Spectacular , very well done demo and playing . Way above most other comparisons imo.

Excellent job introducing the F12X and F12M in a real world type application that we users are likely to pursue! Myself I have an F12-X200 and built the cabinet that Celestion published the specs for so I could be sure it was giving me everything it was designed for. It is a great speaker for modelers for sure, it gives that little bit more of a 'real amp' experience that we all look for when using digital 'amps'. Since I have it connected to a mixer output that my quad Cortex is feeding into it is easy to use the presets you uploaded and they don't disappoint! I'll be saving a few of them to use and as templates to plug my own captures into. Looking forward to the rest of your journey with QC and the F12M / F12X

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

So you built the cab - THAT's 'all in' - love that!!! Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for taking the time to share, appreciated on all fronts;)

@kristofferleecampbell4103

3 жыл бұрын

Where did you get the specs for the cab? I want to build one aswell

@CelestionUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@kristofferleecampbell4103 it's right here: celestion.com/blog/build-this-f12-x200-1x12-cabinet-design/

@kristofferleecampbell4103

3 жыл бұрын

@@CelestionUK thank you!

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@kristofferleecampbell4103 Sorry I missed getting that for you! Cheers ~ Doug;)

Great job Doug, best showcase of these incredible speakers to date. I put an X200 into a Marshall VS112 closed back cab which sits under a VS100R combo, then added a cab switcher to allow me to select which speaker is active. My Boss GT-1000 sounds so much better through the X200 cab compared to running it through a normal guitar speaker. I still get to play through my amp in the normal fashion when I want, but when I use a GT-1000 patch with modelling, I simply flick the cab switcher to run through the X200 cab. Great setup for home based playing.

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Techno - thanks and that's awesome, all the way around! We are DEFINITELY featuring the GT-1000 and/or the Core for one of these, so perhaps I'll bust out one of my Valvestates for that - thanks for the inspiration - that's a pretty crafty rig you've got going there - great to hear you're enjoying the X200!!!

Great video!! I really want to try this speakers.

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Alvaro, awesome and appreciated. They are AWESOME! Cheers ~ Doug;)

@alvarofelipe_sepu

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougDopplerMusic, in your experience, If you had to choose one of the two to put in a ported cab, wich would you choose? and If you want to put two in a 2x12 cab, would you rather place one of each or two of the same type? Thanks in advice

Very nice indeed.

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciated Ralph, hope you're having a great weekend:)

this dude is a beast 👹

Very great demo series in really good quality. What's a shame is that you only have a real AB comparison with stereo devices; a normal AB switch back and forth would work better, as I don't have any real stereo equipment. I would like an AB test of this quality. But great test and played great...👏👏👏

I use two Katana mk. 1's with the X200 to great effect, but would love to try two tube combos for a little more "life" to the tone, X-200s are great!

I have 2 g 75 t in my laney cab they sound exactly like my studio headphones no difference but it is nice to listen to the speakers oh, and I have four solid-state amp’s katana,Marshall , d.v.mark and a vox ,dv mark sound phenomenal

I'm running a powerstage 700 into 2 Zilla ported 1x12's loaded with X200's and I literally just got my QC. I think I'm going to have some fun with this lot...!

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

ROCK on Alex - that's a KILLER rig there - enjoy:)

@JustinShreds

3 жыл бұрын

I’m literally doing this same exact thing but I’m wondering if I should do ported or not. Paul mentioned doing the Celestion Design cab or an open back 1x12… any thoughts?

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@JustinShreds Hey! Totally depends on the vibe you're going for. If you're looking for uber-tight bottom end, the you probably don't want to got with a port or open back in order to keep maximum punch. And as I sure you know, a classic part of Fender style tones is the fact that the open back cabinet loosens things up in the bottom and the sound has more of a fill the room vibe as it bounces off the wall behind the amp. So... if you're seriously leaning in either direction, you'll probably go to one of the two extremes, if you're looking for a balance, open back is probably the better way to go with a single 12. If it's on the floor you'll get the aforementioned back wall bounce. Like their 4x12 counterparts, closed back 1x12 cabs are pretty directional, which means that if it is on the floor you'll be hearing a really off axis version of your tone which means that what you'll tune your tones to will most likely be pretty different that what's actually coming directly out of the front of the cab. This can sound awesome, but begins to be problematic when creating tones for 'the room' AND recording/direct out. Hope that helps! Cheers ~ Doug:)

@JustinShreds

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougDopplerMusic thank you so much for the detailed reply! You provided lots of great points. My main style that I play is metal, hi-gain distortion, and very low tunings (Drop A and such)… I do love playing blues and other stuff that isn’t distorted. He had mentioned the Celestion Design cabinet but said it can be a little bass-heavy and that’s where he mentioned the open-back. Based off of what my playing style is, and also what you said regarding tuning the amp to the room, would you still recommend open-back? Or just go with a closed-back and call it a day? Cheers.

All hail Doug.."Jay" MIB reference. There is a speaker God and he has sent you to spead the knoweledge in the world of FRFR and it's configuration possibilities. H.E.L.P! First, you are an accomplished player brotherman! This demo is most definitly the best to date regarding frfr and achieving in the "room" club - blue jams" to monster rock ARENA volume feel when you need it. So, May I call you professor? Seriously, I need help. No mod guys in Gatlinburg, Knoxville. Must search Nashville to find the amp / speaker tweeker to achieve my goal. I have worked with several ...in Nashville but not in the last 1.5 yr's.

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Ronald! Just saw this, thanks for the kind words and ENTHUSIASM!!! So, what are your questions? Cheers ~ Doug:)

@ronaldlabarbera6675

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougDopplerMusic Thanks kindly for your reply brother in rock across land and sea! Ordered the x pattern speakers to load into a smaller Marshall V4x12 cab. Shouldn't be a problem fitting "2" F12X200 & "2" F12M-150 wired as a 4 ohm cab. Not clear how Kemper powered units are 600 watts into their passive F12x200 "200" watt speaker cab? So, I'm diizzy with all the power amp choices. Seymour 700 no 1/4 jacks? On the fly pick up and go gigs / jams I'll run the Kemper stage, rack & 1x12 cab. Other dates/larger venues "I HOPE" I'll run 4x12 cabs or 1x12 cab with the 4x12 cab. Flexibilty. Reviewing Crown class D - XLS 1002 series 2 thats 350 per side @ 4 ohms or XLS1502. Or Behringer or.. Were you using the Seymour 700 with the Neural when doing the acoustic work into your 4x12 cab loaded with x200 & M-150 ? And a kind request. If willing & able could you please do a demo using the Kemper with the Seymour 700 into 4x12 frfr speaker cab? You said it.....Acoustic into a 4x12 cab...Say what? How about mandolin? Your the Senator of Soul the governor of rock & rock. Play it like ya'own it brother. Love your versatility and talent!

@ronnieparfait

Жыл бұрын

The Duncan 700 only has 1/4” input jacks, no xlr tho. 🤘🏼✌🏼

Great demo! Maybe a naive question: Are this kind of speakers good for playing an acoustic guitar with preamp?

Celestion suggested cab for the F12-X200 is a ported cab. F12-X150 I see placed in open back cabs. What type of cab would you use for F12-X200 and a F12-X150 together?

Hi Doug - any recommendations? I bought a pair of F12M-150's and put into my old Vox cabinet. I am having really mixed results, that are perhaps not that far from some of the experiences of the Kemper w/Kones. On my Quad Cortex I find that generally high gain sounds are very washed out and I have to make some serious EQ tweaks -- generally boosting low (125hz) by 3.0+dB and then 4-5k boost by 2.0dB -- additionally often reducing some mid range frequencies (2-4k) by -1.0dB. For clean sounds the same frequencies but the increase are far less.

Doug, again great video :) Can you please share pros / cons with this setup I'm planning. QC -> Seymour Duncan Power Stage 200 speaker out -> regular open guitar cabinet loaded with new Celestion F12M-150 Triple Cone Hoping to be able to take advantage of QC's cab blocks but not sure if Power Stage is neutral enough through speaker out.

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Jari! The Power Stage is a GREAT choice. While anything you add will add some sort of color, these power amps sound great and have been 100 reliable for me - I have the 170 too. The key advantages of the 200 is dual outs and if you need it (which you won't with the QC) speaker emulation which is cool if you just want to use some sort of amp in the box thing. While I haven't tried the 200 yet (or using an amp in the box with it), I've been super impressed with the 170 and the 700 and have the option of speaker emulation is always a great card trick to have up your sleeve. Short answer, YES!!!

@jarikarhu1092

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougDopplerMusic Hey Doug! Thank you so much for your response. So, Power Stage 200 is the way to go. How about the last link of setup, meaning cabinet. Do you think Celestion F12M-150 Triple Cone is suitable for regular open guitar cabinet? At least your last part with Fender Hot Rod Deluxe IV sounds very good. I play mostly covers including wide variety of styles (except metal :) ), so I hope the setup will keep up.

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@jarikarhu1092 If you're NOT primarily playing Metal open back is a GREAT way to go when gigging because the cab breathes and reflects off the back wall which is especially helpful when it comes to modeling devices in terms of adding feel and 'sonic swirl' back into the air for both your ears and the guitar to hear and feel:)

@jarikarhu1092

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougDopplerMusic Thank you for your insights. Most usefull. I'll give the speaker a try when it is available here. Would be nice to see a demo about this kind of application (power station -> open cab with Celestion F12M-150). But I know that you have so many things to do :)

Hi, Doug. I just bought a F12M-150 and didn’t love it at first and then I pushed it with some more power and now I really like it. I’m thinking of adding a F12-x200 and putting them in a 212 cab. Would you recommend that setup? Thank you very much!

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hey JASON - NICE! So here's the question, are you a mono or stereo player. If mono is your thing, the blend is AWESOME, and will add some depth of field that is really cool. If you're running and/or thinking about going stereo, using two identical speakers is ideal. Why? You can always use two different IRs, but having the 'matched pair' enables you to have a shared based tone that you can add stereo effects using a common 'base tone'. I talk about that a bit in the next video in the series. If by chance you went hog wild and got two 2x12 cabs, then I'd suggest using the blend in each cab, as that would be great for mono with one or both cabs, and stereo with both cabs since they'd share the same speaker blend. Again, in the next video I do an A, B, A+B demos with clean and dirty tones, and the blend sounds REALLY nice, IMHO. Hope that helps:) Thanks again ~ Doug;)

If you had a 2x12 cab, would recommend mixing it with 1 of each speaker? Or just a pair of either set?

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Dave! I really like the blend. What I'm loving about the comments is that we're collectively visiting some options we've never really had in the modeling world. That is to say, what about two 2x12 cabs? I would be inclined to place them in the cabs in such a way that if I were to stack or put the two cabs side by side they would replicate the x-pattern I went for in the 4x12 cabs. As I was editing the video I kept noticing that not only the M150 only had more high end at 5k, it seemed to have a bit less low end. At first I thought I might have missed the low end on the mic placement so I went back and checked the frequency curve chart, and noticed that the M150 does have a bit less going on in the bottom end. For this reason in particular, I think they compliment one another really well. It's not like the M150 is bass light, or that the X200 lacks top end, they are just a bit different, which is kind of odd to say about flat speakers. To add a bit of a twist to all of that, if you or I just played Strats or Les Pauls, then I *might* be inclined to suggest X200 and M150 respectively. While the X200s aren't in the least bit tubby nor are the M150s fizzy, on guitars that can get tubby or bright, this is a legitimate consideration. Speaker geeks unite:)

Do celestion make or plan to make IRs for amp in the room kind of sound? Since all modelers and IRs are emulating sound of the recorded cab, which is not the point when you are trying to mimic a real speaker in the room, not a recorded one. The only solution i saw was PowerCab, but still no alternatives….

Great video! i bought an F12-x200 for using it like you're using the F12M-150 with the blues junior, not the same amp but the same concept and the speaker fit in chassis. Anyway, I plug the new speaker and i tried to use it but when i plug in the jack it start buzzing like hell, any tips for that? any thoughts? maybe it's the amp, i have to make it check by someone. Anyway, thanks! great video indeed.

@DougDopplerMusic

2 жыл бұрын

Roberto - my apologies on the slow reply - just saw your comment now for the first time. Were you able to get the buzz issue resolved? Hope you're enjoying the speaker!!!

@robertocampo4855

2 жыл бұрын

@@DougDopplerMusic Sadly not, I weren't be able to figure out what was the problem, so i swap back the speaker to a vintage 30 and the F12 is in its box.. don't know why but with a "normal" guitar speaker i have no issue, the amp works just fine

@DougDopplerMusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertocampo4855 THAT is REALLY weird, as 'in theory' the speaker should not add a buzz. HUH!

@CelestionUK

2 жыл бұрын

But a speaker will output a buzz that's already there. Remember the F12-X200 reproduces frequencies up to 20kHz while the V30 will be rolling off after 5500Hz. So if that buzz lives somewhere between 6500 and 20,000 Hz, the F12 will still audibly reproduce it, but you wouldn't necessarily hear it coming from the V30.

Which model is the black Stratocaster with binding and chrome pick guard?

Hi Doug! I am very interested in this idea. Could I use my L6 DT25 combo with one of these speakers and add QC to it's FX loop so I still make use of it's power tubes?

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Trevor - ABSOLUTELY - that's a great idea! I actually have a pair of those so I'll check the depth to see whether or not both speakers will fit and circle back. Those are GREAT amps and as I'm sure you know, Reinhold Bogner was the design lead on that project. Cheers ~ Doug:)

@NSRider24

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougDopplerMusic That is great news for me since it might save me a ton of money rather than buying a FRFR cab from L6 or Mission at the moment. I would love to hear if both can fit in there. I honestly would be stoked if you could do a short video demo of the concept ... let me know if that's a possibility :D

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@NSRider24 Hey! So I grabbed my DT-25s out of storage as the next video is going to be on Line 6 gear. I have not had a chance to do any measurements yet, but I will circle back once I have:)

@NSRider24

3 жыл бұрын

@@DougDopplerMusic Thank you so much Doug :)! I love the effort.

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@NSRider24 So I just finished swapping out the G12H-90 for the F12-M150. Fits fine, the F12X-200 won't fit however. The short version is that you have to unscrew the back panels and various screws to get access to the speaker, of course making sure to disconnect the cable from the back of the amp chassis. Interestingly, the chassis is held in place by the screws for the handle - never seen that done before. Once the handle is unscrewed you pull the chassis out and then you can swap the speaker. The next video is going to be on the Line 6 family, and since I have two of these amps I''ll be able to do some 'true' stereo demos since they'll have the same speakers and I can get away with putting different stuff on the left and right. that would be my thought in this moment at least, so thanks for the inspiration. Unlike Helix, the Quad Cortex does not currently give you separate pre-amp and power amp blocks, the latter I'll probably not use with for the demos. BUT, there is nothing wrong with a tube power amp, and via MIDI there are some really cool things you can do with the topography for the power amp section. I'd suggest checking out the next video which will hit in a a little under two weeks. Cheers ~ Doug:)

How are you micing these?

You almost gotta get one of both

I have a 212 cab I built from 13 ply high density baltic birch. Slightly large than a orange 212. Has 2 T75's in it. I run a headrush unit. I run it 4 cable through evh amp and blend with evh preamp. Gain stack etc. I mostly play metal. Sounds great through my studio monitors. Not as great through my cab. I think I need these flat response speakers to improve my live sound. Will they be ok and a big closed back cab like that? I read somewhere(cant recall where) that these ar best used in an open back cab. Any truth to this?

@CelestionUK

2 жыл бұрын

You'll get a different sound open vs closed cabinet, (closed will be punchier, for example) but neither is better than the other...

@timeiseverything4

2 жыл бұрын

@@CelestionUK i got them. fabulous!

Hey i just wonder how a solid state amp sounds through with an 8 string and chuggy chords metal and squeels etc. Will it sound guitar speaker enough?

@CelestionUK

2 жыл бұрын

Not unless you've got a cab sim in there somewhere...

6:45 metal

What is the advantage of these speakers compared to a PA-speaker?

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

GREAT question. Like P.A. speakers, these are full range, but the response to how they feel underneath the fingers and strings is markedly different. It's why playing through monitors never feels like playing through a cabinet - the attack and bloom never feels right since they were designed for a range of instruments, not just guitar, which unlike pretty much all the others is ALL about the feel and the bloom. If you think of standing in front of a P.A. with a modeler going front of house and chugging (if you do the chug thing) and the way they respond is different. These speakers were designed to produce the frequency response with the 'live' feel we're used to as guitar players from guitar speakers, and I think they do a great job at both. Again great question:)

@tstrandv123

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your reply. Im considering to change my speakers on my Orange cr120 combo (2x12) to one of each of those frlr speakers. It's a solidstate amp with 120 watts. Is the power too small on the amp?

@CelestionUK

3 жыл бұрын

@@tstrandv123 Not at all, that's plenty of power.

@DougDopplerMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@tstrandv123 Hey! So the whole thing about F12-X200 being rated at 200 Watts and the F12M-150 is 150 Watts (FINALLY a product whose name actually means something to the 'rest of us') is that some folks will use this with higher powered power amps like my Seymour Duncan Powerstage 700 watt monster, which obviously sends out 350 watts per side. THAT is where you can get into trouble by overpowering a speaker's rating vs. under powering it, as the good folks at Celestion pointed out. The thing you WILL need to keep in mind is the depth of the speakers. The M150 is less deep and has fit into just about every cab I've measured it for (doesn't fit in the Mustang 100, unfortunately. The M150 is approximately 5" / 127mm deep and the M200 is approximately 6.5" / 165mm deep. Some combos snuggle all the bits around the speaker, so a quick look with a measuring tape would be my suggestion. ALSO - double check it has an effects loop, which as I recall is on the bottom side of the chassis, accessible from the back of the amp:)