I came to this realization when I tried Ayahuasca. Everything that I thought "I" was, suddenly ripped away. Thoughts went first and then memories. The last thing to go, and this was the biggest shocker and totally unexpected, was TIME!...I wasn't anything at that moment. I wasn't "nothing" but I was no-thing. There was just forever and the acceptance being forever. It was wild but VERY transformative. I just felt love and gratitude for just being. Its amazing to know that we have a deeper connected consciousness. I went there for anxiety. I didn't expect to experience infinity lol. I still couldn't wrap my head around the no time thing until I watched this talk. Identity and time are definitely connected. I would go as far as saying that the root of identity is time. This talk made a lot of sense to me.

The first step would be to make people understand and know that the past still exists and the future already exists .

@user-dx7ml4nn6v

6 ай бұрын

No. That's your misunderstanding. Minkowski's four-dimensional space-time coordinates are mathematical coordinates. That is, the coordinate axis of the imaginary number. It is a coordinate that converts the velocity of light into length. So x,y,z,ict. So many people mistake time for four dimensions. We must tell the truth and prevent public misunderstanding. The fourth dimension is not time and no one knows. In physics, an inevitable paradox arises when all the lines of time exist. So imagine it but don't believe it's the real world

The title says time is an illusion so i like how he checked his watch while talking.

I thought they had rigorously tested quantum entanglement to show that they DID communicate in some way? (One particle knew what the other particle would be BEFORE it was actually even measured). It is obviously more complex than that, but it was a very interesting study.

I'm half way through the book. I would recommend it to folk like me who never get tired of thinking about what all this might mean. Thanks for this video.

Time travel is possible in your mind through imagination,it’s the memory that needs work on, for most people, today is yesterday’s thought that was remembered and written down, Keep a pen and note pad at your bed side , when you awake , quickly write your thoughts down before they fade away, the more you practice,the more you’ll remember

There was a young man called Bright - who could travel faster than light. He set off one day, in a relative way, and returned the previous night! Confused? . . . . You will be!

Brian May guitarist in Queen song "39" is about leaving earth in a space ship and coming back in a year to find your grand children are in place of your wife in age but you are older but a year. "So many years are gone though I'm older but a year, your mother's eyes from your eyes cry to me..." Great song.

@21:28 "so, the notion of time is just thrown away" [looks at his watch, scratches his head, and continues,] "I hope I have confused you enough"

I’m convinced time travel already exists. This is absolutely insane. If you believe time travel is possible in the future, then it has already happened.

@NondescriptMammal

Жыл бұрын

What if we don't believe it is possible in the future? Not everything is possible in the future, you know.

21:30 Proclaims time is meaningless. Then proceeds to check watch to make sure speech is on time. 🤣🤣🤣

I watched this in the heat of the moment. 🙂

@shirlyiang969

3 жыл бұрын

what spliting moment to moment?

@evilwayz1464

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if they caught it 🤔 good one 😂

Great moment in time....!!!!

outstanding

Amazing

Is time just a concept related to the of movement of objects. If the universe was filled with objects but there was no movement at the micro and macro scale , would time be perceptible to an intelligent entity observing our universe from the outside ?

@sebastianrogel5953

2 жыл бұрын

In order to have a perception, the observer would need an internal system which processes sensory information. This internal system would need to have the moving parts you mentioned. Apart from that, observing our completely motionless universe it would seem like a painting to us.

@NondescriptMammal

Жыл бұрын

Even if time is imperceptible to a particular intelligent entity, does it not still exist and continue forward? You cannot perceive time while sleeping, and yet it doesn't cease to exist for you.

Thank you very much.

The difference between the past and future is knowledge.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

So here is one of the main problems of understanding.. People have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

cool video🙂

Brilliant

Might the "now" moment be how decoherence is expressed in the time dimension of space-time? So, in space we experience solid matter (as opposed to the wave it emerged from) and in time we experience the "now". The implication would be that time is emergent from mass, not fundamental. Also, the arrow of time would therefore be the result of our continuously expanding universe, which in turn "stretches" all matter, which in turn generates a continuous flow of new "now" moments. Another implication of this way of thinking is that entropy is the result of our expanding universe.

that one guy needed to comment about carlo checking his watches🤣

The methodology of a speculative temporal philosophy With the scientific development pointing into a certain direction across various disciplines, that time could only be an illusion, accompanied by a societal consensus vis-a-vis this conception, i decided to try and concept a new view on the philosphy of timelessness. Asking yourself anything, being the main tool of all of philosphy, the questions that are being stated by a philosophy of timelessness are going to represent the core of this treatment. For some of them, first approaches are going to be delivered, which are to be executed at another point. This way, a first conception of this philosophy is to be proposed, and the foundation of the methodological framework for further considerations to be layed down. The first obstacle to be overcome is the language. Besides others, the first ones to encounter some difficulties are the ones who try to define the nature of timelessness using a language which fundamental structure depends on the temporal order of being things. Considering this, all expressions that are to be viewed on the background of timelessness, will be accompanied by a corresponding reference or a new term will be introduced. The understanding of those terms, demands a high level of cognitive devotion to the following premise: Time does only exist as a mental construct. Regarding the previously stated warning, it is the language that creates a mental contradiction by speaking these words. But since time cant be eliminated on a cognitive level, it is not yet necessary to predict an attack on the day to day semiotics. But since we just eliminated time from a physical level, some of the rather intuitiv answers to simple questions seem not to be applicable anymore and other previously not even thought of questions seem to be pressing for an elegant solution. Imagine a physical world without time, a consortium of from one another least possibly different nows, only connected through the laws of nature. Every one of those nows would be equal in the face of timelessness and all of them would be happening simultaneously. But there are nows, that include time, and it are those ones which include intelligent life itself. Since intelligent life has to be made possible by selfawareness, and it itself needs a concept of a past and future self, u cant speak of single nows but rather a now complex. Since there is no temporal Order of things, common physical equations have to be translated into the language of temporal philosophy as seen below: A system moving at the speed v changes its state at a rate lower by a facotr of (1 − v2/c2)−1/2 than the system in the rest frame, meaning that every human life( if and as long as it has a concept of time )represents such a now complex, in which time is to be found, but only within the boundaries of the associated mind. If the human consciousness moves in time, but the corresponding body itself does not, the conclusion is to be drawn, that at smaller mergers of nows within the human now complex, there are separate consciousnesses feeling the journey through time. Therefore it has to be calculable how many of those conscious states a human now complex includes and therefore how often one appears in his own life. The respective subject is then limited by time, constructed of almost innurable states of consciousness, all regarding themselves as the real present one, for eternity. To put it in simpler terms: Your life is like a book, with the pages torn out and distributed on the floor. Every single page does exist equally next to the other, for ever. Death can be defined as the first now of human now complex, from which on all following nows of that complex are not able to simulate the associated consciousness in relation to all other systems of the universe. This topic will be further discussed in the chapter devoted to the language analytics of the temporal Philosophy. Going further into the book metaphor, you have a Universe consisting of several books, one them you, and the rate at which you read one book in relation to another is only determined by gravity and speed, the direction in which it is read by the laws of thermodynamics, the physical foundation will be specified at a given time. You should have a clearer pictures now, about the fundamental laws that determine this philosophy and to not stretch this introduction unnecessary i am now going to state the various forms of life that will be at the center of this philosophy. It is defined by its relation to time and its perception and the practical part of this philosophy will be devoted to finding a series of demands u can set for interactions with the different kinds of life. It will take some effort and will be discussed in different parts of this treatment but we will be able to split life into 4 categories: unaware life Aware life Selfaware life Selfaware life aware of timelessnes Intuitivly less accessible and harder to visualize is going the be the approach to put a moral value on certain action, since the calculation will be determined by variable views on time, simply because life of every categories includes certain aspects of the previous categories and you will have to consider all possible angles on time before even trying on depicting a normative ethics of timelessness. For the introduction into the temporal philosophy it will be enough to have a basic understanding of classical physics, thermodynamics and relativity. Quantummechanics will be introduced at a later stage to help us save the problem of the eternal return and derive the free will. The speculative nature of this philosophy lays within the fact, that there is no scientific prove of its premise at the time this is being written and it therefore does not claim any sort of legitimation or applicability in the present moment. I do think however, that a willing reader will have to accept the fact that a lot of things would have to change in human interaction if this premise is proven at a certain point and in the cultural evolution of every temporal philosophy it will be stated why a civilization is only able to conduct this thought process at a certain point of its development and even later will be able to accept its conclusions . Aim of the methodology of the speculative temporal philosophy shall be: to present a perhaps purely biological distinction between the various layers of life made possible through a metaphysical framework in concurrence with and through current physical theories, along with the existing parameters respective to the aforementioned metaphysics study, as a basis for my chief work.

amaizing

i have never meditated for a period of time as I can only meditate in the now.

our definition of space and time is all important as to the way we see time. I have reached the conclusion that the difference between our understanding of the quantum world and our ordinary world has a lot to do with definition, in our ordinary world particles are very important and they interact with other particles and are acted on by forces but in the atom it is not particles that are trapped but their fields. The definition of particle and field changes between the different worlds.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

So here is one of the main problems of understanding.. People have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

@javierharth3647

Жыл бұрын

The particle and the field are one and the same. Without the particle there is no field, at least not one can detect. And without the field the particle is nothing! They are indivisible!!

The 4th dimension called 'time' is not time as perceived; it is a dimension which intersects the other 3 dimensions.

The true sign of an honest actor or a stable mindset is when a person says I would be happy to be proven wrong.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

So here is one of the main problems of understanding.. People have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

Regarding the twins example of professor I have a question. Is the time difference is due to the speed of the spacecraft or our distance from the gravity of earth. If the rule is gravity is slowing time, how bigger gravity when we are near to Jupiter or Black Holes will speed up the time for us?

There is one thing I don't understand: what's the relation between the summary that comes with the video (the real-time city is now real etc.), and the content of the lecture by Carlo Rovelli?

Time is a personal observation of movement, motion, rhythm, and change, relative to something else. If there is no movement, motion, rhythm, or change of anything, time could not be conceptualized, and all things would be in an eternal state of silence, darkness and preservation. Timeless.

@mgrassodirector

Жыл бұрын

You’re wrong. Which is why people spend thousands of dollars on timepieces.

38:27 - swish!

I think that the idea that it is possible for time to go backwards is an illusion but that time passes is real and speeds up or slows down depending on our frame of reference. I do not think that the time dimension is like space.

@NondescriptMammal

Жыл бұрын

Bingo! you hit the nail on the head. And just because time is more complicated than our ordinary everyday perception of it, doesn't mean "time is an illusion". Such absurd nonsense this guy is peddling. It hurts the credibility of science when charlatan physicists make preposterous claims like the one in this video's title.

There is no such thing as time. 28:13 checks his watch

@firstaidsack

Жыл бұрын

That's why prefer not to say that emergent things and objects "do not exist". They do exist, they're just not a fundamental part of reality.

if mass can be made by a 4d to 3d interaction. then perhaps the other 95% of the unseen komos also hold such an interaction in tact to some degree, perhaps that can explain the Dark matter de idea, and the luminosity curves of galaxies.

Help me out here please... do I exist in the universe 'now'? By the time I'm am observed through a super telescope a million light years away I will be, in reality, gone. But is this not all just about perception and in reality there is/was at some point a 'Now' that I exisist in?

He visto algo de esa conferencia y me llamo la atencion el hecho de que trata de explicar el resultado de las conjeturas con las premisas del planteo...a ver si me explico...ojo soy neofito con algunos conocimientos nomas... Si recorro un museo pictorico y observo cada uno de sus cuadros demorare X horas en hacerlo..bien.. Supongamos que de algun modo logro hacer una plantilla y desdoblo extendiendo sus habitaciones en un solo plano 2D y los miro todos a la vez..estaria ,digamos, acortando los tiempos a meros segundos.... Igual sucede con el ejemplo de la cuerda de este ingenioso italo ... Si solo miro uno a uno los puntos de ella demorare x "tiempo" pero si me alejo y la miro en toda su extension vere todos ellos en mucho menos.. Donde reside la diferencia..en el objeto observado o en el observador Diria AMBOS...asi como las ondas y particulas lo son a la vez...algo ...diriamos yinyanesco ..ergo...puede que la realidad ,el tiempo,el espacio y otras manifestaciones solo sean producto de apreciaciones individuales...o sea percepciones-realidades Seria interesante ser a veces "realidades" para observar las "percepciones" Diculpen todo este disrazonar..😁

It does makes sense to ask what is happening in Andromeda now. It just means: what would we see if we observed Andromeda in 3.2 million years? (not accounting for the fact that Andromeda is moving towards the Milky Way)

Is it possible that time speeds up when we move away from a large gravitational object as well as slowing down when getting closer to it? Velocity is decreased when moving against a gravitational force for the same amount of energy applied which perhaps has to add to the internal motion of an object which defines the passage of time.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

So here is one of the main problems of understanding.. People have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

@javierharth3647

Жыл бұрын

Only if one is there to witness it! Otherwise there is no time...

It seems to me that time is as related to speed as to distortions in the time space continuum. At our level, speed is far below the speed of light. At the quantum level, the speed of light comes into play. To a wave/particle traveling at the speed of light, there is no time and there is no distance. Distance is a function of time. To travel from one end of the universe takes no time when travelling at light speed because we do not experience any passage of time at the speed of light. Faster than light, causality breaks down and time moves backwards.

1:41 secs, the future and the past are self similar, that is to say after enough "time" has passed between the two, one will repeat like the other... so the past can in a sense lie both in the future and also in the past.

The "nearest to comprehensible" conception of subjective Time, (descriptive title of the self-defining cause-effect function), is Quantum Operator Fields Modulation Mechanism Mathematics Chemistry, here-now-forever functional e-Pi-i interference positioning resonance, ..of temporal Superposition-point Singularity pure relative motion probabilities positioning, perceived as the projection drawing plan of landscaping perspective. Illustration uncertainty principles => "Illusion".., eg Spinfoam Totality.. Going up and down in a "gravity field" around massive objects is actually a coherent cohesion objectives shift in pulsed resonances of time duration timing, so the observed effect on super clocks is a standard modulation shift along the line-of-sight standing wave positioning package projection. Or you can continue to accept the convention of potential energy-> incremental temperature potential changes. Correct observation, that there's no separation between past and future, only density-intensity orthogonality of Temporal substantiation coordination in Polar-Cartesian AM-FM Timing-spacing wave-package orientations, ie it's a navigational mapping of e-Pi-i ideal gas vanishing point Singularity resonances. The Singularity positioning here-now forever cause-effect is "collapsed" resonances of e-Pi-i interference positioning, insideout reciprocal functional substantiation.., by/of +/- superimposed transverse logarithmic Superspin inflation, of/by Total Internal Reflection, primary numberness, axial-tangential, Entanglement. "Physically" this Universal hyperfluid -> ideal gas "whirlwind" of time duration timing, sync-focused cosmological perspective positioning projection, ..none of which simple self-defining probability shaping is easy to describe. Synchronicity/singularity is.., apparently "empty" harmonic spacing, measuring coherent cohesion objectives, in pulsed resonances of "distance" or multi-phase state nodes of compound chemical bond-length "size", (we see time duration timing difference of/by anharmonic Exclusion Principle, wave-particle duration timing modulation/memory, not what you think of as separate physical objects. "Insideout" singularity is the functional resonance imaging of Synchronicity, ..measurable quantization interpretation of Superspin Modulation, so projected states of/by sync position is not solid, it's enduring sync rates of pure relative motion. The more accurately we understand, commit to a holistic awareness of cause-effect existence, the less personalized is our attitudes to individual self-centeredness. Not sure if humanity is already non-existent as a self-defining state of continuity or not, (reasonable pessimism), something like the Doomsday Clock representation of social cohesion..?

Well said about pessimistic view of humanity.

@prestonwickes4153

3 жыл бұрын

heck of a note to end on.

@jandegreve7906

3 жыл бұрын

0++

He keeps (kept?) Looking at his watch!

@orattigan

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, that guy got him on that question. He kept looking at his watch and gave a speech on the illusion of time.

My thoughts are about a sort of quantum collectivism . The old universal call to prayer. Morphic Resonance. Add anew reinforcing voice to the frequency and similarity is slowly developed . The entanglement knows no boundaries. Every receptor is in agreement by unrelenting entanglement homogenized. We are all occupying the same time. The moment it stops feeding , entropy ... heat wrestling with gravity...

If there is no time, how do you write Lorentz' transformation?

@mn-ru4li

4 жыл бұрын

Because time is emergent. Not the fundamental

Future is (in quantity) = past, but have the arrow of time in opposite direction.

With the outcomes of all quantum measurements already extant in time, could QMs probabilistic nature also be an illusion?

@MrTrda

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed it is... the future is written

Time is Statistical parameter standsbyMatrixof Theory of Relativity ie the past plus presentEstimate Future

Good video. Philochrony is the theory that affirms that time is magnitive: objetive, imperceptible (intervals) and measurable (duration).

Time is the measure of Motion of Matter in Space.The Past is History , the Future is incipient Probability.

Is it possible time is stationary and we are passing, more we are near high gravitational mass we pass with less velocity. That's why time doesn't move it seems to move fastest in space , slow on earth and slower on Jupiter.

@sebastianrogel5953

2 жыл бұрын

Or the exactly other way 'round.

@tj2636

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianrogel5953 no

I think emergent phenomena such as time should not be called illusions. As far as physics is concerned, an elephant is nothing more than an emergent phenomenon, but it is still useful to consider the elephant to be real.

@whirledpeas3477

3 жыл бұрын

Giving yourself a like is embarrassing

@Cyber_Nomad

Ай бұрын

@@whirledpeas3477Than why did you like your own comment too ? 😂

Heat is entropy is motion is time. Entropy is both increasing and decreasing in our world. Therefore time is both going forwards and backwards in our world. We just think it is going forwards. Time's illusion's our wrinkled face.

@vandnamalhotra9775

3 жыл бұрын

Entropy is the change or physical evident that helps us to differ past present time and future. According to me entropy never decreases. And if it does, kindly explain me.

Our Brains are state machines that are described by the state space equations. So "present" sensory inputs, state variable feedback inputs from "past" outputs to give "new present" outputs. I think the consciousness state machine is sampled (clocked) at different rates. The different rate depends on a boredom factor and also on our age. A child's sample rate is much faster than a sixty years olds sample rate. The boredom factor sitting in an Arts class is far higher than sitting in a Maths class. The sample rate is inversely proportional to the boredom factor. This answers the final question I think.

I think there is a Universal 'now' it is just inexperiencable as is the future.

Read the answers to whether time is an illusion or real in the book, "Infinity, Time, Death and thought". Time is a product or result of thought but includes 4 distinct aspects of time and their relation to both consciousness and their place in the physical universe. Discover why the universe can never reverse time, however that time is reversible in a non physical realm.

I love this kind of stuff. But I think that there is a definite NOW throughout the Universe. Doesn't matter how long it takes us to perceive it cuz of the speed of light. But there is definitely something happening right NOW everywhere at the same time regardless of when we get the information of it happening. I'm going to get The Nobel Prize.

@Shubhamsharmaaaaaaa

3 жыл бұрын

Yes This is exactly what I was thinking. If you can't perceive it doesn't matter it's not there or it's not happening. Now is " NOW" for everyone. It's just that we can't perceive it because of this boundary of the Speed of light which is constant.

@znome8500

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shubhamsharmaaaaaaa no it not , now is not now for everyone. Time is relative and an illusion.

Physics is destined to merge with metaphysics. Einstein's equivalence principle is part of 'super symmetry', so is time.

@RNDes-sz4qe

4 жыл бұрын

Everything humans do not understand is supernatural or metaphysical depending on their particular logics. We are so painfully ignorant it's classically tragicomic. Physics will never be anything more than measurement, meaning comes from our orientation to the measurement which is itself socially modified. That's not to say physics isn't important only to say that our brains are emotions-driven (thanks to their biochemistry) which makes them unstable and desperately invested in the chaos that emotionality brings. Some people would rather deny obvious evidence than accept that something they want to believe in is not true or true.

I don't have time to watch the whole video.

We still look at time from our conditioned human scale as observers. Try to step out of that box. I still dont see any new perspective on time presented.

His he a physicist or a philosopher?

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

The best of each are both.. With genuine intention, they are both methods of understanding truth..

For the wanna be Marty Mcflys asking all the time travel questions: You can correct errors of the past without ever having to return there. Simulate/Predict the permutations of the future before the choice is ever made. Go forward to go back. You do it already all the......time. You may just need more computational resources to do it better.

@flatearth9140

3 жыл бұрын

WRONG !!!!!!!!

You all NEED to watch the movie FLASHBACK. It’s LITERALLY what this guy is talking about!!!

@NondescriptMammal

Жыл бұрын

How long is the movie, in illusory time? This guy is talking in semantic trickery, to justify an absurd premise, to sell his books.

Illusion = holography, by default, no alternative is possible, and likewise, consciousness is universal continuous containment integration states on the outer boundary of i-reflection zero-infinity difference distribution, by default. How that works is completed and messy, and does so "by default", not intervention. Perceptions are resonant projection-drawing representations in mind-body re-cognition of Math-Phys-Chem Philosophy and Psychology.., AM-FM Logarithmic Time.

The only reality we live in is the present, as noted, the mind is what process' this illusion of time by memories we hold. Time is not only an illusion but a construct for us humans to organize our corporeal lives here. Why do cells age and die? Isn't that due to 'Time,? Carbon dating, half lives, what about those? The Illusion of Time>

@user-rx7ul8cs8w

Жыл бұрын

Who created (originated) this universe? What is the purpose of your existence on this earth? What is the fate of people with disabilities or special needs, or who died at a young age.They lived less than a year or more in life? And what is the fate of the abuser, the malicious, and the oppressor who was not punished in this world, as it should be? Or pay bribes to get away with it?

The Biggest Ideas in the Universe | 5. Time kzread.info/dash/bejne/fY2aqKV6oNKTgso.html

Always, when a scientist talks about illusion of Time, its an italian or spanish, Why english people dont accept this idea ? 😄

If time is an illusion why can we use it in so many mathematical formulars?

@dougwarner59

4 жыл бұрын

Because in the illusion you are able to use mathematical formulas.

@jacopoboccato9371

4 жыл бұрын

Because our mathematical formulas are just an approssimation we use to understand better the world around us, they have not a metaphysical meaning

@christopherellis2663

3 жыл бұрын

It is a measure of Motion of Matter....

Is anyone going to watch the meteor shower yesterday?

So do we have a choice in how our life unfolds? Or is choice an illusion generated by causal relationships beyond our control? If the future exists already, what point is there in “trying” to make things happen in your own life? Seems like we as conscious beings should simply just sit back and watch our human bodies carry out their destiny. If you’re meant to accomplish great things, I suppose there would be nothing you could do to stop it. A sudden wave of peace just hit me. Is this what is meant by “Be still and know that I am God”...

@Cyber_Nomad

Ай бұрын

Current notion of quantum mechanics is probabilistic. If true, you can choose the path to be taken but everything is already happened

Time differs with altitude only because the magnetic strength is weaker the further away from the center of the unit that generates the magnetic field. In space there is no up or down or left or right. That only happens in relation to an physical object.

@jimbuono2404

4 жыл бұрын

Not so. The magnetic field is not the issue. The issue is the distortion of space/time in the presence of a large mass. But you first must accept that space and time are joined aspects of the universe.

He says wearing a watch (SMH)

@liaes2709

2 жыл бұрын

Due to social constructs

@mikesmith6838

2 жыл бұрын

He responds to this @38:21 .

@NondescriptMammal

Жыл бұрын

@@liaes2709 Due to social constructs that exist because time is not an "illusion".

@NondescriptMammal

Жыл бұрын

@@mikesmith6838 He responds with word trickery and an invalid analogy that answers nothing. He points up and says "this is up". He points down and says "this is down". Then he points out that there is no up and down in the universe at large. So what? "Up" and "down" are relative terms. To us terrestrial beings, the word "up" means upward from the center of the earth, and down means toward it. These are relative terms with definitions that we all understand, and have nothing to do with whether there is an up and down in outer space, and that in turn has nothing to do with whether time is an "illusion". Semantic hocus-pocus to beguile the gullible.

Time is not an illusion the way we understand it; time is relative which essentially means the meaning of life is love.

It’s time to move on

Entropy is measurable as a thing called time...

Does not take into account "scale"... Time is relative to scale... Not gravity. When will people realise this?

@johnmcntsh

3 жыл бұрын

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That was the most basic talk I think I've ever heard on Time.

I know exactly what will happen in the future. I will die. Mankind will die, most probably by an atomic war. Space expands until everything will be in a state of equilibrium and everything in it, you got me, has died already long ago. But I cannot remember my birth. I cannot say if there was a big bang in the beginning and not what has ever happened before. This remains a mistery for me to me and to all beings, I guess. Also entropy is going down with aging and not up, as the physicists say it does, if you define it as the total amount of things that you are able to do with your body. Time itself moves backwards is the only logical conclusion and it is just our brains playing tricks with us. If time moves backwards you have proven super symmetry, because all the particles would spin in just the other direction and don´t pop out of the LHC, but pop into it, while we were looking for them. If time moves backwards we can explain entanglement and we don´t a "many worlds solution". It is just a pill to take and everything is set very well, or isn´t it? The only downside of it is the complete loss of free will, which there was doubt about anyway, but we gain not to loose anything at all, because all is, was and will be there for ever just in time. Thank you and a happy next world war.

L'ipotesi di "inesistenza del tempo", avanzata da alcuni, è una bugia insostenibile, di dimensioni colossali. Anzitutto noi misuriamo il tempo, tramite numerosi congegni che genericamente chiamiamo "orologi", e non è possibile misurare qualcosa che non c'è, perché la misura, che è una operazione di confronto, richiede necessariamente due campioni della cosa da misurare, senza i quali non è possibile alcuna misura (qualunque confronto richiede due enti da comparare). Se però assumiamo il punto di vista della relatività einsteniana, teoria che trova conferma in innumerevoli osservazioni sperimentali, la situazione peggiora. Infatti in relatività la distinzione tra spazio e tempo dipende dall'osservatore, sicché la linea temporale degli eventi di uno (la cosiddetta "linea di universo"", o "tempo proprio") differisce da quella di un altro, entrambe costituite da una serie di eventi disposti su un reticolo quadridimensionale spaziotemporale, ovvero privo di un tempo a priori che non dipenda dallo specifico soggetto. Dunque, essendo lo spaziotempo un tutt'uno in sé indifferenziato, nel quale diverse linee possono essere tempo per un osservatore, spazio per un altro, e miscela delle due cose per un altro ancora, eliminare il tempo (più propriamente: i tempi) significherebbe eliminare simultaneamente anche lo spazio (gli spazi), cancellando l'esistenza di qualunque fenomeno: scomparirebbe il mondo, e non vi sarebbe più fisica che osservi ed analizzi il mondo, ma non vi sarebbe nemmeno più alcuna esperienza dell'esistenza di un mondo fenomenico. Invece l'esperienza dei fenomeni esiste, compresa la scrittura e lettura di questo commento. Alcuni cercano di cavarsela retoricamente, sostenendo che "il tempo è un fenomeno emergente", ma nemmeno questa è una soluzione: un "fenomeno emergente" è pur sempre un "fenomeno", ovvero un esistente, qualcosa che c'è.

A better description is that 'time' is a human-centric measuring method, to try to describe the motions of existence.. Here is why it does not work at the fundamental level.. People generally have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

@HeronMarkBlade

Жыл бұрын

interesting, thanks. does this point toward an idealist ontology for you?

Time is change.

I wonder if there's negative gravity. If so, that might be our key to travel back in time. Though how to orbit such a place when we're made of positive matter might be challenging.

Time does not exist. Of course, time doesn't even pass. There is only a relative variation in this universe with the momentum of matter and objects. Imagine this. In a world where nothing exists, time naturally disappears. Even in a world where everything has completely stopped, time naturally disappears. What these two thought experiments have in common is that time does not exist unless there is a change in the event caused by the movement of an object. If time exists independently regardless of this, you should be able to perceive that time is passing even in a world without momentum change and specify what time is. But that is absolutely impossible. But if a particle appears in a world where nothing exists, and when that particle moves in the x, y, z three-dimensional coordinate system, event changes occur, and we measure and perceive the change in momentum and position of a single particle, and the idea of time is created through our senses. So humans make time a mathematical unit called second/minute/hour. Why? We make it so that we can calculate and measure the momentum (speed), the amount of change (moving distance, location), and so on. In conclusion, we observe the world through sensory action and mistake it for time to pass. Sunset and sunrise, the movement of cars, the wind blowing, the water flowing, the microscopic vibrations of molecules in the rock standing still. All the flows we see are the motion of matter and objects, and the amount of change in energy and interaction with natural forces. The direction follows the universal laws of the universe, where entropy increases in an isolated system. And many people mistake the fourth dimension for time. It's a great illusion. Perhaps most people misunderstood the concept of Minkowski's four-dimensional space-time coordinates, which led to this idea. First of all, let me get this straight. Four dimensions is not time. In Minkowski's four-dimensional space-time coordinates x,y,z,ict, i is an imaginary number and c is the velocity of light. It is an imaginary coordinate that converts the velocity of light into length. Time is never four dimensions. It is an abstract mathematical coordinate and a very useful coordinate for calculating relativity. The greatest enemy of truth is human stereotypes and beliefs that have been entrenched for many years. This illusion generally stems from the illusion that the human five senses observing this world will be perfect. It is very difficult for any truth with logical rigor to break through long-held stereotypes. If you break prejudice, study physics a little bit, and think about the nature of time, you can come to the conclusion that time is an illusion.

@rickpoabr

5 ай бұрын

I agree, but I love time travel movies. When done right, funny althoug, saving the world by bringing back wales after passing fast close to the Sun with a Klingon battleship is a lot for me, even though I love Star Trek as well. Maybe that's why George Lucas, when saying "12 parsecs" as a measure of the Millennium Falcon's speed, wasn't a mistake after all

...time is horizontal.. .. consciousness is vertical.

Time is a system of measurement between events. Quack science won't change that.

Time is just a tool for people to manage the life situations.The time the space and the gravity is the same, is all matter movement in universe. Time is not exist, space is not exist and gravity not exist, just this movement of matter everywhere. The matter movement with rules, how could the matter move (we call that gravity)

@christopherellis2663

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@vandnamalhotra9775

3 жыл бұрын

I see u now u see me now. Do we? No, why no? Because we know that light takes sometime to travel, so light from me reaches to u after some time, it's short but it is, it is nanosecond but it's not zero. So u don't see my now, u see me how I was few nanoseconds ago and I don't see u now, I see u how u were few nanoseconds ago. So we don't see eachother in present. So what do v mean v r in the same present? Okay, so now this is irrelevant.

I don't think a video about the illusion of time should be that long.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

People generally have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

What if from a bigger perspective the wolrd is like gif to a higher intelligent being and that nothing is moving.Everything is still.

46:00 everyone should get this point atleast

Time only exists because our brain stores memories.

@ningzhou5015

4 жыл бұрын

@Fernando Cunha Just like there is actually no time on the planets, stars...where there is no living beings now, only systems interacting with each other. When we humans think about these we customary using the time concept though.

@ningzhou5015

4 жыл бұрын

And if there are living beings somewhere in the universe, they will for sure have their own perception of time different than ours.

@tedbrown7908

4 жыл бұрын

@Fernando Cunha Time is a human concept. Dogs and cats have brains but they have no concept of time.

@christopherellis2663

3 жыл бұрын

Really?

@SG-ig2eu

3 жыл бұрын

@Fernando Cunha that’s what I’m thinking.

Baloney.

@mrtonod

Жыл бұрын

You do not believe that time is relative?

Time is a compact dimension one single Planck second, 10^-44 sec in size. The original singularity.

@janetgoldsbury3953

Жыл бұрын

The non physical, consciousness or qualia may be the original singularity as you put it. Consciousness may be the fundamental basis of everything and a quantum fluctuation may have initiated the Big Bang. Pretty cool that the human mind is able to decipher so much (with mathematics) and that it can be explained to people like me (sans math). If it weren't for those great minds, I'd be rubbing two sticks together to get my morning coffee cooking. I wonder where we're headed...are we going to pull out of the climate/nuclear nose dive and create utopia on earth or will the flat earthers prevail and destroy the planet?

This is not logical to me. I understand that gravity impacts the measurements, but does it impacts the time? You have not demonstrated that. You use mechanical clocks that are impacted by gravity. Would electronic clocks lead to the same results?

@picardscat7898

3 жыл бұрын

The clocks will read second for second whether they’re electronic or not. But they will show a different result when compared to one another.

@atf300t

3 жыл бұрын

This effect is known as gravitational time dilation, and it is a simple logical consequence of the Einstein equivalence principle. The effect was predicted by Einstein in 1907. It does not matter what clocks you use as long as they are precise enough. In practice, atomic clocks were used to test this effect as they provide the highest precision.

@Cyber_Nomad

Ай бұрын

Any clocks humankind has are made from matter and matter is affected by gravity

Too much information delivered in a chaotic way

@trucksanddirt1506

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, Sad to see the whole notion of time reduced to mechanical clocks.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

People generally have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

Time does not exist. Only sequence exists. Time is a creation of mankind. Even in human terms now or present doesn't exist. There is only past & future. Anyway, everything humans can comprehend is understood in relative terms. For instance, we can't comprehend the existence of "nothing". We only understand the existence of "something".

@atf300t

3 жыл бұрын

No objective sequence can exist. According to special relativity, if two space-separated events are far enough then their order depends on your point of view, i.e. two observers can see the same two events in the opposite order.

@SuperManning11

3 жыл бұрын

Of course time exists-perhaps the semantics of what we mean by the word ‘time’ is in need of some explaining, but the experience of time, which is what we usually refer to when we talk about time, is real in the sense that we can and do perceive the phenomenon as our lives unfold around the concept.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

Here is one of the main problems of understanding.. People have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

Wrong mathematics. Do not confuse reflection with reality.

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

Here is one of the main problems of understanding.. People have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

can't say I was enlightened. Also, I don't believe the psycho-subjective angle is of any use in explaining the nature of time and is not worth so much discussion

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

People generally have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

Misuse of the word "illusion". Word trickery to make the lecture title sound more tantalizing. Let me guess... this guy has a book to sell, or does he just get paid lecture fees to peddle this nonsense?

this guy is totally wrong. time is a constant throughout the entire universe. just take the concept of a high speed photograph. so fast it can stop a speeding bullet mid air with no blur. now focus the camera on the universe from the edge of the known universe and take a snapshot. all objects in the universe will be caught by the camera no matter their speed. they are always there at the exact same time. no objects in the universe can speed up or slow down and evade the camera. this is just a fact. not opinion.

@sebastianhennig2518

2 жыл бұрын

He's right, time is an illusion. Look: imagine 2 twins; 1 travels with speed of light, second stays stationery , RELATIVELY to the first one, first travels 10 min, meanwhile second twin lives 60 years, all two twins felt passage of time in the same way; first twins thinks he travels only 10 minutes and he's right and second twin thinks he lives many years and he also is right, key words is RELATIVELY. Another example: one twin stays before black hole , second twin entres behind event horizon, first twin sees his twin brother is moving in veeeery slow motion, almost still, but he (second twin), from he's perspective , he feels and moves as usual, in ordinary way. They both feel normal, at they have such a illusion.

@MultiBamb00cha

2 жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious that you think of a speeding bullet as a measure of high speed, when he is talking about light :D While the universe does exist in an unknown state at the same time (cocnept of Now), there is no way to capture it, due to the limiting speed being the speed of light, and the size of the universe being just too large. Therefore the thought of "Now" loses all of its value entirely, since you will never be able to capture it and react to it, if the distance is long enough. Your "now" only functionally matters to your bubble. A galaxy is there "right now" but by the time you are able to figure that out, either you or that galaxy are gone

@cheese8520

2 жыл бұрын

you’re looking at the light, not the actual objects

@fluentpiffle

2 жыл бұрын

So here is one of the main problems of understanding.. People have a very poor understanding of what the word 'infinite' actually means.. This is not any kind of 'fault', but just that we have evolved within the confines of what appears to be a finite environment, and we thus try to look at things in finite ways, also justifying those 'finite' thoughts. When I first approached the 'problem' I had the same difficulties, so it takes our minds a lot of effort to reach another perspective of understanding, but it IS achievable.. Firstly, there cannot be more than one 'instance' of infinitude, otherwise a secondary 'thing' would render them both 'finite'. So we are describing a 'oneness'.. Also, it can have no 'beginning' nor 'ending' as these would also necessitate a secondary 'thing' (or the utter nonsense of a 'nothing'!), so we are describing 'eternity' when we apply 'time' concepts. Then, we have to admit that it can only be the one thing that interconnects all other 'things', and we deduce this to be 'Space', necessarily.. All references to 'size' or 'direction' do not apply to the nature of infinitude, and thus have no relevance to our understanding of the true nature of existence. 'Measurement' has limitations.. When we point to any position in Space, we effectively create a 'beginning' to any subsequent forms of measurement, which only has relevance to the entity desiring to understand said 'measurement'. This does not make it a feature of the nature of reality, only a desire from a Human perspective. spaceandmotion

@Nicotnan

Жыл бұрын

We know that time is relative since 1905.