Can you beat Factorio if everything is a fluid?

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Liquid gold! ...and everything else.
The star of today's video is Pneumatic Transport!
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  • @Trupen
    @Trupen11 ай бұрын

    This looks like a very fun mod I have to try it out

  • @atomspalter2090

    @atomspalter2090

    11 ай бұрын

    oh yes

  • @thedootguy4444

    @thedootguy4444

    11 ай бұрын

    now make a tutorial series about it

  • @akakamaz7382

    @akakamaz7382

    11 ай бұрын

    Do you have any sanity left?

  • @willamyte

    @willamyte

    11 ай бұрын

    The man himself!

  • @Trupen

    @Trupen

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@MedicMainDave There is not such thing as "stealing alogrythm views" on yt and actually algorytm works opposite to what you think. Like if other people start making videos about this very mod, then Jade's video will get a big boost to views as a recommended video.

  • @markrobison5199
    @markrobison519911 ай бұрын

    I want to imagine the ammo pipe is just full of bullets. Not in mags or clips or containers, just bullets dumping out straight onto the turrets. And thats why your ammo pipes were never full. Because you were trying to produce enough raw *boolet* to fill the pipes

  • @DocJade

    @DocJade

    11 ай бұрын

    Like this? kzread.info/dash/bejne/aJ1h0K-Ql6W7oJM.html hahahaha

  • @mrpojsomnoj3313

    @mrpojsomnoj3313

    9 ай бұрын

    @@DocJade Now I want mod that change turrets to portal turrets. There is RP warfare, will use this instead I guess...

  • @shibainu2528

    @shibainu2528

    3 ай бұрын

    Didn't Aperture Desk Job have you accidentally invent the turret by breaking an ammunition pipe, sending all the bullets straight into the tank of the toilet you were currently testing and ended up breaking a bunch more stuff?

  • @MaleniaLi

    @MaleniaLi

    3 ай бұрын

    Just a real aperture science kinda deal going on, oh lmao, didn't read the other replies

  • @jamx02

    @jamx02

    2 ай бұрын

    So exactly how 762 miniguns are fed bullets

  • @literallyjustapanda1068
    @literallyjustapanda106811 ай бұрын

    My mans out here operating on 1M sub levels of work, the actual GOAT

  • @synka5922

    @synka5922

    11 ай бұрын

    I know of no factorio youtuber with 1m subs (not counting channels who very rarely have it)

  • @literallyaperson7125

    @literallyaperson7125

    11 ай бұрын

    @@synka5922 what

  • @josh.fornite2082

    @josh.fornite2082

    11 ай бұрын

    @@synka5922 he didnt mean subscribers 🤣

  • @mathekieft5289

    @mathekieft5289

    11 ай бұрын

    he meant submarines (he doesnt have 1m submarines)

  • @oz_jones

    @oz_jones

    7 ай бұрын

    @@mathekieft5289 Skill issue, honestly.

  • @Decessus117
    @Decessus1174 ай бұрын

    No electricity pipe? Literally unplayable

  • @drsupergood8978
    @drsupergood897811 ай бұрын

    The main problem you suffered with biters was you ran into an ammo death spiral. The ammo used to kill a large biter produced more pollution than the large biter costs to spawn. This is why more and more large biters kept showing up and would have cost you the game if you did not managed to switch to flamethrower turrets in time. You made matters a lot worse by throwing speed modules into the mining drills rather than efficiency modules because that massively raised the pollution cost per ammo rather than lowering it. The overall morale of the story is to not skip flamethrower turrets when dealing with standard biters. 3 of your expansions could have been protected by only using flamethrower turrets saving hundreds of thousands of iron ore. If you wanted to go all in on gun turrets, you really needed the damage upgrades from military science to keep them economical.

  • @ajfish9514

    @ajfish9514

    10 ай бұрын

    And all of this was made vastly worse by the immense amount of time and resources expended (and pollution created) of filling up the pipes with ammo.

  • @rogo7330

    @rogo7330

    10 ай бұрын

    Also, walls + bots + repair packs are MUCH cheaper than ammo, so you can just accept that walls will be damaged and fixed by bots at the time when biters will be fried to the golden crust.

  • @HaibaneKuu

    @HaibaneKuu

    9 ай бұрын

    Interesting, I thought this is only a concern for deathworlds and such. Although considering the buffering problems this might close. I wonder if red ammo would be more efficient, because it was taking ages to kill big biters even with multiple turrets firing at them.

  • @drsupergood8978

    @drsupergood8978

    9 ай бұрын

    @@HaibaneKuu Possibly in such a case. But without military science's physical damage upgrades its efficiency would still be bad, the buffering problem would be a lot worse and the death spiral would have still happened.

  • @lechking941

    @lechking941

    8 ай бұрын

    @@drsupergood8978aka my love of napalm in the morning is a bliss in factorio.

  • @2ez4techies25
    @2ez4techies2511 ай бұрын

    and that's, ladies and gentleman, why you upgrade bullet damage.

  • @grynte1

    @grynte1

    11 ай бұрын

    or just the ammo your using-

  • @alexjackyperson101

    @alexjackyperson101

    11 ай бұрын

    @@grynte1 when you get red ammo get right away to use

  • @ingiford175

    @ingiford175

    11 ай бұрын

    Just think how painful it will be to change ammo in all those pipes...

  • @grynte1

    @grynte1

    11 ай бұрын

    @@ingiford175 well better keep your hand off of that flush button!

  • @thecountercounter9127

    @thecountercounter9127

    10 ай бұрын

    Or just... get flamethrowers and completely avoid all of that.

  • @winkbrace
    @winkbrace11 ай бұрын

    I guess it's safe to say yellow ammo doesn't cut it against big biters :)

  • @G-Forces

    @G-Forces

    11 ай бұрын

    No it's definitely not, you have to use red for bigs.

  • @user-lt5vc9ww8g

    @user-lt5vc9ww8g

    11 ай бұрын

    Mine turets with yellow ammo still work, maybe its because damage research.

  • @ajfish9514

    @ajfish9514

    10 ай бұрын

    @@user-lt5vc9ww8g Damage research is, indeed, the secret. As long as you keep up with them, yellow ammo outperforms red ammo due to red ammo being over three times as expensive. Even against behemoths, yellow manages better ammo efficiency if you have every damage research you can get prior to the rocket launch.

  • @he3004

    @he3004

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@ajfish9514I think you can get away with less turrets if you used red ammo though

  • @daanstrik4293

    @daanstrik4293

    8 ай бұрын

    @@he3004Defenitely. For outposts I don’t really care about that though. Since I can just re-use the turrets on a different outpost later (assuming I haven’t switched to lasers by then)

  • @dragnus12
    @dragnus1211 ай бұрын

    "But ive practiced extensively, with YOUR MO..." this shouldnt have made me laugh, but the delivery, good job 😂

  • @MrKKilroy

    @MrKKilroy

    11 ай бұрын

    That joke alone compelled me to sub lmaoo

  • @simeonwalker2847
    @simeonwalker284711 ай бұрын

    "Let's double it and give it to me" - this one got me, not gonna lie

  • @ShennaTheShinyEevee

    @ShennaTheShinyEevee

    11 ай бұрын

    this was the tipping point that made me subscribe

  • @colbypeck429
    @colbypeck4296 ай бұрын

    Oh my god, THANK YOU for taking the time to make good subtitles. I struggle with auditory processing sometimes and subtitles really help. And my day is going just fine

  • @Dream1Verse
    @Dream1Verse11 ай бұрын

    Alternate title: 4-way belts, bi-directional belts

  • @maltardraco9555
    @maltardraco955511 ай бұрын

    Can you beat Factorio if all your items sit in buffers?

  • @cewla3348

    @cewla3348

    11 ай бұрын

    this sounds simple enough, just make the generic full belt buffer and paste it before everything. if anything, your inventory is a buffer for the earlygame when you don't have fast inserters

  • @followingtheroe1952

    @followingtheroe1952

    11 ай бұрын

    Train buffers

  • @vanilla5751

    @vanilla5751

    5 ай бұрын

    based af pfp m8

  • @raizors1331
    @raizors133111 ай бұрын

    Oh god I just beat this a few days ago too. It's very fun mod, all things considered. Dealing with pipes is VERY fun. Most of the times anyway. Edit: I'm surprised you didn't just flamethrower for wall. Those gun turrets and their crazy buffer is a huge pain to work with...

  • @ingiford175

    @ingiford175

    11 ай бұрын

    Was thinking about changing ammo and pipes...

  • @nati0598

    @nati0598

    11 ай бұрын

    Don't the intakes work with logistic wiring? A simple shut down switch when buffer > 2 would do the trick.

  • @augustday9483

    @augustday9483

    7 ай бұрын

    Right? He's already got the pipe infrastructure, switching to flamethrowers would have been so easy.

  • @__8120
    @__812011 ай бұрын

    "I have heavily practiced laying pipe with your mother" I knew that joke was coming and I still wasn't prepared

  • @sgtstens1274

    @sgtstens1274

    4 ай бұрын

    the mom joke is what earned my like + sub because I am a gentleman of discriminating taste.

  • @StudleyDuderight

    @StudleyDuderight

    4 ай бұрын

    "I knew that joke was coming and I still wasn't prepared." Neither was your mother.

  • @humanperson9443

    @humanperson9443

    29 күн бұрын

    Just like your mother

  • @ihavetwofaces
    @ihavetwofaces11 ай бұрын

    "As per usual, I'll remove some spaceship debris, chop down a few trees and set up burner miners... although that one doesn't rhyme." This video is already perfection.

  • @HiImKyle
    @HiImKyle11 ай бұрын

    Reminds me of classic modded Minecraft, watching items flow through pipes.

  • @timestopgaming2674

    @timestopgaming2674

    11 ай бұрын

    Even modern Mekanism and Thermal, pipes exist there too

  • @palmberry5576

    @palmberry5576

    11 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@timestopgaming2674that reminds me of when I tried to use mechanism pipes in atm7:tts and everything started lagging Not fun

  • @pikminman13

    @pikminman13

    10 ай бұрын

    @@palmberry5576 modded minecraft moment. though you have to be careful that you sort things properly. you can't make giant systems out of them, it's not built for that.

  • @palmberry5576

    @palmberry5576

    10 ай бұрын

    @@pikminman13 if you are talking about mechanism, clearly lol But in general, I feel like modded mc pipes should just aim to be as versatile as possible while causing the least amount of lag Because I have an rtx 3070, a good cpu, and a dedicated server running the mc server and I still started lagging from only 20 upgraded ultra smelting factories going through the pipes

  • @pikminman13

    @pikminman13

    10 ай бұрын

    @@palmberry5576 in what world do you need 180 items smelting at once at max speed?

  • @Skellitor301_VA
    @Skellitor301_VA11 ай бұрын

    I can imagine this mod would work very well with Fluid Must Flow and Flow Control. Maybe a mod that adds tiered pipes

  • @raiguard
    @raiguard11 ай бұрын

    I would kill to test pipe visualizer 2.0 on this map!

  • @DocJade

    @DocJade

    11 ай бұрын

    I'll send you the map on discord!

  • @cewla3348

    @cewla3348

    11 ай бұрын

    how does it look?

  • @danthem9210

    @danthem9210

    11 ай бұрын

    @@cewla3348he killed and is now in jail for life, so i don't expect he'll be able to let you know any time soon

  • @braydonfisher9273
    @braydonfisher927311 ай бұрын

    "Their support lets me misuse." "Comedic timing. And that's all for today."

  • @timothymclean
    @timothymclean3 ай бұрын

    27:00: To be fair to Christopher Latham Sholes, whatever key he put next to the 1 would probably cause the same problem. ` isn't inherently linked to the idea of "opening a console command," it's just a key reasonably close to the main keyboard which isn't usually used for anything.

  • @sennyboy421
    @sennyboy42111 ай бұрын

    I always love those intros, this man deserves so much more

  • @palmberry5576
    @palmberry557611 ай бұрын

    Ecliptorio isn’t real, it can’t hurt you Ecliptorio:

  • @Templarfreak
    @Templarfreak3 ай бұрын

    that "fluid loss" is happening because the displayed fluid value gets rounded up even though in actuality it's like 99.9901 or something like that and the remaining amount is just trapped in the pipe fluid system because it cant get properly "sucked up" because its such a small amount of fluid that the game either ignores it or the fluid physics cant push it through the pipe. something along those lines is how the fluid mechanics work in Factorio.

  • @snowts
    @snowts10 ай бұрын

    "...legend says the turrets are still fighting their endless war against the biters, their ammo reserves never dwindling...."

  • @mig4845
    @mig48456 ай бұрын

    love the effort in the subtitles keep up the amazing work and great videos

  • @EzekelFalcon
    @EzekelFalcon11 ай бұрын

    It's like watching a dosh doshington video but with an optimistic narrator

  • @thelevellord574

    @thelevellord574

    11 ай бұрын

    lol

  • @augustday9483
    @augustday94837 ай бұрын

    I was freaking out halfway through this video watching you ignore Flamethrower turrets. Aside from that, it was very enjoyable to watch! Seems like a fun challenge.

  • @KolMan2000
    @KolMan20008 ай бұрын

    Finally, a game about SCP-015. The Pipe Nightmare must always spread

  • @Shalterra
    @Shalterra11 ай бұрын

    Very novel take on changing up the game to make a new challenge without having to...do whatever it is that angels, bobs, and seablock does. Never seen your channel before, but you are pretty nice to listen to and watch :)

  • @skyleite
    @skyleite11 ай бұрын

    Great video! It's really interesting seeing these "Can you beat Factorio if" videos because even without the conditional the answer for me is always just no

  • @deadboyo2773

    @deadboyo2773

    11 ай бұрын

    Mood

  • @b.u.p.demidaforgotten2515
    @b.u.p.demidaforgotten251510 ай бұрын

    I absolutely love the commentary on this, definitely earned the sub

  • @Alastair_Ulven
    @Alastair_Ulven11 ай бұрын

    I feel that researching flamethrowers earlier would have solved so many issues. If only because you could have saved making SO much ammo.

  • @Onebadterran
    @Onebadterran4 ай бұрын

    I don't know why this mod makes factorio so much easier to understand for me but this was very easy to follow

  • @MrSuperbowlingboy
    @MrSuperbowlingboy11 ай бұрын

    Without a doubt some the best, if not the best, Factorio content on KZread right now. Absolutely fantastic.

  • @floydwordsworth9175
    @floydwordsworth917511 ай бұрын

    Over an hour into another KZread video and got a notification for this, and here I am

  • @dapsychokilla
    @dapsychokilla11 ай бұрын

    those exhausts and intakes look like the old school boilers

  • @user-dn5lr6lp4k

    @user-dn5lr6lp4k

    11 ай бұрын

    They may be a reskin

  • @nyoomnyoom3592
    @nyoomnyoom359211 ай бұрын

    I had just thought about this exact concept a couple weeks ago, can't wait to watch

  • @petachad8463
    @petachad846311 ай бұрын

    Man this guy is so underrated, but still dished out this lvl of content, insane my guy.

  • @jabruli
    @jabruli11 ай бұрын

    I saw the subtitle easter egg❤ great video, nice way of narrating and good editing pacing! Earned my sub :)

  • @teneksi7803
    @teneksi78033 ай бұрын

    if only there was some kind of turret that was designed to use liquids efficiently

  • @minoxiothethird
    @minoxiothethird11 ай бұрын

    I subscribed before the intro even ended. Wonderful. You are great.

  • @asdalotl
    @asdalotl11 ай бұрын

    Thanks for making the subtitles, I really appreciate them

  • @theendofthestart8179
    @theendofthestart81793 ай бұрын

    despite mostly watching these types of videos in the backgrounds, I still appreciate some good subtitle work, so thanks man!

  • @comradesoupbeans4437
    @comradesoupbeans443711 ай бұрын

    my days going pretty well Doc, thanks for asking

  • @elpepe3923
    @elpepe392311 ай бұрын

    had'nt we talked about gears in the bus my man? Edit:YEEEES, HE ACTUALLY USED PROD 3 MODULES YEEEEES YES, MY KNOWELEDGE HAS BEEN PASSED ON

  • @Fluffy_Eevee
    @Fluffy_Eevee11 ай бұрын

    watching you run around the radar dish so it was always pointing at you made me smile... because i do the same thing haha

  • @OutbackCatgirl
    @OutbackCatgirl11 ай бұрын

    You're like if doshdoshington wasn't terminally sarcastic

  • @wastucar8127
    @wastucar812710 ай бұрын

    My day is going well fellow subtitles enjoyer. Absolutely incredible video, wonderful quality, silly jokes, awesome. Subbed, belled, and fan-boyed.

  • @ChrisBrett2
    @ChrisBrett211 ай бұрын

    Earned another subscriber, really interesting to watch, never lost my interest

  • @shinnyii
    @shinnyii11 ай бұрын

    I thought this was a dosh video from the thumbnail LOL

  • @Thk10188965
    @Thk101889654 ай бұрын

    My day is going better now, thanks for making them!

  • @IsaacAllwood
    @IsaacAllwood11 ай бұрын

    That "your mum" joke had me subbing within a minute of the video's opening. Good job!

  • @RezaQin
    @RezaQin11 ай бұрын

    I adore your videos, Doc. Purely platonic, of course.

  • @grynte1

    @grynte1

    11 ай бұрын

    yeaaah "platonic"-

  • @oz_jones

    @oz_jones

    7 ай бұрын

    Pladocnic? I'll see myself out.

  • @jaymiddleton772
    @jaymiddleton77211 ай бұрын

    That's a really cool mod! It looks like having a low capaciy exhaust would be a good addition

  • @sorak185
    @sorak1855 күн бұрын

    The new fluid system in 2.0 is gonna make this challenge a *lot* more productive.

  • @Hazy_Heart
    @Hazy_Heart3 ай бұрын

    Thank you for adding subtitles to this video. It really helps 🖤

  • @izakomandaz2895
    @izakomandaz289511 ай бұрын

    Wow you're underrated! I hope you get the recognition you deserve!

  • @Azeazezar
    @Azeazezar11 ай бұрын

    It really needs liquid power in addition to items and liquids.

  • @DocJade

    @DocJade

    11 ай бұрын

    Well, I did only use steam power... :) but yeah that would be awesome (and horrible)

  • @Azeazezar

    @Azeazezar

    11 ай бұрын

    @@DocJade And i suppose the liquid coal also counts for something. *Shudders*

  • @lechking941

    @lechking941

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Azeazezarand this reminds me of the history fact that for a time saved germany. COALIQUIFACTION! the process turned coal into oil

  • @maelglorious
    @maelglorious11 ай бұрын

    Recommended mods to use alongside Pneumatic Transport... [Squeak Through] to walk between pipes, [Ammo Loader+] best option to get around the ammo buffer problem, but a bit cheaty if you consider it a challenge the mod makes... unless a patch/option to limit intake/exhaust to 10 items exists.

  • @techman194
    @techman19410 ай бұрын

    love your vids have fun out there

  • @thecat3428
    @thecat342811 ай бұрын

    The subtitles are extremly good

  • @Dosamer

    @Dosamer

    11 ай бұрын

    And take a long time to make :)

  • @PhotriusPyrelus
    @PhotriusPyrelus9 ай бұрын

    Loved the clip from "Who Mourns for Adonais?".

  • @sinterso2.036
    @sinterso2.03611 ай бұрын

    Long form Factorio videos are like ceack for me, great vid Jade

  • @awesometomxd
    @awesometomxd11 ай бұрын

    I cant hear without my subtitles. Thankfully, these are professionally made

  • @CrimsonHexx
    @CrimsonHexx5 ай бұрын

    Idek why I love these videos so much, I don't even play factorio. I barely understand what's happening

  • @coolgismo
    @coolgismo11 ай бұрын

    I'm a simple man, I see a new video, I watch a new video.

  • @_codegreen
    @_codegreen11 ай бұрын

    Awesome video! I saw this mod when it released and was wondering if someone was going to pick it up for a video.

  • @NataNation007
    @NataNation00711 ай бұрын

    The perfect cut on the your mom joke a minute in made me instantly subscribe

  • @jemand771
    @jemand77111 ай бұрын

    doshdoshington would like to know your location

  • @tristianity8529
    @tristianity852910 ай бұрын

    love this type of content, as a subtitle enjoyer, im having a great day! Thanks!

  • @therealgooglecoder
    @therealgooglecoder6 ай бұрын

    As I watched this video I was playing factorio and every time I heard the biter alert sound, I had a mini heart attack

  • @dave7642
    @dave76426 ай бұрын

    Just wanted to thank you for actually producing good subtitles and not just the auto generated ones

  • @elliejohnson2786
    @elliejohnson27866 ай бұрын

    I usually never end up using flamethrowers because I never really need them, but this run is the PERFECT example of where flamethrowers are king.

  • @gabrielbr1459
    @gabrielbr145911 ай бұрын

    I love factorio content creators

  • @thecosmicapple1962
    @thecosmicapple196210 ай бұрын

    my day is genuinely much better thanks to you ❤

  • @JTCF
    @JTCF4 ай бұрын

    I don't know what's worse: using exclusively pipes instead of belts and inserters or building that wall blueprint by hand.

  • @coobk373
    @coobk37311 ай бұрын

    that ending gag killed me

  • @caps_lock
    @caps_lock11 ай бұрын

    your base has such a.... beautiful shape

  • @SpiritofrockinKids
    @SpiritofrockinKids10 ай бұрын

    Thank you for having subtitles in your videos

  • @comedycorpse9768
    @comedycorpse976810 ай бұрын

    this was reall cool to watch. its such a uniq challenge !

  • @John-oo9gx
    @John-oo9gx11 ай бұрын

    Very Good vid my man :D

  • @marcu9038
    @marcu903811 ай бұрын

    subbed your content quality is like a channel with 1 million subscribers

  • @calyndrox4969
    @calyndrox496911 ай бұрын

    And now combine it with the Fluid must flow Mod for more and bigger pipes 😅

  • @PA_Sword
    @PA_Sword3 ай бұрын

    "We're gonna need a lot of pipe. Luckily, I'm an expert at laying pipe, just ask your mother" You've earned the sub sir

  • @Christian-jc6gf
    @Christian-jc6gf11 ай бұрын

    The algorithm has spoken, it's time for a new factorio youtuber. Trupen and Doshdoshington better watch their backs

  • @minerturtle45
    @minerturtle4510 ай бұрын

    out of everything that's become a fluid, liquid solid fuel might be the funniest to me and i don't know why

  • @gawain0
    @gawain010 ай бұрын

    So, to limit science production, you could've put down a pump, then a tank (just after the production), and have the pump read the tank contents. Then, have the pump stop if the tank had like, 1k fluid in it or something. The contents would still be multiplied by the amount of pipes in that network, but it would've still been better than letting production go until the pipes fully, completely backed up. And while this would have been quite annoying to set up, you could've done the same thing to limit ammo intake: Put a tank just before the exhausts, then a pump just before that. Connect them with a green/red wire, and stop the ammo flow when it was full enough. Of course you made the wall design before you had these thing, but I'm pretty sure the iron draw would've lower doing that than letting 200 ammo back up everywhere.

  • @atomspalter2090
    @atomspalter20906 ай бұрын

    I'm a bit sad the chests aren't fluid containers. That would have been quite funny looking

  • @50_foot_punch99
    @50_foot_punch9911 ай бұрын

    This is a mod companion drones feels necessary for

  • @sachiko6530
    @sachiko653010 ай бұрын

    and thank you for the subtitles doc, they help me listen to the video and understand what youre saying :)

  • @socksygen
    @socksygen10 ай бұрын

    Amazing video

  • @TheGeneReyva
    @TheGeneReyva7 ай бұрын

    This is true nightmare piping.

  • @MarcoPivetta
    @MarcoPivetta5 ай бұрын

    "reminiscent of scoliosis" I'm crying 🤣

  • @Elislavkat
    @Elislavkat4 ай бұрын

    thank u for good subtitles

  • @codym3415
    @codym341511 ай бұрын

    Never stop

  • @cassandradawn780
    @cassandradawn7806 ай бұрын

    thank you for the subtitles

  • @4llg00dth1ng5
    @4llg00dth1ng510 ай бұрын

    my day is going good, thanks for asking

  • @imaplaygames633
    @imaplaygames63311 ай бұрын

    The gears on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round : )

  • @kangarumpy
    @kangarumpy2 ай бұрын

    The gears on the bus go round an- wait.

  • @jabz1582
    @jabz158211 ай бұрын

    I would argue that Factorio is actually easier if everything is piped

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