A person should have to pass an IQ test before serving on a murder trial.

@take1994

4 жыл бұрын

They do, those with average or better intelligence get out of it. People on juries are either morons or government employees that are both bored and lonely or both. People with jobs not related to any form of public govt services can’t afford to serve on a jury long term. If you want some idea of what kind of rocket scientists can’t manage to get past the first phase, just search the potential juror in this case that was held in contempt. He has trouble tying his shoes, I promise. But even HE found an out for $450.

@cyberspelunker1980

4 жыл бұрын

Take #19 So true. Only the low IQ low paid actually get in to serve. We need to fix this system.

@darkwillow57

3 жыл бұрын

I don't even know if having 12 random people off the street make decisions like this is a good idea. It might be better to have experts in law, crime, forensic science, and related fields. Professional juries, if you will. Both sides spent millions of dollars to have experts testify and most likely the jury didn't understand 10% of it. I'm not even saying the jury was wrong here. I think it's debatable. Casey obviously did something bad and wrong but the State couldn't really paint a solid picture of what happened .

@OrdinaryG33K-SF

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkwillow57 I think the jury was ABSOLUTELY wrong here. Like “How could ANYONE have gotten it SO wrong?”! I think you’re onto something with the professional juries idea, though. This jury clearly didn’t understand reasonable doubt, and circumstantial evidence, and as such, came out with an absolutely RIDICULOUS verdict. It’s an outrage TO THIS DAY!

@jaxstax2406

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkwillow57 if you think the state couldn't give a solid picture of what happened then you are one of the people that shouldn't ever be a juror. The case was very easy to follow. There was no point in the entire investigation that casey anthony told the truth and she never expressed concern for her child's well-being - strike one. The day of the murder she searched up fool proof suffocation, she started partying non stop while her kid was missing, she never contacted police until she was forced to by her mother after 31 days of killing her daughter - strike two. The body was found 1 mile away from her house, there were diary entries of her feeling better dated right after the murder, and she was the last person to be seen with her daughter - strike three. There's something in the water in Florida for her to get away with what what she got away with. I guess all you need to get away with murder in Florida is to be a white female and dump the body in a swamp because no amount of evidence is going to incriminate you.

I think this jury misunderstood the concept of reasonable doubt.

@darkwillow57

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not even sure I understand what reasonable doubt is. It's such an imprecise and fuzzy term. And when they try to explain it they just use other fuzzy words. To me what is reasonable might not be to someone else.

@Raiddd__

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkwillow57 well they have to prove BEYOND a reasonable doubt. So if you have a gods honest reasonable doubt in your mind after hearing both sides of the case, they have not proven what they set out to prove to you. That simple.

@shaheena.3803

2 жыл бұрын

@@darkwillow57 one of the ways they teach it to you in law school is with this scenario: you were going to bed and before you went to bed you noticed rain clouds in the sky, next morning you wake up and see that everything outside is wet. The reasonable assumption would be that it rained. It’s “possible” that somebody took a hose and sprayed everything in your neighborhood with water and it didn’t rain which would count as a doubt but it’s not reasonable to believe that happened. The reasonable belief would be that it rained and there are no reasonable doubts that disprove that it rained because every other scenario is asinine and the evidence, eg rain clouds and weather, points to rain.

“The tape on her mouth was the tape found in the Anthony house,” but she’s not guilty. WTF?!

If these people are so proud of their verdict then they should show themselves.

@jenndob3865

Жыл бұрын

Yes!!!! Show yourself pussy!!! Big mistake!!

Our justice system seriously failed little Caylee. This jury makes me sick. This juror is a total idiot & I hope he realizes he let a baby killer walk free...how does this guy sleep at night.

Gosh, this STILL makes me mad four years later.

@zoemarae2330

5 жыл бұрын

Hhaze 7 years later, still mad.

@Toohot2handle758

4 жыл бұрын

Hhaze I’m STILL MAD

@qu33nb65

3 жыл бұрын

Still furious years later!!!

@AngelusaNobilis

3 жыл бұрын

2021. Still mad af

@OrdinaryG33K-SF

3 жыл бұрын

I’m still FURIOUS nearly TEN years later!!!

This still bothers me after all these years! Why do you care how the duct tape was on the child's face? Really? The reason is that it was on there and why. omg! The jurors were all idiots!

You have GOT to be kidding me..After listening to him talk..I am convinced they thought WAY too hard about this..Its common sense...why would there be TAPE on a mouth? Der.

There is something we call "common sense". You need to have this to be a jury foreman. Obviously something this man is poorly lacking.... Dont like him AT ALL. They failed HUGE.

@JD-on1eu

3 жыл бұрын

Look like to me that justice doesn't allow common sence as you call it. When you are a juror, you are : - resquested to stay silent during the trial. So not questions possible to the parties - not allowed to change or comment any questions in the verdict - not allowed to suggest any other answer than the ones provided with the questions related to the verdict.

He said the defense's opening statement was an "Eye opening and they started throwing out things we did not know"! That's because it wasn't true, it was unfounded and you were instructed to disregard it! Why are they getting away with this?!!!!

@take1994

4 жыл бұрын

He just answered your question. They’re morons that were easily distracted.

So essentially they found her innocent because something could be a coincidence. How many coincidences do you think one person can have in one scenario? Give me a break! Everything Greta asked him he said well it could’ve been this way or it could’ve been that way. Come on!!! The sheer fact that a mother does not report her child missing for 31 days tells you everything you need to know! Add in the duct tape and to me it’s open and shut! Good grief!

I'd have found her guilty based simply on her lawyer's arguments. If you can't defend, you deflect, and that's exactly what he did.

You don’t need cause of death for a guilty verdict!!!!! WTF!!!

@marsharowaihy6725

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, a lot cases don’t have the motive or cause of death for the defendant to be considered guilty!

@hiwall4883

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps not in a normal trial, but you would need more than circumstancial evidence for death penalty.

Duct tape stuck to a 2 1/2 child's hair, and Mom is NOT GUILTY. OK, then, well someone killed this child.

@take1994

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t think anyone really thinks otherwise. But these idiots would tell you it doesn’t mean the person charged did it...and they’d be right. Unfortunately that’s all they’re right about. It doesn’t mean she had to have killed her, she just did.

I'm so angry. I watched this whole trial and there was enough evidence presented to convict this woman. These people just UGH!!!!!! I can't believe they let her go on EVERYTHING!

I feel sorry for these jurors, they have to live their lives knowing that they failed miserably and freed a child murderer.

@cyberspelunker1980

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t feel bad for them. You reap what you sow.

@JD-on1eu

3 жыл бұрын

Jurors didn’t failed. They were asked to answer uncomplete questions with a bad range of possible answers. Jurors have no right to correct the questions from the court and have no right to add any comment in the answer. Main question was only about first degree murder. Why did the prosecution decide to put the charge for second degree out of the table ? Why the only possible answers were guilty or not guilty instead of yes/no ? For me the justice system failed to ask the right questions and also failed to provide the good tools to each jurors.

@neojon4871

3 жыл бұрын

actually, they thought they did a good job.

@AlexKS1992

2 жыл бұрын

The prosecution should face punishment. It’s their job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant(s) is guilty and they didn’t. Don’t blame the jury blame the state government for losing.

@jumboshrimp5193

2 жыл бұрын

Theyre too stupid to reflect critically. 😆

The jury process should be abolished! It is and always has been ridiculous! It has caused so much suffering! Idiots with no legal education should not be in charge of people’s fates. A judge (2 or more even) should do it because they know the laws!

I agree with Wayne, 12 incredibly ignorant people

Guilty people get off, innocent people get charged. Don't know when that will ever stop happening..

@charleneevans96

4 жыл бұрын

As long as we have jury members like these the guilty will get off; Dr G, said there were 3 layers of duct tape on her mouth. Casey got away with murder.

The jury failed Caylee pitifully. I watched the entire trial and recall very well that it was daily reported these good for nothings did not take notes, listened with feigned interest. They failed that baby......wonder how they sleep at night.

Casey said Caylee drowned so why would the duct tape be placed on the nose and mouth. She just lied these jurors just could not do what needed to be done

She was never in the pool, it was a lame lie they made up last minute that worked. Casey is SO guilty.

Yeah the "Brain Dead" jury!

So this juror didnt take the case seriously to begin with? Didnt take it serious when the prosecutor presented evidence of murder of a child? Geez! What hope is there?

This guy makes no sense

In a perfect world.. 911 whats your emergency? Help, theres people outside with signs, yelling, trying to break in my house... trying to kill me! Ma'am stay calm, whats your name? Casey Anthony.. Okay Miss Anthoney we'll have help on the way in 31 days!!

For cases like this, the judge should be the one to decide the verdict. 12 strangers and idiots like these should never be made responsible for deciding.

IQ tests should be mandatory to be on a jury

The foreman sounds like he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about. Someone was bought out in this case.

Total fool he is.

He knows he did wrong when he has to hide his identity...

@voluntarism335

2 жыл бұрын

His decision is unpopular but not wrong

@dumbidiot973

2 жыл бұрын

@@voluntarism335 it is wrong

@voluntarism335

2 жыл бұрын

@@dumbidiot973 no it's not

Disgusting! If nothing else she should be in prison for not reporting that baby missing for 31 days

“As far as her lying, there are people that may look into that but That’s not something that we considered much”. Youre the jury foreman numb nuts. I’ve served on a jury and i’d have been arguing with this dummy for as long as it took.

Jurors Are guilty as that ducking birch.

He keeps saying speculation but he should have based decision on the FACTS!! There was plenty of evidence and FACTS showing she killed her child...all these years later it still pisses me off and I pray these jurors never have something like this happen to someone they know or love

@lexiemaep7930

3 жыл бұрын

I pray it does

The jury of the Anthony should serve at least five years in prison!

The duct tape is what gets me! The lady that preformed the autopsy said it was originally on her mouth

Karma has a way of finding people like this. They let a cold blooded killer go!!!

Who the hell covers up an accidental death and then goes about their business like nothing is wrong? That does not make any sense at all. How could this jury be so thick minded? She obviously killed her kid, covered it up, and went out to party.

@Polisciandfries

3 жыл бұрын

Theyre not allowed to speculate unfortunately. They need proper evidence.

@tuesdayismoney

3 жыл бұрын

@@Polisciandfries Good gawd...that's what a trial is! GTFOH there was plenty of evidence.

@Polisciandfries

3 жыл бұрын

@@tuesdayismoney no thats the point 🙈 you and i can speculate, but the jury can't babes thats the law

These jurors would still nit have convicted casey even if they saw a movie of the whole ordeal. that's how dim they seem

Even the judge was shocked with their verdict, he had to read twice the verdict to make sure he wasnt making a mistake, I cant believe how dumb can people be omg "not guilty" wtf

The foreman clearly had a crush on Casey as did the attorney that's why she got off.

He openly admits it was Anthonys Duct Tape. What did I hear? If I ever killed anyone. I would love this Jury.

i say the jurors are just as guilty as casey

Casey is still laughing and sleeping well at night.

Thank you for posting this video--I was sorry I missed it. IMO, this jury was in a rush to get their job done and didn't pay much attention to a lot of evidence. The reports are that there was very little note taking and there wasn't a single request to go over evidence. Instead of 12 angry men (movie) we got 12 easy going jurors. Of the two who voted guilty the first time, where was their passion to at least make their case? It seems like the two who voted guilty just went along right away.

This is why jurors need to be thoroughly and properly instructed. The first reason given for the not guilty verdict is that the prosecution couldn’t show them precisely how Caylee died. That is not necessary to prove. The death was ruled a homicide. It is not necessary for the prosecution to prove exactly how the homicide occurred. They only needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey committed the murder. And they did that. No reasonable person would conclude, after hearing all the evidence, that Casey Anthony did not kill her daughter. The precise method and circumstance is not important. There’s no way to ever prove that. If the prosecution always had to prove precisely how a murder occurred, no one would ever go away for murder. A juror needs to look at the preponderance of evidence. There is never a 100% guarantee that a guilty verdict is correct. But when you find yourself thinking of all the crazy coincidences, the insane explanations and unbelievable hypotheticals that would have to be true for a person to be innocent, you should be seriously considering a guilty verdict. That is the point of circumstantial evidence. If there is enough of it, any reasonable person would conclude the person is guilty even while lacking something like a literal video of the murder. In order for Casey to be innocent, what would have to be true? Firstly, she had some kind of traumatic past or brain disorder that causes her to constantly lie, even about things she’s innocent of. So, she’s not lying to cover up something horrible she did, she’s lying cause she just can’t help it. Secondly, she is in some kind of deep denial brought on by the trauma of losing her daughter which is causing her to act absolutely thrilled. So, she’s not partying and writing about how happy she is because she’s actually glad Caylee is gone, she’s doing it because she’s so deeply unhappy and traumatized deep down and this is how she copes. Thirdly, the computer searches about “foolproof suffocation” and chloroform, made while no one else was home and between Casey logging into her own social media and email accounts, were totally innocent and coincidental. Fifth, her not calling the cops, ever, was not to protect herself or avoid responsibility for anything, but was actually part of her strange way of coping with her daughter’s death. I could go on and on. One of these things might be an unlucky coincidence, but put them all together, and you would have to be an absolute imbecile to find Casey not guilty. And maybe the jurors are all imbeciles. Who knows. Here’s something I’m sure of: If Casey Anthony were unattractive, black, and/or male, she’d be imprison right now. This jury didn’t know what they were doing. They did not deliberate long enough. They were not properly instructed. And they failed that little girl. They failed her terribly and a child killer walks free among us.

the public gets its misconception about circumstantial evidence. the fact that a case is circumstantial does not mean that it is weak. tt simply means that jurors must weigh the evidence and take the second step of reaching an independent conclusion. circumstantial evidence is nothing more than what we live by on a daily basis as a matter of common sense

He thought the duct tape came from the garage bag not her face! They got just stupid.

Just wondering: did the jury members get paid off for their decisions? Heartless? Something is wrong and sick about these jury members. I would hide my face too as well as my name. Sleep Well.

@emilyrainey4468

3 жыл бұрын

They should have had a second trial because I heard some of the jury leaked information. Everyone knows she did it.

he sounds happy because he got paid to lie

I just need to let this case go

Was this the guy who had a vacation the weekend following the verdict?

@cyberspelunker1980

4 жыл бұрын

yes

He says it was tough. Wonder how he sleeps at night along with the other 11 who failed Caylee. They allowed a guilty woman to walk free. I still cannot comprehend where these jurors heads were.

floridians representing florida pretty weak

The defense lied

There's always that one person who claims fame to any situation....he's the one here. By being outspoken he took advantage of folks that didn't have the courage to come forward....but I have to say only in Florida would she be found innocent...I lived all my life in a different part of the US but moved to Florida for 2 years...never in 2 years did I meet a "normal" person in Florida...they march to a different drum...here's your proof...something that should've been an open and shut case became an anomoly... I'm a scientist. .the evidence was overwhelmingly significant...but, these morons with no education let her go. ..total disgrace!!!

All 12 of you people should be ashamed of yourself of letting a killer go free.

There wasn't enough chloroform in the car for this guy. Just in the trunk. Not on the wheel or anywhere else. Ridiculous.

i think the law should REQUIRE that your IQ be AT LEAST in the triple digits before you become a candidate for jury duty. My highschool GPA is higher than each and every one of the juror's IQ's.... PUT TOGETHER. The law fails.

I wouldn't want my name given or my picture exposed in any venue if I were part of THIS jury. The decision they made (I am basing this statement on the evidence presented by the prosecution), is a travesty. These guys didn't ask to re-look at any evidence from the trial before handing down the verdict. If I am a member of that jury, I am going "I am tired. Let's get this verdict in and go home". What a shame on our legal system. A true example of failure in our system.

The real thing that bothers me about these jurors is that they're basically saying we know better than the police and investigators. If George was in any way involved, why wasn't he charged? The entire family was investigated and all the "evidence" pointed to Casey! George was not on trial. The bottom line is that these people lack critical thinking skills.

Still outraged by this inept jury. How do they sleep at night? They never took notes and obviously did a terrible job with such an important job as serving as a juror. They have to live with this the rest of their miserable lives. These jurors did not serve as they should have.

YES HE SHOULD HIDE HIS FACE AND NAME...SEEMS LIKE HE IS QUITE SMART AFTER ALL...SURE SHOULD HAVE SHOWN SOME OF THOSE SMARTS DECIDING THE VERDICT!

So many disfunctions this. Caylee killed herself in her parents pool? How do you explain no phone calls to police, mother's calls to police 30 days later and mom going out and partying? If you needed DNA on bones, an eyewitness and an exact explanatiion from a prosecutor to get a murder conviction, there would be about 10 people on death row in this country. Jurors in this case were not looking for reasonable doubt, they were looking for any doubt, as evidenced by your rediculous statement.

These jurors are hilariously dumb. What else did they need? A video of her doing it and flashing her driver's license??

After listening to him speak, now I understand why Casey is walking free. This was the forman people, that says a lot of the rest of the jurors involved in this. Caylee never stood a chance to get the justice she so much deserved, She was murdered by the one person who was supposed to have protected and loved her the most, and now in death her hope for justice was denied because this man was chosen to lead others like him to decide. There was never any hope for justice for this child.

Something happens in jury deliberations like this that social psychologists need to study and work with the justice system to identify and remove. Wether it’s an aspect of an individuals’ psychology or an aspect of group/ social psychology, it needs to be identified and removed.

Yes. He says anndd every second word. Quite dumb.

the point of the justice system is to have average thinking jurors! can go both ways

These jurors are IDIOTS!! I seen and heard everything they did, and I UNDERSTOOD & GOT EVERYTHING!! Casey is GUILTY..END OF STORY!!

How is it people get convicted of murder without even a body???

These jurors were just as naive and blind as Cindy Anthony

Cause of death is NOT NECESSARY in a trial such as this. The jury was amazingly ignorant of the law and as a result, a murderer walked. Casey must know how lucky she was to get 12 very dumb people to serve on her jury.

You people expect prosecutors to present cases without any doubt but that's not the law. Cases must be proven to the standard of "no reasonable doubt". No case can be proven beyond any doubt without a clear confession and/or a video of the crime. In this case, how is it possible to say that there is reasonable doubt that Casey Anthony had something to do with the death of her daughter?

I know if my child had just drowned, I'd let someone dump her body in the woods and I'd go out partying, oh and get a tattoo...makes perfect sense. o.O

These jurors did not understand the reasonable doubt clause. They simply showed lack of common sense.

What did the Jury want exactly? A video of the murder?

Not sure which is worse going out and partying knowing that you killed your child or going out and partying knowing you child is in danger and missing.

OMG, how shameful! These people do not have the IQ to sit on a jury.

Hide your face, damn it. I bet casey just loves this

I just couldn’t watch this video ‘till the end because I have this phobic against small brain idiots, that I can’t even watch a comedy with idiots on it....I guess they look for all this jury in a DUMB AND DUMBERS CLUB...

Posing a scenario here..could it be possible that Casey gave Caylee a dose of chloroform the night before (to go out)& gave 2 much that Caylee had a "hangover" effect the next day. Then George gets up the next morning & takes Caylee to the pool but has no idea about the chloroform.George turns his back in the pool for a few moments and Caylee drowns (groggy and drugged still from chloroform). Each one blamed the other for her death...they both freaked out and the lying began.

@poeticdevastation because a two year old is dead, thats why everyone cares! what kind of ridiculous question is that?!

12 people that were too stupid to get out of jury duty!!!!

OMG. He was actually expecting large amounts of Chloroform to be found in the car and even on the steering wheel? Nobody told him that Chloroform is a volatile compound and it has a half-life? That it evaporates and dissolves over time? Was he expecting to find large amounts after 31 days inside a car with the Florida heat? Please.

@cheapy2006 I noticed that too. All the quality journalists left Foxnews years ago when they refused to conform. They wanted to report real news and Fox wanted them to report the news THEY chose. 'OUTFOXED' is a great documentary about the negative turn towards tabloid media that Fox experienced.

Cases are won and lost by jury selection. Point in case. 12 idiots and here is # 11 and I hope he sees Caylee every time he closes his pathetic eyes. Letting a child murderer walk free, may you never never forget the pain your vote caused. A pathetic excuse for a jury, Baez was in sheer delight. I'm still in disbelief over this case and the jury allowing a killer to walk.

Why would duck tape be in her hair? If that was where it was originally.

Oh god how bout garbage bags in woods. Good god whats the point. They needed to see the tape on her face

I guess I just dont understand casey not completely pushing George under the bus if he did what she claims he did. as much as she lies you would think she could put some of those lies on the "truth". I realize he wasn't on trial, but it just doesnt add up to me.

@Hhaze

7 жыл бұрын

According to Ashton's book, she wanted to push him all the way under the bus. She told her shrinks that she thought he drugged her the night before then molested and killed Caylee. Her legal team probably thought that was a very bad idea and somehow talked her out of taking it that far.

I hope this is a joke right?

Seriously? No wonder a Not Guilty verdict was returned. This one is worse off than #3.

The way this guy talks it sounds like the evidence that somebody searched for "fool-proof suffication" at 2:51PM when Casey was at home and George was on his way to work would have completely changed the outcome.

This guy and Juror number 3 are very close...in regards to how stupid they are. I only saw a few hairs on the duct tape, so we had no idea where it was? Such backasswords logic.

And she found guilty of lying to the police. They did not have enough evidence to convict her on murder. The one the jurors said that they were not even sure if crime took place.

The state failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was guilty and the jury made a verdict of not guilty. If you cry babies want to blame someone blame the prosecutor. From what I read and watched the state didn’t have conclusive evidence and the defendant got a good lawyer.

And that little girl looks exactly like her grandfather. Hint hint. Who had the biggest motive in having her buried if this was an accidental death?

excellent job you did juror number 11 you and jennifer ford. jose baez defense did an excellent job on reasonable doubt. it was shocking because the prosecution didn't have anything.

This guy sat on the jury and don’t have a clue what he is talking about