After doing this I learned my eyes are crooked

Thanks for the video definitely going to do the bob method on my Viper scope that always looks a little off to me.

dang that's a nice trick with the flashlight and plumb bob...good to know info...thanks!

Thank you. My pellet gun scope rings were semi loose when I bought it. After shooting 100 22 pellets or so I noticed the scope had slid backwards. So I loosened the rings more, slid it forward, but my scope leveling kit is too big for the small scope. This is my savior of going to the gunsmith and giving him 50 bucks to do it for me. New subscriber here

@VortexOpticsUSA

3 жыл бұрын

That is great to hear! If you ever have any questions, please let us know!

I love the Packer helmet on the shelf!! Oh yeah, good information too :)

Update: Well after hanging a plum-bob, much to my amazement the FixIt Sticks scope jack exactly set the vertical reticle line at exactly 90 degrees to the horizon. I couldn't believe, but I had to believe what I was seeing. Still looks off to me. No matter, my first magazine dump of eight shots at 63 yards went God knows where. Next, I have to learn to zero my scope, then learn to shoot. Going to be a long learning curve, but fun.

I have a scope that just got sent back for reticle cant. I leveled the reticle with a plumb line about 16 feet long at 75 yards with the rifle itself leveled by the bolt raceways. The reticle holdovers worked perfectly out to 500. When dialing with no holdover out to the same distance it resulted in no rounds on steel. The cant in the reticle led to lateral movement when dialing vertically and miss after miss until windage was dialed as well. So the cant did indeed cause tracking issues. Just something to look out for if you are skeptical of the relationship between you turret and reticle.

@timkourbo3196

2 жыл бұрын

Have you considered a possibility that your scope may not be tracking accurately? Or was it some sort of NF or Zeiss?

@kassilewis5511

2 жыл бұрын

@@timkourbo3196 It was a Nikon Monarch 3 4-16×50. Holdovers with a plumb reticle at 75 yards and good D.o.p.e would get me out to 500 on the bdc reticle, the same adjustment in moa on the turrets always led to diagonal p.o.i. shift. Nikon told me that they acknowledged the fault and the repair exceeded the value of the scope at the time. I was issued a full refund and gave that money to Burris for a 3-15x50 veracity that has performed with both holdovers and m.o.a. out to distance and back to zero with near boring repeatability to this day. The nikon had a definite issue that led to a dial OR holdover issue but now I can do either. Problem solved in my opinion.

Thank you, this was driving me nuts.

So how do you know for sure the rifle is level?

That plumb bob idea is damn smart. Any super black Friday sale coming for the pst 5-25×50?

Shit mate as a firearms instructor and electrical technician your manner and presentation was excellent. And good advice even I learnt something for an old dog.

@VortexOpticsUSA

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

YES FLASHLIGHT METHOD FOR SURE>>>

So many people asking the same question... How do you get the rifle level to begin with? I think we all understand how to level scope but you have to have a level rifle to do it on!

I have a canted reticle. On. My venom purchase last 2 months ago

nice idea on using a plumb bob

@VortexOpticsUSA

2 жыл бұрын

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Two problems that can cause the crosshairs to be off: first, some rifles have no flat surface available to insure the stock/action are actually level--and remain level--while the scope crosshairs are being leveled and second, the scope can turn in the rings when the ring screws are being tightened down. How do you address these two issues.

Obviously you need to make sure the rifle is level before you mount the scope. Plop a bubble level on the pic rail or on the rings with the top half removed. Level it and clamp it in place. Mount the scope then use the plumb bob.

I am having this exact problem. I used a Scope Jack tool by FixIt Sticks which I was assuming was perfectly aligning my scope to my rifle. I have a bubble level mounted in the Picatinny rail on the rifle. The rifle is on a bipod in front and uni-pod in back. The rifle body is reading level. I used the scope jack according to directions, but my reticle is not quite vertical; maybe 2 degrees off at the most. I will double check with the plumb bob method and see what's going on. Thanks for posting.

@PaleoGreenByrd

6 ай бұрын

Wheeler rifle leveling kit. I know this post is old, but for others reading the question.

If possible, sliding parallels placed between pic rail and underside of flat portion of scope turret cluster.

I bought my first ever scope its on an ar15 its a Bushnell 1x6x24 with illuminated brt-1 and it looks like there are 2 sites inside that don't line up there is the lines and to the right and down a little are more lines that are blurry is it not level not lined up right or a factory defect

If I’m zeroed to 100 yards, but have about a degree or two of cant, will loosening the scope rings and fixing the cant force me to zero my rifle again?

How far away from the rifle do I need to locate the plum bob line to perform this leveling technique ?

Thanks for video. Question about a Vortex scope I just received and mounted up- it has what appears to be grit or debris/dried spots on the inside of the inner glass eyepiece lens. Would this be covered under the warranty? Can I send it in? Looking at the new scope it is very visible, & very annoying for paying for a new scope, then noticing this?

@VortexOpticsUSA

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely we will get that taken care of - hate to hear something like this happening but if you get in touch with us either at service@vortexoptics.com, calling in to 800-426-0048 or just following the instructions here www.vortexoptics.com/content/service we'll get you taken care of ASAP. Thank you! - Erik B. ebarber@vortexoptics.com

@RichM0410

8 ай бұрын

Though your inquiry here is older I had to comment here. I don’t work for Vortex either. LOL. Honestly I’ll say Vortex is top notch when it comes to customer service! Cant recall ANYONE with better customer service!I’ve had questions and a few conversations with them and it’s so professional and going into a conversation gather your questions and make them count. I came away with good knowledge. I bumped my gun in a way that damaged the throw lever on my viper pstII. It wouldn’t “grab” and adjust magnification. I called to verify torque pounds and they didn’t hesitate to send a new one. I even got a vortex ball cap! They WILL HAVE YOUR BACK. Period. I can’t personally guarantee you’ll get a new hat! 😂

So.. level the rifle first, and then use the flash light method, am I getting it right?

@VortexOpticsUSA

4 жыл бұрын

The flashlight method works great if you can't easily set a plum bob up down range or are unsatisfied with the level you get from leveling off the top of the turret. It's not absolutely necessary though.

Laser plumb bob is a great substitute for string type plum bob. Easier to see & most of them are self leveling & can also be used for leveling pictures or other such household jobs.

@prone_wolf8871

2 жыл бұрын

Lasers can lie....plumb bobs never lie Most would be fine with using a laser...but the laser has to be good to do so.

@StuninRub

Жыл бұрын

@@prone_wolf8871 Plumb bobs lie too, just less.

@Everythingoutdoors902

Жыл бұрын

@@StuninRub how does Gravity lie?

@StuninRub

Жыл бұрын

@@Everythingoutdoors902 Because gravity is not consistent on earth.

@Everythingoutdoors902

Жыл бұрын

@@StuninRub lol ok

Leveled rifle, leveled scope rail, leveled scope. They all line-up. Went to the range and was getting pretty good results once the scope was dialed in. Here's my problem, my EYE sees the scope horizon line as crooked when it is leveled (I have a scope-mounted bubble level) so the problem is not the scope, the problem is ME!!! How do you get around that, because I now realize I can't trust myself because my idea of level is not leveled at all! Is there a way of positioning my head or body to slowly work through this? I am fairly tall at almost 6'5" and have a pretty long neck and I read somewhere that the taller you are and the longer your neck is, the greater the cant. Is there any truth to this? Any help is greatly appreciated.

@PaleoGreenByrd

6 ай бұрын

I have the same problem. I leveled everything with a Wheeler Level kit. Barrel, turret, bubble level on pic rail, but when I look through the scope and rely on the bubble level, my sight view is canted about 10 degrees (down to the left). I did this process 3 more times and put my rifle away until I can figure out the issue. When I put the rifle in the vice, everything looks fine, but when I look down the scope prone, it all goes sideways (pun intended) For me to get a flat reticle, my bubble is to the far left of the bubble level. If you have solved this issue, or identified the cause please share. Thanks

What! I wasted $$ on my Wheeler reticle leveler?? Nice tips.

Yes that's the best method but do mention leveling the rifle. That can be tricky

@VortexOpticsUSA

5 жыл бұрын

It sure can! The extra effort and work is well worth it, though! :)

@yoboo6167

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, what is the best method for leveling the rifle? You can't level a scope without a leveled rifle.

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I’m sorry, I know this is going to sound stupid but shouldn’t your CNC machined Rifle be level right out the box? And shouldn’t your optic be level too? So you put the two together and they are level. What am I missing here?

If my scope is already set then my chanted is off and I fix the chanted How bad is that going to mess my Zero up? Or should I leave it alone All together? Thanks

@VortexOpticsUSA

3 жыл бұрын

Hey there - I'm not sure I am understanding the question. If it's easier, please feel free to give us a call at 1-800-4VORTEX ext. 5.

Will the flashlight method work to align a scope mounted anti cant level? If so, does the reticle need to be perfectly aligned with the rifle?

@VortexOpticsUSA

4 жыл бұрын

Mounted anti cant level? Can you elaborate, please? Folks get a little too worried about reticle alignment and whether it should be to the earth, to the rifle or other. It's funny, because if you look at some of the best F Class shooters in the world, some of them literally mount their scopes at a 45 degree angle in the rings, so the reticle is like an "X" instead of a "+". For our recreational guns, we usually mount ours up at the range with minimal equipment and no bubble levels to be honest (Probably sounds bad, but it's true) and level by eye. On a PRS or competition gun, more time may be taken, but even still, we just use a bubble level on the inner turret and the top of the rail of the gun and match them up and it works well enough.

@eaznutts5714

4 жыл бұрын

@@VortexOpticsUSA it's your lo pro anti cant device. 30mm mounted/clamped around the scope tube.

@VortexOpticsUSA

4 жыл бұрын

@@eaznutts5714 Ah got it - the flashlight method can work with that - get the scope level, have it locked in, then adjust the bubble level until it's even with that, too.

@eaznutts5714

4 жыл бұрын

@@VortexOpticsUSA so doing that, it doesn't really matter if the rifle is not completely level as long as the scope/lo pro bubble is level?

@VortexOpticsUSA

4 жыл бұрын

@@eaznutts5714 Sorry just saw this - The biggest thing that matters when you shoot is that the reticle is level to the earth. Your gun can be canted, but if the reticle is level to the earth, that's what really matters. When it comes to setting the bubble level around your scope tube, get the reticle level to the earth when you are behind the gun in your shooting position with a plum bob (To rule out any cant you may impart on the gun just by getting in your natural shooting position), tighten the scope in place, then adjust the bubble level on the scope tube until it shows perfectly level with your reticle.

Do I have to use a plum bob? Can I just attach some other object to the end of the string?

@Anthony74te27

2 жыл бұрын

The idea is to make sure the reticle is line up with a straight string or you can draw a straight line on your wall with a pencil and check if your reticle is line up.

what causes the reticle to rotate inside the scope AFTER it's been mounted properly?

@VortexOpticsUSA

3 жыл бұрын

The reticle should not rotate within the optic. Give us a call at 1-800-4VORTEX ext. 6 and we can figure out what is going on.

@trwagner1

3 жыл бұрын

@@VortexOpticsUSA Thanks. Are ya'll open on Saturdays that I can call?

@VortexOpticsUSA

3 жыл бұрын

@@trwagner1 We are open Monday-Friday from 8-5 CST.

Why won't the professional Leveling tools work? I used the levels about 10 times on the same rifle and it still looks canted.

If the turrets aren't level with the crosshair, will dialing in adjustments not be level?

@VortexOpticsUSA

3 жыл бұрын

The most important aspect is that the reticle is leveled to the rifle. You wouldn't notice a huge discrepancy until reaching out roughly 1,000 yards and further.

@mattrobinson5099

3 жыл бұрын

@@VortexOpticsUSA Thanks for the reply.

@shockwave6213

3 жыл бұрын

I have a cheap Tasco Bucksight 3-9x50 scope on my Mini 14 that has its top turret offset from the reticle about 3 to 5 degrees, but seems to zero just fine out to at least 300 yards. I believe it would work even farther, but my range has its rear targets and berm at 300. There's a reason precision 1,000+ yard shooters buy $200-$800+ scopes, while we who shoot sub 500 yards on a regular basis can get away nicely with cheap scopes.

@dave_1958

2 жыл бұрын

This is the same problem I’m having.. reticle is leveled to the rifle but the turrets are now at a noticeable angle .. just bought this today 11/8/21 vortex strike eagle 1-8-24 .. just mounted today and haven’t tried to sight yet because the crooked turrets are driving me nuts!

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Well usually as a right handes shooter the reticle seems to be canted to the left even though it is perfect, lefties vice versa

@VortexOpticsUSA

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly what we talk about in the second video related to canted reticles :)

@mattc6395

4 жыл бұрын

I thought I was losing my mind! Love my strike Eagle 1-6 but the BDC horseshoe reticle seems to be slightly crooked while the outside crosshairs line up perfectly. Glad to know there’s nothing wrong with the scope.

I have yet to see a leupold or even a nikon that the reticles are out of square with the turrets while the guns are level. If your turrets are not square with the reticle you no longer are moving straight up and down or left to right everything now adjusts at an angle. I am deeply disturbed by this video. Especially because you acknowledge that when the gun and turrets are level that the reticle should line up with the turrets. If the reticle is canted you now have a problem that needs to be fixed for long range shooting to have consistency and accuracy.

This is total crap the rifle can be at 45° angle and plumbing the scope to a plumb bob on all wall that achieves nothing you might as well mount the scope to the wall lol

Who cares if the scope is level with the rifle? How do you know your rifle is perfectly level with each shot? The only method that works is to mount a bubble level to the scope or shoot a rest or fixed tripod off a level bench.

@johnswinkels4383

4 жыл бұрын

please put a fucking level on it I am going to buy one as I have the same problem. cheers.

@duaneelsbree3460

3 жыл бұрын

You don't shoot long range, do you. Level scope is imperative. So, I care.

@InvestorAcademyPodca

3 жыл бұрын

Level scope is imperative, level bore or rifle doesn't even make sense. How can a pipe be level? The scope crosshairs need to be level and the scope has to be directly above the bore.

LOL. Are you kidding me? Plum Bob to align the vertical line of the reticle? Never heard of such non-sense. Just look at the sky through the scope while it is mounted on the rifle and adjust as necessary by turning it in the loosely held rings...works every time and just takes seconds, and then tighten down the rings after getting it where you want it...this is non-sense about a plum bob.

@VortexOpticsUSA

4 жыл бұрын

Glad that works for you

@willfalkner4936

3 жыл бұрын

@@VortexOpticsUSA :) Thanks for being awesome Vortex team. I got alot out of this video and the calls into your help desk over the last two years.

@duaneelsbree3460

3 жыл бұрын

It's not nonsense, plumb Bob's have been used for thousands of years. I have a construction background and have used that method many times. The problem is getting the rifle, with a round barrel to mate up properly. Then your rifle/scope once aligned, get the rifle hold to mount up so the reticle is perpendicular. Changing stock dimensions to "fit" correctly so you don't have to manipulate your cheek weld... so all line up. That is ideal. Off subject, but fit is mandatory for shotguns with the rear sight being your eye. Mid rib beads are quit revealing for those who cant the gun. My 2 cents