In order to stop the inner dialogues is possible but for a limited time,without using any distractions.but in order to reach such goal one should question all ideas on which thoughts are based,but there is no guarantees that one success because the revelation would not come because you overcome your thoughts,but because thought ceases once one handles all thought's ramifications simultaneously then mind can not stand it any more and ceases all functionality,and suddenly mysterious thing happens which consist of weightless, timeless,no self state replace one's previous state of affairs but one does not itself as me but as darkness space empty of things but filled up by all possibilities and progiency as you, one is that and inversely ,a warm protected emptiness yet being fullness .No ward could possibly explain that state of affairs and no affairs,something weird happens in one psyche that all solutions reduces to one unic deep understanding it is so compact that it will takes several years to see haw deep it was, in one ward you know that thing are as they should ,what happens must happen it can not be otherwise so all inner struggle ceases pass crossed these possibilities and future will be the choices we make each instance .

@jagirkaur6216

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

You cannot stop thoughts anymore than you can stop the wind.

@eddyedwards6273

Ай бұрын

You can stop certain thoughts if you change your stimuli or your body energy

Q: How is it possible that the mind can go on producing thoughts constantly, and how can we stop that which we have not started? You cannot stop that which you have not started. Don’t try it, otherwise you will simply be wasting time, energy, life. You cannot stop the mind because you have not started it. You can simply watch, and in watching it stops. Not that you stop it: in watching it stops. The stopping is a function of watching, it is a consequence of watching. It is not that you stop it; there is no way to stop the mind. If you try to stop it, it will go faster; if you try to stop it, it will fight with you and create a thousand and one troubles for you. Never try to stop it. This is the truth: you have not started it, so who are you to stop it? It has come through your unawareness; it will go through your awareness. You have to do nothing to stop it except become more and more alert. Even the idea that one wants to stop the mind will be the barrier because you say, “Okay, now I will try to be aware so that I can stop it.” Then you miss the point. Then even your awareness will not be of much help because again the same idea is there how to stop it. Then after a few days of futile effort, futile because the idea is there, so it will not happen, you will come to me and you will say, “I have been trying to be aware, but the mind doesn’t stop.” It cannot be stopped; no method exists to stop it. But it stops! Not that you stop it; it stops by itself. You simply watch. In watching, you withdraw the energy that helps it to run. In watching, the energy goes into watching, and thinking automatically becomes feebler and feebler and feebler. Thoughts are there, but they become impotent because the energy is not available. They will move around you, half dead, but by and by more energy will be coming to the awareness. One day suddenly energy is no longer moving into thoughts. They have disappeared. They cannot exist without your energy. So please forget about stopping them. That is none of your business. And the second thing, you ask: “How is it possible that the mind can go on producing thoughts constantly?” It is just a natural process. Just like your heart goes on beating constantly, your mind goes on thinking constantly; just like your body goes on breathing constantly, your mind goes on thinking constantly; just like your blood goes on circulating constantly and your stomach goes on digesting continuously, the mind goes on thinking constantly. There is no problem in it; it is simple. But you are not identified with the blood circulation; you don’t think that you are circulating. In fact you are not even conscious that the blood circulates; it goes on circulating, you have nothing to do with it. The heart goes on beating; you don’t think that you are beating. With the mind the problem has arisen because you think that you are thinking; the mind has become a focus of identity. The identity just has to be broken. It is not that when the mind has stopped, then it will not think forever, no. It will think only when it is needed; it will not think when it is not needed. Thinking will be there, but now it will be natural: a response, a spontaneous activity, not an obsession. For example, you eat when you are hungry. But you can get obsessed and can go on eating the whole day. Then you will go mad; then you will commit suicide. You walk when you want to walk. When you want to go somewhere, then you move your legs. But if you go on moving your legs when you are sitting on the chair, people will think you are mad and that something has to be done to stop you. If you ask how to stop your legs from moving and if somebody says, “Stop them by holding them with your hands. Force them!” then you will be in even more trouble. The legs are moving and now the hands are also engaged, and your whole effort is how to stop them. Now your energy is fighting with itself. You have become identified with the mind, that’s all. It is natural because the mind is so close to you and you have to use the mind so much. One is constantly in the mind. It is as if a driver has been driving a car for years and has never been out of the car. He has forgotten that he can go out, that he is a driver. He has forgotten completely; he thinks that he himself is a car. He cannot go out because who is there to go out? He has forgotten how to open the door, or the door is completely blocked by not having been used for years. It has gathered rust, it cannot open easily. The driver has been in the car so much that he has become the car, that’s all. A misunderstanding has arisen. Now he cannot stop the car, because how is he to stop it? Who is going to stop it? You are just the driver of the mind. It is a mechanism around you, your consciousness goes on using it. But you have never been out of your head. That’s why I insist: drop a little out of the head, go to the heart. From the heart you will have a better perspective that the car is separate from you. Or, try to go out of the body. That too is possible. Out of the body you will be absolutely out of the car. You will be able to see that neither the body nor the heart nor the mind is you; you are separate. Right now, continue to remember only one thing: that you are separate. From everything that surrounds you, you are separate. The knower is not the known. Go on feeling it more and more so that it becomes a substantial crystallization in you that the knower is not the known. You know the thought, you see the thought how can you be the thought? You know the mind, how can you be the mind? Just drop away; a little distance is needed. One day, when you are really distant, thinking stops. When the driver is out, the car stops because there is nobody to drive it now. Then you will have a good laugh, seeing that it has just been a misunderstanding. Now, whenever you need it, think. You ask a question to me: I respond. The mind functions. I have to talk to you through the mind; there is no other way to talk. But when I am alone, the mind doesn’t function. The mind has not lost the capacity to function. In fact, it has gained more capacity to function and to function rightly. Because it is not functioning constantly, it gathers energy; it becomes more clear. So ‘when the mind stops’ does not mean that you will not be able to think again. In fact, only after that will you be able to think for the first time. Just to be engaged in relevantly irrelevant thoughts is not thinking. It is a mad sort of thing. To be clear, clean, innocent, is to be on the right path for thinking. Then when a problem arises you are not confused; you don’t look at the problem through prejudices. You look directly at it, and in that direct look the problem starts melting. If the problem is a problem, it will melt and disappear. If the problem is not a problem but a mystery, it will melt and deepen. Then you will be able to see what is a problem. A problem is that which can be solved by the mind; a mystery is that which cannot be solved by the mind. A mystery has to be lived; a problem has to be solved. But when you are too much in your thoughts, you cannot know what is a mystery and what is a problem. Sometimes you take a mystery as a problem. Then your whole life you struggle and it is never solved. And sometimes you think of a problem as a mystery and you foolishly wait: it could have been solved. A clarity, a perspective, is needed. When thinking this constant inner chattering and inner talk stops, and you have become alert and aware, you are capable of seeing things as they are, you are capable of finding solutions and you are also capable of knowing what is a mystery. And when you come to feel that something is a mystery, you feel reverence, you feel awe. That is the religious quality of being. To feel reverence is to be religious; to feel awe is to be religious. To be so deeply in wonder that you have again become a child is to enter into the kingdom of God."

Once in San Francisco I walked on a crowed street for 10 minutes without a single thought in my mind That was heaven IMO Castaneda is a con man and Gurdjieff is an enlightened one

Thank you for this

it is possible under special circumstances.

at the train station in st. petersburg i think that was true.

... as a German Biologist - this is Genetic and the Conditioning of PAIN - REWARD Patterns in the Auto Pilot inaccessible ... REWARD hyper trophy can be an emotional Tumor... It takes many months of Monk Mode to de Condition and clear the Auto Pilot and not sense PAIN any more no matter how difficult a challenge is I found this by intense endurance training for Mara thon and tri Athlon to train to ignore discomfort in BAD conditions and find Comrades who go that same path Excellent business $$$ to push Mind Opiates$$$ to dummies and addicts of all sorts $$$$$

@roberto125919

2 ай бұрын

Lmfao ego love money!

internal monologue wood bee a better wod? has any one ever answered themselves? no reply just I and I..

it's not that important.

cannot be stopped; no method exists to stop it. UNQUOTE IT is referring to internal ????? dialogue? There is no such thing? Gestalt therapists direct an internal dialogue to give an ah-ha experience to their clients. Internal MONologue would be more correct use of language? It cant be stopped? Some people don’t have an obsessive internal monologue, they are usually less intellectual and more mechanically or instinctive centred. An example might be someone working as a plasterer (improver) with a load of material and a time constraint, combined with the skill of plastering. This person probably has very little internal monolog or dialog apart from the odd instruction "more water". On the other hand a very experienced (no learning curve) plasterer might have more space for distraction..a chat.... multi tasking.... like a dialogue while driving a car.. Is he in nirvana ,the plasterer free of internal monologue as he is totally occupied in his task, has he reached the ultimate human state aspired to by G. students? Flat chance! kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIai1sSBctfcesY.html