Cat launch new C13D 13 Litre engine at Conexpo - Allen Chen explains its key features and benefits
Today at ConExpo Caterpillar launched the new Cat C13D, 13 litre diesel engine platform, designed to achieve best-in-class power density, torque and fuel efficiency for optimising the performance of heavy duty off-highway applications.
Peter Haddock visited the stand and spoke to product specialist Allen Chen taking a walk around the new engine, in the video below.
Some key facts:
The inline, six-cylinder Cat C13D engine platform will offer eight power ratings from 456 to 690 hp (340 to 515 kW) with up to 2360 lb. ft. (3200 Nm) of peak torque. Engine-mounted aftertreatment and cooling packs will also be available.
The Cat C13D engine platform enables the use of renewable liquid fuels such as 100% HVO, B100 distilled biodiesel, and even up to B100 standard biodiesel by working with Cat dealers.
Visitors to ConExpo can see the new engine on stand S84329.
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I'd love to see caterpillar engines on the road in new trucks again.
@SamuelBerryhill
Жыл бұрын
I’ll 2nd that
@melvinalbert6172
Жыл бұрын
Not going to happen
@ifyourmarriedyourasimpanda7440
Жыл бұрын
@@melvinalbert6172 it will if we ban the EPA. Emissions are the biggest grift the rich have done since the palace of Versailles in the 1800s
@LSDdreams808
Жыл бұрын
Best engines ever
@nzsaltflatsracer8054
Жыл бұрын
Working on that engine in a modern truck would be a major pain. I'm a road service mechanic, have you ever worked on a DD-15 & 16 with the compressor on the back? A rear gear train isn't a new idea for industrial engines, two stroke Detroits had it way back in the 1940's.
hydraulic lash adjusters = Lifters. CAT language, gotta love it
@aaronstinsman
Жыл бұрын
Im wondering if it has the hydraulic adjustment in the rockers like the cat C3.4b.
I'm waiting to see how this does long term. That fuel module is surely going to be expensive. But I like the no egr. Time will tell.
@januarioqueiroz3122
Жыл бұрын
You are completely right, I agree with you!👍
Nice ... I'll keep my 3406. Sounds great, over 2.4 million miles, 550 hp & paid for
@alvin6145
Жыл бұрын
3406 doesn't have 550 horse
@stephenmiller5023
Жыл бұрын
They can produce over 600 hp with ease when properly set up . Back in the late ‘80’s when I was Truck shop Foreman at Hawthorne Cat here in San Diego Ca. We had a lot of customers trucks running 400 plus , 500 plus & even a few making 600 plus corrected REAR WHEEL horsepower figures on our Superflow Chassis Dyno & even built up one customers 3408 with twin compound turbos and custom Bosch Fueling system sourced from a guy in Wisconsin I believe that did tractor pulls and a custom set of Built in Peoria Illinois Cat injectors for it that made a very respectable 1785 horsepower on our engine dynamometer at over 130 psi of boost !! There was over $50-k invested in that engine build with everything from Ceramic coated pistons to machining the block & heads for custom fire-rings made out of Stainless steel to seal pressures in each cylinder along with all the associated piping to set up the twin turbo setup. Once it was installed into the Peterbilt truck it was slated for it produced over 1250 rear wheel horsepower and held it effortlessly ( our Dyno was only rated for 1500 hp at that time ) and that truck FLEW out on the highway . They hauled heavy equipment ( lowboy multi axle trailer) with it and had a Hell of a time with driveline issues as I recall . If my memory is correct they eventually de-tuned it a bit to Quell some of the high boost & torque issues at lower throttle positions to make it a bit easier to drive . Those were some good old days with minimal intrusion from our EPA & government. Wish we could somehow go back again ……🤔🤨😐
@jasnap1
Жыл бұрын
@@alvin6145 youcan have any engine tuned to any HP. I bet you dont even drive. or thats all you do.
@jasnap1
Жыл бұрын
@@alvin6145 seems you like to be a keyboard warrior. You obviously don't have a clue. In my line of trucking. off highway, High Mountain oversize load logging, you learn everything you can can about your ride and rigging and you get as much hp as you can because lf you can't pull a hill with a gross of 85000kg you can end up being your last load. But I bet highway princess like you wouldn't understand why we want 550- 600hp. Keep your mouth shut if you don't know. Keyboard warrior.
@wormwoodfive398
Жыл бұрын
Rebuilt, flashed & she purrs
Thank You It Will be great to see this engine on Clases 8 trucks
I love Cats. There are still a few out there, and I'm always happy when I get to drive them. They're coming back. YES !
@hankclingingsmith8707
Жыл бұрын
Off road
Great example of commitment to sustainability
Can't wait to see this engine in the field. Looks amazing!
@locopaul1
Жыл бұрын
Will the engine work if I use mountain dew instead of oil?
@susbox5554
Жыл бұрын
@@locopaul1 yes
I am really impressed with this engine however, give me a good old 3406B over any of the “modern” electronically manipulated engines any and every day.
@petejohnson8397
Жыл бұрын
there will never be another internal combustion powerplant with a better ROI than a 3406b in a heavy truck, dt466c in medium duty, and 12v cummins (case actually) in a pickup. If you have it...KEEP IT
@tlr-nut7275
Жыл бұрын
@@petejohnson8397 The 3406b burned to much fuel to be a roi winner. I think a mid-90's Series-60 Detroit would be better. 7mpg, easy million miles between in-frams and they only cost about $10k for a complete in-frame rebuild. That's what I ran for 14 years('97 Freightliner with 470hp Detroit) and made alot more money than my friends with 3406b.
@thomaslynch9016
Жыл бұрын
No it didn't ppl just don't have the right combos My dad had a old school b and sipped fuel but everything wasn't stock
@elperrocovero
6 ай бұрын
Is that the best engines to work on, and better in fuel ?
Started with the venerable 1693 way back when. Literally ate the 350 Cummins going uphills.
Too bad Cat didn't come out with this technology to keep Cat engines in big rig trucks. Stage 5 approved!
Thank you
Cute. My 1LW 3406e has 2,506,000+ set at 600hp.
@david.drambareanu
Жыл бұрын
2WS36607 at 1.8 mil never open mine
@leelarson6392
Жыл бұрын
Also the last decent cat engine 😂
@12345anton6789
Жыл бұрын
3406 probably the best engine Cat ever made, it’s a legendary world wide
@petejohnson8397
Жыл бұрын
@@12345anton6789 nothing better
I wish Cat would get back into the truck engine business.
@Tchristman100
Жыл бұрын
Cat is at full capacity building off road equipment. Why would they want to get back into on road BS?
@davidwolff8903
Жыл бұрын
@Tom Christman why you ask? To make us happy. Get us away from the Red Cummins crap.
@christopherjones911
Жыл бұрын
There’s no need for it. Trucking is not what it used to be.
So with everything in the back of the engine it makes it harder to work on?
@typrus6377
Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. Depends on the application honestly. If they go OTR, you just know that Freightshaker and Intertrashional will make working on them infuriating. On machines though, it generally isn't a whole lot worse.
@Tchristman100
Жыл бұрын
Not on a cabover
@Magicman53112
Жыл бұрын
@@Tchristman100
@Magicman53112
Жыл бұрын
There are no need for COE any longer. What was the last one in this country, the Argosy?
@MRCATWRENCH
Жыл бұрын
They don’t build them to be worked on
A lot of us in the industry remember the last new engine, latest and greatest you put on the market . ACCERT! Mine made it 278 miles before coming apart. Had to nearly haul your ass to court to get replacement engine. NO THANK YOU!
@kb5019
Жыл бұрын
LMFAO thank you!! 😂
@johnburcaw8670
Жыл бұрын
My 06 nxs Cat has 1.2 mil and still going strong with no rebuild.
So correct me if I didn't hear this right...a pump stack built as a single unit is moving all 3 engine fluids??? Sounds like an easy way to mix all of them. I'd much rather chase leaks than have some Frankenstein pump that's gonna be backordered till they come out with a replacement model again.
@markm0000
Жыл бұрын
I genuinely thought this was for April fools but they’re being serious.
Can I put the motor in the peterbilt 385 i m glad to saw 2008 I got c-13
Caterpillar is a great product but anything you have something new you really need to see just how good it is also I don't understand the gears in the back of the engine how do you work on it if it needs repairs?
No black smoke no party 🎉
Basically a compressor on top coded for dpf 🤘🤘🤘
Will it be an on the highway model a.k.a. over the road
This particular engine in a high-way truck. Would be a mechanics nightmare. It might be a high performer. But having the gear train up against a fire wall? 😬
@acdcrulez91
Жыл бұрын
Right?
@Jwaldrep5460
Жыл бұрын
just about all the engines in trucks now have a rear gear train
@chalinp4886
Жыл бұрын
Someone works on dd13 ,15 ,16 engines
@zx6rkawi09
Жыл бұрын
Yeah and on mack if you tear up a air compressor gear its like 26k to fix it. Got to pull transmission. They make nothing on the truck and they rape you in the shop
I'm wondering what the reliability of that small engine is going to be In something big like a 631 scraper
Are they going to adapt them for boats?
all the fluids in one component hate to replace that component
Me and my series 60 series sitting here looking at eachother laughing are ass off
@callmetorreto5492
Жыл бұрын
I swear to God, the only reason they quit making them was because they weren’t selling enough parts lol 😂😂 best Detriot of my generation I never got to work on the 2 strokes tho
@fil1329
Жыл бұрын
Dam straight Hold on to it as long as u can Simple and reliable Yet affordable
So what about service life and rebuild ability???..does the engine have sleeves or is it a Bic lighter and you throw it away when it’s time and drop in a new one???
@roballan4944
Жыл бұрын
Everything. Larger then the 3116 has liners. It's all repairable. I guess the big question is if they finally dropped he spacer plate setup.
@MrMan5014
Жыл бұрын
I saw another video on this engine and it showed it with the head off and I could see the liners but I couldn’t tell if it had a spacer plate…bigger cat engines have had them for a long time…not sure if they would drop it or not…🤔
@ianloy1854
Жыл бұрын
@@roballan4944 3126/C7 to be pedantic. Re the spacer plate the 3176/C-12/C13 have all had mid supported liners that is the step in the liner is about halfway down the stroke to give better support. The 3176 had a spacer deck that filled that space - but if you didn't keep glycol well above 30% it could get cavitated away - this was replaced by iron with the C-12 as casting technology had improved so that the weight penalty was no longer significant. The C-12 was Cat's most reliable on-highway engine - at least in Australia, bar none.
I have a kw with c-13, I would like to up grade to something like this if it will give me better mileage and power
Oh, look a variable, geometry turbo. What could go wrong?
@ianloy1854
Жыл бұрын
Cat has stayed away from them for 15 years on this size engine, in that time there has been lots of development to get them reliable unlike the first versions.
Followed by failure to ignite, low def pressure, high soot loading, spalling cam lobes, abnormal update rate fault codes, failed Nox sensors and now hydraulic lifters........for those customers on the zero or extended maitenance plan🤣🤣🤣🤣 fuck I love my job, Cat, I personally want to thank you for funding my new truck and toys and various hunting trips thanks to these beauties. Interesting note, these will be shipped overseas with zero emissions and 3x as reliable with more hp and tq and a drastic improvement in fuel efficiency, lets make America great again.
@callmetorreto5492
Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have said it any better myself
@fil1329
Жыл бұрын
Sadly true But hey the democrats think that this emissions bs will change the world.... A d the there us China polluting way more than many countries combined
I hope it will become a part of the Road Transport Industry again. It is a disgrace, how this Iconic brand has been shut out of the most important Industry World Wide.
It it wet sleeved engine?
Good I hope!!!!
A 13 litre engine produces up to 690 hp this I got to see and what about the torque?
@ianloy1854
Жыл бұрын
max torque is 2360 lb ft @ 1300. Cat used to race C-12 engines in Europe and Australia - they reached ~1500hp and 3000 lbft with main components only lightened (crank) for response. The bottom end was AWESOME. The one in Australia was kept at around 1200 hp as it didn't need to be babied at all, called old reliable. Just roll up to practice bring the truck and go for it.
Does this connect to the soviet truck gearbox that is so Common in former soviet satellite countries , because their engines are coming to the end of their lives but not their gearboxes and differential. Massive market for caterpillar
Can you put this engine in a mack
Where are the parts sourced,and where is it assembled
@MRCATWRENCH
Жыл бұрын
That’s a good question
@bobherman3292
Жыл бұрын
I'm betting China
@ianloy1854
Жыл бұрын
C9 to C18 are assembled in Seguin Texas (near San Antonio).
@daleolson3506
Жыл бұрын
@@ianloy1854 where do the parts come from to assemble them?
@ianloy1854
Жыл бұрын
@@daleolson3506 From all over I am sure including China. I can't remember the supplier countries when I did a factory tour not so long ago. Many are from the USA, Cat has a component facility also near San Antonio for these engines.
Cat has always been the best moters ever!!!!!!!
I remember buying a c4.4 14 years ago for $45,000. It was configured as a marine generator. It worked great for a little while and then turned into a huge nightmare. Until today, no one knows how to tighten the cylinder head. Think twice before buying a new CAT product. They are known to suck
I’m a dealer field tech. We’ll see how this goes.
Hope to see this engines fits in otr trucks
I want to see KT3406E's opinion on this engine.
I only want one to put in my truck!
@shanechambers3503
Жыл бұрын
😂me as well only need 1
@bobherman3292
Жыл бұрын
Be careful what you wish for. I would give them ten years before trying. Let someone else pioneer the headaches.
Can this be put in a truck?
We switched out our long time proven CAT for a newer, electronic CAT and wow.. what a lot of problems. They left us with a troubleshooting device that was not fully unlocked and could not diagnose a faulty cam position sensor. New engine, less than 6 months old in a stationary location, only used for Emergency generator use and it wouldn't run due to a faulty cam sensor. As an industrial electronics tech with many years experience, I was unimpressed with the entire unit.
@Jimmyxsx
Жыл бұрын
Thats why CAT 3406 is still king💪💪
where is the EGR I do not see one on that engine unless is some weird internal EGR inside the head?
@Mikheno
Жыл бұрын
There's no EGR on this engine.
@typrus6377
Жыл бұрын
DEF addresses the same thing. They're moving away from NRS/EGR and letting the DEF take care of it.
@esaucl
Жыл бұрын
@@typrus6377 that's amazing are there new engines like this? even the x15 has an EGR all other newer engines have it and honestly I think the EGR is the biggest pain to deal with on modern engines, just this alone makes me want to have something with this engine. I'm surprised it's not a selling point on their brochure.
@typrus6377
Жыл бұрын
@esaucl That C9.3B in the background of the video doesn't have EGR/NRS. And those have been being installed for a couple of years now in equipment. I've put hands on several units that are that way.
@esaucl
Жыл бұрын
@@typrus6377 is this mainly for off highway applications?
I will keep my C-15
Does this mean we can put CAT's back in our OTR trucks?
@shakiepete7782
Жыл бұрын
Probably not worth it. But that's just me.
@probiethetank8825
Жыл бұрын
@@shakiepete7782 I’d risk it for a biscuit…
@terrydavis174
Жыл бұрын
No! Why do you say that ?
@orlandomoreno5326
Жыл бұрын
The thing is, every trucker knows that there aint nothing like a Yellow Engine 😎. Thats why Cumaparts havent ever actually replaces them. Heck, those Red Cumaparts cant even comparw to the most reliable engine close to the old CATs , the Detroit Series 60, the most popular engine right now for Owner Ops
@cavscout62
Жыл бұрын
No.
Tier5 but breather tube goes straight to ground. Seems odd
@outdoor044
Жыл бұрын
Some of the larger engines don't require crank case fumes ventilation per EPA or EU. It also possible they went to a filter inside the valve cover like the 3.6L but I doubt it.
@ianloy1854
Жыл бұрын
@@outdoor044 You are correct about the filter as the emissions from the breather are measured as part of the exhaust and that now includes both a mass AND a particle count requirement so you can't afford to NOT have it VERY well filtered. Alternative is to put it into the engine, Cat has never liked putting anything other than clean air into the engines. '04 ACERT avoided EGR. '07 ACERT brought exhaust in AFTER the DPFs (and a whole lot of other issues as it turned out). EGR was done when required on the earthmoving side as it was preferable at the beginning to requiring AdBlue/DEF, Cat equipment can be in some incredibly remote locations.
Where are the oil filters fuel.?….
What’s next? Discontinuing the c15? Phasing out the 3500 series? Any other genius moves?
@DavidTyree24
7 ай бұрын
This is taking the c15 and c18 spot. They are being discontinued.
👌👌👌👌
Now you will have to remove the whole engine just to replace those leaky gear gaskets, cause now they are on the back! And they are proud of that new design. Lol. I hope it's not that way. That could get pretty darn expensive at a repair shop
😎 how much $$$$ is a module ???
I hope there is a mechanical version of this engine
Which trucks will these engines be in?
@V8Lenny
Жыл бұрын
None.
@Bill-sp8kb
Жыл бұрын
This is possibly an industrial, and maybe a marine engine.
@terrydavis174
Жыл бұрын
Who said anything about this going into a truck ????. Not cat .
@HJZ75driver
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely none. All off highway
@surlyogre1476
Жыл бұрын
@@HJZ75driver Yup, that's the way I heard it. Industrial, or other off-road applications only.
Make Peterbilt Great Again!!!!!
@PaulMcLove
Жыл бұрын
‼I like your style 👍😉😀
It's pretty obvious this is not going in a truck with that configuration - this is intended for equipment application and you either take off the rear panels or take the engine out to repair it.
@user-ln7of9gs4s
Жыл бұрын
How often are people changing gears on the gear train? I think you’re being a little ridiculous. This ain’t a car with a timing belt in the rear gear training needing replacement every 100k miles.
Look forward to seeing it after 1,000,000 miles with a comprehensive maintenance history.
Isn't the c-series owned by international now?
@ianloy1854
Жыл бұрын
No - all Cat
Keep in mind that this is for OFF HIGHWAY use only. You won’t see it in a Peterbilt over the road. Cat IS offering new castings of the old engines (with a core trade-in of similar era - year and electronics, and it can be a Cat for X or Cummins/Detroit for X+). Looking forward to new blocks (and hopefully other vital parts being made available).
@bobbylongtoes
Жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4h4u7WMppucYMo.html or will you?
@pdmustgtd1013
Жыл бұрын
Most don't understand this at all. Just had co-worker say CAT bring out new engine for trucks. Shows me pictures of this engine LOL.
This build configuration is a paccar engine printed yellow😮
@youtubeisawesome2487
Жыл бұрын
you might want to look again, the daf mx engine is different in every way
@elroyelblander6277
Жыл бұрын
Or perhaps an MAN engine?
@HJZ75driver
Жыл бұрын
No it’s not. Most definitely CAT
Sencers are the Achilles hill of all diesel engines.
CAT engines is back from the ashes
I will put this one in my truck
The European engines have had rear gear trains for years and since the trucks are cab overs that makes sense. Even in an off road application you mean to tell me it’s going to be easier to pull an engine for a camshaft change than to pull a radiator? He says less vibration I say doubtful and by how much. John Deere has done the same thing with their new engines, so we will see. Unfortunately these engineers never work on or repair these things so that isn’t included in their rational thought. A good running cat engine in a highway truck again would be a hot item.
My boss is more than willing to take a crack at reprogramming this engine for on road use if anyone tries to do an engine swap in a truck. The emission standards and rules on the books are about the same for off-road to on-road applications anymore.
Oh that Cat rep had a shit fit when I touched their plastic engine at con expo
There’s no replacement for cubic displacement. Hope it proves itself.
I do not understand is why this engine is called cat when it’s Mitsubishi?
Make one for my 1 ton
So many more things to go wrong...great!
So it’s a paccar mx13 painted yellow
Can I put this in my Pete
Big bore mean more torque which moves the wheels or gets work done, not seeing with this little 13 liter C13D with high horsepower kiddie bs. Going backwards with the cheap plastic filter housing would be removed and adapted by my standards to multi- spin on steel filter assembly. Then the camshaft would be a pain in the ass removing from the rear of the engine like a Paccrap engine. Have to remove the engine from truck or equipment to gain access. Then the variable turbos always breaks compare to just one standard turbo. I probably let it sit on the shelf in the Cat dealer and stay with my 3406 style engine.
Does D mean Deutz ?
@V8Lenny
Жыл бұрын
@a man their marine engines come from Fiat so I thought they have finally realised that they cant built engines and it is better to buy them outside. Deutz has hydraulic lifters.
@typrus6377
Жыл бұрын
@@V8Lenny Cat haven't made their own engine smaller than the 9.3L in years. Now, they did recently release their own 3.something to replace the 4.4, but we'll see if it's worth a lick.... They have Fiat, Deutz, Perkins, and Kubota engines in their smaller line, painted yellow.
@V8Lenny
Жыл бұрын
@@typrus6377 C12.9 is also Fiat
@typrus6377
Жыл бұрын
@@V8Lenny I've never been on the marine side, only land. I had until now never even heard of that engine. Interesting.
@anthonyhunt561
Жыл бұрын
C13 blow up every day, C11 same engine less hp last for ever. C13 fire breather, is too expensive to rebuild, I hope they have plenty of crankshafts in stock this will throw a leg out of bed everyday.
He didnt let the cat guy talk enough in my opinion
Literally no questions about serviceability of that fluid module; rebuild ability; or any other real actual questions, just gushing like you're a cat salesman on your knees. Service life on the DPF SCR combo? replacement costs? Fuel pump reliability given it's not flowing excess fuel?
Send me one and I will try it out in my boat 😂 I will tell you what it's made of
@russellking9762
Жыл бұрын
put it on the end of the anchor chain and put the anchor where the engine goes…you’d have better chance of making it home….gear train at the back…they can stick it up their ass!
It's a 1693 design rear gear train and I bet over head cam
Garage engine, gears in the rear just like Volvo, Detroit, Paccar and Maxipad Maxxforce
Hope you don't have a gear train failure because your pulling the trans or both to get to it,front drive is more accessible
Cant believe you guys got thirteen litres into that tiny package 😮
@1PITIFULDUDE
Жыл бұрын
DD16; hold my beer...
The only company can use it is International cuz they have a separate emission system
@HJZ75driver
Жыл бұрын
That is seperate
@rearspeaker6364
Жыл бұрын
international engines us a Cummins emission control system
Wish they would make a real diesel that has direct injection and ignition through compression and no DEF
Engine c13 diesel good
Man that guy was annoying lol never watching this channel again that salesman has more patience than me
@dethray1000
Жыл бұрын
he was a loud mouth fool--turned the volume down--heard him fart a couple of times though
But……is it an American made engine?
Need it on highway
Türkçe alt yazı lütfen!
C-18 is up to a 1000 horse, C13D @ 690 is 'all the power'?....riiiight.
@ianloy1854
Жыл бұрын
They said in some other vids the ONE turbo C-18 - as you say the C-18 can do more power.
Everyone else has had common rail engines since 2002... The rear structure PTO porting is the same as a 1995 cat d8r.. none of that is new. This cat engine looks like a half breed Isuzu/Perkins.
Give me a 3406b and im good we don’t need all the extra junk!! And yeah i said junk!!!
Same guy in video
The current C13 engines dont last at just over 425 hp. I cant imagine this is going to last any longer. Stay tuned for the endless service letters and bulletins just so they can make it to 10k hours.
Imagine the industrial espionage going on there………. China
@outdoor044
Жыл бұрын
I guess we don't have to worry about them stealing the emissions tech. They don't care.
@12345anton6789
Жыл бұрын
Cat and Cummins has already a large production in China and the info comes freely to China from both Cat and Cummins
What’s actually better though the newer cummins or the Cats? Like seriously
@lelandzim
Жыл бұрын
Cummins! Hands down!
@orlandomoreno5326
Жыл бұрын
CAT has always been better then cummins, Detroit Diesels are better too
@kb5019
Жыл бұрын
Both Cummins and Detroit are far better than cat... Cats are garbage
either way it goes Ima stick with to Cummins bcuz looks like they copied PACCAR engine.
I see electronic truck 🚚 need whiting is what I see 👀