@zaloraltest

5 жыл бұрын

Peyote Slurpy 😂😂😂 the magic of dsl

@dressedtosmellgood

5 жыл бұрын

they are not good. an eminence legend would do you much better

@profile1251

5 жыл бұрын

@@dressedtosmellgood Agreed Eminence Legend are better and for less money too

@SgtPnkks

5 жыл бұрын

@@profile1251 eminence legend isn't less money... it's not a significant difference ($1-5 more) but definitely not less

@profile1251

5 жыл бұрын

@@SgtPnkks it is less here at least.. nextgenguitars.ca/products/eminence-legend-gb128-50w-8ohm.html vs. nextgenguitars.ca/products/celestion-seventy-80-80w-8ohm.html

G12T75 Awesome!

70/80 really sounds like a bad boy!

Never realised how much Vintage 30's suck until today!

Swapped my 70/80 with G12H-100 in my 112 home cab just looking for something new, but brought the 70/80 back next day. The 70/80 suits better my Mesa 50 caliber head!