Thanks Caroline You are a star who has gone so far that you manage to pull people into your light. Thanks

THIS video changed my life! I know people say that, but it did: I had so much anger after my mom passed - and months after seeing this video and having the seed planted from the story she tells, I heard my mom say four words to me and BOOM, the anger dissipated and I had a COMPLETELY different perspective about her passing, about so many things related. It was life changing, healing, felt miraculous. AND I could see where both of my perspectives were real, depending on what my foundational perspective of life actually is.

Carolyn Myss is so helpfull if you listen and take it all in...great stuff!

Thank You dear Caroline. Deva has just shared this with us all and I remember you telling this story many moons ago. It's timeless wisdom reminds me never to forget the immense power of forgiveness and how it has the magic to set us free.

The simple realization that holding on to upsets, disappointments, and acts of unkindness paid to oneself is a misguided mechanism for preventing more pain and disappointment from showing its presence in one’s life currently, for the purpose of holding off “change” is indescribable. Holding on to the pain of the past is a way of stopping more pain from coming toward us…amazing stuff…thank you!

So eloquent and true! Caroline always inspires me.

The most interesting thing about this video is that her story describes a NLP process that uses hypnosis to Let Go/Forgive but she doesn't understand that she could be teaching 'How" to Forgive and because her lack of Neuroscience understanding at that time the message is "You need to Forgive" but without the direction of "How to Forgive"

What a beautiful story!!!!

(excerpt copied from my comment to her TED talk video on choices) In her talks about ‘Woundology’ she makes some valuable observations, that people get stuck in the story about how they were abused as children, and can end up trying to control others to accommodate their woundedness, and that may be a block to their healing. But she doesn’t really acknowledge the reality that the reason people are stuck in ‘Woundology’ is that they are not, possibly not able, possibly not even aware of the option, that beyond recognizing the reality of serious abuse, it (the very real stored pain) can be processed at a level beyond just talking about it (which still usually maintains a distance from the actual original pain), and it can be healed from, over time. But that is a very difficult thing to do, maybe not available to every trauma survivor, and requires a lot of compassionate support, connection. Contrary to Myss’s idea (at least in early talks I heard of hers), that if you’re still dealing with the effects of trauma over a long period of time, there’s something wrong. In other words, (in theory) we have the power to decide how long it takes us to heal, get over something. In reality, life and nature, and healing from trauma, has it’s own timing and rhythms, that are not in our control, when we decide something should be over, and, as well as being engaged in a process that’s real to heal, requires acceptance, surrender to things beyond our control. She sounds to me something like that macho (Chicago working class?) attitude of "Get over it! (Weakling!)”. So, maybe the person who is using childhood wounds as an excuse to control others, make others suffer for the abuse they suffered from childhood, needs to hear this message, and about the concept of ‘Woundology’. But then what is her solution? “Get over it”? Doesn’t really work. It seems to me there is a lack of real compassion and understanding of the realities of the effects of child abuse and neglect, PTSD. It does take some real understanding, and maybe inner spiritual strength to know when a person is being enabled, and is truly stuck, and to be able to speak truthfully, but compassionately to them about that, and offer a real solution, more than just a decision to 'be in integrity’. In one of her youtube talks she expressed the idea that whatever is in the past, is not happening now, so ‘what’s the problem’? (paraphrasing, but accurate, I believe). That kind of statement is extraordinarily ignorant/unconscious of the long term, involuntary effects of trauma, and ends up blaming the trauma survivor, making them feel that something is wrong if they are still struggling with symptoms. To put that on people who are suffering, by no choice of their own, is that 'in integrity’? Acknowledging that you have unprocessed pain from childhood and living a life of integrity are not mutually exclusive. Deep loss, abandonment, abuse, trauma from childhood typically does result in later depression. Refusing to acknowledge that depression, and it’s source, which may be from childhood trauma, does not mean the depression will go away. Making the decision to live an 'integrous life', and doing your best to live an 'integrous life', doesn’t mean you won’t experience some feelings of depression. It will free you from the pain, added on top of past childhood pain, of acting out in ways that hurt others, and the pain of being dishonest, which hurts yourself and others. But in my experience, real pain can be acknowledged and processed, not projected out on others, ‘a day at a time’, and you can do this in integrity. In fact it is an act of integrity to fully own your own pain, and do your best to heal from it. Depression is often unprocessed grief, so tears must be allowed to flow again to heal it, and possibly real anger, even rage may need to be allowed to have it’s truthful expression, if it’s there. And, to be in integrity, if you have ways you have acted that hurt other people, and yourself, you have to acknowledge that, and clean it up, make amends if possible.

@peggyharris3815

6 жыл бұрын

Lawrence Duff you should write a book. You've already got the first chapter. It might be a good one.

@lawrenceduff7368

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Peggy. It's feeling like I will do that at some point. My comments about this general subject are based on personal experience, not intellectual theorizing, or anything I've read. Just trying to put in rational words, as clear as possible, something that is about the experience of deeply rooted emotion/pain (not intellectual at all), and how to heal from it. There seems to be a lot out there offering people quick fixes that sound good, or in some cases ways to uphold or reinforce denial, which many people want and are quick to believe. Sometimes these teachers have some valuable truth to offer, but then can mislead people, maybe unintentionally/unconsciously, but sometimes it seems because it bolsters up their own defense/denial system, and/or income from being a sought after teacher. Another example (imho) is Byon Katie. You can see my comments (and responses to others comments, a little overkill maybe?) as Larry Duff: facebook.com/theworkofbyronkatie/photos/a.10150536570889150.372583.93319279149/10152501557949150/?type=1&theater

@peggyharris3815

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry Larry, I'm not a member of the Facebook community to read your comments on Byron Katie, but I have listened to her as she addressed everyone as "Sweetheart". I just couldn't take it. Lol Dr David R Hawkins is a good read. Its been fun Larry. Lets have coffee. Lol

@lawrenceduff7368

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, been fun, Peggy. Take care.

The humans commenting from their minds will never understand Caroline or Byron Katie and will always find things to pick apart and comment on. One only understands their talks if they listen from their open heart and quit judging from their ego/mind. One commenter believes Carolyn is coming from the attitude of 'get over it.' She's saying the exact opposite. That the only way 'out' (suffering) is the way 'through.' Blessings.

Good analogy Have seen this in friends relatives and myself

I just got this DVD at my local library and it was really good! I was surprised. Recommended.

AMAZING! Thank you!

This is such a powerful video about the power of Forgiveness. I hope those of my clients stuck in unforgiveness take note.

Forgive self ❤

thanks for sharin...

This is brilliant. I would like to add my own perspective and say that a lot of us HAVE got to the point in our development where we CAN choose the speed of change on purpose. Buddha did it by sitting under a tree, Jesus did it by hanging out in some desert... the 40 day duration seems to be about right from my own experience. Its enough time to turn your whole life upside down and to emerge with ones positive and creative energy being dominant.

@enzodavid4632

2 жыл бұрын

sorry to be so off topic but does anyone know a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I somehow lost the login password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me!

janetUSA: Thanks for your reply. It was her opening words: "the ONLY true way that's successful..." that I was responding to. I certainly don't deny the importance of forgiveness but to say it is the ONLY way to call back spirit is not the case in my experience. Sometimes forgiveness is not the issue...

I second that!!

I agree with you

"Abreaction that results in disintegration occurs when the level of arousal overwhelms the resources for coping, so that retraumatization and decompensation follow. Conversely, abreaction that promotes integration is carefully modulated to the individual’s resources and, moreover, facilitates emotional expression necessary for reprocessing traumatic material." - Victoria J. Kelly Psy.D. If the story that is told is true, it is certainly not within most people's capabilities. (con't. below)

@equteachme

2 жыл бұрын

It won't' be for you because you already have put limits on what can be done.

I'm trying to find the video that talks about forgiveness. When someone has done something you might say, well, I have done something like that too....then you might say and when I did that I was trying to protect the other person....and it goes on like that.....please if you know the one send me the link in the reply....cheers.

I agree with much of what she said; however, I don't think that not forgiving someone slows your life down. It definitely gets stored as negative energy and such, but claim that your life will not move forward is a bit of stretch. I've not forgiven people and still had much change occur in my life. But the overall message was good.

@HDvids101 Yes, I agree with the first part of your reply. However, whose frame of reference should I use to evaluate what I see and hear? As for the second part of your reply, are you implying that those of us who may question the validity of this story need to do something so that we can "see the world as it really is"? If so, who determines whose filters are the one's that need the cleaning job? That gets dicey, no? I think that it is often people's needs that determine their beliefs. ;-)

When you see the light walk towards it. BZZZT.

forgive but dont forget

I find this inspiring but I must question the remark that the ONLY way to call back one's spirit is through forgiveness. Surely, there are a great many things that can cause one to 'lose one's spirit' and just as many ways of healing...

@ElaetiaPhyn Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you are suggesting. In my post, I said that the overall message might certainly be vaIid, but I found this particular tale to be quite a stretch. So, what exactly do I have to "keep trying" at? Keep trying to believe that this tale is true? Thank you.

@HDvids101 Do you know what my "still mind" notices? That regardless of where I go here on YT, my actual questions are rarely, if ever, addressed. They are either deflected or ignored, and instead I get to hear dogma. I wonder why that is? I find that surprising when communicating through the written word. One would think that it would be harder to ignore what has been said. ;-)

She said we can't control the speed at which change occurs in your life, but isn't that what this video is about? Invoking change? I want to get on the fast track, but like Rambo experienced, there are so many obstacles.

is it possible?

Most people who can't recover from a traumatic experience need the help of a professional who can help them keep from becoming over aroused and re-traumatized. A trained EMDR professional can help you get to the place where you can reprocess the experiences and forgive.

@ElaetiaPhyn Gee, will there be any charge for that lecture? I didn't question the validity of the message, I was questioning the details of the events. So, do I receive a reply with corroborating evidence, of which I have since found, BTW? Nooo. Instead I receive a reply that uses the word you, or a derivative, twelve times! What might that tell us about Ego? Yours I mean. Can't tolerate your beliefs being questioned? If we practiced more tolerance, we may not need to forgive so often. ;-)

@azul8811 Your 'Ego' not 'still mind' ;-) Maybe,depending who the question is directed to, can see past the ego's little game and is giving you a nudge to open a little.Listen to Tolle ,Watts, Myss, Gangaji read "The "Four Agreements". No dogma in these teachings. You are your own master. Remember the 'little me' in you(ego) wants to feel important and have your "questions" answered not a still mind. This alone can crack some beliefs you have ;-)

I didn't hear here contradicting you. She said that without forgiveness you will never get your spirit back. If someone doesn't need to forgive anyone, maybe it's not part of their process. Some have done other things and regained part of their spirit, but forgiveness may be the missing part of their puzzle.

@HDvids101 There is certainly much to be gained by quieting the incessant mindless chatter of the "cortical monkey". And meditation is a tool to do so, and perhaps we gain greater clarity. But how does that negate the value of critical thought? Isn't "questioning the story" how we advance our knowledge... of science, medicine and engineering, etc.? Will a meditating Tibetian monk design a pacemaker? As for "questioning the story", I never believed that there were WMD in Iraq. Did you? ;-)

Interesting. We fear to forgive because we fear our lives will go faster and we are not ready.

the overall message might certainly be valid, but honestly, i find this particular tale to be quite a bit of a stretch.

@azul8811 Get out of your Ego ( - explains your defensiveness to gain attention to your comments). If you don't understand what that means, you will not understand the story. Therefore you cannot open your mind to the possibility of its Truth - which may be deeper than you can comprehend at this point in your life. (Nothing wrong with that.) What if you stopped for a moment, let yourself believe the story. What then? Otherwise, move on to what does speak truth to you.

maggots and chicken gizzards!!!

Eating them to stay alive. My god!

Cult Figure.